Shahin wrote: This decision reminds me of the Hagler - Leonard fight from the late 80's which went 15 rounds. Everyone thought Marvin Hagler won the fight but the decision went to Sugar Ray Leonard unjustly.

JamesHenderson wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: Final results from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas:

-147 lbs.- Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley (CA;29-0) def. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao (PHI; 54-2-2) by split decision (115-113;115-113,113-115)
-122 lbs.- Jorge Arce (MEX; 60-6-2) and Jesus Rojas (18-1-1) fought to a technical Draw after a foul in the 2nd round.
-147 lbs.- Randall Bailey (FL; 43-7) def. Mike Jones (PA; 26-1) by TKO in the 11th
-122 lbs.- Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB; 10-0) def. Teon Kennedy (PA; 17-2-2) by TKO in the 5th

I was at a concert with my wife and some friends so I didn't see the fight card. I know the aggregate Compubox stats are out and show an edge for Pacquiao. I want to see the round by round Compubox stats. Those should be available very soon. When they are I'll post them unless someone else beats me to it.

Pac outlanded and outpunched Bradley in 10 of 12 rounds.

Shahin wrote: This decision reminds me of the Hagler - Leonard fight from the late 80's which went 15 rounds. Everyone thought Marvin Hagler won the fight but the decision went to Sugar Ray Leonard unjustly.

slickrick00 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: Final results from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas:

-147 lbs.- Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley (CA;29-0) def. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao (PHI; 54-2-2) by split decision (115-113;115-113,113-115)
-122 lbs.- Jorge Arce (MEX; 60-6-2) and Jesus Rojas (18-1-1) fought to a technical Draw after a foul in the 2nd round.
-147 lbs.- Randall Bailey (FL; 43-7) def. Mike Jones (PA; 26-1) by TKO in the 11th
-122 lbs.- Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB; 10-0) def. Teon Kennedy (PA; 17-2-2) by TKO in the 5th

I was at a concert with my wife and some friends so I didn't see the fight card. I know the aggregate Compubox stats are out and show an edge for Pacquiao. I want to see the round by round Compubox stats. Those should be available very soon. When they are I'll post them unless someone else beats me to it.

Pac outlanded and outpunched Bradley in 10 of 12 rounds.

Yeah, that's pretty much inexcusable judging then. Sad night for boxing.

bobby95 wrote:

Shahin wrote: This decision reminds me of the Hagler - Leonard fight from the late 80's which went 15 rounds. Everyone thought Marvin Hagler won the fight but the decision went to Sugar Ray Leonard unjustly.

Not going to beat this dead horse again, but your memory is clouded, friend.  Not everyone thought Hagler won the fight, including Compubox, who scored the fight for Leonard, and rightfully so.

bobby95 wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

bobby95 wrote:

wolfpack87 wrote:

bobby95 wrote: Let's not pretend MMA has not had it's share of controversial decisions.

Nothing like this.

Maybe not, I don't follow MMA as closely as many on this thread.  But I have seen some head scratchers.

Any time you have humans deciding what is a "score" and what isn't, and you have little to no oversight, and a tremendous amount of money involved, crap like this can, and eventually will happen.

That's why I've always been a proponent of open scoring. I've even written about it before. It will never happen but I would certainly prefer it.

I would be in favor of that, too.  

A couple of other things that need to happen to fix the sport are:

1) Unify the "Associations".  You've got the WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO. There could be a champion in each weight class for each association and they're not required to fight each other.  That's insane.  Unify the associations, and that solves a lot of problems like having a clear-cut champion, fighter inactivity, and fighter mismanagement.

2) Pay-per-view.  HBO and Showtime and the promoters may be making money hand over fist on pay-per-view, but to me it's killing boxing.  How do you lure in new fans when they are forced to shell out $50 or $60 or more to even watch?

slickrick00 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: Final results from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas:

-147 lbs.- Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley (CA;29-0) def. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao (PHI; 54-2-2) by split decision (115-113;115-113,113-115)
-122 lbs.- Jorge Arce (MEX; 60-6-2) and Jesus Rojas (18-1-1) fought to a technical Draw after a foul in the 2nd round.
-147 lbs.- Randall Bailey (FL; 43-7) def. Mike Jones (PA; 26-1) by TKO in the 11th
-122 lbs.- Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB; 10-0) def. Teon Kennedy (PA; 17-2-2) by TKO in the 5th

I was at a concert with my wife and some friends so I didn't see the fight card. I know the aggregate Compubox stats are out and show an edge for Pacquiao. I want to see the round by round Compubox stats. Those should be available very soon. When they are I'll post them unless someone else beats me to it.

Pac outlanded and outpunched Bradley in 10 of 12 rounds.

Yeah, that's pretty much inexcusable judging then. Sad night for boxing.

KChill wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: Final results from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas:

-147 lbs.- Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley (CA;29-0) def. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao (PHI; 54-2-2) by split decision (115-113;115-113,113-115)
-122 lbs.- Jorge Arce (MEX; 60-6-2) and Jesus Rojas (18-1-1) fought to a technical Draw after a foul in the 2nd round.
-147 lbs.- Randall Bailey (FL; 43-7) def. Mike Jones (PA; 26-1) by TKO in the 11th
-122 lbs.- Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB; 10-0) def. Teon Kennedy (PA; 17-2-2) by TKO in the 5th

I was at a concert with my wife and some friends so I didn't see the fight card. I know the aggregate Compubox stats are out and show an edge for Pacquiao. I want to see the round by round Compubox stats. Those should be available very soon. When they are I'll post them unless someone else beats me to it.

Pac outlanded and outpunched Bradley in 10 of 12 rounds.

Yeah, that's pretty much inexcusable judging then. Sad night for boxing.

Bradley landed the most damaging blows of the fight, Poochiao was busier.  Who cares, maybe his power pellets ran out.  Serves Arum right for ducking Money May.

slickrick00 wrote: Interesting note regarding last week's Tarver vs. Kayode fight on SHOWTIME: They apparently only had 1,200 paid folks in attendance for the event.

BlackRazor wrote:

bobby95 wrote:

Shahin wrote: This decision reminds me of the Hagler - Leonard fight from the late 80's which went 15 rounds. Everyone thought Marvin Hagler won the fight but the decision went to Sugar Ray Leonard unjustly.

Not going to beat this dead horse again, but your memory is clouded, friend.  Not everyone thought Hagler won the fight, including Compubox, who scored the fight for Leonard, and rightfully so.

right bobby, that decision was nothing close to this one & it was only a 12 round fight. Hagler wanted 15 but Ray wanted 12.

KChill wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: Final results from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas:

-147 lbs.- Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley (CA;29-0) def. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao (PHI; 54-2-2) by split decision (115-113;115-113,113-115)
-122 lbs.- Jorge Arce (MEX; 60-6-2) and Jesus Rojas (18-1-1) fought to a technical Draw after a foul in the 2nd round.
-147 lbs.- Randall Bailey (FL; 43-7) def. Mike Jones (PA; 26-1) by TKO in the 11th
-122 lbs.- Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB; 10-0) def. Teon Kennedy (PA; 17-2-2) by TKO in the 5th

I was at a concert with my wife and some friends so I didn't see the fight card. I know the aggregate Compubox stats are out and show an edge for Pacquiao. I want to see the round by round Compubox stats. Those should be available very soon. When they are I'll post them unless someone else beats me to it.

Pac outlanded and outpunched Bradley in 10 of 12 rounds.

Yeah, that's pretty much inexcusable judging then. Sad night for boxing.

Bradley landed the most damaging blows of the fight, Poochiao was busier.  Who cares, maybe his power pellets ran out.  Serves Arum right for ducking Money May.

slickrick00 wrote:

OldEastHeel wrote: I'll be surprised if Bradley makes it six rounds.  To paraphrase Clubber Lang, he is predictable and stupid and comes straight ahead.  That might be a problem for Manny if Bradley had any power, but he doesn't.

slickrick00 wrote: Bradley looks like he trained like a fiend for this fight. Should be a good one.

It was just a hunch.

OldEastHeel wrote: I had this argument with BlackRazor several months ago, with me insisting Hagler won and him insisting Leonard won.  He urged me to go back and watch the fight, which I hadn't done for a long time.  After watching it, I agreed with him.  Hagler certainly beat Leonard up and dominated the rounds he won more than Ray dominated his rounds, but all the rounds were 10-9 rounds and Ray simply won more of them.  If Hagler hadn't switched stances and fought Leonard's fight for the first four rounds (giving most of those rounds away unnecessarily), he would have won.

BlackRazor wrote:

bobby95 wrote:

Shahin wrote: This decision reminds me of the Hagler - Leonard fight from the late 80's which went 15 rounds. Everyone thought Marvin Hagler won the fight but the decision went to Sugar Ray Leonard unjustly.

Not going to beat this dead horse again, but your memory is clouded, friend.  Not everyone thought Hagler won the fight, including Compubox, who scored the fight for Leonard, and rightfully so.

right bobby, that decision was nothing close to this one & it was only a 12 round fight. Hagler wanted 15 but Ray wanted 12.

bobby95 wrote:

KChill wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: Final results from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas:

-147 lbs.- Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley (CA;29-0) def. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao (PHI; 54-2-2) by split decision (115-113;115-113,113-115)
-122 lbs.- Jorge Arce (MEX; 60-6-2) and Jesus Rojas (18-1-1) fought to a technical Draw after a foul in the 2nd round.
-147 lbs.- Randall Bailey (FL; 43-7) def. Mike Jones (PA; 26-1) by TKO in the 11th
-122 lbs.- Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB; 10-0) def. Teon Kennedy (PA; 17-2-2) by TKO in the 5th

I was at a concert with my wife and some friends so I didn't see the fight card. I know the aggregate Compubox stats are out and show an edge for Pacquiao. I want to see the round by round Compubox stats. Those should be available very soon. When they are I'll post them unless someone else beats me to it.

Pac outlanded and outpunched Bradley in 10 of 12 rounds.

Yeah, that's pretty much inexcusable judging then. Sad night for boxing.

Bradley landed the most damaging blows of the fight, Poochiao was busier.  Who cares, maybe his power pellets ran out.  Serves Arum right for ducking Money May.

I was going to ask you what channel you were watching, but then I read your last sentence and things became clear.

KChill wrote:

bobby95 wrote:

KChill wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: Final results from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas:

-147 lbs.- Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley (CA;29-0) def. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao (PHI; 54-2-2) by split decision (115-113;115-113,113-115)
-122 lbs.- Jorge Arce (MEX; 60-6-2) and Jesus Rojas (18-1-1) fought to a technical Draw after a foul in the 2nd round.
-147 lbs.- Randall Bailey (FL; 43-7) def. Mike Jones (PA; 26-1) by TKO in the 11th
-122 lbs.- Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB; 10-0) def. Teon Kennedy (PA; 17-2-2) by TKO in the 5th

I was at a concert with my wife and some friends so I didn't see the fight card. I know the aggregate Compubox stats are out and show an edge for Pacquiao. I want to see the round by round Compubox stats. Those should be available very soon. When they are I'll post them unless someone else beats me to it.

Pac outlanded and outpunched Bradley in 10 of 12 rounds.

Yeah, that's pretty much inexcusable judging then. Sad night for boxing.

Bradley landed the most damaging blows of the fight, Poochiao was busier.  Who cares, maybe his power pellets ran out.  Serves Arum right for ducking Money May.

I was going to ask you what channel you were watching, but then I read your last sentence and things became clear.

Doesn't matter what channel I was watching braintrust, the only way you can go from struggling against gnatweights like Morales to beating the crappa outta welterweights like DeLaHoya and Moseley is via a replenishable supply of power pellets.  Money May wouldve wiped the mat with Poochiao.

OldEastHeel wrote: I had this argument with BlackRazor several months ago, with me insisting Hagler won and him insisting Leonard won.  He urged me to go back and watch the fight, which I hadn't done for a long time.  After watching it, I agreed with him.  Hagler certainly beat Leonard up and dominated the rounds he won more than Ray dominated his rounds, but all the rounds were 10-9 rounds and Ray simply won more of them.  If Hagler hadn't switched stances and fought Leonard's fight for the first four rounds (giving most of those rounds away unnecessarily), he would have won.

BlackRazor wrote:

bobby95 wrote:

Shahin wrote: This decision reminds me of the Hagler - Leonard fight from the late 80's which went 15 rounds. Everyone thought Marvin Hagler won the fight but the decision went to Sugar Ray Leonard unjustly.

Not going to beat this dead horse again, but your memory is clouded, friend.  Not everyone thought Hagler won the fight, including Compubox, who scored the fight for Leonard, and rightfully so.

right bobby, that decision was nothing close to this one & it was only a 12 round fight. Hagler wanted 15 but Ray wanted 12.

bobby95 wrote:

OldEastHeel wrote: I had this argument with BlackRazor several months ago, with me insisting Hagler won and him insisting Leonard won.  He urged me to go back and watch the fight, which I hadn't done for a long time.  After watching it, I agreed with him.  Hagler certainly beat Leonard up and dominated the rounds he won more than Ray dominated his rounds, but all the rounds were 10-9 rounds and Ray simply won more of them.  If Hagler hadn't switched stances and fought Leonard's fight for the first four rounds (giving most of those rounds away unnecessarily), he would have won.

BlackRazor wrote:

bobby95 wrote:

Shahin wrote: This decision reminds me of the Hagler - Leonard fight from the late 80's which went 15 rounds. Everyone thought Marvin Hagler won the fight but the decision went to Sugar Ray Leonard unjustly.

Not going to beat this dead horse again, but your memory is clouded, friend.  Not everyone thought Hagler won the fight, including Compubox, who scored the fight for Leonard, and rightfully so.

right bobby, that decision was nothing close to this one & it was only a 12 round fight. Hagler wanted 15 but Ray wanted 12.

I think I posted this in that thread but it bears repeating.  Leonard went a long way to winning that fight before he ever set foot in the ring.  

Leonard was ringside for the fight between Hagler and John "The Beast" Mugabi, and saw that Hagler all of a sudden wasn't the same fighter, so Leonard knew the time was right.  Couple that with Hagler agreeing to Leonard's terms of 10 0z gloves to minimize Hagler's power, a larger ring to allow Leonard more room to not get trapped in the corner, and a 12 round fight instead of 15 rounds, mainly because Leonard had fought only once in 5 years and his stamina was going to be suspect, and hindsight shows us that Hagler didn't do himself any favors.

Then in the build up before the fight, Leonard got into Hagler's mind.  Leonard was telling everybody who would listen that he was going to slug it out with Hagler, and knock him out.  Hagler knew Leonard was cagey, and I think he got a little too cute with the plan to come out fighting orthodox in the first four rounds, and he ended up basically giving those rounds to Leonard.

Bryanth1a wrote: Sugar Ray Leonard is my all-time favorite boxer. He was a pretty boy but I can't name an athlete from any sport who has or had more heart than he. He was not a physical specimen like Hagler or Hearns nor a crazed warrior like Duran but he never ran away from any of them.

bobby95 wrote:

KChill wrote:

bobby95 wrote:

KChill wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: Final results from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas:

-147 lbs.- Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley (CA;29-0) def. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao (PHI; 54-2-2) by split decision (115-113;115-113,113-115)
-122 lbs.- Jorge Arce (MEX; 60-6-2) and Jesus Rojas (18-1-1) fought to a technical Draw after a foul in the 2nd round.
-147 lbs.- Randall Bailey (FL; 43-7) def. Mike Jones (PA; 26-1) by TKO in the 11th
-122 lbs.- Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB; 10-0) def. Teon Kennedy (PA; 17-2-2) by TKO in the 5th

I was at a concert with my wife and some friends so I didn't see the fight card. I know the aggregate Compubox stats are out and show an edge for Pacquiao. I want to see the round by round Compubox stats. Those should be available very soon. When they are I'll post them unless someone else beats me to it.

Pac outlanded and outpunched Bradley in 10 of 12 rounds.

Yeah, that's pretty much inexcusable judging then. Sad night for boxing.

Bradley landed the most damaging blows of the fight, Poochiao was busier.  Who cares, maybe his power pellets ran out.  Serves Arum right for ducking Money May.

I was going to ask you what channel you were watching, but then I read your last sentence and things became clear.

Doesn't matter what channel I was watching braintrust, the only way you can go from struggling against gnatweights like Morales to beating the crappa outta welterweights like DeLaHoya and Moseley is via a replenishable supply of power pellets.  Money May wouldve wiped the mat with Poochiao.

Well, the only thing he's wiping now is the floor in his jail cell, Chief.

BlackRazor wrote:

Bryanth1a wrote: Sugar Ray Leonard is my all-time favorite boxer. He was a pretty boy but I can't name an athlete from any sport who has or had more heart than he. He was not a physical specimen like Hagler or Hearns nor a crazed warrior like Duran but he never ran away from any of them.

when Ray agreed to fight Hearns the 1st time, Hearns was 32-0 with 30 KO's & 6-2 @ 147 lbs. His reach was/is greater than some heavyweights.

For that fight alone I found it funny that some people still questioned how brave Ray was. How many people would do all in their power to avoid fighting a monster like Hearns?

BlackRazor wrote:

bobby95 wrote:

OldEastHeel wrote: I had this argument with BlackRazor several months ago, with me insisting Hagler won and him insisting Leonard won.  He urged me to go back and watch the fight, which I hadn't done for a long time.  After watching it, I agreed with him.  Hagler certainly beat Leonard up and dominated the rounds he won more than Ray dominated his rounds, but all the rounds were 10-9 rounds and Ray simply won more of them.  If Hagler hadn't switched stances and fought Leonard's fight for the first four rounds (giving most of those rounds away unnecessarily), he would have won.

BlackRazor wrote:

bobby95 wrote:

Shahin wrote: This decision reminds me of the Hagler - Leonard fight from the late 80's which went 15 rounds. Everyone thought Marvin Hagler won the fight but the decision went to Sugar Ray Leonard unjustly.

Not going to beat this dead horse again, but your memory is clouded, friend.  Not everyone thought Hagler won the fight, including Compubox, who scored the fight for Leonard, and rightfully so.

right bobby, that decision was nothing close to this one & it was only a 12 round fight. Hagler wanted 15 but Ray wanted 12.

I think I posted this in that thread but it bears repeating.  Leonard went a long way to winning that fight before he ever set foot in the ring.  

Leonard was ringside for the fight between Hagler and John "The Beast" Mugabi, and saw that Hagler all of a sudden wasn't the same fighter, so Leonard knew the time was right.  Couple that with Hagler agreeing to Leonard's terms of 10 0z gloves to minimize Hagler's power, a larger ring to allow Leonard more room to not get trapped in the corner, and a 12 round fight instead of 15 rounds, mainly because Leonard had fought only once in 5 years and his stamina was going to be suspect, and hindsight shows us that Hagler didn't do himself any favors.

Then in the build up before the fight, Leonard got into Hagler's mind.  Leonard was telling everybody who would listen that he was going to slug it out with Hagler, and knock him out.  Hagler knew Leonard was cagey, and I think he got a little too cute with the plan to come out fighting orthodox in the first four rounds, and he ended up basically giving those rounds to Leonard.

good points bobby, Ray realized Hagler was getting older/slower & he was always beating sluggers, guys who came straight @ him. Mugabi was a pure banger & Hearns could have boxed but decided to slug it out in 3 great rounds. Duran was too old & slow to effectively out box Hagler. So aside from Ray, who did Hagler fight in his later years who was close to the great boxer Ray was?

KChill wrote:

bobby95 wrote:

KChill wrote:

bobby95 wrote:

KChill wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

JamesHenderson wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: Final results from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas:

-147 lbs.- Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley (CA;29-0) def. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao (PHI; 54-2-2) by split decision (115-113;115-113,113-115)
-122 lbs.- Jorge Arce (MEX; 60-6-2) and Jesus Rojas (18-1-1) fought to a technical Draw after a foul in the 2nd round.
-147 lbs.- Randall Bailey (FL; 43-7) def. Mike Jones (PA; 26-1) by TKO in the 11th
-122 lbs.- Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB; 10-0) def. Teon Kennedy (PA; 17-2-2) by TKO in the 5th

I was at a concert with my wife and some friends so I didn't see the fight card. I know the aggregate Compubox stats are out and show an edge for Pacquiao. I want to see the round by round Compubox stats. Those should be available very soon. When they are I'll post them unless someone else beats me to it.

Pac outlanded and outpunched Bradley in 10 of 12 rounds.

Yeah, that's pretty much inexcusable judging then. Sad night for boxing.

Bradley landed the most damaging blows of the fight, Poochiao was busier.  Who cares, maybe his power pellets ran out.  Serves Arum right for ducking Money May.

I was going to ask you what channel you were watching, but then I read your last sentence and things became clear.

Doesn't matter what channel I was watching braintrust, the only way you can go from struggling against gnatweights like Morales to beating the crappa outta welterweights like DeLaHoya and Moseley is via a replenishable supply of power pellets.  Money May wouldve wiped the mat with Poochiao.

Well, the only thing he's wiping now is the floor in his jail cell, Chief.

Well when he's released he could fight Urkel and get bigger numbers than Pacquiao ever will again after that Arum-fixed fiasco.  Trying to engineer a rematch for a few extra bucks, LMAO

BlackRazor wrote:

blwall1416 wrote: My buddy Scott Sigmon (22-3) out of Virginia fights former world champ Kelly Pavlik (38-2) in Las Vegas this Friday on ESPN's Friday Night Fights. It's a huge step up in the caliber of opponents for Sigmon.

I saw the pic of you friend Scott standing next to Kelly - Pavlik's a big man! Looking @ them, you'd never guess Kelly was the middleweight moving up to super middle.

blwall1416 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

blwall1416 wrote: My buddy Scott Sigmon (22-3) out of Virginia fights former world champ Kelly Pavlik (38-2) in Las Vegas this Friday on ESPN's Friday Night Fights. It's a huge step up in the caliber of opponents for Sigmon.

I saw the pic of you friend Scott standing next to Kelly - Pavlik's a big man! Looking @ them, you'd never guess Kelly was the middleweight moving up to super middle.

Yeah, I wish Scott would have been able to do more offensively. He did show that he has a helluva chin, though. He used social media to get what he wanted...a fight against a big name opponent. He even told Pavlik all that stuff wasn't personal, just business. Maybe this will open up some opportunities for better fights for Scott in the future.

wow


"The two veteran judges at the center of a controversial split decision for Timothy Bradley over Manny Pacquiao in a welterweight title bout Saturday night have defended themselves, telling the Las Vegas Review-Journal they stand by their work.

"I thought Bradley gave Pacquiao a boxing lesson," Duane Ford said, according to the newspaper. "I thought a lot of the rounds were close. Pacquiao missed a lot of punches and I thought he was throwing wildly.""

http://espn.go.com/boxing/stor...pacquiao-lesson

FeloniousQ wrote:

wow


"The two veteran judges at the center of a controversial split decision for Timothy Bradley over Manny Pacquiao in a welterweight title bout Saturday night have defended themselves, telling the Las Vegas Review-Journal they stand by their work.

"I thought Bradley gave Pacquiao a boxing lesson," Duane Ford said, according to the newspaper. "I thought a lot of the rounds were close. Pacquiao missed a lot of punches and I thought he was throwing wildly.""

http://espn.go.com/boxing/stor...pacquiao-lesson

BlackRazor wrote:

FeloniousQ wrote:

wow


"The two veteran judges at the center of a controversial split decision for Timothy Bradley over Manny Pacquiao in a welterweight title bout Saturday night have defended themselves, telling the Las Vegas Review-Journal they stand by their work.

"I thought Bradley gave Pacquiao a boxing lesson," Duane Ford said, according to the newspaper. "I thought a lot of the rounds were close. Pacquiao missed a lot of punches and I thought he was throwing wildly.""

http://espn.go.com/boxing/stor...pacquiao-lesson

What's funny about judge CJ Ross is before the fight, Harold Lederman was reviewing the judges & said he was surprised she got the call for this fight. He said she's often swayed by the crowd & actually called her a mediocre judge.

BlackRazor wrote: ^ yes he did, to be honest I can't recall ever hearing of CJ Ross before & if I didn't I didn't know CJ was a woman until I saw her pic.

I like Harold's daughter (Julie), every fight I can recall her judging seemed to match up with my view & with most of the fans.

DRDS93 wrote: This fight was nothing like leonard/hagler.  I still think Hagler won that fight , but there were a close rounds thatcould go either way.  If someone scored the fight for Sugar Ray, I can understand it.  This was a joke.

OldEastHeel wrote: Yeah, Julie Lederman is a better judge than her old man, IMO.  I don't think I've ever been shocked by one of her scores.

BlackRazor wrote: ^ yes he did, to be honest I can't recall ever hearing of CJ Ross before & if I didn't I didn't know CJ was a woman until I saw her pic.

I like Harold's daughter (Julie), every fight I can recall her judging seemed to match up with my view & with most of the fans.

OldEastHeel wrote: Yeah, the Leonard/Hagler fight was similar to the first Hopkins/Taylor fight.  It really depends on how you score a fight.  In both those fights, the majority winner was more active and, in my opinion, won more rounds (albeit while not doing any damage to his opponent), whereas the loser clearly won about five rounds, but really put a beating on the winner during those rounds.  I think the first round of Pacquiao/Bradley was difficult to score, as were the last two or three.  But anyone who thinks Bradley won fight is living in fantasyland.

DRDS93 wrote: This fight was nothing like leonard/hagler.  I still think Hagler won that fight , but there were a close rounds thatcould go either way.  If someone scored the fight for Sugar Ray, I can understand it.  This was a joke.

ncsuTRIcoach wrote: just a question about judging. I read that one of the espn guys had it 119-109 and AP I think had it 117-111.

So how do they get those numbers? Does a round winner get 10 points and other gets 9?

BlackRazor wrote:

FeloniousQ wrote:

wow


"The two veteran judges at the center of a controversial split decision for Timothy Bradley over Manny Pacquiao in a welterweight title bout Saturday night have defended themselves, telling the Las Vegas Review-Journal they stand by their work.

"I thought Bradley gave Pacquiao a boxing lesson," Duane Ford said, according to the newspaper. "I thought a lot of the rounds were close. Pacquiao missed a lot of punches and I thought he was throwing wildly.""

http://espn.go.com/boxing/stor...pacquiao-lesson

What's funny about judge CJ Ross is before the fight, Harold Lederman was reviewing the judges & said he was surprised she got the call for this fight. He said she's often swayed by the crowd & actually called her a mediocre judge.