wolfpack87 wrote: So who's next for Velasquez? Do they do JDS/Valesquez 3? Winner of Big Foot Silva and Overeeem? (which is coming in February I do believe). Or do they do somethin dumb and give Roy Nelson a title shot or somethin like that?

slickrick00 wrote: If Overeem wins I'd guess it will be him. I'm picking him but Silva is someone no one should sleep on, though.

wolfpack87 wrote: So who's next for Velasquez? Do they do JDS/Valesquez 3? Winner of Big Foot Silva and Overeeem? (which is coming in February I do believe). Or do they do somethin dumb and give Roy Nelson a title shot or somethin like that?

slickrick00 wrote: Results from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada last night:

- 170 lbs.- Cain Velasquez (California; 11-1) def. Junior "Cigano" Dos Santos (Brazil; 15-2) by Unanimous Decision
- 155 lbs.- Jim Miller (New Jersey; 22-4) def. Joe Lauzon (Massachusetts; 22-8) by Unanimous Decision
- 185 lbs.- Costa Phillipou (Cyprus; 12-2) def. Tim "The Barbarian" Boetsch (Pennsylvania; 16-5) by TKO in the 3rd
- 185 lbs.- Yushin "Thunder" Okami (Japan; 29-7) def. Alan Belcher (Arkansas; 17-6) by Unanimous Decision
- 185 lbs.- Derek Brunson (North Carolina; 10-2) def. Chris Leben (Oregon; 22-9) by Unanimous Decision

Prelims free on FX
- 155 lbs.- Jaime Varner (Arizona; 21-7-1) def. Melvin "The Young Assassain" Guillard (Louisiana; 47-13-3) by Split Decision
- 135 lbs.- Eddie Wineland (Illinois; 20-8-1) def. Brad "One Punch" Pickett (U.K.; 23-7) by Split Decision
- 155 lbs.- Myles Jury (Michigan; 11-0) def. Michael Johnson (Missouri; 13-7) by Unanimous Decision
- 125 lbs.- John Moraga (Arizona; 12-1) def. Chris "Kamikaze" Cariaso (California; 14-4) by Submission in the 3rd
- HWT - Todd Duffee (Indiana; 8-2) def. Phil DeFries (U.K.; 9-2) by TKO in the 1st
- 135 lbs.- Erik Perez (Mexico; 13-4) def. Byron Bloodworth (North Carolina; 6-3) by TKO in the 1st
- 145 lbs.- Max Holloway (Hawaii; 7-1) def. Leonard Garcia (Texas; 15-10) by Split Decision

slickrick00 wrote: If Overeem wins I'd guess it will be him. I'm picking him but Silva is someone no one should sleep on, though.

wolfpack87 wrote: So who's next for Velasquez? Do they do JDS/Valesquez 3? Winner of Big Foot Silva and Overeeem? (which is coming in February I do believe). Or do they do somethin dumb and give Roy Nelson a title shot or somethin like that?

wolfpack87 wrote: That's what I'm guessing as well. It will be interesting to see what might happen if he gets beat though. I don't think Velasquez-Silva would be a big seller for Dana to put as a main event. I could be wrong though. I see things playing out with Overeem winning and getting the shot against Velasquez. Barring a questionable decision or something like that, I see the winner of Nogueira-Werdum in June getting the next title shot, barring an injury. At least IMO. 

slickrick00 wrote: If Overeem wins I'd guess it will be him. I'm picking him but Silva is someone no one should sleep on, though.

wolfpack87 wrote: So who's next for Velasquez? Do they do JDS/Valesquez 3? Winner of Big Foot Silva and Overeeem? (which is coming in February I do believe). Or do they do somethin dumb and give Roy Nelson a title shot or somethin like that?

dunlow66 wrote:

wolfpack87 wrote: That's what I'm guessing as well. It will be interesting to see what might happen if he gets beat though. I don't think Velasquez-Silva would be a big seller for Dana to put as a main event. I could be wrong though. I see things playing out with Overeem winning and getting the shot against Velasquez. Barring a questionable decision or something like that, I see the winner of Nogueira-Werdum in June getting the next title shot, barring an injury. At least IMO. 

slickrick00 wrote: If Overeem wins I'd guess it will be him. I'm picking him but Silva is someone no one should sleep on, though.

wolfpack87 wrote: So who's next for Velasquez? Do they do JDS/Valesquez 3? Winner of Big Foot Silva and Overeeem? (which is coming in February I do believe). Or do they do somethin dumb and give Roy Nelson a title shot or somethin like that?

How about Daniel Cormier, isnt he coming to UFC soon. At least it would not be another retread . He beat Antonio Silva in the first round of their fight

wolfpack87 wrote:

dunlow66 wrote:

wolfpack87 wrote: That's what I'm guessing as well. It will be interesting to see what might happen if he gets beat though. I don't think Velasquez-Silva would be a big seller for Dana to put as a main event. I could be wrong though. I see things playing out with Overeem winning and getting the shot against Velasquez. Barring a questionable decision or something like that, I see the winner of Nogueira-Werdum in June getting the next title shot, barring an injury. At least IMO. 

slickrick00 wrote: If Overeem wins I'd guess it will be him. I'm picking him but Silva is someone no one should sleep on, though.

wolfpack87 wrote: So who's next for Velasquez? Do they do JDS/Valesquez 3? Winner of Big Foot Silva and Overeeem? (which is coming in February I do believe). Or do they do somethin dumb and give Roy Nelson a title shot or somethin like that?

How about Daniel Cormier, isnt he coming to UFC soon. At least it would not be another retread . He beat Antonio Silva in the first round of their fight

I hadn't heard whether if he was moving up from Strikeforce or not. He's fun to watch, I'd like to see that as well. Watch out for Ben Rothwell in the future too. He fights like a completely different guy now, he looks a whole lot more dedicated to fighting, especially after that *** beating of Brendan Schaub earlier this year. He's got a big one coming up against Gabriel Gonzaga in January, and he's a pretty well-liked guy. If he keeps the wins coming, he could enter the title picture as well.

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: I'm told that Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s (Michigan; 43-0) next opponent will be Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero (California; 31-1-1). The bout will likely take place on April 5th in Las Vegas.

really? I heard it was Robert but in May & a PPV with Canelo.

slickrick00 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: I'm told that Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s (Michigan; 43-0) next opponent will be Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero (California; 31-1-1). The bout will likely take place on April 5th in Las Vegas.

really? I heard it was Robert but in May & a PPV with Canelo.

Looks like you're right. Probably going to be a May 4th date. Should be officially announced soon.

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: I'm told that Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s (Michigan; 43-0) next opponent will be Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero (California; 31-1-1). The bout will likely take place on April 5th in Las Vegas.

really? I heard it was Robert but in May & a PPV with Canelo.

Looks like you're right. Probably going to be a May 4th date. Should be officially announced soon.

good, should be a nice PPV card with those 2, I wonder who Canelo fights. Sets up nicely for the winners to meet in Sept.

BlackRazor wrote: ^ OK, so they still want Cotto's name. I think Canelo's too big, strong, young & fast for Miguel.

Zhuge1 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote: ^ OK, so they still want Cotto's name. I think Canelo's too big, strong, young & fast for Miguel.

Probably the case, but I think Miguel can actually put up a decent fight against Canelo.  He's now had 5 fights in a row at 154, going 3-2.  He's dropped the last two, but he was competitive in both against solid boxers.  He's only 32 and he's really only been beaten by a guy with loaded gloves (Margarito) which he avenged and three guys that are pound-for-pound level fighters (Mayweather, PacMan, and the vastly underrated Trout). 

In contrast, Alvarez has only truly fought two guys who spent any time at 154 pounds.  One was Ryan Rhodes (who was past his prime and never that great of a fighter) and the other was Shane Mosley (who is now back fighting at 147 and was way past his prime when he fought Canelo).  Josesito Lopez and Lovemore N'Dou mostly fight at 140 pounds; Kermit Cintron, Alphonso Gomez, and Matthew Hatton were 147 pounders.

BlackRazor wrote:

Zhuge1 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote: ^ OK, so they still want Cotto's name. I think Canelo's too big, strong, young & fast for Miguel.

Probably the case, but I think Miguel can actually put up a decent fight against Canelo.  He's now had 5 fights in a row at 154, going 3-2.  He's dropped the last two, but he was competitive in both against solid boxers.  He's only 32 and he's really only been beaten by a guy with loaded gloves (Margarito) which he avenged and three guys that are pound-for-pound level fighters (Mayweather, PacMan, and the vastly underrated Trout). 

In contrast, Alvarez has only truly fought two guys who spent any time at 154 pounds.  One was Ryan Rhodes (who was past his prime and never that great of a fighter) and the other was Shane Mosley (who is now back fighting at 147 and was way past his prime when he fought Canelo).  Josesito Lopez and Lovemore N'Dou mostly fight at 140 pounds; Kermit Cintron, Alphonso Gomez, and Matthew Hatton were 147 pounders.

Good points but even Trout shook Cotto some, I could honestly see him taking a severe pounding in this fight. Cotto's not that big, a blown up JWW or even small welter. Canelo looks like a MW now or will soon be a solid 160.

Zhuge1 wrote: Pretty slow boxing weekend, but there is one live card tonight on Telefutura at 11pm from Santurce, San Juan, Puerto Rico.

The main event is Gamalier Rodriguez (19-2-3) versus Rafael Tirado (25-8-2) in a super featherweight fight.  Rodriguez is the favorite here as he's from Puerto Rico, but his record is heavily inflated as he's fought a series of fights in the Dominican Republic over the past couple of years against suspect "boxers."  For the most part, he's lost or drew when he's stepped in with a solid fighter.  Tirado isn't going to be a huge step up, but he's far better than guys Rodriguez has been fighting (who had records like 0-24, 2-23, 1-10, etc.).  Tirado has fought mostly in his native Ecuador and at age 39 might not have a lot left.  He's not beaten anyone of note, but has at least went 7 rounds with a former world champ (Simphiwe Nongqayi).

The co-feature is Isander Beauchamp (9-0-1) versus Omar Soto (15-8-1) at 112 pounds.  Beauchamp has not fought anyone of note (journeyman Ernie Marquez is the only guy on his record I've heard of, and that fight went to a draw).  Soto is a former contender at 105 pounds (straw weight) and has been in with some very good fighters at the lower weights.  He struggled as he stepped up to 108, and then fought for a world title at 112 pounds but fell short.  He is currently ranked at #15 by the WBC, #4 by the WBO, #3 by the WBA, and #13 by the IBF at 112.

Results from this card which I finally got around to watching:

Beauchamp defeated Soto by 4th round TKO when Soto quit on his stool at the end of the round. I have no idea why he quit. Beauchamp really didn't land anything since Soto ran most of the fight. The 4th round was his best round and he finished it with a flurry against Beauchamp, but probably didn't do enough to win the round.

Rodriguez wins by 3rd round TKO after Tirado quit on his stool at the end of the round. Much better fight as Tirado actually tried to fight and Rodriguez legitimately hurt him a few times in the fight. Rodriguez called out Ponce de Leon after the fight which is pretty ridiculous given that this was by far his biggest win (over a 39 year old Ecuadorian journeyman no less).

Also shown were two featherweight fights where Kenneth Rivera (now 4-1) defeated Alexis Baez (now 0-4-3) by third round TKO, and Jomar Ortiz (now 2-0) defeated Juan Agosto (now 0-3).

slickrick00 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: I'm told that Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s (Michigan; 43-0) next opponent will be Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero (California; 31-1-1). The bout will likely take place on April 5th in Las Vegas.

really? I heard it was Robert but in May & a PPV with Canelo.

Looks like you're right. Probably going to be a May 4th date. Should be officially announced soon.

good, should be a nice PPV card with those 2, I wonder who Canelo fights. Sets up nicely for the winners to meet in Sept.

Rumor I heard was Alvarez vs. Cotto on the undercard.

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: I'm told that Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s (Michigan; 43-0) next opponent will be Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero (California; 31-1-1). The bout will likely take place on April 5th in Las Vegas.

really? I heard it was Robert but in May & a PPV with Canelo.

Looks like you're right. Probably going to be a May 4th date. Should be officially announced soon.

good, should be a nice PPV card with those 2, I wonder who Canelo fights. Sets up nicely for the winners to meet in Sept.

Rumor I heard was Alvarez vs. Cotto on the undercard.

I just read it may be Canelo vs. Trout now on May 4th. Trout is a tall lefty who can box, a little like Paul Williams who Canelo planned to fight back in Sept.

Zhuge1 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: I'm told that Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s (Michigan; 43-0) next opponent will be Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero (California; 31-1-1). The bout will likely take place on April 5th in Las Vegas.

really? I heard it was Robert but in May & a PPV with Canelo.

Looks like you're right. Probably going to be a May 4th date. Should be officially announced soon.

good, should be a nice PPV card with those 2, I wonder who Canelo fights. Sets up nicely for the winners to meet in Sept.

Rumor I heard was Alvarez vs. Cotto on the undercard.

I just read it may be Canelo vs. Trout now on May 4th. Trout is a tall lefty who can box, a little like Paul Williams who Canelo planned to fight back in Sept.

If that happens, I think Trout beats Alvarez.

slickrick00 wrote: Semmy Schilt pretty much solidified his credentials as the best heavyweight kickboxer of all time this evening in Japan, winning the year-end heavyweight tournament. Results below:

Round 1:
Semmy Schilt (Netherlands; 40-6-1) def. Brice Guidon (France; 28-8) by KO in the 2nd
Rico Verhoeven (Netherlands; 38-6-1) def. Sergei Kharitonov (Russia; 3-3) by Decision (2 Rounds)
Gokhan Saki (Turkey; 78-15) def. Raoumaru (Korea; ?) by KO in the 1st
Anderson Braddock Silva (Brazil; 33-8-1) def. Igor Jurkovic (Croatia; 44-6) by TKO in the 1st
Remy Bonjasky (Suriname; 78-11) def. Filip Verlinden (Belgium; 38-7) by Decision (3 Rounds)
Jamal Ben Saddik (Morocco; 23-1) def. Errol Zimmerman (Suriname; 76-17) by Decision (2 Rounds)
Mourad Bouzidi (Tunisia; 67-20) def. Peter Aerts (Netherlands; 104-31) by Stoppage due to Injury in the 2nd
Daniel Ghita (Romania; 45-7) def. Jhonata Diniz (Brazil; 7-3) by Decision (3 Rounds)

Round 2:
Semmy Schilt (Netherlands; 41-6-1) def. Rico Verhoeven (Netherlands; 38-7-1) by Decision (2 Rounds)
Gokhan Saki (Turkey ; 79-15) def. Anderson Braddock Silva (Brazil; 33-9-1) by TKO in the 1st
Jamal Ben Saddik (Morocco; 24-1) def. Remy Bonjasky (Suriname; 78-12) by Decision (2 Rounds)
Daniel Ghita (Romania; 46-7) def. Mourad Bouzidi (Tunisia; 67-21) by TKO in the 2nd

Round 3:
Semmy Schilt (Netherlands; 42-6-1) def. Gokhan Saki (Turkey (79-16) by Decision (2 Rounds)
Daniel Ghita (Romania; 47-7) def. Jamal Ben Saddik (Morocco; 24-2) by KO in the 1st

Round 4:
Semmy Schilt (Netherlands; 43-6-1) def. Daniel Ghita (Romania; 47-8) by TKO in the 1st

slickrick00 wrote: It's now looking like the opponent for Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (Mexico; 41-0-1) on the May 4th event will be Austin Trout (New Mexico; 26-0). Trout holds a victory over Alvarez's brother, Rigoberto, back in 2011.

OldEastHeel wrote: If so, that'd be a very interesting card.  The Mayweather/Guerrero fight would be a good one and the Alvarez/Trout fight would be almost as good.  I think Alvarez would be taking a huge chance in fighting Trout.  I haven't seen Alvarez in with a really good boxer in his prime.  He can certainly punch, but I'm interested to see how he'd respond against a good defensive fighter like Trout who would probably frustrate the hell out of him.

slickrick00 wrote: It's now looking like the opponent for Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (Mexico; 41-0-1) on the May 4th event will be Austin Trout (New Mexico; 26-0). Trout holds a victory over Alvarez's brother, Rigoberto, back in 2011.

PackCourage wrote: I'd love to see Cain Velasquez vs. "Bones" Jones. Different weight classes, yes, but I believe Jon Jones could easily move up to the Heavyweight division and will do so soon.  Likewise, Velasquez could drop 20 lbs and meet him in the middle.