BlackRazor wrote:

bobby95 wrote: Pacquiao should just walk away from it all, save for a huge payday fight with Mayweather.  He's got politics to keep him busy, anyway.

It's always sad to watch a fighter at the end of his career continue to fight too long (Ali vs Holmes comes to mind).  Very few recognize that they can't do it anymore.  

Pac-man has impressed me many times as a fighter, maybe now he'll show me how smart he is by knowing when enough is enough.

that's out the window now - that fight held so much intrigue because Floyd is unbeaten & Manny looked unbeatable for so long.

It's usually a younger up & coming fighter that shocks/beats a legend, not a guy who's almost 40 that 1 punches a guy like Manny.

Zhuge1 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

bobby95 wrote: Pacquiao should just walk away from it all, save for a huge payday fight with Mayweather.  He's got politics to keep him busy, anyway.

It's always sad to watch a fighter at the end of his career continue to fight too long (Ali vs Holmes comes to mind).  Very few recognize that they can't do it anymore.  

Pac-man has impressed me many times as a fighter, maybe now he'll show me how smart he is by knowing when enough is enough.

that's out the window now - that fight held so much intrigue because Floyd is unbeaten & Manny looked unbeatable for so long.

It's usually a younger up & coming fighter that shocks/beats a legend, not a guy who's almost 40 that 1 punches a guy like Manny.

Agreed -- Pacquiao-Mayweather is just no longer an attractive fight.  Floyd likely cost himself quite a bit of money by never agreeing to a fight that he likely could have won, however, this isn't the first time he's done that (he turned down considerable money to fight Margarito).  It sounds like Floyd will fight Robert Guerrero next, which is not a bad fight -- Guerrero is a young guy that likes to fight and has a very aggressive style.  Mayweather easily has the better skills, but he's struggled before against brawlers that really bring the action (see his first fight with Castillo).

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: Last night's UFC on FOX event scored well in the primetime ratings. Final totals will be out soon but it won the evening in the coveted Adults 18-49 demo.

From Yahoo sports:

During Benson Henderson's win over Nate Diaz at UFC on Fox 5, the Fox broadcast repeatedly cut away to a shot of the empty octagon. Was it a technical difficulty? Did someone on Fox's broadcast truck hit the wrong button?

No. Diaz threw up the middle finger at his opponent, and the network cut away instead of risking a fine from the Federal Communications Commission.
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lol, what a classy guy that Diaz is! A couple years ago a local MMA promoter was on 620 slamming boxing & saying how classy & respectful all MMA fighters were. Wonder if he still believes that?

BlackRazor wrote:

Zhuge1 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

bobby95 wrote: Pacquiao should just walk away from it all, save for a huge payday fight with Mayweather.  He's got politics to keep him busy, anyway.

It's always sad to watch a fighter at the end of his career continue to fight too long (Ali vs Holmes comes to mind).  Very few recognize that they can't do it anymore.  

Pac-man has impressed me many times as a fighter, maybe now he'll show me how smart he is by knowing when enough is enough.

that's out the window now - that fight held so much intrigue because Floyd is unbeaten & Manny looked unbeatable for so long.

It's usually a younger up & coming fighter that shocks/beats a legend, not a guy who's almost 40 that 1 punches a guy like Manny.

Agreed -- Pacquiao-Mayweather is just no longer an attractive fight.  Floyd likely cost himself quite a bit of money by never agreeing to a fight that he likely could have won, however, this isn't the first time he's done that (he turned down considerable money to fight Margarito).  It sounds like Floyd will fight Robert Guerrero next, which is not a bad fight -- Guerrero is a young guy that likes to fight and has a very aggressive style.  Mayweather easily has the better skills, but he's struggled before against brawlers that really bring the action (see his first fight with Castillo).

so true & he always said he could beat Manny but it's a shame he never took the fight so he could have proved it & then told everyone afterwards that he told them so.

And in the process made a boatload of $'s!

More boxing results from the weekend:

From Las Vegas, Friday night (Azteca America card):

Jessie Vargas (21-0) won a unanimous decision against Vito Gasparyan (14-3-5) in an ugly fight. Scores were 98-91, 98-91, 98-90.

Also, Andy Ruiz Jr. (17-0) scored a second round TKO over Elijah McCall (11-2-1), the son of Oliver McCall. Supposedly after the fight, there was barking going on about Oliver McCall stepping up to face Ruiz. Ruiz definitely isn't the most in-shape heavyweight prospect you'll see -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAsPuoItUow

From Anaheim, California, Saturday night (Fox Sports Net card):

In an odd upset, Ricardo Williams Jr. (21-3) won by 5th round TKO over Luis Ramos Jr. (23-1). Ramos was winning the fight on two cards, but suffered huge cuts over both eyes in the fight. TV replay showed both cuts came seemingly from headbutts, but the ref ruled one as a result of a punch. When the ringside doctor waived the fight off, he indicated the cut that was ruled from a punch was the problem (although both cuts looked identical) and so Ramos takes his first loss. I would imagine Golden Boy Promotions will file a protest with California to try to get this changed to a no-contest. Also on the card, Jermall Charlo (10-0) won by 4th round TKO over Andy Ruiz (5-2). Thomas Williams (11-0) won by 5th round TKO over Ricardo Campillo (7-5-1). Rau'shee Warren (2-0), a 3 time US Olympian, defeated David Reyes (2-3-1) by decision. And 2012 Olympian Jamel Herring (1-0) made his pro debut against Jose Valderrama (2-3) and won a decision.

Also, from Copenhagen, Denmark, Mikkel Kessler (46-2) won the WBA super middlweight title from Brian Magee (36-5-1).

BlackRazor wrote: ^ yeah I like that Benson, my brother's a big MMA fan & I was surprised to hear that he was only a slight fav over Diaz.

I will give BJ credit for finishing that fight, he was really hurt in the 2nd. The Canadian who beat him tried to shuffle like Ali or Sugar Ray, he should shelve that move. Maybe it's because he's barefoot but it looked silly & the crowd let him know about it.

bobby95 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

Zhuge1 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

bobby95 wrote: Pacquiao should just walk away from it all, save for a huge payday fight with Mayweather.  He's got politics to keep him busy, anyway.

It's always sad to watch a fighter at the end of his career continue to fight too long (Ali vs Holmes comes to mind).  Very few recognize that they can't do it anymore.  

Pac-man has impressed me many times as a fighter, maybe now he'll show me how smart he is by knowing when enough is enough.

that's out the window now - that fight held so much intrigue because Floyd is unbeaten & Manny looked unbeatable for so long.

It's usually a younger up & coming fighter that shocks/beats a legend, not a guy who's almost 40 that 1 punches a guy like Manny.

Agreed -- Pacquiao-Mayweather is just no longer an attractive fight.  Floyd likely cost himself quite a bit of money by never agreeing to a fight that he likely could have won, however, this isn't the first time he's done that (he turned down considerable money to fight Margarito).  It sounds like Floyd will fight Robert Guerrero next, which is not a bad fight -- Guerrero is a young guy that likes to fight and has a very aggressive style.  Mayweather easily has the better skills, but he's struggled before against brawlers that really bring the action (see his first fight with Castillo).

so true & he always said he could beat Manny but it's a shame he never took the fight so he could have proved it & then told everyone afterwards that he told them so.

And in the process made a boatload of $'s!

I disagree.  Mayweather vs Pacquiao is still an attractive fight, and one a bunch of people will pay to see, it's just not going to be anywhere near the payday it would have been had they fought a year and a half ago.

A lot of people might claim they would have no interest in it, but they wouldn't be able to resist come fight time.  They could fight in January and it still would likely be the biggest fight of the year.

thewolf10 wrote: The only fight that I really want to see is Ward/Mayweather. Andre Ward is the best boxer in the world right now IMO.

Raleighwood007 wrote:

thewolf10 wrote: The only fight that I really want to see is Ward/Mayweather. Andre Ward is the best boxer in the world right now IMO.

Have to call this one out. Dumbest comment ever! Andre Ward can't make weight under 168 lb he has publicly stated this. I don't think Mayweather has any business fighting at 154 lbs let alone at super middle weight. The fight will never happen and it shouldn't

Amir Khan’s comeback fight Saturday at the Los Angeles Sports Arena will be preceded by boxing’s return to network television.

Leo Santa Cruz (22-0-1, 13 knockouts), the 24-year-old International Boxing Federation bantamweight champion, will defend his belt for the third time, against Mexico’s Alberto Guevara (16-0, six KOs), in a bout that CBS will televise.

It’s the first time boxing has been on the network in more than 15 years, when Bernard Hopkins knocked out Glen Johnson in the 11^th round. The CBS card will open with the professional debut of El Monte’s 2012 U.S. Olympian Joseph Diaz Jr.

OldEastHeel wrote: People would still pay to see it, including me.  But the whole parity thing is a joke now.  Pacquiao was never a very smart fighter.  He was a violent storm, an all action brawler, and a very dangerous puncher with a lot of heart.  But Marquez is a brilliant fighter and he set Manny up perfectly for that KO. 

Anyone who thinks it was a lucky punch just doesn't know boxing.  (It was stupid for Manny to give a guy like JMM four chances to figure him out).  As smart as Marquez is, Floyd is a lot smarter, as demonstrated in their fight.  I think Floyd would would have had trouble with a prime Pacquiao (look at the first Castillo fight, which I think Castillo won), but would have figured him out and outpointed him.  But Pacquiao now?  It would be target practice for Floyd.

dunlow66 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote: ^ yeah I like that Benson, my brother's a big MMA fan & I was surprised to hear that he was only a slight fav over Diaz.

I will give BJ credit for finishing that fight, he was really hurt in the 2nd. The Canadian who beat him tried to shuffle like Ali or Sugar Ray, he should shelve that move. Maybe it's because he's barefoot but it looked silly & the crowd let him know about it.

I thought the kid McDonald, who beat Penn was a good fighter, but that crap he did was so disrespectful, I would have kicked him square in the nuts if he had done that to me. BJ has much more self control that I would have had, You just dont disrespect a legend like that.

tmacerus wrote: Just want to give a shout to Abel for repping NC and Durham well with his victory via knees to the body....

dunlow66 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote: ^ yeah I like that Benson, my brother's a big MMA fan & I was surprised to hear that he was only a slight fav over Diaz.

I will give BJ credit for finishing that fight, he was really hurt in the 2nd. The Canadian who beat him tried to shuffle like Ali or Sugar Ray, he should shelve that move. Maybe it's because he's barefoot but it looked silly & the crowd let him know about it.

I thought the kid McDonald, who beat Penn was a good fighter, but that crap he did was so disrespectful, I would have kicked him square in the nuts if he had done that to me. BJ has much more self control that I would have had, You just dont disrespect a legend like that.

OldEastHeel wrote: Is everyone as pumped for the Kelly Pavlik/Andre Ward fight as I am?  I am curious to see how many times a washed up drunk can get punched in the face and keep standing.

slickrick00 wrote: Huge opportunity for the sport of boxing this weekend as boxing will appear live on CBS for the first time in several years. The SHOWTIME event undercard will be aired on CBS from 4:30 PM - 6:00 PM.

From the Sports Arena in Los Angeles, California (top ten world ranked boxers indicated in bold):
- 140 lbs.- Amir Khan (U.K.; 26-3) vs. Carlos Molina (California; 17-0-1)
- HWT - Deontay "The Bronze Bomber" Wilder (Alabama; 25-0) vs. Kelvin Price (Florida; 13-0)
- 147 lbs.- Shawn Porter (Ohio; 20-0) vs. Julio Diaz (Mexico; 40-7)
- 154 lbs.- Alfredo Angulo (Mexico; 21-2) vs. Jorge Silva (Mexio; 19-2-2)

Prelims on CBS network television:
- 118 lbs.- Leo Santa Cruz (Mexico; 22-0-1) vs. Alberto Guevara (Mexico; 16-0)
- 125 lbs.- Joseph Diaz (California; 0-0) vs. Vincente Alfaro (Mexico; 5-2) *Pro debut for U.S. Olympian Diaz

From the Toyota Center in Houston, Texas on HBO (top ten world ranked boxers indicated in bold):
- 122 lbs.- Nonito "The Filipino Flash" Donaire (Philippines; 30-1) vs. Jorge Arce (Mexico; 61-6-2)
- 122 lbs.- Guillermo "The Jackal" Rigondeaux (Cuba; 11-0) vs. Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym (Thailand; 48-2)

BlackRazor wrote: I saw the trainer for Diaz thinks Porter is underestimating how much Julio has left. Hope some of those fights are on Showtime Extreme.

Also read K-9 defends his IBF belt vs. Ishe Smith early next year - I hope the winner is forced to fight a real guy next in the packed 154 lb division.

Zhuge1 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote: I saw the trainer for Diaz thinks Porter is underestimating how much Julio has left. Hope some of those fights are on Showtime Extreme.

Also read K-9 defends his IBF belt vs. Ishe Smith early next year - I hope the winner is forced to fight a real guy next in the packed 154 lb division.

I'm shocked that Smith is getting a title shot.  Talk about a guy that has mismanaged his career and wasted his prime years....

slickrick00 wrote: Not really boxing related, but I heard from a reliable source that Floyd Mayweather bet $3.2 million on the Lakers + 6 last night against New York. They lost by 9. Ouch.

BlackRazor wrote:

slickrick00 wrote: Not really boxing related, but I heard from a reliable source that Floyd Mayweather bet $3.2 million on the Lakers + 6 last night against New York. They lost by 9. Ouch.

good info, it's bets like those that inspire him to get back in the ring - I heard he wants 2 fights in 2013, May & Sept.

BlackRazor wrote: ^ true, Floyd can still fight so he still has that option but Ray Leonard once said part of the reason retiring was so hard for him was missing the thrill & excitement of the big fights. For Floyd, maybe placing huge bets like that holds him over until he fights again.