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- Zhuge1
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Posted: 6/9/2012 12:39 AM
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On the untelevised undercard of the Pavlik fight, Roger "Speedy" Gonzalez, who was a former staple on the old Univision Solo Boxeo Sunday afternoon shows, lost a majority decision in his bid to get back on track in his career against a 15-10 journeyman fighter.
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Posted: 6/9/2012 10:43 PM
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slickrick00 wrote: Predictions for Saturday? I'll take:
- Bradley by very close decision.
- Jones by TKO in the 10th after he settles in.
- Rigondeaux by unanimous decision. This dude may be one of the elite pure boxing talents around, but at his age he's got to get all the title fights in that he can.
- Rojas by decision
I hope I'm wrong in picking so many decisions. Boxing only gets a few heavily watch pay-per-views a year and could really use a card where a few guys close the show. I think Arum is hoping to puch Mike Jones as a future challenger for the winner of the main event. Well, you got the right winner in the Rigondeaux fight, but Kennedy didn't have enough of a chin to stand up to the shots from the Cuban. Second fight was pretty amazing. A complete snoozefest for 9 and a half rounds followed by an exciting finish. |
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Posted: 6/9/2012 11:41 PM
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Posted: 6/10/2012 12:07 AM
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:00 AM
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B.S.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:01 AM
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Big time BS. Whole sport is rigged just like wrestling.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:02 AM
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Pac-man just got robbed. This is as insane a decision as I have ever seen in my life. Pac-man dominated this fight, and I mean DOMINATED, winning every round but one.
This is a ******** decision, plain and simple.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:02 AM
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This is why Boxing sucks and MMA is king.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:05 AM
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Boxing is dead fellas. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:07 AM
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bobby95 wrote: Pac-man just got robbed. This is as insane a decision as I have ever seen in my life. Pac-man dominated this fight, and I mean DOMINATED, winning every round but one.
This is a ******** decision, plain and simple. +1. Agree wholeheartedly!
" Understanding is a three-edged sword."
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:10 AM
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Are you kidding me????????????
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:12 AM
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I haven't seen a decision this bad since Roy Jones got robbed in the Olympics in 88.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:13 AM
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Hahahaha What a JOKE boxing is. Can we just rename this thread the MMA thread? Get rid of this joke of a sport we call "boxing"
This makes WWE look real.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:13 AM
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that was insane.
In the spirit of the Pack LOL |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:15 AM
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It could be argued it was already the case, but I think tonight is the night MMA officially overtook boxing as the #1 combat sport.
SABOTAGE!!!
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:18 AM
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What can you say about that decision....
While I find the fights in boxing far more entertaining than what you get with MMA (which to be honest, I find alost unwatchable) ... at least the decisions are usually less controversial in MMA. How sad.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:19 AM
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MBPackFan wrote:
bobby95 wrote: Pac-man just got robbed. This is as insane a decision as I have ever seen in my life. Pac-man dominated this fight, and I mean DOMINATED, winning every round but one.
This is a ******** decision, plain and simple. +1. Agree wholeheartedly! yeah, what a BS decision! Was that to make up for Manny getting the nod over Marquez?
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:19 AM
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Vince McMahon thinks that outcome was fishy.
SABOTAGE!!!
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:19 AM
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Let's not pretend MMA has not had it's share of controversial decisions.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:21 AM
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Zhuge1 wrote: What can you say about that decision....
While I find the fights in boxing far more entertaining than what you get with MMA (which to be honest, I find alost unwatchable) ... at least the decisions are usually less controversial in MMA. How sad. in some cases you wonder if it's done just so Arum can have a huge payday & rematch - you know the Filipino fans will want revenge @ pay big $'s for a rematch.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:22 AM
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bobby95 wrote: Let's not pretend MMA has not had it's share of controversial decisions. Nothing like this.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:22 AM
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They should just have Harold Letterman be the sole official judge of every single fight. I don't think anyone's ever disagreed with his decision. Plus, you actually get an explanation round by round on his scoring. 
SABOTAGE!!!
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:22 AM
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Dana White is doing lines off a hooker's breasts right now, one thinks
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:23 AM
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bobby95 wrote: Let's not pretend MMA has not had it's share of controversial decisions. +1 good point bobby, a voice of reason. Let's all recall this the next time a football or basketball game doesn't end the way we wanted due to a blown or missed call by a ref.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:23 AM
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Unbelievable. We had guys leave the fight party at the final bell because they knew Pac had won and didn't even need to hear the scorecards.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:26 AM
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JamesHenderson wrote: Unbelievable. We had guys leave the fight party at the final bell because they knew Pac had won and didn't even need to hear the scorecards. I was about to turn it off before the scorecards. I think I would have been pretty freaked out to wake up in the morning and read the headlines |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:27 AM
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wolfpack87 wrote:
bobby95 wrote: Let's not pretend MMA has not had it's share of controversial decisions. Nothing like this. Maybe not, I don't follow MMA as closely as many on this thread. But I have seen some head scratchers. Any time you have humans deciding what is a "score" and what isn't, and you have little to no oversight, and a tremendous amount of money involved, crap like this can, and eventually will happen. |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:36 AM
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bobby95 wrote:
wolfpack87 wrote:
bobby95 wrote: Let's not pretend MMA has not had it's share of controversial decisions. Nothing like this. Maybe not, I don't follow MMA as closely as many on this thread. But I have seen some head scratchers.
Any time you have humans deciding what is a "score" and what isn't, and you have little to no oversight, and a tremendous amount of money involved, crap like this can, and eventually will happen. No doubt, I hate any fight that gets left up to judges, however I've been an avid follower of MMA for the last 10 years or so, and I just can't recall any fight where a title holding fighter landed more strikes, was more aggressive, and still lost the fight in a decision. I've never seen anything like what happened tonight.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:38 AM
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Fight had to be rigged. Pacman no doubt won that fight. It wasn't even close.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:40 AM
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:45 AM
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LOL Boxing has always been corrupt. Add this result to the long list of rigged results. How stupid do they think we are?
The only significant fight in MMA history that I can recall being judged clearly wrong was Machida-Rua #1. It was a close fight, but Rua won it. The judges got it wrong. That decision was nothing like this one. Pacman clearly won the fight, and Bradley knew it.
F-Boxing!
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:57 AM
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"Unbelievable," Bob Arum said. "I went over to Bradley before the decision and he said, 'I tried hard but couldnt beat the guy." - ESPN
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- KChill
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Posted: 6/10/2012 7:42 AM
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LMAO Poochiao got whoomped!
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Posted: 6/10/2012 9:40 AM
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KChill wrote: LMAO Poochiao got whoomped! Well, he really didn't, and it wasn't even close, but carry on... |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 10:30 AM
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OldEastHeel wrote: I'll be surprised if Bradley makes it six rounds. To paraphrase Clubber Lang, he is predictable and stupid and comes straight ahead. That might be a problem for Manny if Bradley had any power, but he doesn't.
slickrick00 wrote: Bradley looks like he trained like a fiend for this fight. Should be a good one. It was just a hunch. |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 10:34 AM
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bobby95 wrote:
wolfpack87 wrote:
bobby95 wrote: Let's not pretend MMA has not had it's share of controversial decisions. Nothing like this. Maybe not, I don't follow MMA as closely as many on this thread. But I have seen some head scratchers.
Any time you have humans deciding what is a "score" and what isn't, and you have little to no oversight, and a tremendous amount of money involved, crap like this can, and eventually will happen. That's why I've always been a proponent of open scoring. I've even written about it before. It will never happen but I would certainly prefer it. |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 10:43 AM
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Final results from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas:
-147 lbs.- Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley (CA;29-0) def. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao (PHI; 54-2-2) by split decision (115-113;115-113,113-115)
-122 lbs.- Jorge Arce (MEX; 60-6-2) and Jesus Rojas (18-1-1) fought to a technical Draw after a foul in the 2nd round.
-147 lbs.- Randall Bailey (FL; 43-7) def. Mike Jones (PA; 26-1) by TKO in the 11th
-122 lbs.- Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB; 10-0) def. Teon Kennedy (PA; 17-2-2) by TKO in the 5th
I was at a concert with my wife and some friends so I didn't see the fight card. I know the aggregate Compubox stats are out and show an edge for Pacquiao. I want to see the round by round Compubox stats. Those should be available very soon. When they are I'll post them unless someone else beats me to it.
Last edited 6/10/2012 11:21 AM by slickrick00
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Posted: 6/10/2012 12:31 PM
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slickrick00 wrote:
bobby95 wrote:
wolfpack87 wrote:
bobby95 wrote: Let's not pretend MMA has not had it's share of controversial decisions. Nothing like this. Maybe not, I don't follow MMA as closely as many on this thread. But I have seen some head scratchers.
Any time you have humans deciding what is a "score" and what isn't, and you have little to no oversight, and a tremendous amount of money involved, crap like this can, and eventually will happen. That's why I've always been a proponent of open scoring. I've even written about it before. It will never happen but I would certainly prefer it. I would be in favor of that, too. A couple of other things that need to happen to fix the sport are: 1) Unify the "Associations". You've got the WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO. There could be a champion in each weight class for each association and they're not required to fight each other. That's insane. Unify the associations, and that solves a lot of problems like having a clear-cut champion, fighter inactivity, and fighter mismanagement. 2) Pay-per-view. HBO and Showtime and the promoters may be making money hand over fist on pay-per-view, but to me it's killing boxing. How do you lure in new fans when they are forced to shell out $50 or $60 or more to even watch? |
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:03 PM
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"2) Pay-per-view. HBO and Showtime and the promoters may be making money hand over fist on pay-per-view, but to me it's killing boxing. How do you lure in new fans when they are forced to shell out $50 or $60 or more to even watch?"
^ This. Boxing not having a national major television deal in the U.S. has really, really kept it from climbing back to where it once was. If you look at nations where boxing is doing fairly well (Germany, the U.K., Mexico, etc.) there are national broadcast television deals in place and the product overall has benefitted because of it. However, most of the big money potential tends to be available in the U.S. and boxing's complete lack of an established, well known television presence has done enormous damage. It really is too bad. I still think it has lots of potential here but it is so fractured and weak right now that it's struggling to find its way.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 1:04 PM
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slickrick00 wrote: Final results from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas:
-147 lbs.- Tim "Desert Storm" Bradley (CA;29-0) def. Manny "Pac Man" Pacquiao (PHI; 54-2-2) by split decision (115-113;115-113,113-115)
-122 lbs.- Jorge Arce (MEX; 60-6-2) and Jesus Rojas (18-1-1) fought to a technical Draw after a foul in the 2nd round.
-147 lbs.- Randall Bailey (FL; 43-7) def. Mike Jones (PA; 26-1) by TKO in the 11th
-122 lbs.- Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB; 10-0) def. Teon Kennedy (PA; 17-2-2) by TKO in the 5th
I was at a concert with my wife and some friends so I didn't see the fight card. I know the aggregate Compubox stats are out and show an edge for Pacquiao. I want to see the round by round Compubox stats. Those should be available very soon. When they are I'll post them unless someone else beats me to it. Pac outlanded and outpunched Bradley in 10 of 12 rounds.
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