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UNC Hazing: AP : Mother of Victim Wants "Justice"

Posted: 8/21/2014 6:28 PM

UNC Hazing: AP : Mother of Victim Wants "Justice" 







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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:56 PM

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Motions to dismiss are almost automatic in trials of this nature, so no surprise here. And with fair (?) judges, the motions are usually denied. As to moving the trial to Orange County, that would not surprise me. But that would be a real travesty of justice. No way an Orange County jury is going to convict UNC of anything. They're all part of the family.

Posted: 8/21/2014 7:16 PM

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Word via the UNC mole grapevine today is that :


2-3 baseball players and a " half dozen " football players are willing to speak about the scam . All former players from the last 10 years or so . A few are transfers or were waiver wire victims and don't have the blind loyalty that the others do . Not sure yet if they are talking in private behind the scenes or to a media member(s) . But something is going on. This same guy said no basketball players are ever going to talk besides McCants in his opinion . Was pretty confident of that fwiw.

I'm willing to bet Wainstein is terrified about what is still out there and could blow up again after he's done . Would look pretty ridiculous if he accepted $ 5-8 million , produced a flimsy report only to have some journalist or another McCants type on the football side completely discredit him.


Will be fascinating to see this play out . I hope it ends soon , but the NCAA could take another year after Wainstein .


I still say a former tutor not named Wiley will be the one to break this open . She was pretty close to talking 2 months back . I hear Wainstein knows who she is . If she was interviewed or not is another question .





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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:20 PM

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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:23 PM

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biggoodwolf wrote: Motions to dismiss are almost automatic in trials of this nature, so no surprise here. And with fair (?) judges, the motions are usually denied. As to moving the trial to Orange County, that would not surprise me. But that would be a real travesty of justice. No way an Orange County jury is going to convict UNC of anything. They're all part of the family.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:35 PM

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DurtyD wrote: Do you have to provide a valid reason for a transfer request like that?
Their reason is they don't think they can get an unfair trial in Wake County.

Posted: 8/21/2014 8:10 PM

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Letter to the editor in today's N&O. The writer is a former legislator.

UNC deflection

Thank you for the Aug. 7 editorial “Paper chase” on the overreaction to the discovery of minor plagiarism in Mary Willingham’s master’s thesis that was most likely sloppiness. It was not only Willingham’s sloppiness but also her adviser’s.

Master’s theses are reviewed carefully by an adviser and submitted to a committee for approval. Certainly, Willingham should have been more careful, but the substance was not compromised, and this is one more attempt to distract from the real problem with athletics at UNC.

The university could have spared itself much grief, embarrassment, expense and extensive news coverage if it had just thanked Willingham and said it was concerned and would deal with the situation immediately.

Eleanor Kinnaird

Read more here: www.newsobserver.com/2014/08/2.../#storylink=cpy

Posted: 8/21/2014 8:24 PM

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"UNC is also seeking to have the case transferred from Wake County to Orange County".

Geez, wonder why?
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:38 PM

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wufpakman21 wrote:

I'm willing to bet Wainstein is terrified about what is still out there and could blow up again after he's done . Would look pretty ridiculous if he accepted $ 5-8 million , produced a flimsy report only to have some journalist or another McCants type on the football side completely discredit him.
With all that has come out since he was hired, that is what I have been thinking.

Posted: 8/21/2014 8:50 PM

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Possible explanation for unc's motion to change venue.

Under Section 1-82 of the North Carolina General Statutes, an action must be tried in the county in which the plaintiffs or the defendants reside at its commencement.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:41 PM

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You mean Carl Fox who plays golf in a ewenc hat shirt and carries clubs with ewenc head covers? Certainly he is not biased

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Motions to dismiss are almost automatic in trials of this nature, so no surprise here. And with fair (?) judges, the motions are usually denied. As to moving the trial to Orange County, that would not surprise me. But that would be a real travesty of justice. No way an Orange County jury is going to convict UNC of anything. They're all part of the family.

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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:46 PM

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Everyone involved with the thing, if I recall the complaint, is a resident of based in Orange County.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:46 PM

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But the motion to strike is a joke.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:10 PM

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wufpakman21 wrote: Word via the UNC mole grapevine today is that :


2-3 baseball players and a " half dozen " football players are willing to speak about the scam . All former players from the last 10 years or so . A few are transfers or were waiver wire victims and don't have the blind loyalty that the others do . Not sure yet if they are talking in private behind the scenes or to a media member(s) . But something is going on. This same guy said no basketball players are ever going to talk besides McCants in his opinion . Was pretty confident of that fwiw.

I'm willing to bet Wainstein is terrified about what is still out there and could blow up again after he's done . Would look pretty ridiculous if he accepted $ 5-8 million , produced a flimsy report only to have some journalist or another McCants type on the football side completely discredit him.


Will be fascinating to see this play out . I hope it ends soon , but the NCAA could take another year after Wainstein .


I still say a former tutor not named Wiley will be the one to break this open . She was pretty close to talking 2 months back . I hear Wainstein knows who she is . If she was interviewed or not is another question .
Thanks for the good info.  There haven't been many good posts like this one in a while.

About that other tutor, if she was interviewed, I can't help but think she was STRONGLY encouraged (meaning, with mafioso tactics) not to speak.  I wouldn't put ANYTHING past that bunch.

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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:22 PM

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Didn't UNC push to move this from a state court to a federal court, so they could request that the suit be dismissed under the premise you can't sue a state in federal court?

Posted: 8/21/2014 10:29 PM

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What is going on with the indictments for Jennifer Wiley, Terry Watson, Patrick Jones, Willie Barley, and Michael Johnson?

Have any of these been heard, or were they moved and/or have not taken place yet? Do you think Wainstein has been in touch with any of them?
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:36 PM

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Chew grass in front of you, never look back or ask why the grass is so green so is the way of the goat. Move foraward!
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:56 PM

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rtppackfan wrote: Possible explanation for unc's motion to change venue.

Under Section 1-82 of the North Carolina General Statutes, an action must be tried in the county in which the plaintiffs or the defendants reside at its commencement.
Is the whistleblower law a state or federal law?  If it is a state law, the State can have the hearing in Raleigh.  If UNC-CHeat was in Asheville they could get it moved, but not to CH.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:56 PM

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Move the trial to Pickens, SC, the county seat of PIckens County where Clemson U is located.  cool

Yes I know that's out of bounds, but a fun thought, no?
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:57 PM

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I hate UNC.

Posted: 8/21/2014 11:10 PM

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DurtyD wrote: What is going on with the indictments for Jennifer Wiley, Terry Watson, Patrick Jones, Willie Barley, and Michael Johnson?

Have any of these been heard, or were they moved and/or have not taken place yet? Do you think Wainstein has been in touch with any of them?
I am having a hard time locating the article but their court dates were continued.  Probably political strategy to see how some of these other things go down.

I found it.

"Prosecutor: hearing in UNC agents case on hold"

http://www.wwaytv3.com/2014/07/21/prosecutor-hearing-unc-agents-case-hold
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:18 PM

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Shut yo mouth!  biggrin
wufpakman21 wrote: Word via the UNC mole grapevine today is that :


2-3 baseball players and a " half dozen " football players are willing to speak about the scam . All former players from the last 10 years or so . A few are transfers or were waiver wire victims and don't have the blind loyalty that the others do . Not sure yet if they are talking in private behind the scenes or to a media member(s) . But something is going on. This same guy said no basketball players are ever going to talk besides McCants in his opinion . Was pretty confident of that fwiw.

I'm willing to bet Wainstein is terrified about what is still out there and could blow up again after he's done . Would look pretty ridiculous if he accepted $ 5-8 million , produced a flimsy report only to have some journalist or another McCants type on the football side completely discredit him.


Will be fascinating to see this play out . I hope it ends soon , but the NCAA could take another year after Wainstein .


I still say a former tutor not named Wiley will be the one to break this open . She was pretty close to talking 2 months back . I hear Wainstein knows who she is . If she was interviewed or not is another question .

Posted: 8/21/2014 11:23 PM

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when is the last time unc landed a basketball recruit??

Posted: 8/21/2014 11:40 PM

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Getting closer.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:46 PM

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popcorn.gif I do hope you're referring to those impermissible bennys for a certain football player!
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Posted: 8/22/2014 12:18 AM

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Here's the edited TJ Yates video on The Soup GAWolf spoke of:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x248wmx_tj-yates-the-soup_sport

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Posted: 8/22/2014 12:55 AM

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biggoodwolf wrote: Motions to dismiss are almost automatic in trials of this nature, so no surprise here. And with fair (?) judges, the motions are usually denied. As to moving the trial to Orange County, that would not surprise me. But that would be a real travesty of justice. No way an Orange County jury is going to convict UNC of anything. They're all part of the family.
What happened to the transfer to a Federal Court?
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Posted: 8/22/2014 12:57 AM

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biggoodwolf wrote: Motions to dismiss are almost automatic in trials of this nature, so no surprise here. And with fair (?) judges, the motions are usually denied. As to moving the trial to Orange County, that would not surprise me. But that would be a real travesty of justice. No way an Orange County jury is going to convict UNC of anything. They're all part of the family.
What happened to the transfer to a Federal Court?
In no way, shape or form a lawyer, but I'd think you'd have to file a separate case to go federal. Like if it were some sort of EEOC violation being alleged, or something. Dunno what the options are there.
Swirling controversy.

Posted: 8/22/2014 7:09 AM

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PotHole wrote:
wufpakman21 wrote:

I'm willing to bet Wainstein is terrified about what is still out there and could blow up again after he's done . Would look pretty ridiculous if he accepted $ 5-8 million , produced a flimsy report only to have some journalist or another McCants type on the football side completely discredit him.
With all that has come out since he was hired, that is what I have been thinking.
I don't think he's that worried. He's got it covered.

While many of you think this will be an obvious whitewash, I don't think so. It'll be a whitewash, but it won't be so obvious. There will be new people thrown under the bus, but none of them will be money men behind the curtain. 

There will be many transgressions addressed in his report. Too many to mention individually. So something new comes up? Well, that's one of the ones we knew about but didn't have room for in the report. Nothing to see there, let's move forward.

Posted: 8/22/2014 7:25 AM

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Removal to Federal Court can happen without a new case being filed. Rather there is a request to have the case heard in Federal Court as is. There has to be a federal question at issue or diversity of the parties (from different states). I'm sure there is someone else here who can better explain this, but it's a request not a right and it must be timely by the requesting party. It can also be done by consent. That's the extent of what I remember about removal and admittedly it could be a little off.

Posted: 8/22/2014 7:31 AM

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"You mean Carl Fox who plays golf in a ewenc hat shirt and carries clubs with ewenc head covers? Certainly he is not biased"

Carl Fox also just happens to be the former Orange County District Attorney who hired Jim Woodall, the current DA.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:35 AM

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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:39 AM

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I've been before Carl Fox many times. He's a kind, fair-minded, very professional judge. Y'all are howling up the wrong tree there. I don't dispute he's a Carolina guy, but he's one of the better ones. I'll say this, I'd prefer to be in front of him than most any Superior Court judge who comes through our jurisdiction. Not that others are not also good judges, but he's one I personally prefer. Great man.

Keep your eyes on the real target. Should do anything that appears to be UNC favoritism have at it, but generally speaking he's not worthy of your ire.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:49 AM

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I have a little knowledge on the Wiley front - at least as of a month or so ago, Wiley hadn't talked with anyone.  There is no upside in her talking if she still lives in the state of NC. 
wufpakman21 wrote: Word via the UNC mole grapevine today is that :


2-3 baseball players and a " half dozen " football players are willing to speak about the scam . All former players from the last 10 years or so . A few are transfers or were waiver wire victims and don't have the blind loyalty that the others do . Not sure yet if they are talking in private behind the scenes or to a media member(s) . But something is going on. This same guy said no basketball players are ever going to talk besides McCants in his opinion . Was pretty confident of that fwiw.

I'm willing to bet Wainstein is terrified about what is still out there and could blow up again after he's done . Would look pretty ridiculous if he accepted $ 5-8 million , produced a flimsy report only to have some journalist or another McCants type on the football side completely discredit him.


Will be fascinating to see this play out . I hope it ends soon , but the NCAA could take another year after Wainstein .


I still say a former tutor not named Wiley will be the one to break this open . She was pretty close to talking 2 months back . I hear Wainstein knows who she is . If she was interviewed or not is another question .

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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:55 AM

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rtppackfan wrote: Possible explanation for unc's motion to change venue.

Under Section 1-82 of the North Carolina General Statutes, an action must be tried in the county in which the plaintiffs or the defendants reside at its commencement.
Is the whistleblower law a state or federal law?  If it is a state law, the State can have the hearing in Raleigh.  If UNC-CHeat was in Asheville they could get it moved, but not to CH.

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This is not exactly right.

The Whistleblower Act is a state law. However, if memory serves, the attorney also made a federal (but not state) constitutional claim, which could allow the case to be removed.

State court venue is a different thing. I suspected when I read the original that they would seek (unless they try to remove to Federal court) to move the case to Orange County. Again, as everyone involved apparently resides there, that is proper venue for the case. Which sucks, if you take a good look at some other things.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:56 AM

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I've been before Carl Fox many times. He's a kind, fair-minded, very professional judge. Y'all are howling up the wrong tree there. I don't dispute he's a Carolina guy, but he's one of the better ones. I'll say this, I'd prefer to be in front of him than most any Superior Court judge who comes through our jurisdiction. Not that others are not also good judges, but he's one I personally prefer. Great man.

Keep your eyes on the real target. Should do anything that appears to be UNC favoritism have at it, but generally speaking he's not worthy of your ire.

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How about the other resident superior court judge there?
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:02 AM

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i posted this yesterday. i still think this is strange.



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fletch2727 wrote: heard today that bubba was saying the renovation of the dean dome was "on the back burner". my first thought is that they now know the whitewash will not be a compltete exoneration. must be something bad if they are expecting a basketball attendance/donation backlash??
am i being too optimistic about this??
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:17 AM

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Anything that allows them to keep banners is a whitewash. 
NewtonPulsifer wrote:
PotHole wrote:
wufpakman21 wrote:

I'm willing to bet Wainstein is terrified about what is still out there and could blow up again after he's done . Would look pretty ridiculous if he accepted $ 5-8 million , produced a flimsy report only to have some journalist or another McCants type on the football side completely discredit him.
With all that has come out since he was hired, that is what I have been thinking.
I don't think he's that worried. He's got it covered.

While many of you think this will be an obvious whitewash, I don't think so. It'll be a whitewash, but it won't be so obvious. There will be new people thrown under the bus, but none of them will be money men behind the curtain. 

There will be many transgressions addressed in his report. Too many to mention individually. So something new comes up? Well, that's one of the ones we knew about but didn't have room for in the report. Nothing to see there, let's move forward.

Posted: 8/22/2014 8:37 AM

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*crickets*

Posted: 8/22/2014 8:44 AM

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fletch2727 wrote:

i posted this yesterday. i still think this is strange.



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fletch2727 wrote: heard today that bubba was saying the renovation of the dean dome was "on the back burner". my first thought is that they now know the whitewash will not be a compltete exoneration. must be something bad if they are expecting a basketball attendance/donation backlash??
am i being too optimistic about this??
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You are probably fairly accurate. They know they need to save their bennies for any legal messes, and they are already seeing football academic losses. When they see basketball academic losses, that is when they lose ticket sales. We will see...

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