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UNC Scandal: Will Wainstein Interview Ex-Tutors?

Posted: 6/14/2014 3:20 PM

UNC Scandal: Will Wainstein Interview Ex-Tutors? 


Going to start this new thread as the existing one goes to auto-lock.


Ill try and keep the first page updated with all the latest media links as usual.


Proceed.




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When you are the butt of jokes for the Golf Channel, and Keith Olberman (who is pretty much regular media), the end is near. Just an observation.

RTackman wrote: Keith Olbermann tonight, during US Open highlights, showed Roy, and said "UNC Coach Roy Williams, passing out grades."  Priceless!
wufpakman21 wrote: Talked to a friend of mine that just got back to Pinehurst. He said Roy was getting heckled and looked really awkward and uncomfortable walking around. What a fool he is to go out in public during all of this. Just saw this tweet from the Golf Channel's Jason Sobel.

LOL. UNC is a laughing stock.

Roy Williams hanging out with Bones on the first tee. Just congratulated him for making the dean's list.


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Media Links of Note:


BobLeeSays (UNC Alum) Is Dean Smith Dirty?
www.bobleesays.com/Blog...rimal-Fear.aspx

Rob Anderson: Author of Tarnished Heels weighs in on McCants confession
robjanderson.blogspot.com/

5 UNC players on NCAA Champ 2005' linked to bogus classes: Show me the Transcripts!

www.newsobserver.com/2014/06/06/3917363/200

Duenta Williams WRAL radio interview: Basketball & Football Cheated. More players to speak out.

www.wralsportsfan.com/n...ized-/13729670/

Rashad McCants' academic fraud claims put UNC's Roy Williams under scrutiny

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/explaining-time-for-unc-s-roy-
williams-...diacontentstory
 
via @YahooSports

Media Members at UNC discuss McCants comments:
chapelboro.com/news/unc...ts-co%20mments/

Drew Rosenhaus offered Greg Little and family $100,000

t.co/OVsMZGmBfh

ESPN the Sports Reporters rips UNC's Williams
www.youtube.com/watch?...ature=youtu..be

Dan Wetzel talks UNC Cheat & Roy Williams on Charlotte Radio
charlotte.cbslocal.com/...pt-for-mccants/

CBS Sports: It's not looking good for UNC's Williams
www.cbssports.com/colle...suspect-classes

Mary Willingham Blog Entry
t.co/sFrrAOTEm1

Charleston Chronicle Review of "Tarnished Heels"
www.charlestonchronicle...52&ID=83482

CNN on O'Bannon v NCAA trial and UNC impact
t.co/rGrDNrXVRj

N & O: Roy Williams offers poor defense
www.newsobserver.com/20.../#storylink=cpy

Chansky blames scandal on Coach DOH
chapelboro.com/columns/...-angle-changed/

Blog: Where is Wayne Walden?
www.bobleesays.com/Blog...could-have.aspx

McCants responds to UNC & Williams. Calls out former teams, implicates Dean Smith

www.newsobserver.com/20.../100/&ihp=1

Mums the word at UNC: Editorial on Scandal

www.newsobserver.com/20...tml?sp=/99/108/

















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Posted: 6/14/2014 3:31 PM

Re: UNC Scandal: 05' Banner, Roy & Wainstein 


UNC sucks.





Posted: 6/14/2014 3:39 PM

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Awhile back I stated that he is in charge of damage control. 
Here is the
original post:

Kenneth is a hired gun to defend people and corporations
against white collar crime and regulations violations. I will be totally shocked
if his involvement is anything more than to find a way for UNC to weasel out of
any NCAA infractions. 
His experience:


• Counsel overseeing the
investigation into allegations of improper conduct by investigators in the
National Collegiate Athletic Association's (NCAA) Enforcement Staff and a
broader review and assessment of the environment, policies and procedures of the
NCAA's Enforcement Staff operations. 

• Counsel overseeing comprehensive
FCPA compliance review for an international real estate company. 


Representation of a defense contractor in a federal export control and Foreign
Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA) investigation. 

• Counsel advising a
corporation regarding its response to a major cyber intrusion. 

• Counsel
overseeing internal investigations for two corporations regarding their
compliance with municipal, state, and federal laws and regulations governing
campaign finance restrictions, lobbying registration requirements, and
pay-to-play limitations. 

• Representation of a government contractor in
a Department of Justice antitrust bid-rigging investigation. 

• Counsel
conducting internal investigation of alleged violations of the Anti-Kickback
Statute by employees of a health insurance company. 

• Representation of
a professional basketball player charged with firearms offenses. 


Representation of a dealer in law enforcement equipment who was indicted for
FCPA violations. 

• Representation of an executive in an SEC
investigation into insider trading. 

• Representation of an Assistant
United States Attorney in connection with the special prosecutor's investigation
of potential contempt of court charges arising out of the Justice Department's
prosecution of Senator Ted Stevens. 

• Counsel for an individual in
connection with a Department of Justice criminal investigation into the alleged
violation of federal campaign finance laws. 

• Representation of a senior
executive of a construction company in an FCPA investigation by the SEC and the
Department of Justice. 

• Counsel for a Swiss bank official charged with
conspiring to help U.S. taxpayers hide their assets from the I.R.S. 


Counsel overseeing compliance reviews of two major mortgage processing
companies. 

• Representation of a bank in litigation over its role in the
securitization of mortgages. 

• Representation of a foreign bank official
in a Justice Department investigation into alleged sanctions
violations. 

• Representation of the CEO of a manufacturing company in an
honest services fraud prosecution by the Antitrust Division of the Justice
Department. 

• Representation of a senior executive of a pharmaceutical
company in a Justice Department investigation into alleged sanctions violations.







Posted: 6/14/2014 3:48 PM

Re: UNC Scandal: 05' Banner, Roy & Wainstein 


I am loving the talk about banners coming down on Pack Pride. Where has this been until now? Ok, I don't care. I just love it.

Posted: 6/14/2014 3:54 PM

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StAugieDoggie wrote: Embedded image permalink Embedded image permalink
Don't forget...that gentleman on the far right was given an award by Swofford and the ACC brass for his grades in classes that didn't meet. The levels of this scam are off the charts, and Swofford is neck deep in it all.
scott named to all-acc academic team
posted aug 17, 2005
greensboro, n.c. -- the 2004-05 all-acc academic basketball team was released by the atlantic coast conference on wednesday. former tar heel guard melvin scott was named to the 10-member squad. scott earned his unc degree in african studies in may 2005.
scott averaged 5.1 points per game as a senior in 2004-05. he played in all 27 games and made seven starts. he finished third on the team with 45 three-point field goals and shot 35.7 percent from behind the arc.

scott finished his career with 873 points (6.8 ppg), 209 assists, 189 rebounds and 119 steals. played in 129 games at carolina, starting 59. he finished seventh in carolina history with 183 career three-point field goals.

he averaged 3.8 points in the six ncaa tournament games. shooting 5 of 12 (41.7 percent) from three-point range. he played a key role down the stretch in the ncaa tournament win over villanova win with five points, including two important free throws, and two assists. he hit two free throws with 29 seconds to play to give carolina 66-62 lead.

the members of the 2004-05 all-acc academic basketball team are: 

coleman collins, virginia tech cliff hammonds, clemson vytas danelius, wake forest jamaal levy, wake forest lee melchionni, duke j.j redick, duke shawan robinson, clemson melvin scott, north carolina kyle visser, wake forest andrew wilson, florida state








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Posted: 6/14/2014 3:58 PM

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^^there has been plenty of banner removal talk for years now on here.........just a healthy fear of UNC skating unscathed b\c of what they have already managed to escape.

I feel better about them losing 09 than 05...........already plenty of known facts/dirt on 09 team

Last 3 banners are deserving........

Andre Brown after 1st career NFL start:
 “Never give up. I learned that in college (at NC State). Jim Valvano.”

Last edited 6/14/2014 4:13 PM by wolfpack1437

Posted: 6/14/2014 3:59 PM

Re: UNC Scandal: 05' Banner, Roy & Wainstein 


I won a UNC diploma for 49 cents on Quibids. cool

Posted: 6/14/2014 4:08 PM

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Posted: 6/14/2014 4:28 PM

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Once again, these are the athletes that UNC acknowledged to SACS as having taken bogus classes:

"173 of the 384 (45%) individual students who took a Type 1 course were student-athletes. The student-athletes were members of various teams, as follows: baseball (15), football (88) [1 student was added to the team after matriculation and 1 student left the team], field hockey (2), junior varsity basketball (1), men's basketball (21), men’s cross country (1), men’s golf (4), men’s lacrosse (3), men’s swimming (1), men’s tennis (8), men’s track (2), softball (2), women’s basketball (12), women’s golf (2), women’s lacrosse (2), women’s soccer (3), women’s track (3), women’s volleyball (1), and wrestling (2). A distribution of graduates and non-graduates by sport is found in the attached document.



The time period listed for UNC's SACS Response shows these enrollments took place between Fall 1997 and Summer session II, 2009.

21 Men's Basketball Players... including 6 that had no degree as of the 2013 response.

Here are the UNC players who majored in AFAM or have been confirmed taking AFAM classes in that time period:

Vince Carter
Antawn Jamison
Ed Cota
Max Owens
Terence Newby
Orlando Melendez
Jackie Manuel
Sean May
David Noel
Melvin Scott
Jawad Williams
Rashad McCants
Marvin Williams
Reyshawn Terry
Quentin Thomas
Mike Copeland
Tyler Hansbrough

That makes 17 players... including only 2 known not to have degrees (McCants and M. Williams).
SO... who are the other 4 players in that time period who do not have degrees?
Possible candidates?  Felton, Davis, Wright, Stepheson, Ellington, Lawson, Graves?

Note: Julius Peppers and Ronald Curry also majored in AFAM and played basketball but were both, by NCAA rule, members of the football team.

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NOW... UNC admitted to this.  McCants is the only former player who has come forward as one of the 21.  That makes him the only HONEST one (so far).
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Posted: 6/14/2014 4:30 PM

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Funny that fanboy Ross/Folt/Rams club authorized another expensive review of the multipronged scandal on the NC taxpayers' dime while referring to it later as an independent investigation; the carolina way at work.


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Posted: 6/14/2014 4:36 PM

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Funny that fanboy Ross/Folt/Rams club authorized another expensive review of the multipronged scandal on the NC taxpayers' dime while referring to it later as an independent investigation; the carolina way at work.

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IS IT on the taxpayers dime?
All the previous have had the statement that private funds (hello Dental Foundation sausage wallet jet service) picked up the tab.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 5:03 PM

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^^^There were plenty of fraud classes and other dubious academic mischief overlooked by the Gov.------ heck, even McCants noted several he participated in that weren't on the list.

Using prior reviews (which SACS used) to draw final conclusions is a BIG mistake and one UNC-CHeat would LOVE to see everyone following this mess make. Those reviews weren't just whitewashed in their final conclusions........

The CHeats stalled all those years and conducted so many of those whitewashed reviews so that TIME would muddy the facts and people would get confused about the original details and any subsequent findings. It has also made a coherent media message about UNC-CHeat's wrongdoings virtually impossible. The time lost will make any kind of "fresh start/new look" investigation VERY difficult to launch..........

....they cleared any and all damaging paperwork and personnel out of that cesspool a long time ago, so nobody could be compelled to talk if anyone decided to take a serious look sometime down the road.

They hate Holden NOW, but he will be a hero in the future behind closed doors b/c of what he made virtually impossible to reassemble----the freshly available and untouched scandal facts/evidence around several years ago (when this mess first started).

The CHeats have also tied up many hands with legal agreements since those early scandal years----making some who might want to come clean, unable b/c of legal risks. Holden's work has handed Wainstein a golden opportunity to easily wrap this up with some good PR and a TON of "legal/rule" talking points, instead of "right vs. wrong" and "clean vs. cheaters".

Remove enough vital pieces to assembling a puzzle and it will be virtually impossible to assemble in a coherent way ever
again........

Much of the REALLY nasty dirt was overlooked and intentionally kept off those lists and out of the findings b/c it was an indefensible PR/infraction nightmare ---- classes/acts that occurred during great Bball seasons and might draw attention to the ill-gotten nature of those gains were the first to be ignored.

Andre Brown after 1st career NFL start:
 “Never give up. I learned that in college (at NC State). Jim Valvano.”

Last edited 6/14/2014 5:25 PM by wolfpack1437

Posted: 6/14/2014 5:09 PM

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How many threads have autolocked on the scandal? Has to be 50-100.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 5:54 PM

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Here are the UNC players who majored in AFAM or have been confirmed taking AFAM classes in that time period:

Vince Carter 
Antawn Jamison 
Ed Cota 
Max Owens 
Terence Newby 
Orlando Melendez 
Jackie Manuel 
Sean May 
David Noel 
Melvin Scott 
Jawad Williams 
Rashad McCants 
Marvin Williams 
Reyshawn Terry 
Quentin Thomas 
Mike Copeland 
Tyler Hansbrough

That makes 17 players... including only 2 known not to have degrees (McCants and M. Williams).
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How can any objective person not see the guilty machine ingrained incorporated expected accepted and made systemic by both UNCCH's athletics and general admins -- ??




TARNISHED HEELS:  http://www.gofundme.com/ev5qdk


    

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Posted: 6/14/2014 6:10 PM

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The last thing the NCAA wants to do is make the CHEATS , UNC to take down a few banners. They will drag their feet just hoping that INC produces a crumb showing they could be innocent. What does The Heels have on them. They sure have not been so kind to almost any other program. I still hope they get hammered. I just don't expect it.

1974
and 1983 were great years, lets make 2015 another one to remember.

Posted: 6/14/2014 6:38 PM

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Question. So we know for a fact that all those guys took AFAM classes? If so, that absolutely proves that at least 2 NCAA Championship banners and some ACC titles need to come down.
Max Alpha wrote: Here are the UNC players who majored in AFAM or have been confirmed taking AFAM classes in that time period:

Vince Carter 
Antawn Jamison 
Ed Cota 
Max Owens 
Terence Newby 
Orlando Melendez 
Jackie Manuel 
Sean May 
David Noel 
Melvin Scott 
Jawad Williams 
Rashad McCants 
Marvin Williams 
Reyshawn Terry 
Quentin Thomas 
Mike Copeland 
Tyler Hansbrough

That makes 17 players... including only 2 known not to have degrees (McCants and M. Williams).
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How can any objective person not see the guilty machine ingrained incorporated expected accepted and made systemic by both UNCCH's athletics and general admins -- ??

Posted: 6/14/2014 7:12 PM

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Time to update the UNC AFAM majors list... courtesy of the UNC basketball blue book. archive.org/stream/uncbasketba...ge/328/mode/2up

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For reference:

AFAM, African Studies, and Undeclared majors in UNC basketball and the associated banners which may need to come down.

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Note 1: Julius Nyang'oro arrived at UNC in the Fall of 1984.

Note 2: A few non-banner seasons were included when necessary to show additional players or team managers (for info purposes) who also majored in AFAM.

Note 3: Past UNC Basketball Blue Book releases have included the majors for all former players by class (year) dating back to 1962. This info inclusion stopped following the 2005 season.

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Class of 1987 Curtis Hunter - African Studies

Class of 1988 Ranzino Smith - AFAM

(Though predating the elevation of Nyang'oro to head of the AFAM department, he was teaching AFAM classes during Smith and Hunter's educational period at UNC. The Tar Heels claim Regular Season titles from 85, 87, and 88 with them on the roster).

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Season:

1991
Banners: ACC Tournament; Final Four

George Lynch - African Studies
Derrick Phelps - AFAM
Brian Reese - AFAM*
Clifford Rozier - Pan African Studies*

1993
Banners: ACC Regular Season; Final Four; NCAA Champions

George Lynch - African Studies
Donald Williams - African Studies
Derrick Phelps - AFAM
Brian Reese - AFAM*

1994
Banner: ACC Tournament

Donald Williams - African Studies
Derrick Phelps - AFAM
Jerry Stackhouse - AFAM
Brian Reese - AFAM*
Jeff McInnis - AFAM*

1995
Banners: ACC Regular Season (shared); Final Four

Donald Williams - African Studies
Jerry Stackhouse - AFAM
Jeff McInnis - AFAM*
Chuck Lisenbee (team manager) - Biology & AFAM*

1997
Banners: ACC Tournament; Final Four
Vince Carter - AFAM
Antawn Jamison - AFAM
Ed Cota - African Studies

1998
Banners: ACC Tournament; Final Four
Vince Carter - AFAM
Antawn Jamison - AFAM
Ed Cota - African Studies

1999

Ed Cota - African Studies
Cori Brown (team manager) - African Studies*
(Note: Carter & Jamison in NBA offseason AFAM studies)

2000
Banner: Final Four

Max Owens - AFAM
Ed Cota - African Studies
Julius Peppers - AFAM*
Terence Newby - AFAM*
Orlando Melendez - AFAM*

2001
Banner: ACC Regular Season (shared)

Max Owens - AFAM
Julius Peppers - AFAM*
Ronald Curry - African Studies*
Orlando Melendez - AFAM*

2004

Eric Hoots (team manager) - Comm & AFAM*

2005
Banners: ACC Regular Season; Final Four; NCAA Champions

Jackie Manuel - AFAM
Sean May - AFAM
David Noel - AFAM
Melvin Scott - AFAM
Reyshawn Terry - AFAM
Quentin Thomas - AFAM
Jawad Williams - AFAM
Rashad McCants - AFAM
Marvin Williams - AFAM

2007
Banners: ACC Regular Season; ACC Tournament

Reyshawn Terry - AFAM
Quentin Thomas - AFAM
Mike Copeland - AFAM

2008
Banners: ACC Regular Season; ACC Tournament; Final Four

Quentin Thomas - AFAM
Mike Copeland - AFAM
Greg Little - Communications**

2009
Banners: ACC Regular Season; Final Four; NCAA Champions

Mike Copeland - AFAM


* - confirmed in UNC Basketball Blue Book 2004-05 archive.org/stream/uncbasketba...ge/328/mode/2up

** - player later declared ineligible for receiving improper benefits

Again, this is just a list of confirmed majors in AFAM along with undeclared majors from the Indy Star data and other sources (official bios, etc). This is NOT a comprehensive list of all UNC basketball players who have taken classes within the AFAM department (bogus or otherwise) over the past two decades. As previously noted, for example, Tyler Hansbrough took "three years" of Swahili in the AFAM department yet majored in Communications.

Posted: 6/14/2014 7:26 PM

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Urban Dictionary: tarheel

Fake, fraud, cheat.

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"Is that a Rolex?"
"Nah, it's a tarheel. I got it on eBay for like $20."

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"Baby, you're just not that good in bed."
"Oh yeah, well I always tarheeled my orgasms!"

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"Don't tarheel on your taxes or the IRS will bust you."

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"How could you tarheel on your beautiful girlfriend like that??"

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"Its amazing how many times Evil Knievel tarheeled death during his career!"

Posted: 6/14/2014 7:59 PM

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Well...I'm back from my punishment for calling a spade a spade. Would do it again in a heartbeat. It was necessary. Anyway, enough about that.

Been keeping up with you guys, and it's been some great reading over the last seven days. Looking forward to watching this through to it's inevitable end.

Watching for posts from pointwolf. Going to love the coverup being exposed from within. Wainstein's going to lose a once very lucrative business if he's not careful. As many have already noted... His best option is to pull out... NOW.

Posted: 6/14/2014 8:01 PM

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Can we get a repost of the AFAM classes breakdown by year with annotation of who was HC at the time?
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Posted: 6/14/2014 8:11 PM

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It has been mentioned before that UNC stopped listing the majors of the "student-athletes".

While this might sound like trite questions, any answers could be rather interesting.

Who, specifically, made the decision to do this? Why and what made the timing of the decision go into motion?

Certainly listening of majors helps show the diversity of study and the "student-athletes" involved in them. Isn't that a good, positive image they would want to promote?

The only reasons I can think of why they would want to start this practice of omission is either the "student-athletes" or the school, are ashamed of the field of study or what is offered. Surely they didn't want to hide something such as clustering...or worse?

Again, don't always concentrate on what someone says, but watch what they do. Everything has a reason. Roy intimated everyone stopped taking AFAM as coincidence, but the stopping of the listing of the majors insinuates something else.

They thought people would not pay attention or make certain connections. As with most other things, they thought wrong.
"When I was a young I looked like Al Capone, but I lacked his compassion." - Oscar Levant

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Posted: 6/14/2014 8:15 PM

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It is possible that part of the delay from the revelation of Wainstein's Report is because due to recent events, he is having to rewrite large chunks of it and refigure how to present it.
"When I was a young I looked like Al Capone, but I lacked his compassion." - Oscar Levant

Posted: 6/14/2014 8:24 PM

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BDevilU wrote: Urban Dictionary: tarheel

Fake, fraud, cheat.

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"Is that a Rolex?"
"Nah, it's a tarheel. I got it on eBay for like $20."

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"Baby, you're just not that good in bed."
"Oh yeah, well I always tarheeled my orgasms!"

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"Don't tarheel on your taxes or the IRS will bust you."

---------

"How could you tarheel on your beautiful girlfriend like that??"

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"Its amazing how many times Evil Knievel tarheeled death during his career!"
lol.......    good job.    biggrin
formerly wsh.....
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Posted: 6/14/2014 8:36 PM

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biggrin
gcbrat wrote: It is possible that part of the delay from the revelation of Wainstein's Report is because due to recent events, he is having to rewrite large chunks of it and refigure how to present it.
Very well could be just that.
Jay and Mary have put off the release of their book until next spring. They obviously have much more to add based on what new info they know now but will become public knowledge later.
Tom Ross is just like Pinocchio.
1.He is a puppet.
2.He tells lies.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 8:43 PM

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--- wolfpack1437 wrote:

^^there has been plenty of banner removal talk for years now on here.........just a healthy fear of UNC skating unscathed b\c of what they have already managed to escape.

I feel better about them losing 09 than 05...........already plenty of known facts/dirt on 09 team

Last 3 banners are deserving........

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Media seem to think no more sanctions by ncaa against unc.

Posted: 6/14/2014 8:48 PM

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I am truly amazed at how far this sickening saga has all come, regardless of the lack of proper punishment. The longer unc* drags this out with denial and PR spin, the closer it gets to dean and the swof*. That thought alone gives me patience.

roy* is now in the crosshairs and has already taken a few body blows.

Great work by all!!

Posted: 6/14/2014 8:50 PM

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Rock in this chair 3 times to earn a B.S. degree at UNC-CHeat.

Rock 5 times for a Master's degree.  10 for a Ph.D.

Photo: Sit in this chair to earn a UNC-CHeat college degree.

Posted: 6/14/2014 8:52 PM

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wufpakman21 wrote: Going to start this new thread as the existing one goes to auto-lock.

Ill try and keep the first page updated with all the latest media links as usual.

Proceed.

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When you are the butt of jokes for the Golf Channel, and Keith Olberman (who is pretty much regular media), the end is near. Just an observation.

Here is the Golf link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAwrUl1IUbg

Posted: 6/14/2014 9:00 PM

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Media seem to think no more sanctions by ncaa against unc.

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don't know where you came up with that conclusion. IC.?

Posted: 6/14/2014 9:14 PM

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TheStorm2 wrote:


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Media seem to think no more sanctions by ncaa against unc.

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don't know where you came up with that conclusion. IC.?
If there are no sanctions, every school in the country needs to set up a similar scheme with a fake AFAM department, set up paper classes with a group of grad students from all disciplines available to write papers.  There would be multiple classes in summer sessions designed to offer athletes 4 A's, swapping out passing grades for failing grades, etc.

Then dare the NCAA to do anything about it.

Posted: 6/14/2014 9:20 PM

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As several posters have pointed out, the McCants revelations and ESPN have done more than dozens of print articles to make UNC the poster child for academic and athletic fraud. Here's a confession which, although citing UNC and McCants, may also play into the "everybody does it" rationalization.

I Helped Division I Athletes Cheat in College

"The NCAA's response to McCants's comments was predictably vilifying to him and cheating athletes like him in order to protect their business, which is built on the broken bodies of young people. The NCAA isn't concerned with the future of student athletes—they want profits. The only reason reality and illusion overlap is because they make their money off the athletes. Do you think a one-and-done prospect really cares about introductory sociology, or that his school really cares if he cares? As long as the university is making money, everything is peachy keen.

Beyond the guise that they actually give a damn, there is another way they are misleading the public on this "scandal." UNC publicly said the fraud was limited to the Afro-American Studies program, which is a dog whistle that implies that only black kids were the ones doing the cheating. It was almost like UNC was saying, "Sure, Rashad McCants cheated, but it's because he's black and didn't know any better. You know how those people are. They'll take advantage of every freebie, the same way they cheat welfare programs. White athletes, on the other hand, inherently care more about their education. Just ask Johnny Manziel." That line of thinking is ******* ********. In my day, I helped a ton of ******* white athletes cheat their way to good grades."

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Posted: 6/14/2014 9:33 PM

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I hate UNC.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 9:37 PM

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MattNicholson wrote: I hate UNC.

 

Posted: 6/14/2014 9:46 PM

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Max Alpha wrote: Here are the UNC players who majored in AFAM or have been confirmed taking AFAM classes in that time period:

Vince Carter 
Antawn Jamison 
Ed Cota 
Max Owens 
Terence Newby 
Orlando Melendez 
Jackie Manuel 
Sean May 
David Noel 
Melvin Scott 
Jawad Williams 
Rashad McCants 
Marvin Williams 
Reyshawn Terry 
Quentin Thomas 
Mike Copeland 
Tyler Hansbrough

That makes 17 players... including only 2 known not to have degrees (McCants and M. Williams).

Which, if any, of these were among the eleven that Roy pulled together to sit with him during his interview?

Posted: 6/14/2014 9:49 PM

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To recruit and use athletes for the glory of UNC while not also trying to give them the best education possible is blatant racism and classism. It is sickening hypocrisy that a self-proclaimed top notch liberal arts university would do what unc has done for decades. How in the world can you sit in a kid's home, talk with his parents, offer and spend the money for a full ride college education, and then steer the kid into meaningless or bogus classes? How do you put your head on the pillow and sleep at night?
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Posted: 6/14/2014 10:01 PM

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^ To hear them tell it, it's charity. i.e., Why can't these stupid athletes keep their mouths shut and accept their dang freebies? If they don't make it in the pros ... oh well. They got their chance.

unc friend told me that the other day.

Posted: 6/14/2014 10:15 PM

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ColoradoWolf wrote: To recruit and use athletes for the glory of UNC while not also trying to give them the best education possible is blatant racism and classism. It is sickening hypocrisy that a self-proclaimed top notch liberal arts university would do what unc has done for decades. How in the world can you sit in a kid's home, talk with his parents, offer and spend the money for a full ride college education, and then steer the kid into meaningless or bogus classes? How do you put your head on the pillow and sleep at night?
Easy.  It's not about the kids, it's about the UNC brand, and that is more important than any student.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 10:30 PM

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Roy knew. Academics gave McCants 4-A's his last semester so athletics could boost their APR. I bet Roy shared his bonus with the eggheads; NOT! Roy tarheeled.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives."

Posted: 6/14/2014 10:30 PM

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PackBacker1 wrote: The last thing the NCAA wants to do is make the CHEATS , UNC to take down a few banners. They will drag their feet just hoping that INC produces a crumb showing they could be innocent. What does The Heels have on them. They sure have not been so kind to almost any other program. I still hope they get hammered. I just don't expect it.
I think the dilemma the NCAA faces with UNC that's different from every other program is the NCAA is scared of what they may find.  If they follow the scandal far enough, they have good reason to believe it will drag in John Swofford and they will be forced to bring down a MAJOR conference commissioner.  No where in NCAA history has a conference commissioner been involved in such illicit activity at a member institution, and they aren't sure what to do about it.


Posted: 6/14/2014 10:35 PM

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44magnum wrote:
PackBacker1 wrote: The last thing the NCAA wants to do is make the CHEATS , UNC to take down a few banners. They will drag their feet just hoping that INC produces a crumb showing they could be innocent. What does The Heels have on them. They sure have not been so kind to almost any other program. I still hope they get hammered. I just don't expect it.
I think the dilemma the NCAA faces with UNC that's different from every other program is the NCAA is scared of what they may find.  If they follow the scandal far enough, they have good reason to believe it will drag in John Swofford and they will be forced to bring down a MAJOR conference commissioner.  No where in NCAA history has a conference commissioner been involved in such illicit activity at a member institution, and they aren't sure what to do about it.
What if Delany (Big 10 commish- also UNC grad) was around there then? Likely not involved as Swoff, but that would be even funnier. But no question on Swoff- if he wasnt in on Dean starting the cheating, he should`ve known. Either way, guilty of something, cheating or negligence.

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