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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:02 PM
RE: Officiating in the Kansas/Iowa St.- "under
Planet Boulder wrote:
sumerelcnu wrote:
PretzelPack wrote:
sumerelcnu wrote: So why do we give 2 ***** about a missed call in a Big 12 game that doesn't affect us one bit?
Oh that's right we need to add more credence to the fact that we never actually lose a game but the refs have screwed us out of every ******* one of them.
For ***** sake, get over it, we have to PLAY better. How come some people find it necessary to come on here and tell others what they should or shouldn't think. People took notice of this and have comments on it. The title of this thread is clear. If people have a problem with this thread/subject, then they can always choose to ignore it.
I personally give two *****, because games such as these shape seeding in the NCAA tournament. What if this loss keeps Iowa State from making it into the dance? How much money could this end up costing ISU? What about the supporters of ISU? If the teams like Kansas/Duke/uncch always get the calls and benefits, then why should the rest of us even watch the games or care? And people are getting tired of this ****, whether it is blatant corruption or incompetence in the officiating of these games. dude, seriously take off the tin foil hat. I doubt very seriously that had ISU won it would have changed their seeding that much, Kansas may move from a 2 to a 3 at most. Jesus Christ, we have some of the most deranged fans on earth, hell I could easily see one of our fans doing what the ISU fan attempted to do, we are that ******* bad.  
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:02 PM
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Juardis wrote: sumerelcnu wrote: So why do we give 2 ***** about a missed call in a Big 12 game that doesn't affect us one bit?
Oh that's right we need to add more credence to the fact that we never actually lose a game but the refs have screwed us out of every ******* one of them.
For ***** sake, get over it, we have to PLAY better. mods, can you please ban this UNC homer? Or, at the very least, out him on his title? I mean "horrible thread starter" is a gross understatement. so because UNC appears in my name you just assume I am a UNC homer??? Maybe you should give my name another shot. Just b/c i've been ***** slapping these ******* all over the place regarding ISU in the tourney don't get all defensive.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:03 PM
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sumerelcnu wrote:
Juardis wrote:
sumerelcnu wrote: So why do we give 2 ***** about a missed call in a Big 12 game that doesn't affect us one bit?
Oh that's right we need to add more credence to the fact that we never actually lose a game but the refs have screwed us out of every ******* one of them.
For ***** sake, get over it, we have to PLAY better. mods, can you please ban this UNC homer? Or, at the very least, out him on his title? I mean "horrible thread starter" is a gross understatement. so because UNC appears in my name you just assume I am a UNC homer??? Maybe you should give my name another shot. Just b/c i've been ***** slapping these ******* all over the place regarding ISU in the tourney don't get all defensive. 
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:04 PM
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Juardis wrote:
sumerelcnu wrote: So why do we give 2 ***** about a missed call in a Big 12 game that doesn't affect us one bit?
Oh that's right we need to add more credence to the fact that we never actually lose a game but the refs have screwed us out of every ******* one of them.
For ***** sake, get over it, we have to PLAY better. mods, can you please ban this UNC homer? Or, at the very least, out him on his title? I mean "horrible thread starter" is a gross understatement. I'll second this.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:05 PM
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sumerelcnu wrote:
Juardis wrote:
sumerelcnu wrote: So why do we give 2 ***** about a missed call in a Big 12 game that doesn't affect us one bit?
Oh that's right we need to add more credence to the fact that we never actually lose a game but the refs have screwed us out of every ******* one of them.
For ***** sake, get over it, we have to PLAY better. mods, can you please ban this UNC homer? Or, at the very least, out him on his title? I mean "horrible thread starter" is a gross understatement. so because UNC appears in my name you just assume I am a UNC homer??? Maybe you should give my name another shot. Just b/c i've been ***** slapping these ******* all over the place regarding ISU in the tourney don't get all defensive. 
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:06 PM
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What you mean that the NCAA doesn't want a UVA, UTEP, Wash, Memphis final four????? or maybe a Wake, Tennessee, Southern Miss. and UNO. Would that hurt ratings?, this is all about money and ratings?
It's not about competition and fair play like the commercials say, wth??????
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:07 PM
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FLWolf88 wrote:
Juardis wrote:
sumerelcnu wrote: So why do we give 2 ***** about a missed call in a Big 12 game that doesn't affect us one bit?
Oh that's right we need to add more credence to the fact that we never actually lose a game but the refs have screwed us out of every ******* one of them.
For ***** sake, get over it, we have to PLAY better. mods, can you please ban this UNC homer? Or, at the very least, out him on his title? I mean "horrible thread starter" is a gross understatement. I'll second this. 
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:18 PM
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To me, this thread is interesting, and not so much to do with, how it affects Iowa St. seeding, or ours. Although, who knows it could. What this is about, is officiating, other than the ACC. Lord knows we hear so many complaints here about ACC officials, and how they favor the cheats and dookies. Obviously, it goes on elsewhere as well. Last night, it surely favored another dominant college basketball team. The question does seem to arise, is there something going on, that keeps some of these teams at the top? I am not qualified enough to answer that, but many a red flag has been raised. I sure hope this isn't the case, but I have to admit, I may be a bit more, than suspicious.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:32 PM
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packfanstk wrote: A Tar Hole on the ISU boards claiming sympathy for how they got jobbed. That's rich. I think this is the post that got Mad Hole Fan so mad.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:36 PM
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uncle remus spelled backwards. lol
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:38 PM
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RaleighBound wrote: packfanstk wrote: A Tar Hole on the ISU boards claiming sympathy for how they got jobbed. That's rich. I think this is the post that got Mad Hole Fan so mad. 
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:38 PM
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High Five!
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:40 PM
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goturbackpack66 wrote: uncle remus spelled backwards. lol In case there's any doubt, it also has a double entendre type meaning in Latin, according to another thread, which references the male privy organ.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 12:44 PM
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UndertheLongineClock wrote:
ArmandJ wrote: . I have never seen anything like it. Be thankful you didn't watch the second half last year at Duke. No kidding. THAT was simply bend over and grab your ankles time.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:19 PM
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Pack84a wrote:
UndertheLongineClock wrote:
ArmandJ wrote: . I have never seen anything like it. Be thankful you didn't watch the second half last year at Duke. No kidding. THAT was simply bend over and grab your ankles time. It was the maddest I had ever been after a ball game. The anger lasted for weeks. My wife was about to commit me.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:24 PM
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Treyvon wrote:
Pack84a wrote:
UndertheLongineClock wrote:
ArmandJ wrote: . I have never seen anything like it. Be thankful you didn't watch the second half last year at Duke. No kidding. THAT was simply bend over and grab your ankles time.
It was the maddest I had ever been after a ball game. The anger lasted for weeks. My wife was about to commit me. How angry were you after the UNC ACCT game?
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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:28 PM
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Does anyone really believe referees are the only association in the world not corrupt? Of course not! They are just nestled in a protective society beyond reach.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:29 PM
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Haven't read the thread but watched this whole game and the no call on the block/charge was bad but giving what was clearly Jeff Withey's 5th foul to a player who didn't even touch the guy was worse. ISU got absolutely hosed. Apparently one of their fans decided to take matters into his own hands.. http://deadspin.com/5986921/af...front-bill-self
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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:29 PM
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From the comments.... Enter the smarmy NC State fan in every post-game discussion where we feel like we got Hessed (TM). Tim Kline 1 hour ago You can blame the refs if you'd like. ISU blew the game for themselves, good teams hold on to 5 point leads.
UNC-CHeat men’s basketball team took no-show classes until fall 2009..and then they suddenly developed other interests? That's it?? Were these magic student advisors? Do NCAA laws cease to exist on your campus?
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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:30 PM
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Treyvon wrote:
Pack84a wrote:
UndertheLongineClock wrote:
ArmandJ wrote: . I have never seen anything like it. Be thankful you didn't watch the second half last year at Duke. No kidding. THAT was simply bend over and grab your ankles time.
It was the maddest I had ever been after a ball game. The anger lasted for weeks. My wife was about to commit me. I have had to stop watching our games against dook and unc because of that very reason. I would just get too angry. It is better for me to tape it and watch if we win, and to erase it if we lose. Watching dook or unc cheat and win is bad enough. Watching us lose also is too much.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:31 PM
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Kansas = unc-ch's mini me
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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:32 PM
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TheInnerLight wrote:I came to the conclusion several years ago that college basketball is FIXED in some instances. The NCAA has a vested interest in keeping teams like Kansas, unc and dook at the top, so they have instructed the officials to make close and critical calls in favor of them. The officials are also instructed to do things like give the best player on the other team 2 or 3 ticky-tack fouls in the first half so he will have to sit. Then they even the # of fouls out during meaningless points in the game so things do not appear so one sided. It is a scam and an embarassment to the NCAA and college basketball in general. The fix is in in college basketball. Accept it. This is why I hardly watch anymore. Watching some of these games has become like watching professional wrestling. It's all about TV revenue and merchandise sales to the NCAA. I think one easy improvement is to go with 6 or 7 fouls to foul out. Very surprised this doesn't get more traction. Lessens impact of officiating on the game. As a fan - I want to see the best players on the court for the longest time competing; that goes for NC State and whoever we're playing.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:35 PM
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TexasWolfpack wrote:
TheInnerLight wrote:I came to the conclusion several years ago that college basketball is FIXED in some instances. The NCAA has a vested interest in keeping teams like Kansas, unc and dook at the top, so they have instructed the officials to make close and critical calls in favor of them. The officials are also instructed to do things like give the best player on the other team 2 or 3 ticky-tack fouls in the first half so he will have to sit. Then they even the # of fouls out during meaningless points in the game so things do not appear so one sided. It is a scam and an embarassment to the NCAA and college basketball in general. The fix is in in college basketball. Accept it. This is why I hardly watch anymore. Watching some of these games has become like watching professional wrestling. It's all about TV revenue and merchandise sales to the NCAA. I think one easy improvement is to go with 6 or 7 fouls to foul out. Very surprised this doesn't get more traction. Lessens impact of officiating on the game. As a fan - I want to see the best players on the court for the longest time competing; that goes for NC State and whoever we're playing. You answered why it does get more traction with the second bolded line. Why are you surprised? College basketball is a sham. It is the only major sport where the game officials can take players out of the game. Sham!
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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:45 PM
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Must be nice to win a game -- even when you didn't.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 1:54 PM
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Posted: 2/26/2013 2:02 PM
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officiating can not cost a team a game 
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Posted: 2/26/2013 2:09 PM
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TheInnerLight wrote: The fix is in in college basketball. Accept it. This is why I hardly watch anymore. Watching some of these games has become like watching professional wrestling. This is the damned truth. I can take a missed call here or there, or even the occasional bad calls. But sometimes you watch these games and it seems as though the outcome is already pre-determined, much like pro rasslin'. I realize basketball is a tough sport to officiate. But sometimes it's obvious these guys are just making ish up as they go.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 2:25 PM
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StateFan03 wrote:Just watched the highlight here: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_ /id/8990165/big-12-review-last-minute-kansas-iowa- state-game-coordinator-officials-says
I actually like the no call on the charge. The mistake was the call on the loose ball rebound. That's my thought as well.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 2:47 PM
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I'm going to eat a little crow here. I think that could have been called a charge, but I don't really disagree with the no-call. It certainly wasn't a block. It was either a charge or nothing at all. He didn't "slam into" the guy or anything. There was a little contact, but not necessarily enough to be a definite charge.
As for the foul call underneath, those two guys were sitting on the floor. The Kansas player had the ball and was kicking it back out to a teammate. The ISU player (IMO) reached across his arms during that pass. So I think it was the right call.
If I'm an ISU fan, I'm furious. In this case, it wasn't called incorrectly, IMO. If the Big-12 reviews this and comes back with, "it was called correctly", I will be OK with that.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 2:48 PM
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Where'd Mad Guy go? He mad!
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Posted: 2/26/2013 2:53 PM
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Planet Boulder wrote: Where'd Mad Guy go? He mad! 
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Posted: 2/26/2013 2:54 PM
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It was truly as if the Ref's were doing every thing in their power to keep Kansas in the game
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At the start of the game maybe 2 minutes into the game, Self blew up at one official and was given a tech. He continued yelling for another 3 or 4 minutes after that. May have intimidated the refs and in the end got him what he needed.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 3:05 PM
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hunwolf wrote:
StateFan03 wrote:Just watched the highlight here: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_ /id/8990165/big-12-review-last-minute-kansas-iowa- state-game-coordinator-officials-says
I actually like the no call on the charge. The mistake was the call on the loose ball rebound. That's my thought as well. Let's say there's no defender there at all, but on his drive, another Iowa State defender comes in as he's going to lay it in and bodyblocks him out of bounds. It shouldn't be called, right? What if a guy hoists up a 30 footer and right before it goes in a defender smacks it away. No good. Why should it be goaltending? Perhaps because just like a block/charge call, pushing (or bodyblocking) and goaltending are rules that should be adhered to for the entire game, not just when refs or an opposing fanbase thinks they should. Saying the offensive player deserves a chance to get that shot off is not any more significant than a great defensive play against an out of control player who didn't have any idea of his surroundings.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 3:20 PM
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FLWolf88 wrote:
TexasWolfpack wrote:
TheInnerLight wrote:I came to the conclusion several years ago that college basketball is FIXED in some instances. The NCAA has a vested interest in keeping teams like Kansas, unc and dook at the top, so they have instructed the officials to make close and critical calls in favor of them. The officials are also instructed to do things like give the best player on the other team 2 or 3 ticky-tack fouls in the first half so he will have to sit. Then they even the # of fouls out during meaningless points in the game so things do not appear so one sided. It is a scam and an embarassment to the NCAA and college basketball in general. The fix is in in college basketball. Accept it. This is why I hardly watch anymore. Watching some of these games has become like watching professional wrestling. It's all about TV revenue and merchandise sales to the NCAA. I think one easy improvement is to go with 6 or 7 fouls to foul out. Very surprised this doesn't get more traction. Lessens impact of officiating on the game. As a fan - I want to see the best players on the court for the longest time competing; that goes for NC State and whoever we're playing. You answered why it does get more traction with the second bolded line. Why are you surprised?
College basketball is a sham. It is the only major sport where the game officials can take players out of the game. Sham! I'm surprised that more fans and non-media team coaches don't call for this. I get it while the favored teams like it the way it is or maybe teams like Kentucky that can sub in 4*/5* talent. However, we had a thread a while back on PP and it wasn't the slam dunk agreement I'd have expected. I found it odd that almost everyone complains of officiating - at best, wildly inconsistent, at worse, downright criminal. However, a lot of the posters were actually in favor of the status quo which gives the refs a lot more influence on games.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 3:28 PM
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bornredandwhite wrote: Amen Brother! That's exactly what I was thinking................ UndertheLongineClock wrote: ArmandJ wrote: . I have never seen anything like it. Be thankful you didn't watch the second half last year at Duke. Play at end of regulation reminded me of the Marshall "non"-charge.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 3:30 PM
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PackChem91 wrote: wolfgar wrote: vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd ed&v=fWkLlGjNNO0 Wow. Unbelievable. Not only to not call the charge, but then to call holding on the ISU player on the scramble. Usually guys are allowed to kill each other on scrambles...
I'm sure if you looked at every play/game, these calls somewhat even out, but it sure does seem the preponderance goes to the powers. I don't know that it's league orchestrated, so much as the refs are human too...surely they tend to get caught up in who's playing at times. Must've been Iowa State's "TENDENCIES" !!! Just ask the head of acc officials and Swoff.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 3:32 PM
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Planet Boulder wrote: sumerelcnu wrote: PretzelPack wrote: sumerelcnu wrote: So why do we give 2 ***** about a missed call in a Big 12 game that doesn't affect us one bit?
Oh that's right we need to add more credence to the fact that we never actually lose a game but the refs have screwed us out of every ******* one of them.
For ***** sake, get over it, we have to PLAY better. How come some people find it necessary to come on here and tell others what they should or shouldn't think. People took notice of this and have comments on it. The title of this thread is clear. If people have a problem with this thread/subject, then they can always choose to ignore it.
I personally give two *****, because games such as these shape seeding in the NCAA tournament. What if this loss keeps Iowa State from making it into the dance? How much money could this end up costing ISU? What about the supporters of ISU? If the teams like Kansas/Duke/uncch always get the calls and benefits, then why should the rest of us even watch the games or care? And people are getting tired of this ****, whether it is blatant corruption or incompetence in the officiating of these games. dude, seriously take off the tin foil hat. I doubt very seriously that had ISU won it would have changed their seeding that much, Kansas may move from a 2 to a 3 at most. Jesus Christ, we have some of the most deranged fans on earth, hell I could easily see one of our fans doing what the ISU fan attempted to do, we are that ******* bad. H He's prolly an acc ref.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 3:39 PM
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goturbackpack66 wrote: To me, this thread is interesting, and not so much to do with, how it affects Iowa St. seeding, or ours. Although, who knows it could. What this is about, is officiating, other than the ACC. Lord knows we hear so many complaints here about ACC officials, and how they favor the cheats and dookies. Obviously, it goes on elsewhere as well. Last night, it surely favored another dominant college basketball team. The question does seem to arise, is there something going on, that keeps some of these teams at the top? I am not qualified enough to answer that, but many a red flag has been raised. I sure hope this isn't the case, but I have to admit, I may be a bit more, than suspicious. You answered your own question. If refs account for 3-5 wins for any given program in a year, of course they will stay at the top. It's hard for the refs to do anything about a non-contact blowout, such as hitting 3-pointers like ISU was doing for a long time, but cheat when you can, and it will throw most games. Withey should've been on the bench with ISU momentum, instead, ISU's best rebounder went to the pine for the last several minutes.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 3:59 PM
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That was a terrible no call. But no less than Marshall's last year. In both cases the defenders were well, well established. No question. The only alternative is for the official to swallow their collective whistles. And that's got to be a directive from above .... in both cases.
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Posted: 2/26/2013 4:05 PM
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inevitably in cases like this there's a reprimand, occasionally suspensions, but nothing more
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