NeverQuitPacker wrote:

Rspnc wrote: You need to understand that the SBI has access to tools not generally available to local law enforcement.  Someone signed off on the grade changes.  If it was by PIN number on a computer system, they can track that.  IF it was an actual signature they can bring in a handwriting expert and compare it with others. They can question witnesses but the evidence they dig up will make those interrogations a lot more productive.  Plus they are unlikely to have tied up resources this long without something to show for the effort.

The SBI will follow the Martin model.  .  . they won't ask or trace the PIN numbers and just dismiss it as, "nothing here to see, move on".

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Rspnc wrote: Put things in perspective.  Not everyone is willing to gamble their career and longevity to coverup for some UNC administrators or faculty members.  Especially in light of the credibility hit the SBI Lab took recently. 

NeverQuitPacker wrote:

Rspnc wrote: You need to understand that the SBI has access to tools not generally available to local law enforcement.  Someone signed off on the grade changes.  If it was by PIN number on a computer system, they can track that.  IF it was an actual signature they can bring in a handwriting expert and compare it with others. They can question witnesses but the evidence they dig up will make those interrogations a lot more productive.  Plus they are unlikely to have tied up resources this long without something to show for the effort.

The SBI will follow the Martin model.  .  . they won't ask or trace the PIN numbers and just dismiss it as, "nothing here to see, move on".

Rspnc wrote: Put things in perspective.  Not everyone is willing to gamble their career and longevity to expose some UNC administrators or faculty members.

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Critics of Deaver say his return to work is premature and may signal a lack of seriousness by SBI officials.

"If they are actually putting Deaver back into a position where he is potentially affecting the outcome of cases, they are not serious about reforming what has gone on there for the last 20 years," said David Rudolf, a Charlotte lawyer.

Diane Savage, a Chapel Hill lawyer, asked whether the SBI would ever draw a line on Deaver.

"I guess the message is: Even if you cheat and ruin people's lives, you can keep your job," she said.

Rspnc wrote:

DA, SBI due for decision on UNC academic scandal

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Orange County District Attorney Jim Woodall was meeting Monday afternoon with investigators from the State Bureau of Investigation to decide if there will be criminal charges against former University of North Carolina employees who have been fingered as the culprits in a long-running academic scandal at the Chapel Hill campus.

Multiple investigations, both internal and external, have identified Professor Julius Nyang’oro, who served as chairman of the Department of African and Afro-American Studies, and his administrator Debbie Crowder, as the source of a pattern of abuses including unauthorized grades, forged signatures and courses where work was assigned and grades issued with little contact between professor and student.

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http://www.wral.com/da-sbi-due-for-decision-on-unc -academic-scandal/11099856/

TruthBKnownReturns wrote: The SBI wasn't performing the investigation that the NCAA should have been doing.  This is just about potential criminal activity.  It is what it is, but even at best, we shouldn't expect justice from an athletics point of view.

What I would like, though, is for the SBI to reveal SOMETHING that completely refutes what UN*C told the NCAA.  Something that proves they lied and/or covered up SOMETHING, and in an irrefutable fashion.  Then maybe we could work on getting the NCAA to come back under the guise of, "if they swept this or that under the rug, then what else?"

But it seems like the NCAA has already stated they don't care for information that was obtained via a means that they do not have (like via a subpoena).  So even if the SBI was to reveal some damning information, the NCAA may STILL ignore it.  Am I off base here?

NCSU91 wrote: If I forged 500 signatures would that be a problem?

CaptainRedbird wrote:

Will the DA really ignore state funded payments to N'yangoro for 15+ years of Bogus no show classes? How many hundreds of thousands can that really be? dUNCe officials have admitted no show classes by docking his pay by 12 grand in his final payout. Why not collect the money for all the years of fraud? Their may not be a criminal offense in academic fraud, but there is criminal intent when you are paid to do a state job, accept the money, and never teach. Someone should be held accountable for that. I don't see how the DA ignores that or the forgeries.

 

duckmanjw wrote: On the positive side, this type announcement normally is followed by Kane telling them everything they did wrong.

TruthBKnownReturns wrote:

duckmanjw wrote: On the positive side, this type announcement normally is followed by Kane telling them everything they did wrong.

Which is normally followed by crickets chirping.

redterrors04 wrote:

TruthBKnownReturns wrote:

duckmanjw wrote: On the positive side, this type announcement normally is followed by Kane telling them everything they did wrong.

Which is normally followed by crickets chirping.

exactly yet people love them some articles

apackfan69 wrote: Give it up guys. It's over. Nobody more than me wanted them to go down in a big way. It's not going to happen, period! They got away with it. Kane has shot all his bullets, and the NCAA is through with them. They have spent millions of dollars buying off people to be able to get away with it. The local newspaper tried, and failed, some of the National newspapers tried and failed. The local, and national TV networks won't touch it. The NCAA gave them a slap om the wrist in football, and they still came out okay. All the people(except Roy)who were involved in this scandal are gone, and I am betting are financially set for life. Since they got away with it, you can be sure they will go right back to cheating again. This time though, they will learn from the mistakes they made and the cover up will be even deeper. Get ready boys, things are going to get much worse for all the State fans who love to see UNC fail. Look for 2 or 3 big time basketball recruit, and a couple of 5 star football players to commit within the next year.

ProfessorWolf wrote:

NCSU91 wrote: If I forged 500 signatures would that be a problem?

You know what.... That is a really good question. The infamous orange form (which is the grade change form at State) is configured for one student and one grade change per form. If they use a similarly structured form, that WOULD mean 500 individually signed (or forged) grade change forms. I had never thought of it that way until I read your post. I had been thinking along the lines of a few spreadsheets with changes submitted but, in hindsight, that is not even how we handle the INCOMPLETES grades on our campus.

apackfan69 wrote: Give it up guys. It's over. Nobody more than me wanted them to go down in a big way. It's not going to happen, period! They got away with it. Kane has shot all his bullets, and the NCAA is through with them. They have spent millions of dollars buying off people to be able to get away with it. The local newspaper tried, and failed, some of the National newspapers tried and failed. The local, and national TV networks won't touch it. The NCAA gave them a slap om the wrist in football, and they still came out okay. All the people(except Roy)who were involved in this scandal are gone, and I am betting are financially set for life. Since they got away with it, you can be sure they will go right back to cheating again. This time though, they will learn from the mistakes they made and the cover up will be even deeper. Get ready boys, things are going to get much worse for all the State fans who love to see UNC fail. Look for 2 or 3 big time basketball recruit, and a couple of 5 star football players to commit within the next year.

apackfan69 wrote: Give it up guys. It's over. Nobody more than me wanted them to go down in a big way. It's not going to happen, period! They got away with it.

DrummerboyWolf wrote: I don't believe that which I have bolded to be the case.  Again from someone who would be in a position to know, Dan Kane is not done and the N & O is not through.  No specifics, but there are still some bullets in the chamber.

apackfan69 wrote: Give it up guys. It's over. Nobody more than me wanted them to go down in a big way. It's not going to happen, period! They got away with it. Kane has shot all his bullets, and the NCAA is through with them. They have spent millions of dollars buying off people to be able to get away with it. The local newspaper tried, and failed, some of the National newspapers tried and failed. The local, and national TV networks won't touch it. The NCAA gave them a slap om the wrist in football, and they still came out okay. All the people(except Roy)who were involved in this scandal are gone, and I am betting are financially set for life. Since they got away with it, you can be sure they will go right back to cheating again. This time though, they will learn from the mistakes they made and the cover up will be even deeper. Get ready boys, things are going to get much worse for all the State fans who love to see UNC fail. Look for 2 or 3 big time basketball recruit, and a couple of 5 star football players to commit within the next year.

52Fan wrote: Well, you all DO know that the Orange County DA, Jim Woodall is an Alumnus of.....you guessed it....UNC-CH.

TruthBKnownReturns wrote: The question is, are the "bullets" going to continue to be shot into the air where they land harmlessly in the woods?  Or will any of them ever hit an actual intended target?

RedLight wrote:

apackfan69 wrote: Give it up guys. It's over. Nobody more than me wanted them to go down in a big way. It's not going to happen, period! They got away with it.

If I had a dollar for every time someone said this was over I could retire early.

BlackRazor wrote:

TruthBKnownReturns wrote: The question is, are the "bullets" going to continue to be shot into the air where they land harmlessly in the woods?  Or will any of them ever hit an actual intended target?

Good question but I'm happy to read/discuss them here.

Like Prof has stated, we'll see who UNC picks to replace Thorp - maybe that man or woman will tire of the constant bad PR, rip the band aid off so they can really start to heal?

TruthBKnownReturns wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

TruthBKnownReturns wrote: The question is, are the "bullets" going to continue to be shot into the air where they land harmlessly in the woods?  Or will any of them ever hit an actual intended target?

Good question but I'm happy to read/discuss them here.

Like Prof has stated, we'll see who UNC picks to replace Thorp - maybe that man or woman will tire of the constant bad PR, rip the band aid off so they can really start to heal?

I'm still happy to read/discuss them, too.  I'm just sick and tired of being disappointed when NOTHING happens after each big revelation, and the bitterness shows in my posts.  (I'm not trying to hide it, either!)

I know what will happen.  They will pick someone that is the epitome of the WORST possible choice they could make (from our viewpoint), and we'll be in meltdown mode for a few days, and then it will fade away.

KatieDeac wrote:

CaptainRedbird wrote:

Will the DA really ignore state funded payments to N'yangoro for 15+ years of Bogus no show classes? How many hundreds of thousands can that really be? dUNCe officials have admitted no show classes by docking his pay by 12 grand in his final payout. Why not collect the money for all the years of fraud? Their may not be a criminal offense in academic fraud, but there is criminal intent when you are paid to do a state job, accept the money, and never teach. Someone should be held accountable for that. I don't see how the DA ignores that or the forgeries.

 

I wonder if these classes were set up with a link missing in the chain:  they could have set up these bogus classes just for the purpose of getting the athletes into them, being able to give them good grades to keep them eligible but not completing all the paper work etc. for payroll to issue a check.  The 'salary" probably came from another source.
Prof....can you provide an insight on this angle.   thanks

ProfessorWolf wrote:

RedLight wrote:

apackfan69 wrote: Give it up guys. It's over. Nobody more than me wanted them to go down in a big way. It's not going to happen, period! They got away with it.

If I had a dollar for every time someone said this was over I could retire early.

Post-Valvano issue, we didn't know the full extent of the damage to State for years... it took that long for academic restrictions on recruiting and eligibility to be felt. Those effects were felt for at least a decade. This is a long ways from being over.

By the way... as I type this, an email just arrived from our compliance office seeking the next round of academic reports on athletes in my class. Debbie's staff is to be commended for staying on top of compliance.

TruthBKnownReturns wrote:

52Fan wrote: Well, you all DO know that the Orange County DA, Jim Woodall is an Alumnus of.....you guessed it....UNC-CH.

I keep thinking that SOMEONE along the way will actually care enough about doing the right thing that they won't let their allegiance to the Hole prevent them from doing it.  I know, it's pie in the sky, but someone has to have some integrity, don't they?  Someone?  ANYONE?

JohnBaker wrote: 'UNC sexual assault victim faces possible expulsion for speaking out'  yahoo.com

A University of North Carolina sexual assault victim has been charged with violating the school's honor code and creating a hostile environment for her attacker by speaking out about her ordeal.

NCSU91 wrote: 
... A grade change at a University should be a serious issue in my mind...

Treyvon wrote:

JohnBaker wrote: 'UNC sexual assault victim faces possible expulsion for speaking out'  yahoo.com

A University of North Carolina sexual assault victim has been charged with violating the school's honor code and creating a hostile environment for her attacker by speaking out about her ordeal.

You gotta be ******** me.

DrummerboyWolf wrote: Oh some of the bullets have hit the target.  Their reputation is damaged.  They have an accrediting agency that is looking for some right answers or they are going to be on probation.  They have lost a head football coach, associate head coach, a chancellor, a major fundraiser, along with many others.  They may skate from the NCAA but to say they have not been harmed by the scandal is being naive.  And the thing about it we're still talking about it and if the Drake group gets involved, then they are not going easy into the night either.

JohnBaker wrote: 'UNC sexual assault victim faces possible expulsion for speaking out'  yahoo.com

A University of North Carolina sexual assault victim has been charged with violating the school's honor code and creating a hostile environment for her attacker by speaking out about her ordeal.

DrummerboyWolf wrote: Oh some of the bullets have hit the target.  Their reputation is damaged.  They have an accrediting agency that is looking for some right answers or they are going to be on probation.  They have lost a head football coach, associate head coach, a chancellor, a major fundraiser, along with many others.  They may skate from the NCAA but to say they have not been harmed by the scandal is being naive.  And the thing about it we're still talking about it and if the Drake group gets involved, then they are not going easy into the night either.

TruthBKnownReturns wrote:

52Fan wrote: Well, you all DO know that the Orange County DA, Jim Woodall is an Alumnus of.....you guessed it....UNC-CH.

I keep thinking that SOMEONE along the way will actually care enough about doing the right thing that they won't let their allegiance to the Hole prevent them from doing it.  I know, it's pie in the sky, but someone has to have some integrity, don't they?  Someone?  ANYONE?