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WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:43 PM
WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
DA, SBI due for decision on UNC academic scandal
Orange County District Attorney Jim Woodall was meeting Monday afternoon with investigators from the State Bureau of Investigation to decide if there will be criminal charges against former University of North Carolina employees who have been fingered as the culprits in a long-running academic scandal at the Chapel Hill campus. Multiple investigations, both internal and external, have identified Professor Julius Nyang’oro, who served as chairman of the Department of African and Afro-American Studies, and his administrator Debbie Crowder, as the source of a pattern of abuses including unauthorized grades, forged signatures and courses where work was assigned and grades issued with little contact between professor and student.
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Last edited 2/25/2013 3:45 PM by Rspnc
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:45 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Don't expect justice.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:56 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Justice ain't coming, folks.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:56 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
"No irregularities"
"Isolated incident"
etc...
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:56 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
the best thing that could happen would be for Nyang’oro to be charged. he won't go down alone.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 4:03 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Just tell those that are involved that are sitting back and collecting a state employee pension that they frauded the State of NC and will no longer receive the $$$. I wonder if anybody would be willing to spill the beans then???
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Posted: 2/25/2013 4:04 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Like any other law enforcement agency, the SBI presents evidence of criminal activity and the DA decides whether to bring charges and prosecute. Not as easy as it might appear as the DA's job may be on the line with this one if he chooses badly. I would not count on anything remaining secret, and that is the dagger hanging over the DA's head if he decides not to bring charges and clear evidence comes out to the public later.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 4:05 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
bppack wrote: the best thing that could happen would be for Nyang’oro to be charged. he won't go down alone. Nyang'oro is never setting foot in the US again...Crowder is the one we need to hope gets charged. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 4:05 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Outside of Dan Kane, NO ONE, in a position of power to hold UNC accountable has come close to doing so. Most oversight groups have simply remained silent. Anyone expecting that to change will once again be dissappointed. Prepare youself for a rubber-stamp seal of approval.
The powers that be in this state are steeled and determined to shield UNC from any major harm come hell or high water. And the relatively small contingent of NC State supporters demanding justice qualify as neither.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 4:25 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Rspnc wrote: Like any other law enforcement agency, the SBI presents evidence of criminal activity and the DA decides whether to bring charges and prosecute. Not as easy as it might appear as the DA's job may be on the line with this one if he chooses badly. I would not count on anything remaining secret, and that is the dagger hanging over the DA's head if he decides not to bring charges and clear evidence comes out to the public later. Academic fraud is not necessarily a criminal violation. The only obvious charge would be Nyan'goro accepting money for instructing a class that never met and was not taught according to the criteria the university expected. This could be considered embezzlement as he accepted payment for a job he never did. Of course, that would require his superiors to be in the dark. If he did so with their knowledge and/or approval then no crime occurred. The only other issue I can think of might be some sort of Pell grant fraud, but that would involve the Feds and not the SBI. UNC better be clean if the FBI comes calling...
Last edited 2/25/2013 4:26 PM by RedLight
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Posted: 2/25/2013 4:31 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
No decision yet. Maybe tomorrow or later this week.
The color is still CHEATER BLUE in honor of Davis, Baddour, Thorp, the uncch BOT, Nyang'oro, Ross & unc BOG, and Martin - Who will clean up uncch* Will it be SACS ?- To seem, rather than to be.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 4:37 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Definitely not holding my breath on this one.
We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments."
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Posted: 2/25/2013 4:39 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Agreed all. If something bad happens to UNC in this, it will be the first time.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 4:42 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
The SBI wasn't performing the investigation that the NCAA should have been doing. This is just about potential criminal activity. It is what it is, but even at best, we shouldn't expect justice from an athletics point of view.
What I would like, though, is for the SBI to reveal SOMETHING that completely refutes what UN*C told the NCAA. Something that proves they lied and/or covered up SOMETHING, and in an irrefutable fashion. Then maybe we could work on getting the NCAA to come back under the guise of, "if they swept this or that under the rug, then what else?"
But it seems like the NCAA has already stated they don't care for information that was obtained via a means that they do not have (like via a subpoena). So even if the SBI was to reveal some damning information, the NCAA may STILL ignore it. Am I off base here?
Last edited 2/25/2013 4:43 PM by TruthBKnownReturns
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Posted: 2/25/2013 5:11 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal
If WRAL broke this, it can only be good news for the Holes.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 5:15 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal
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If WRAL broke this, it can only be good news for the Holes.
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Yep
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Posted: 2/25/2013 5:29 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
RedLight wrote:
Rspnc wrote: Like any other law enforcement agency, the SBI presents evidence of criminal activity and the DA decides whether to bring charges and prosecute. Not as easy as it might appear as the DA's job may be on the line with this one if he chooses badly. I would not count on anything remaining secret, and that is the dagger hanging over the DA's head if he decides not to bring charges and clear evidence comes out to the public later. Academic fraud is not necessarily a criminal violation. The only obvious charge would be Nyan'goro accepting money for instructing a class that never met and was not taught according to the criteria the university expected. This could be considered embezzlement as he accepted payment for a job he never did. Of course, that would require his superiors to be in the dark. If he did so with their knowledge and/or approval then no crime occurred.
The only other issue I can think of might be some sort of Pell grant fraud, but that would involve the Feds and not the SBI. UNC better be clean if the FBI comes calling... Obtaining property by false pretenses would be the most likely charge. "Here stands baseball's perfect warrior. Here stands baseball's perfect knight." - Ford C. Frick referring to Stan Musial.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 5:39 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal
5452wolf wrote: If WRAL broke this, it can only be good news for the Holes. ^ This. If it was anything other than good news they would only run it as a short ticker at the bottom of the newscast every 15 minutes. "Winning an argument on the internet is a lot like ****ing a microwaved grapefruit.You may be happy you did it, but do you really want to tell anyone?"
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Posted: 2/25/2013 5:41 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
sbpack wrote: Don't expect justice. this, I'm done expecting the right thing to be done. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chapel Hill is burning and I'm toasting marshmallows
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Posted: 2/25/2013 5:43 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Folks just move on..cause it looks like everyone else has.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 6:08 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
the DA was probably just sitting in with the SBI to find out what they knew so he could report back to the CHeats. I will be surprised if anything happens. However, I am hoping for the truth.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 6:43 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
I'm expecting the same ol BS like the Martin report but my God the SBI has been working on this a long time to come up with nothing.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 7:14 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
I do expect some action....that translates into "scape goat" which then takes away any blame on the athletic department which is where the blame should be placed. Look for Nyang'oro to be the sacrificial lamb and then the athletics department can wash their hands of the whole thing.
Gee Gee
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Posted: 2/25/2013 7:25 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Most believe that the NCAA wants this to go away. If the DA/SBI looks at this and doesn't do anything, the the NCAA will follow suit IMO. If the DA/SBI does pursue this, then the NCAA will wait until the verdict. I don't think the NCAA does anything unless they have to. And they won't have to unless the DA/SBI decide to pursue this AND win. BackNine wrote: Outside of Dan Kane, NO ONE, in a position of power to hold UNC accountable has come close to doing so. Most oversight groups have simply remained silent. Anyone expecting that to change will once again be dissappointed. Prepare youself for a rubber-stamp seal of approval.
The powers that be in this state are steeled and determined to shield UNC from any major harm come hell or high water. And the relatively small contingent of NC State supporters demanding justice qualify as neither. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 7:25 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
If I forged 500 signatures would that be a problem?
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Posted: 2/25/2013 7:29 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
I expect a full apology from all involved to UNC-CHeat for even asking them questions. And whenever a report IS issued expect multiple statements that begin with the term "We could find no evidence of..."
Of course I have found no evidence of dog poop in my yard, but that's mostly because I haven't looked for any.
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If You See Kay - tell her I love her.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 7:49 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
I still want to know who forged the signatures on the grade change sheets. I know folks say Crowder did that, but I do not recall seeing any proof about that. Why wouldn't the NCAA be interested in that, if the changes kept any players eligible? Also, why wouldn't the SBI or FBI be interested in that (depending on which financial support system was violated)?
The downfall of every great society has always been immediately preceeded by a significant increase in the number of lawyers.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 7:58 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Posted a few comments on the WRAL site several hours ago and still nothing. Touchy bunch on the GOLO site.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 8:33 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
NCSU91 wrote: If I forged 500 signatures would that be a problem? You know what.... That is a really good question. The infamous orange form (which is the grade change form at State) is configured for one student and one grade change per form. If they use a similarly structured form, that WOULD mean 500 individually signed (or forged) grade change forms. I had never thought of it that way until I read your post. I had been thinking along the lines of a few spreadsheets with changes submitted but, in hindsight, that is not even how we handle the INCOMPLETES grades on our campus.
Standard Disclaimer Applies: Just my opinion and there is a 50% chance I'm wrong. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 8:39 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
When driving through Chapel Hill people, just look the other way. Everyone else does.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 8:40 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
They could be postering prior to announcing charges.
Lets say they met to discuss which charge would stick, which ones were weak, etc. Those interviewed have lawyers. They could now go back to them and say this is what we have on your client, and here are their options. we'll offer you something to give others up or rather than do the purp walk, we'll let you turn yourself in. Give the parties a day or two to discuss with their attorney what they should do.
If this was a clear wash, they would have ended it today.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 8:43 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
On the positive side, this type announcement normally is followed by Kane telling them everything they did wrong.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 8:49 PM
RE: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Isn't this investigation several months old? Like 6+ months? If it's bogus, why not release it in conjunction with the Martin Report to give either some validity? There may be something there.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 8:51 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
But this is the first time, give them a break!  ___________________________________________________________________
My heroes have always been plowboys
Last edited 2/25/2013 9:14 PM by 83grad
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Posted: 2/25/2013 9:00 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
UNC can pretty much do anything that they want and get away with it. It must be nice to be able to cheat and know that you can get away with it. Just make sure anyone involved is paid off and they leave the university so that they no longer have to talk. Don't expect the SBI to get any more information out of those involved.
Now it is time for the BOG to approve expansions to the Dean Dome. Just think if it was NCSU asking for more money.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 9:38 PM
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Will the DA really ignore state funded payments to N'yangoro for 15+ years of Bogus no show classes? How many hundreds of thousands can that really be? dUNCe officials have admitted no show classes by docking his pay by 12 grand in his final payout. Why not collect the money for all the years of fraud? Their may not be a criminal offense in academic fraud, but there is criminal intent when you are paid to do a state job, accept the money, and never teach. Someone should be held accountable for that. I don't see how the DA ignores that or the forgeries.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 9:54 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
You need to understand that the SBI has access to tools not generally available to local law enforcement. Someone signed off on the grade changes. If it was by PIN number on a computer system, they can track that. IF it was an actual signature they can bring in a handwriting expert and compare it with others. They can question witnesses but the evidence they dig up will make those interrogations a lot more productive. Plus they are unlikely to have tied up resources this long without something to show for the effort. PackBacker1 wrote: UNC can pretty much do anything that they want and get away with it. It must be nice to be able to cheat and know that you can get away with it. Just make sure anyone involved is paid off and they leave the university so that they no longer have to talk. Don't expect the SBI to get any more information out of those involved.
Now it is time for the BOG to approve expansions to the Dean Dome. Just think if it was NCSU asking for more money. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 9:57 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
bhaabbhhhaahhhahh.....criminal charges against UNC are you kidding me.
Whatever happened to Elaine Marshall's hard hitting SOS investigation by the way. These people are better skaters than Alexander Semin
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Posted: 2/25/2013 9:59 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Rspnc wrote: You need to understand that the SBI has access to tools not generally available to local law enforcement. Someone signed off on the grade changes. If it was by PIN number on a computer system, they can track that. IF it was an actual signature they can bring in a handwriting expert and compare it with others. They can question witnesses but the evidence they dig up will make those interrogations a lot more productive. Plus they are unlikely to have tied up resources this long without something to show for the effort.
The SBI will follow the Martin model. . . they won't ask or trace the PIN numbers and just dismiss it as, "nothing here to see, move on". 
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Posted: 2/25/2013 10:55 PM
Re: WRAL: DA, SBI due for decision on UNC Academic Scandal LINK
Put things in perspective. Not everyone is willing to gamble their career and longevity to coverup for some UNC administrators or faculty members. Especially in light of the credibility hit the SBI Lab took recently. NeverQuitPacker wrote:
Rspnc wrote: You need to understand that the SBI has access to tools not generally available to local law enforcement. Someone signed off on the grade changes. If it was by PIN number on a computer system, they can track that. IF it was an actual signature they can bring in a handwriting expert and compare it with others. They can question witnesses but the evidence they dig up will make those interrogations a lot more productive. Plus they are unlikely to have tied up resources this long without something to show for the effort.
The SBI will follow the Martin model. . . they won't ask or trace the PIN numbers and just dismiss it as, "nothing here to see, move on". |
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