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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:39 PM
Re: North Carolina State to the Big 10? (opinons wanted)
I have no interest at all in joining the B1G. My preference is a stable and strong ACC headed by an impartial Commissioner with ties to no school and committed to all of them as one.....and that John Swofford would disappear into a black hole in outer space. If Carolina and Virginia are stupid enough to jump to the Big Ten, they and Maryland can have it. I believe the ACC is well situated, that Carolina and Virginia and Georgia Tech are staying put, and that Maryland will soon be in the throes of buyer's remorse. If I am wrong and the ACC falls apart, I am confident NC State and Virginia Tech would receive invitations to the SEC.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:48 PM
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Otter74 wrote: I think the Big Ten would be a good move. I would rank things like this...
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Posted: 2/24/2013 10:29 PM
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lumberpack3 wrote:
direwolfpack wrote: I'd be willing to bet that if we joined the Big 10 that AAU membership would be a foregone conclusion within a couple of years. State would step up it's game and Duke and U*NC's objections would be overridden. Speaking of which has the AAU issued a statement regarding one of it's member institutions handing out degrees like tic tacs?
wolfpacksports wrote: I thought it was fairly widely publicized that the Big Ten as a conference, and by that I mean the group of university presidents that collectively make decisions, places a high value on membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities (AAU). Although NC State aspires to become a member of this organization, as yet it is not.
In the current ACC, besides Maryland, which is of course already accepted by the B10, only UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, and Virginia are members of the AAU. Future ACC member Pittsburgh is as well. Most discussions of possible jumps to the Big Ten (12?, 14?) conference are limited to these schools as potential candidates. When GT made it into the AAU back in 2010, NC State was also on the ballot and came up one vote shy. The scuttlebutt has been the ole Duke blackball. The AAU has also been in the process of changing the way they value research making it very difficult to get into the AAU or stay in the AAU without a research hospital. Nebraska was thrown out, Syracuse left before being thrown out.
While NC State and Va Tech are very similar to a number Big 10 universities, entering the Big 10 is no guarantee since you need a 3/4 vote to get into the AAU. Why do you think Duke might have done this? On every level it sounds spiteful and counterproductive to regional interests.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 10:36 PM
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SEC-YES
BIG10-NO
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:02 PM
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Tired of conference realignments
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:05 PM
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Compared to the ACC, I like the B10.
If Swofford and everyone in the ACC office would be fired, I would like the ACC again.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:06 PM
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No...... Stay in the ACC.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:24 PM
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Tired of conference realignments
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I'm the same. It's getting old. And all driven by money. No regard for the student athlete or fans.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:29 PM
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Totally agree. The ACC has too many yankee schools already. SEC, Big 12, or bust. DiggerNCSU94 wrote: Uhhhh ok.
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Not no but hell no under any circumstance. The ACC is becomming enough of a yankee league. Go south (SEC) or stay at home.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:32 PM
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I think it would be a good idea. They seem very balanced in both football and basketball. Go to the Big 10, and we'll be a consistent top 10 team in basketball and a top 25 team in football.
Don't know what the fascination is with the SEC. Some people must be having masochistic fantasies of getting beat by 30 points by the upper SEC echelon.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:37 PM
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PlainsandLakes wrote: No, this is not "inside information" or "sources." Let me say that from the Big 10, I want to respect everyone's sensitivities of wanting to stay in their home conference, the ACC, which has had long-term current and historical merit.
I am sure that many of you have heard the UVA, UNC, Ga Tech, and maybe Duke or FSU to-the-Big 10 stuff. But the but PACK ( and Hokies) bring a great deal to the table and forget that AAU/academic exclusion, because NCS and Va Tech "bring a great deal to the table." They would not constantly be mentioned as SEC or Big 12 candidates otherwise. If the SEC gets UNC and Virginia (a far-from-impossible scenario), then things could (will) get very interesting. Some people are so sure that something will happen, and exlude the possibility of what could happen.
I wrote this because I thought there would be value from some thoughtful input of the board.  "Only babies and bit**es wear that shade of blue..."
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:20 AM
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B1G is my 1st choice if the ACC folds. I'm concerned that we wouldn't be "allowed" to be competitive in the SEC because the BOG would require us to have admission standards more restrictive than the SEC has.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:22 AM
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No
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:42 AM
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goturbackpack66 wrote: For Gods sake, I hope not!! We are a southern University, and I could take a SEC transfer. Damn, look at West Virginia, in the Big 12. A huge mistake if we ever considered the big 10. Actually, I want to see us in the ACC. Yeah we have some problems, but in basketball, we are going to be awesome. Even our football could very well be on the upswing, with Louisville, and possibly getting ND. as a full football member. Pitt and the Cuse, also seem to be improving in football. Is West Virginia making less money in the Big XII than they were in the Big East? I don't think location is that big of a deal anymore because of air travel and the large amounts of money schools are getting from sports now. NC State flying to Iowa, or Oklahoma would be no worse than flying to Mizzouri. UCLA could join the ACC and it wouldn't be that big of a deal anymore. Also, I don't really think we have any problems with football besides maybe we need Miami and FSU to be a little better again. Not having the past 7 national champions in our league really isn't a problem. That just means the ACC isn't the best football conference right now, but they never have been. Michigan, USC, Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, etc have always been better than us. A lot of the talk on here is based on everyone having fantasies about beating Alabama in Raleigh and not really anything else. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:56 AM
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PackBacker77 wrote: Not no but hell no under any circumstance. The ACC is becomming enough of a yankee league. Go south (SEC) or stay at home. Yankee league? You realize there are zero B1G teams in New England or New York, right? |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:58 AM
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Pacfanweb wrote: Totally agree. The ACC has too many yankee schools already. SEC, Big 12, or bust.
DiggerNCSU94 wrote: Uhhhh ok.
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Not no but hell no under any circumstance. The ACC is becomming enough of a yankee league. Go south (SEC) or stay at home.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 6:22 AM
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aevanee wrote:
Pacfanweb wrote: Totally agree. The ACC has too many yankee schools already. SEC, Big 12, or bust.
DiggerNCSU94 wrote: Uhhhh ok.
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Not no but hell no under any circumstance. The ACC is becomming enough of a yankee league. Go south (SEC) or stay at home.
--------------------------------------------- What kind of person (living in the US) thinks people living in the midwest are yankees? Pennsylvania is not yankee territory, and even if it was WVU is like a 10 min drive from the border. Here's one of many. My college roommate at State was from PA and was a self-proclaimed 'Proud Yankee.' My ex-sister in law was an obnoxious Yankee from Ohio, and she knew it too.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 6:36 AM
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i don't want to be involved with any conference that includes maryland. i'd rather join the wac.
Their is still more to come. I cannot say but more is coming.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 7:12 AM
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oldtrenchfighter wrote: i don't want to be involved with any conference that includes maryland. i'd rather join the wac. +++ |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 9:34 AM
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Good info. Thank you! --------------------------------------------- --- lumberpack3 wrote: Planet Boulder wrote:
lumberpack3 wrote:
direwolfpack wrote: I'd be willing to bet that if we joined the Big 10 that AAU membership would be a foregone conclusion within a couple of years. State would step up it's game and Duke and U*NC's objections would be overridden. Speaking of which has the AAU issued a statement regarding one of it's member institutions handing out degrees like tic tacs?
wolfpacksports wrote: I thought it was fairly widely publicized that the Big Ten as a conference, and by that I mean the group of university presidents that collectively make decisions, places a high value on membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities (AAU). Although NC State aspires to become a member of this organization, as yet it is not.
In the current ACC, besides Maryland, which is of course already accepted by the B10, only UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, and Virginia are members of the AAU. Future ACC member Pittsburgh is as well. Most discussions of possible jumps to the Big Ten (12?, 14?) conference are limited to these schools as potential candidates. When GT made it into the AAU back in 2010, NC State was also on the ballot and came up one vote shy. The scuttlebutt has been the ole Duke blackball. The AAU has also been in the process of changing the way they value research making it very difficult to get into the AAU or stay in the AAU without a research hospital. Nebraska was thrown out, Syracuse left before being thrown out.
While NC State and Va Tech are very similar to a number Big 10 universities, entering the Big 10 is no guarantee since you need a 3/4 vote to get into the AAU. lumber - I thought Nebraska had a really good research hospital in Omaha? Nebraska had other problems - some attached directly to their boss man. The AAU was at 63 members back in 2009 when they decided to change formulas and they also informally decided to shrink membership to around 60. The schools on the cusp at the time were NC State, GT, Rennsler, Cincy, and Boston U. These all have more research intensive and have more research dollars than the bottom 5-8 AAU schools. Nebraska was kicked out in 2010 and GT voted into the AAU in 2010. Syracuse left in 2011. Boston U made it in last December on a very quiet, almost under the table vote. Kansas may get voted out soon. I think whatever chance NC State had, left with MD to the Big 10 - we needed that vote, becasue we have never had Duke's (at least, that's what I've always been told). There are three main constituent groups in the AAU - the California group, the Big 10 and the Boston area group. You can't get in if any of these groups oppose you. Southern schools - for obvious historic reasons - are disproportionately left out of the AAU and the AAU main reason for being is to keep federal funds flowing to AAU-only schools. So if you look at things now, the group is still attempting to shrink to 60 and is at 62 or 63 - not sure. Now, I think you can make a case for tossing out Toronto and McGill, but from a practical standpoint - I think you will have to see Kansas or Iowa State, or Brandies leave before NC State gets in, and with a consistent blackball, Rennsler is probably next. The Big 10 can't manipulate the AAU to give AAU status to a target expansion school. They can block AAU status, but they are too few give you entrance - you need around 45-48 votes depending on who all vote. FWIW - here are their so-called admission standards: www.aau.edu/WorkArea/Do...t.aspx?id=10972Now if we go by annual competitive funding alone, along with PhD production, NCSU would rank about 50-55th, so you can see this is tweaked and twisted. USDA money is not counted the same way that other funds are counted and funding today is tied heavily to medical/pharmacuetical research. ---------------------------------------------
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Posted: 2/25/2013 10:06 AM
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packfanstk wrote: I have no interest at all in joining the B1G. My preference is a stable and strong ACC headed by an impartial Commissioner with ties to no school and committed to all of them as one.....and that John Swofford would disappear into a black hole in outer space. If Carolina and Virginia are stupid enough to jump to the Big Ten, they and Maryland can have it. I believe the ACC is well situated, that Carolina and Virginia and Georgia Tech are staying put, and that Maryland will soon be in the throes of buyer's remorse. If I am wrong and the ACC falls apart, I am confident NC State and Virginia Tech would receive invitations to the SEC. That's kind of how I see it as well. Should the UNC and UVA leave the ACC for the Big 10, then I'd officially be for joining the SEC. If we didn't do that, I'd actually be happier staying in the ACC than joining the Big10. I have virtually no interest in playing most of the Big 10 schools, and suspect the Big10 schools feel the same way about NC State. There's one thing that doesn't make sense to me in all of this. MD fought against the ACC (UNC) cabal for years. They've also had a friendly rivalry with UVA. Why would they be in support of those two schools joining? It just doesn't make a lot of sense. As Lumber mentions, I think the AAU is completely rigged. The Big 10 membership is very skewed, and then there are obvious choices that should be in there that aren't. I also think the lack of a medical school is really holding NC State back. I still don't understand how ECU can have one and NC State doesn't. What next from the UNC system? App? |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 10:12 AM
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Could the b1g be targeting up to ten acc schools bringing it to 24 members. (UVA, vt, unc, state, duke, fsu,Miami, gt, Clem, Syr), since it is all about tv money and new markets for the b1g network.
With such a large conference as above, they would seemingly have no trouble getting subscribers. Most if not all sports fans would want this channel.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 10:48 AM
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RaleighBound wrote:
lumberpack3 wrote:
direwolfpack wrote: I'd be willing to bet that if we joined the Big 10 that AAU membership would be a foregone conclusion within a couple of years. State would step up it's game and Duke and U*NC's objections would be overridden. Speaking of which has the AAU issued a statement regarding one of it's member institutions handing out degrees like tic tacs?
wolfpacksports wrote: I thought it was fairly widely publicized that the Big Ten as a conference, and by that I mean the group of university presidents that collectively make decisions, places a high value on membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities (AAU). Although NC State aspires to become a member of this organization, as yet it is not.
In the current ACC, besides Maryland, which is of course already accepted by the B10, only UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, and Virginia are members of the AAU. Future ACC member Pittsburgh is as well. Most discussions of possible jumps to the Big Ten (12?, 14?) conference are limited to these schools as potential candidates. When GT made it into the AAU back in 2010, NC State was also on the ballot and came up one vote shy. The scuttlebutt has been the ole Duke blackball. The AAU has also been in the process of changing the way they value research making it very difficult to get into the AAU or stay in the AAU without a research hospital. Nebraska was thrown out, Syracuse left before being thrown out.
While NC State and Va Tech are very similar to a number Big 10 universities, entering the Big 10 is no guarantee since you need a 3/4 vote to get into the AAU. Why do you think Duke might have done this? On every level it sounds spiteful and counterproductive to regional interests. RB - Duke has never been our friend. We are in direct competition with Duke in ways we are not with UNC-Ch. Trinity has never been a friend to NC A&M, NC State College, or NCSU. It's easy to see the direct competition over in Chapel Hill, but we too often take our eye off the other - remember, Brutus had Cassius. The Duke blackball has been on display in public in the past with Phi Beta Kappa. If you don't understand the nature of the competition - look no further than Duke's "Harry Potter" fabric.
I like the athletic type.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 11:06 AM
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This is a moot point. The ACC is on a stronger footing than some realize. I really don't see anyone leaving.
While the Big 10 has a lot of positives, it is not a good fit for State. Remember how some ACC schools complain about the "Carolina Mafia"? (And State is included in that. They are referring to the state, not the school). We would be the ones complaining in the Big 10. It is a mid-west centric conference and adding a couple of Eastern and Upper South schools will not change that. Penn St has been uneasy with this for years. I suspect Maryland will find they traded one perceived bias for another.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 11:07 AM
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F-off and go away with this nonsense.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 11:14 AM
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If we leave the ACC or the ACC folds, I am done with college sports. I have had enough of the constant upheaval in pursuit of more TV revenue. How is it remotely enjoyable when traditional rivals are not going to play any more?
At least with pro sports any team leaving a city is usually understandable.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 11:22 AM
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So why has Duke been such a thorn in our side from an AAU standpoint. All three local schools have shared programs and even faculty. Does Duke just get a thrill from playing the superiority card?
Regarding a move to anywhere - it ain't happeing. The ACC is not going to fall apart and NO ONE else is leaving. Not UNC, not UVA, FSU.....No One! I don't care what rumors you see out there. This conference is and always has been, bound together by a lot more than football saturdays. That may be the life blood in SEC country. And why not? They needed something from an economic viewpoint to bolster those locales and universities. Football has delivered for them....perhaps a little too much. Now they are beholden to it and its taken on a life of its own that's equivalent to the life of the universities themselves. For better or worse, that's just not who the ACC is (or BIG or PAC for that matter). The ACC will remain intact and strong....even if we don't win a Football Natty Title very often. Its gotten to the point that only a handful of schools CAN do that.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 11:31 AM
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USAFpackfan wrote: Pointless topic
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:02 PM
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I have 2 words to sum it up:
ULTIMATE STUPIDITY !!!
Move from the best overall conference to the third best.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:18 PM
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Uh, I think Syracuse and Boston College are not in the mid west. And talk of adding UConn too. Thats damn yankees in my opinion. --------------------------------------------- --- pskunk119 wrote: aevanee wrote:
Pacfanweb wrote: Totally agree. The ACC has too many yankee schools already. SEC, Big 12, or bust.
DiggerNCSU94 wrote: Uhhhh ok.
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Not no but hell no under any circumstance. The ACC is becomming enough of a yankee league. Go south (SEC) or stay at home.
--------------------------------------------- What kind of person (living in the US) thinks people living in the midwest are yankees? Pennsylvania is not yankee territory, and even if it was WVU is like a 10 min drive from the border. Here's one of many. My college roommate at State was from PA and was a self-proclaimed 'Proud Yankee.' My ex-sister in law was an obnoxious Yankee from Ohio, and she knew it too. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:23 PM
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No to the Big Ten. Yes to an annual double round robin in basketball with Davidson, Duke, N.C. and Wake Forest as well as an annual single round robin in football with East Carolina, Duke, N.C. and Wake Forest. Dave Robertson was "the greatest southpaw (pitcher) the game ever knew" - John J. McGraw, The Milwaukee Sentinel, May 21, 1916 |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:36 PM
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xylocaine wrote:
Otter74 wrote: I think the Big Ten would be a good move. I would rank things like this...
1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. Stay in ACC where I stand +16
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:42 PM
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I can't see State going to the BIG. A better question may be what does it takes to get a new conference commissioner around here?
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:45 PM
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packfanstk wrote: I have no interest at all in joining the B1G. My preference is a stable and strong ACC headed by an impartial Commissioner with ties to no school and committed to all of them as one.....and that John Swofford would disappear into a black hole in outer space. If Carolina and Virginia are stupid enough to jump to the Big Ten, they and Maryland can have it. I believe the ACC is well situated, that Carolina and Virginia and Georgia Tech are staying put, and that Maryland will soon be in the throes of buyer's remorse. If I am wrong and the ACC falls apart, I am confident NC State and Virginia Tech would receive invitations to the SEC. I applied the bold type to your very interesting comments. The ACC has great inherent value, but there are some things that need to be fixed. Maybe Swofford and some schools need to remember the Texas/Big 12 story. Thank You. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:59 PM
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I would go to the Catholic 7 if it meant not being in the same conference with the Cheats. I'm not kidding
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Posted: 2/25/2013 2:04 PM
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I am tired of all this realignment all in the name of the almighty dollar. Conferences are beginning to make no sense. Who cares about a NC State vs Purdue matchup (big ten example) or in the current ACC-State vs Pitt. The ACC was once a proud basketball conference who had little use for football. Now we are just like any other conference and getting worse. I like the big four round robin scenarios in basketball. Now we get games that people care nothing about. most people feel like you must go with the flow or take the chance of getting left out. I look at the big east in bb with 16 teams. Natural rivalries are taking place with less frequency as more teams are added. I just think the ACC should stop with Syracuse, Pitt and Lousiville and the other teams should take a stand and stay put. People say we are in UNC's shadow. Well in the SEC it would be Kentucky and Florida in bb and 8-9 teams in football. So who cares. Were in the shadow of someone any where we go because we are mediocre right now in both sports. And going to the big 10 is an awful scenario for us. We are the southern blacksheep in the valley of the midwest.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:04 PM
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If the ACC falls apart I really hope the 'holes go to the B1G, and I hope the 'Pack goes to the SEC. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:20 PM
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USAFpackfan wrote: Pointless topic So very pointless. Is the ACC in danger? Is the sky falling? Are you nuts? "Wherever you go, there you are."
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:25 PM
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mstroud90 wrote: If we do anything other than stay in ACC or go to SEC, I may just give up following all together. I just can't get excited about rivalries with Iowa and Purdue. This! I wouldnt want any part of the Big Ten. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:26 PM
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hungrywolf03 wrote:
mstroud90 wrote: If we do anything other than stay in ACC or go to SEC, I may just give up following all together. I just can't get excited about rivalries with Iowa and Purdue. This! I wouldnt want any part of the Big Ten. Wait, so you can get excited about rivalries with BC and Syracuse?
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