Otter74 wrote:

ArmandJ wrote: You have no real response because you know that argument about the refs makes absolutely no sense.

Foul differential yesterday:
NC State- 17
UNC- 12

Keep in mind that they go small and shoot from the outside, while we try to get our shots inside the paint.

Now, if that isn't enough.  11 of our 17 fouls were called in the last 10 minutes of the game.  Does that make sense?

TheLastMohican wrote: Refs have nothing to do with CJL being a turnover machine, or not wanting to pass the ball once he gets it down low.

legacyman wrote: The refs did not cost us the game...we did it to ourselves and a less talented unc-ch squad was happy to take the gift.

It is very rare that we can say that we had more talent in the starting five than our biggest rivals and yet we squandered the chance to sweep the blue boys.  That more talent is mostly due to the solid base of talent left by Lowe for Gottfried to add to and mold into a squad that was preseason ranked sixth in the country.  

Now it is time for Gottfried to start coaching and earn that two million bucks he is paid.

RaleighBound wrote:

TheLastMohican wrote: Refs have nothing to do with CJL being a turnover machine, or not wanting to pass the ball once he gets it down low.

Others appear to like this argument too.  It goes like this:

The refs don't force State to do dumb things; therefore, the refs don't affect the outcome of games.

Or...

The refs make calls in clear favor of State sometimes; therefore, the refs don't affect the outcome of games.

Basically, the refs let the players decide the game.  Can I join the club?

TheLastMohican wrote:

RaleighBound wrote:

TheLastMohican wrote: Refs have nothing to do with CJL being a turnover machine, or not wanting to pass the ball once he gets it down low.

Others appear to like this argument too.  It goes like this:

The refs don't force State to do dumb things; therefore, the refs don't affect the outcome of games.

Or...

The refs make calls in clear favor of State sometimes; therefore, the refs don't affect the outcome of games.

Basically, the refs let the players decide the game.  Can I join the club?

Of course the refs affect the outcome of games.   But please tell me how the refs caused CJ Leslie to turn the ball over 6 times?  

Explain why we ALWAYS seem to let teams back into a game once we take the lead?   Why do the players always let their foot off the gas whenever we get a lead.    Is that the refs too?    Are the refs responsible for Purvis always missing layups?

RaleighBound wrote:

ARMAND LOVES TO ARGUE: that Refs have nothing to do with the outcome of games because CJL is a turnover machine, and the refs let us get away with fouling too sometimes!!!!!

Others appear to like this argument too.  It goes like this:

The refs don't force State to do dumb things; therefore, the refs don't affect the outcome of games.

Or...

The refs make calls in clear favor of State sometimes; therefore, the refs don't affect the outcome of games.

Basically, the refs let the players decide the game.  Can I join the club?

People I wish you all would stop whining about the loss to unc.  The team did not perform the way they should the entire game and we lost.  Everyone knows Leslie did not have his best game, but if that one person is down, why did the rest of the team not step up to maintain his lack of ability.  It is a team sport.  David Thompson, Michael Jordan, Christian Laettner nor any other player won a championship by themselves.  They all had teammates to assist them in winning.  Therefore the team lost this game and not one player. 

If we are really going to be an impact team:

1. We must play better defense (especially Wood, Purvis, Lewis and Warren)
2. We need Leslie and Warren, when in, to assist Howell with rebounds.
3. We need Brown to make better ball movement decisions than he did yesterday
4. We need Wood to do more than run around the perimeter waiting for a shot.  There are times in which he should break to the basket because no one is expecting that from him. 
5. We need Purvis to settle down and regain his earlier composure
6. We need Warren to build off his ability to score as he has shown throughout some games this year.
7. We need Howell to continue to play hard and draw the fouls down low when shooting
8. We need the refs to realize that Leslie is getting killed down low and to call fouls on those who are committing them as they do when Plumlee, McAdoo and others
9. Finally we need the entire team to make better choices in shot selections

CarlWeathersWolfpack wrote:

legacyman wrote: The refs did not cost us the game...we did it to ourselves and a less talented unc-ch squad was happy to take the gift.

It is very rare that we can say that we had more talent in the starting five than our biggest rivals and yet we squandered the chance to sweep the blue boys.  That more talent is mostly due to the solid base of talent left by Lowe for Gottfried to add to and mold into a squad that was preseason ranked sixth in the country.  

Now it is time for Gottfried to start coaching and earn that two million bucks he is paid.

Sidiot the Tax Cheat wasn't even in the same class of coach as we have in Gottfried, however.  If Sidiot the Tax Cheat were still head coach, we would be struggling to sniff the NIT.

FreshEye wrote: Purvis did not start "displacing" the player until he was on his back and he was trying to crawl out from under him.  'Course the ACC ref only say the part where Purvis was trying to get out of the Holes way.

Pappawuf wrote:

1321wolf wrote:

Pack84a wrote:

Engineer65 wrote: Probably the double tech call is one thing, and the lack of effort/accomplishment by CJ was the other thing.

I was shaking my head about how Wood's ear fouled the hole.  And about how Purvis' back fouled the hole that jumped on his shoulders.

Because they have already set the precedent by calling the same "under the front" call on Howell, it is now one of our "tendencies". Expect to see it called (on us) the rest of the season.

the foul lastweek on Howell was HORRIBLE
BUT , the call yesterday on Purvis was correct,you cannot displace a player from his established position, if you do -it is a foul

RaleighBound wrote: What are the chances of two under the chest calls being made against State in two weeks?  Sounds like a tendency may have been identified in the front office.

hunwolf wrote: Wait, we have fans who actually hope one player was calling out another to the press?

We have some mentally challenged folks posting on here.

Fayettewuf wrote:

hunwolf wrote: Wait, we have fans who actually hope one player was calling out another to the press?

We have some mentally challenged folks posting on here.

Was that your first clue?

BlackWolfIII wrote:

 

If we are really going to be an impact team:

1. We must play better defense (especially Wood, Purvis, Lewis and Warren)
2. We need Leslie and Warren, when in, to assist Howell with rebounds.
3. We need Brown to make better ball movement decisions than he did yesterday
4. We need Wood to do more than run around the perimeter waiting for a shot.  There are times in which he should break to the basket because no one is expecting that from him. 
5. We need Purvis to settle down and regain his earlier composure
6. We need Warren to build off his ability to score as he has shown throughout some games this year.
7. We need Howell to continue to play hard and draw the fouls down low when shooting
8. We need the refs to realize that Leslie is getting killed down low and to call fouls on those who are committing them as they do when Plumlee, McAdoo and others
9. Finally we need the entire team to make better choices in shot selections

HSP78 wrote:

CarlWeathersWolfpack wrote:

legacyman wrote: The refs did not cost us the game...we did it to ourselves and a less talented unc-ch squad was happy to take the gift.

It is very rare that we can say that we had more talent in the starting five than our biggest rivals and yet we squandered the chance to sweep the blue boys.  That more talent is mostly due to the solid base of talent left by Lowe for Gottfried to add to and mold into a squad that was preseason ranked sixth in the country.  

Now it is time for Gottfried to start coaching and earn that two million bucks he is paid.

Sidiot the Tax Cheat wasn't even in the same class of coach as we have in Gottfried, however.  If Sidiot the Tax Cheat were still head coach, we would be struggling to sniff the NIT.

I guess if enough people believe and repeat this, it becomes true.  The fact is, Duke and UNC started the season with 6 and 5 McDonald All Americans spread across multiple classes to our 4 - three of whom are true freshmen.  Without Kelly, Duke still has 5 along with UNC.  No matter how you look at players on each of the three squads, theirs were the higher rated and recruited players.  The idea that we have more talent than either one of those squads is the biggest oft-repeated canard on these boards.  It's demonstrably untrue.

CarlWeathersWolfpack wrote:

legacyman wrote: The refs did not cost us the game...we did it to ourselves and a less talented unc-ch squad was happy to take the gift.

It is very rare that we can say that we had more talent in the starting five than our biggest rivals and yet we squandered the chance to sweep the blue boys.  That more talent is mostly due to the solid base of talent left by Lowe for Gottfried to add to and mold into a squad that was preseason ranked sixth in the country.  

Now it is time for Gottfried to start coaching and earn that two million bucks he is paid.

Sidiot the Tax Cheat wasn't even in the same class of coach as we have in Gottfried, however.  If Sidiot the Tax Cheat were still head coach, we would be struggling to sniff the NIT.

Wolf Craig wrote: I'm embarrassed that some of our fans would try to lay this one on the refs. There were a ton of fouls called against us near the end, but I didn't see one that wasn't legit. I did see Leslie give McAdoodoo a two-handed shove as he crossed the lane yesterday in the 2nd half, and couldn't believe that wasn't called. I'm convinced that this loss can be laid at the feet of Mr. Leslie, and Coach Gott for inexplicably leaving CJ in the game after it was clear he wasn't going to show up. In my opinion, he's played poorly enough to not earn a start, and he should've had his minutes severely reduced yesterday. I only hope that this is what Scott was referring to, and that something will be done about it.

Bryanth1a wrote:

HSP78 wrote:

CarlWeathersWolfpack wrote:

legacyman wrote: The refs did not cost us the game...we did it to ourselves and a less talented unc-ch squad was happy to take the gift.

It is very rare that we can say that we had more talent in the starting five than our biggest rivals and yet we squandered the chance to sweep the blue boys.  That more talent is mostly due to the solid base of talent left by Lowe for Gottfried to add to and mold into a squad that was preseason ranked sixth in the country.  

Now it is time for Gottfried to start coaching and earn that two million bucks he is paid.

Sidiot the Tax Cheat wasn't even in the same class of coach as we have in Gottfried, however.  If Sidiot the Tax Cheat were still head coach, we would be struggling to sniff the NIT.

I guess if enough people believe and repeat this, it becomes true.  The fact is, Duke and UNC started the season with 6 and 5 McDonald All Americans spread across multiple classes to our 4 - three of whom are true freshmen.  Without Kelly, Duke still has 5 along with UNC.  No matter how you look at players on each of the three squads, theirs were the higher rated and recruited players.  The idea that we have more talent than either one of those squads is the biggest oft-repeated canard on these boards.  It's demonstrably untrue.

I'm tired of this McDonald's AA designation being used to determine whether a player is more talented than another.  Those bull **** McAA awards were based on HS accomplishments.

Leslie McDonald and Strickand were McD AA but would you trade Scott Wood for them.  Hell no, I wouldn't.  Ryan Kelly was a McD AA but there's no way I'd rather have him than Richard Howell.

ArmandJ wrote: FWIW, I believe we got jobbed last year at Cameron Indoor. But, that's about the extent of the 'ref bias/conspiracy' with me. That, and maybe the charge at the end of the UNC ACCT game.

Otter74 wrote:

Wolf Craig wrote: I'm embarrassed that some of our fans would try to lay this one on the refs. There were a ton of fouls called against us near the end, but I didn't see one that wasn't legit. I did see Leslie give McAdoodoo a two-handed shove as he crossed the lane yesterday in the 2nd half, and couldn't believe that wasn't called. I'm convinced that this loss can be laid at the feet of Mr. Leslie, and Coach Gott for inexplicably leaving CJ in the game after it was clear he wasn't going to show up. In my opinion, he's played poorly enough to not earn a start, and he should've had his minutes severely reduced yesterday. I only hope that this is what Scott was referring to, and that something will be done about it.

The problem isn't the fouls they called on us, it was the fouls they didn't call on them.  They were allowed to hammer our guys at times with no foul called.

So after 4 pages, we can reasonably assume Wood was referring to the officiating.

But he did say "couple other things" and I don't think we are ever gonna know what #2 is.

I don't think he was calling out Calvin & I hope not.......that would hearken bad things for the team.

Maybe it was just a faux pas or poor choice of words on his part.

Or maybe HE is a "drama student" & is just ******* with us......

Otter74 wrote:

Wolf Craig wrote: I'm embarrassed that some of our fans would try to lay this one on the refs. There were a ton of fouls called against us near the end, but I didn't see one that wasn't legit. I did see Leslie give McAdoodoo a two-handed shove as he crossed the lane yesterday in the 2nd half, and couldn't believe that wasn't called. I'm convinced that this loss can be laid at the feet of Mr. Leslie, and Coach Gott for inexplicably leaving CJ in the game after it was clear he wasn't going to show up. In my opinion, he's played poorly enough to not earn a start, and he should've had his minutes severely reduced yesterday. I only hope that this is what Scott was referring to, and that something will be done about it.

The problem isn't the fouls they called on us, it was the fouls they didn't call on them.  They were allowed to hammer our guys at times with no foul called.

badweatherpackfan wrote:

So after 4 pages, we can reasonably assume Wood was referring to the officiating.

But he did say "couple other things" and I don't think we are ever gonna know what #2 is.

I don't think he was calling out Calvin & I hope not.......that would hearken bad things for the team.

Maybe it was just a faux pas or poor choice of words on his part.

Or maybe HE is a "drama student" & is just ******* with us......

pskunk119 wrote:

ArmandJ wrote: FWIW, I believe we got jobbed last year at Cameron Indoor. But, that's about the extent of the 'ref bias/conspiracy' with me. That, and maybe the charge at the end of the UNC ACCT game.

Hmmm. What color did those two opponents have in common?

Bryanth1a wrote:

CarlWeathersWolfpack wrote:

legacyman wrote: The refs did not cost us the game...we did it to ourselves and a less talented unc-ch squad was happy to take the gift.

It is very rare that we can say that we had more talent in the starting five than our biggest rivals and yet we squandered the chance to sweep the blue boys.  That more talent is mostly due to the solid base of talent left by Lowe for Gottfried to add to and mold into a squad that was preseason ranked sixth in the country.  

Now it is time for Gottfried to start coaching and earn that two million bucks he is paid.

Sidiot the Tax Cheat wasn't even in the same class of coach as we have in Gottfried, however.  If Sidiot the Tax Cheat were still head coach, we would be struggling to sniff the NIT.

If there was any doubt....it should now be removed. 

wolfer79 wrote:

badweatherpackfan wrote:

So after 4 pages, we can reasonably assume Wood was referring to the officiating.

But he did say "couple other things" and I don't think we are ever gonna know what #2 is.

I don't think he was calling out Calvin & I hope not.......that would hearken bad things for the team.

Maybe it was just a faux pas or poor choice of words on his part.

Or maybe HE is a "drama student" & is just ******* with us......

if he had just sent a tweet that we could retweet around the world

RaleighBound wrote: It seems like all ACC refs need to do is blow several obvious calls that benefit State and make sure the foul differential is comparable, and the rest is gravy, i.e., "the refs are incompetent and clearly not biased."

It's unfortunate, though; refs blowing calls left and right, especially toward the end of games . . .

I guess this is the best the ACC can do . 

It must be so dang hard for Swofford to find good refs nowadays.

TheLastMohican wrote: Refs have nothing to do with CJL being a turnover machine, or not wanting to pass the ball once he gets it down low.