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Posted: 2/24/2013 7:26 PM
RE: Purvis Block out foul
glenn1 wrote: Not really, as the poster days Leslie is out of control. Tyler Hansbrough was excellent at staying under control. He was also the best I have ever seen at selling a foul where there was none. He was strong as an ox but somehow a guy that weighed 75 pounds less could leave Tyler flailing those arms and falling to the floor. Or less
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQGPVL5wCmsAnd props to FLWolf. Hansblow didn't go to school. He was in the Swahillian Navy degree program.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:01 PM
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RE: the argument that Leslie being out of control prevents him from getting foul calls as he attacks the rim. Poor use of logic in my opinion. It IS very likely true, but it should not be. This game is very, very simple. Its all about position. If you have it when contact is made, foul on me, if you don't foul on you.
Leslie is out of control, but he routinely beats players to a spot and then gets bumped off of that position as they catch up. That is a foul. Nothing else matters but who got there first and was there contact that prevented him from completing his move to the basket.
If he beats a man to a spot, gets bumped, then gets called for a travel, we all know what happened.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:14 PM
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thurl wrote:
Pappawuf wrote: sorry guys, you are off base on this one imo
the refs were very consistant imho
the Purvis call was because he displaced the player behind him, it was definately the right call. The out of bounds call against Brown was missed but there was one earlier where he threw it off another player and he had already landed out of bounds. There was at least 3 horrible travels that Leslie committed that were not called and a big push on a rebound that was missed on Leslie. They missed some, but they missed them both ways, overall it was very consistant imo Don't think so. Just watched it again, 15 minute mark of 2nd half. Rodney has position, Johnson reaches over, Rodney does not move until Johnson is landing on his back. Perfect block out, wrong call. We can argue about individual calls all night, and its of no value. Individual calls are going to get missed. The most egregious one I recall (clearly I only recall ones against us), was the out of bounds call where one ref correctly called it off UNC, only to be overruled by the ref behind the play. Carolina then drained a 3 to break a tie. And then we turned it over 2 possession in a row that became quickly a 7 pt deficit. Thats on us. Whats is more bothersome to me is what Jay Bilas talks about all the time -- watch the action under the basket, and it's atrocious. Surely both ways, but they let those guys kill each other under the basket. Every close shot/rebound is contested with hits to the head, shoulder and legs. The league/national league, have got to take a stand on this and clean the game up. Prevent injuries, make the game more crisp. Its not a rugby match I'm paying to watch--rather a battle of the most athletic players in any sport, and I'd like to see them be able to play. |
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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:21 PM
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I feel like CJ travels 50% of the time he touches the ball.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:23 PM
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Bryanth1a wrote:
9mariowilliams90 wrote: ACC refs didn't do us any favors.
I thought the Purvis call was BS along with a few others. They missed a JMM travel after calling every one of CJ.
In general this season, the ACC refs have favored the home team to the extreme. I don't know whether you've noticed it or not but the refs often miss a walk or two by Leslie almost every game. FWIW, I don't think he got away with one yesterday. He definitely got away with one yesterday - the fans objected, and the fans were right - he walked big-time. However by the same token one of the walks that they did call on CJ was bogus - he had his pivot foot down the whole time - you could tell from the overhead shot they showed that he didn't move it.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:29 PM
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I agree he gets bumped and then travels a lot of times
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RE: the argument that Leslie being out of control prevents him from getting foul calls as he attacks the rim. Poor use of logic in my opinion. It IS very likely true, but it should not be. This game is very, very simple. Its all about position. If you have it when contact is made, foul on me, if you don't foul on you.
Leslie is out of control, but he routinely beats players to a spot and then gets bumped off of that position as they catch up. That is a foul. Nothing else matters but who got there first and was there contact that prevented him from completing his move to the basket.
If he beats a man to a spot, gets bumped, then gets called for a travel, we all know what happened.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 9:47 PM
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Bryanth1a wrote: Well at least this foul on Purvis Block has been a distraction from his continued inability to score on contested and point-blank layups.
Oh no, the Carolina Way lives on. But as my dad astutely commented this morning after reading the NOA, it now stands for cheating, corruption, arrogance, and delusional thinking. - OldEastHeel
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Posted: 2/25/2013 8:39 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- PackChem91 wrote: thurl wrote:
Pappawuf wrote: sorry guys, you are off base on this one imo
the refs were very consistant imho
the Purvis call was because he displaced the player behind him, it was definately the right call. The out of bounds call against Brown was missed but there was one earlier where he threw it off another player and he had already landed out of bounds. There was at least 3 horrible travels that Leslie committed that were not called and a big push on a rebound that was missed on Leslie. They missed some, but they missed them both ways, overall it was very consistant imo Don't think so. Just watched it again, 15 minute mark of 2nd half. Rodney has position, Johnson reaches over, Rodney does not move until Johnson is landing on his back. Perfect block out, wrong call. We can argue about individual calls all night, and its of no value. Individual calls are going to get missed. The most egregious one I recall (clearly I only recall ones against us), was the out of bounds call where one ref correctly called it off UNC, only to be overruled by the ref behind the play. Carolina then drained a 3 to break a tie. And then we turned it over 2 possession in a row that became quickly a 7 pt deficit. Thats on us. Whats is more bothersome to me is what Jay Bilas talks about all the time -- watch the action under the basket, and it's atrocious. Surely both ways, but they let those guys kill each other under the basket. Every close shot/rebound is contested with hits to the head, shoulder and legs. The league/national league, have got to take a stand on this and clean the game up. Prevent injuries, make the game more crisp. Its not a rugby match I'm paying to watch--rather a battle of the most athletic players in any sport, and I'd like to see them be able to play. --------------------------------------------- Jay Williams mentioned this after the- I think- the Clemson game about how much longer are the refs going to allow Howell and Leslie get shoved from behind out of position and end up out of bounds under the basket? It's also the inconsistency. Doris Burke was echoing the complaints you read here during the first half. If you are going to allow the game to be physical in one five minute stretch, it should be allowed in the next five minute stretch. These guys call it soft on one end and tight on the other with no rhyme or reason and then start blowing the whistle on obvious make up calls. I've been watching a lot of Big 10 basketball this season along with everyone else, and although they play a very physical style, I don't see these problems there. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 8:59 AM
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bsme74 wrote: With just under 4 mins to play in the first half, State scores. Two uncch players step out of bounds for the in-bounds play. One has the ball in his hands, and bounces the ball IN BOUNDS. The second player, while still out-of-bounds, grabs the ball after it bounces IN bounds. The first player then steps in-bounds and the ball is passed to him. The ACC ref is standing, with an un-obstrucked view, within 10 feet of the players and is clearly watching the ball "being put into play" - bounced in bounds by the first player. --- play on, no harm, no turnover.
I get that some calls (charge/block, screen/moving pick, goal tend/no goal tend) are judgement calls and have to be done while there is lots of action going on. However, this was not one of those. --- Just sorry officiating.
And no, that one missed call, and all the other missed calls, did not cost us the game.
. ^This. Although I certainly appreciated the refs letting the game play out and not being a major influence. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 11:27 AM
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When one team is primarily going inside with the ball for the entire game (i.e. NC State) and tthe other team is primarily shooting jump shots there should be a large disparity in the # of fouls. The fact that there was not a big advantage in states favor shows the officiating was poor.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:29 PM
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ncsustash wrote:
bsme74 wrote: With just under 4 mins to play in the first half, State scores. Two uncch players step out of bounds for the in-bounds play. One has the ball in his hands, and bounces the ball IN BOUNDS. The second player, while still out-of-bounds, grabs the ball after it bounces IN bounds. The first player then steps in-bounds and the ball is passed to him. The ACC ref is standing, with an un-obstrucked view, within 10 feet of the players and is clearly watching the ball "being put into play" - bounced in bounds by the first player. --- play on, no harm, no turnover.
I get that some calls (charge/block, screen/moving pick, goal tend/no goal tend) are judgement calls and have to be done while there is lots of action going on. However, this was not one of those. --- Just sorry officiating.
And no, that one missed call, and all the other missed calls, did not cost us the game.
. ^This. Although I certainly appreciated the refs letting the game play out and not being a major influence. "letting them play" is one thing...and yes, it's an advantage to not get fouls called on Howell. But you can't let guys use their bodies to move players out of position AFTER they get a rebound, and not call it. And this is not an NC State issue...just the other night in the Duke - UNC game, I watched a duke defender stop a Paige drive by just running into him and making him move to his right. That is a foul. It should not be a "letting them play" situation. The NFL gets this, and this is why they call so much on the defense (sometimes unfairly so), but it creates offense. The NBA has figured this out. We are in a fantasy stats world, and we don't want to watch 49-45 slugfests in a game that at its purest is designed for artistry/athleticism. I'm a soccer fan...and its like watching Barcelona play or watching the dregs of EPL play modified rugby/kickball. |
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