you guys are correct. I stand corrected. his Alabama team was #1. briefly in 2003 they did make the tournament. but had a quick exit. I miss read the the season results and Bio. but I'm still pissed that these over paid coaches can't get this bunch to play defense. I can't believe that a college team plays that poorly and moves that poorly rotates that poorly on defense. you would think as long as these guys has been.playing ball that being in somewhat the correct area would be second nature. its like when somone gets beat off the dribble its new to these guys to help. I wish he would say we are embarrassed

I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Fayettewuf wrote:

2packfans4ever wrote:

rswilli2 wrote:

TheLastMohican wrote: Seems like no matter if it's Sendek, Lowe, TOB, Amato, or Gott...we always seem to get players who have a low sports IQ

Perhaps it's time we stop assuming it's the players.

Anyone that wants a high sports IQ can have one.  Tyler Lewis probably has the highest sports IQ on the team.  Know why?  Because he realized very early on that he wasn't tall enough, quick enough, couldn't jump high enough, etc. so he had to understand and maximize his IQ of the game.  The McD AA types have probably never had to resort to IQ because they just run by and jump over 99% of the kids they play in HS and AAU ball.  Then they get to Div 1 and everybody is as good as they are.   What happens then?  Is it too late to develop a high basketball IQ?  Absolutely not, but they are at a crisis point.  If they don't develop the IQ side of the game they become a moderately successful bball player.   If they will HUMBLE themselves and develop the IQ side of the game they can continue to grow.  When you see a kid come to Div 1 and never get any better or that never develops an IQ for the game you can assume that that player is unteachable and uncoachable. 

Look at how Richard Howell has changed his game BECAUSE HE WAS TOLD BY GOTTFREID THAT HE WAS TOO HEAVY AND THAT HE NEEDED TO PLAY HARDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Richard is coachable and look how much he has improved!

Look at CJL who I would bet my life has heard the same thing from Gottfreid but evidently has chosen to not take that advice.

It is all about 2 things:

*Be teachable
*Be accountable

Those that buy into being coachable and accountable will only get better.  Those that don't well.............................if they don't change it will simply be too late for them.

I disagree. I think some aspects of a sports IQ are hard wired. I don't think that you can teach the quick thinking that is a large part of sports IQ. If you have a rigid system, you can program players to do what they are to do in certain situations.

I disagree.  You increase your knowledge of the fine points of the game by studying the game.  It is available to anyone that has the desire to learn it.  It's just that simple.  No one is born with an understanding of the fine points of the game of basketball.  Thinking quickly might help you once you know the IQ side of the game but it will not help you understand the IQ side of the game. 

IQ is not vertical leap.  It is not quickness.   It is a learned skill.  In order to learn you have to be teachable.  Just as any student with a high IQ has to be taught so does a great athlete have to be taught about the fine thinking points of the game of basketball.

Pack84a wrote:

Loucouldcoach wrote:

golfpack wrote: The bad news is CJ will be back next year. What NBA team will waste a draft pick on that train wreck.

Man I hope so.

IMO, CJ will be hard pressed to find a spot on most NBA rosters.Just doesn't seem to have a  position to play. He is perfectly suited for college ball and should enjoy playing for 4 years.

I for one enjoy watching him play (yes he sucked yesterday)most games.

Honestly I don't understand the venom being directed at him since the game yesterday.  Of course he didn't play well.  We all know that and he knows it as well.  Anyone with functioning eyesight and two brain cells to rub together knows it.

But some of you on here, and you know who you are, are making it out to be that CJL is some sort of cancer on the team or that he intentionally sabotaged the effort.  I couldn't disagree more.

Look - he had an off game.  There are days Tiger Woods can't find the fairway.  There are days when the best pitchers in baseball can't find the strike zone.  There are days where Kobe Bryant shoots 1 of 15 from the field.  It happens.

Yeah - we need CJL to be more consistent.  To step up and bring it in big games.  We all know that.  But, IMHO, it's wrong of some of you to throw a 20 year old kid under the damn bus just because he had an off-game.

Truthfully I blame Gott a lot more than CJL.  He's got to recognize that CJL just doesn't have it today and leave him over on the bench beside him.

IMO, I think Gott was thinking (hoping) that Calvin was checking in and not CJ. Hoping that the TOs and missed bunnies were over and he was going to play his tail off and score and rebound. This is the same coach that called a play for Wood when he was 2-8 from the field at Clemson. You have to have confidence that your players are going to hit their next shot, get the next rebound, get the stop at the critical moment, etc.

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

we have some ****** fans, I swear.

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

LMAO at the OP!

Also OP, do you really believe Hodge has never mentored Calvin Leslie before?

2packfans4ever wrote:

Fayettewuf wrote:

2packfans4ever wrote:

rswilli2 wrote:

TheLastMohican wrote: Seems like no matter if it's Sendek, Lowe, TOB, Amato, or Gott...we always seem to get players who have a low sports IQ

Perhaps it's time we stop assuming it's the players.

Anyone that wants a high sports IQ can have one.  Tyler Lewis probably has the highest sports IQ on the team.  Know why?  Because he realized very early on that he wasn't tall enough, quick enough, couldn't jump high enough, etc. so he had to understand and maximize his IQ of the game.  The McD AA types have probably never had to resort to IQ because they just run by and jump over 99% of the kids they play in HS and AAU ball.  Then they get to Div 1 and everybody is as good as they are.   What happens then?  Is it too late to develop a high basketball IQ?  Absolutely not, but they are at a crisis point.  If they don't develop the IQ side of the game they become a moderately successful bball player.   If they will HUMBLE themselves and develop the IQ side of the game they can continue to grow.  When you see a kid come to Div 1 and never get any better or that never develops an IQ for the game you can assume that that player is unteachable and uncoachable. 

Look at how Richard Howell has changed his game BECAUSE HE WAS TOLD BY GOTTFREID THAT HE WAS TOO HEAVY AND THAT HE NEEDED TO PLAY HARDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Richard is coachable and look how much he has improved!

Look at CJL who I would bet my life has heard the same thing from Gottfreid but evidently has chosen to not take that advice.

It is all about 2 things:

*Be teachable
*Be accountable

Those that buy into being coachable and accountable will only get better.  Those that don't well.............................if they don't change it will simply be too late for them.

I disagree. I think some aspects of a sports IQ are hard wired. I don't think that you can teach the quick thinking that is a large part of sports IQ. If you have a rigid system, you can program players to do what they are to do in certain situations.

I disagree.  You increase your knowledge of the fine points of the game by studying the game.  It is available to anyone that has the desire to learn it.  It's just that simple.  No one is born with an understanding of the fine points of the game of basketball.  Thinking quickly might help you once you know the IQ side of the game but it will not help you understand the IQ side of the game. 

IQ is not vertical leap.  It is not quickness.   It is a learned skill.  In order to learn you have to be teachable.  Just as any student with a high IQ has to be taught so does a great athlete have to be taught about the fine thinking points of the game of basketball.

IQ is not knowledge as I define it. Apparently you are talking about learning. I am talking about ability to learn. I think there are quarterbacks for example that can go to camps and try their ***** off but still do not make reads quick enough. I think there are point guards that react mentally faster than others. They are the ones that spot opportunities quick enough to take advantage. There are players that play down low that recognize situations faster. You can coach some people, even athletic people, they can have the desire to learn but just don't have the mental capability.
I think our disagreement is one of semantics.

EasternNCstyleBBQueWolf wrote:

GregMarmalard wrote: Why can't we just say heels played better and made the plays to win instead off blaming being tired and the refs. They kicked state's butt.

Because some folks fail to see the obvious. The goats played harder and wanted it more. Didn't matter who they had on the floor, they outplayed State's players.

State's team isn't a cohesive unit right now; and, after playing 27 games plus pre-season practice, it's difficult to understand why.

The lineup changes roy has made recently with the goats have paid dividends so far.

Two different teams headed in two different directions, it seems.

As a State fan, it's sad, disappointing and something we have come to expect. Yet another typical underperforming team based on such high expectations. Such seems to be the common denominator with most all Wolfpack sports.

Yes, the baseball team is up next.

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

A supposedly first round recruit should not have an off night playing against a rival...  Hodeg may be sayiing this so as to not get CJ further down in the dumps?

Fayettewuf wrote:

2packfans4ever wrote:

Fayettewuf wrote:

2packfans4ever wrote:

rswilli2 wrote:

TheLastMohican wrote: Seems like no matter if it's Sendek, Lowe, TOB, Amato, or Gott...we always seem to get players who have a low sports IQ

Perhaps it's time we stop assuming it's the players.

Anyone that wants a high sports IQ can have one.  Tyler Lewis probably has the highest sports IQ on the team.  Know why?  Because he realized very early on that he wasn't tall enough, quick enough, couldn't jump high enough, etc. so he had to understand and maximize his IQ of the game.  The McD AA types have probably never had to resort to IQ because they just run by and jump over 99% of the kids they play in HS and AAU ball.  Then they get to Div 1 and everybody is as good as they are.   What happens then?  Is it too late to develop a high basketball IQ?  Absolutely not, but they are at a crisis point.  If they don't develop the IQ side of the game they become a moderately successful bball player.   If they will HUMBLE themselves and develop the IQ side of the game they can continue to grow.  When you see a kid come to Div 1 and never get any better or that never develops an IQ for the game you can assume that that player is unteachable and uncoachable. 

Look at how Richard Howell has changed his game BECAUSE HE WAS TOLD BY GOTTFREID THAT HE WAS TOO HEAVY AND THAT HE NEEDED TO PLAY HARDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Richard is coachable and look how much he has improved!

Look at CJL who I would bet my life has heard the same thing from Gottfreid but evidently has chosen to not take that advice.

It is all about 2 things:

*Be teachable
*Be accountable

Those that buy into being coachable and accountable will only get better.  Those that don't well.............................if they don't change it will simply be too late for them.

I disagree. I think some aspects of a sports IQ are hard wired. I don't think that you can teach the quick thinking that is a large part of sports IQ. If you have a rigid system, you can program players to do what they are to do in certain situations.

I disagree.  You increase your knowledge of the fine points of the game by studying the game.  It is available to anyone that has the desire to learn it.  It's just that simple.  No one is born with an understanding of the fine points of the game of basketball.  Thinking quickly might help you once you know the IQ side of the game but it will not help you understand the IQ side of the game. 

IQ is not vertical leap.  It is not quickness.   It is a learned skill.  In order to learn you have to be teachable.  Just as any student with a high IQ has to be taught so does a great athlete have to be taught about the fine thinking points of the game of basketball.

IQ is not knowledge as I define it. Apparently you are talking about learning. I am talking about ability to learn. I think there are quarterbacks for example that can go to camps and try their ***** off but still do not make reads quick enough. I think there are point guards that react mentally faster than others. They are the ones that spot opportunities quick enough to take advantage. There are players that play down low that recognize situations faster. You can coach some people, even athletic people, they can have the desire to learn but just don't have the mental capability.
I think our disagreement is one of semantics.

I agree.  I am talking about the knowledge of the game.  Knowing more about it than anyone else.   Sometimes a great athlete assumes that their athleticism will overcome all other shortcomings.  Lebron may get away with that but hardly any others do.

We are who we are. People that are still bitterly clinging to a preseason #6 ranking are in for more disappointment over the next month. We aren't going to win em all, middle of the road is the best we can hope for. Sadly, that's considerably better than we have been in the past two decades so WE ARE showing improvement. Gott's the best coach we have had since V. Give the man some time to do his thing. If we can maintain the same level of success next year we will be doing great considering everything we will be losing. If you can't handle this year, it's gonna be a really long season for you next year.

I'm really glad my job performance is not based on a group of inconsistent 20 year olds.

It was so typical NC State ********* to have talk or Omaha in the paper by Rodon and then go out and give up 3 homers in the opener.

Also, anyone catch this Trea Turner video.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGRXpfwX9uY


Hope it bodes better for Trea than it did for Amerson  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7GQWIaM-p4

michael924 wrote:

EasternNCstyleBBQueWolf wrote:

GregMarmalard wrote: Why can't we just say heels played better and made the plays to win instead off blaming being tired and the refs. They kicked state's butt.

Because some folks fail to see the obvious. The goats played harder and wanted it more. Didn't matter who they had on the floor, they outplayed State's players.

State's team isn't a cohesive unit right now; and, after playing 27 games plus pre-season practice, it's difficult to understand why.

The lineup changes roy has made recently with the goats have paid dividends so far.

Two different teams headed in two different directions, it seems.

As a State fan, it's sad, disappointing and something we have come to expect. Yet another typical underperforming team based on such high expectations. Such seems to be the common denominator with most all Wolfpack sports.

Yes, the baseball team is up next.

This no longer has anything to do with the #6 ranking b/c at this point we're not even top #25 with a double digit loss season looming and a below top 4 ACC finish.  You tell me we shouldn't be upset by this with 2 Sr's, 2 Jr's starting.

TnOLogisticsPack00 wrote: We are who we are. People that are still bitterly clinging to a preseason #6 ranking are in for more disappointment over the next month. We aren't going to win em all, middle of the road is the best we can hope for. Sadly, that's considerably better than we have been in the past two decades so WE ARE showing improvement. Gott's the best coach we have had since V. Give the man some time to do his thing. If we can maintain the same level of success next year we will be doing great considering everything we will be losing. If you can't handle this year, it's gonna be a really long season for you next year.

I'm really glad my job performance is not based on a group of inconsistent 20 year olds.

We probably have the 2nd most experienced team in the league and yet continue to make the same dumb mistakes that keep putting numbers in the "L" column. If you are a Junior or Senior at a high level ACC program, and you can't take "criticism" about losing games and only scoring 6 pts and 4 rebounds against your biggest rival.....maybe you should try something else.

Also, this isn't "One Bad Game" from CJ. When you are averaging 2x as many Turnovers and Fouls as Field Goals Made...as the "Best Player on the Team". Whatever

Have to pray that it will finally click for them.  Pray damn hard.

wolfman82 wrote: We probably have the 2nd most experienced team in the league and yet continue to make the same dumb mistakes that keep putting numbers in the "L" column. If you are a Junior or Senior at a high level ACC program, and you can't take "criticism" about losing games and only scoring 6 pts and 4 rebounds against your biggest rival.....maybe you should try something else.

Also, this isn't "One Bad Game" from CJ. When you are averaging 2x as many Turnovers and Fouls as Field Goals Made...as the "Best Player on the Team". Whatever

packisbacknow wrote: Have to pray that it will finally click for them.  Pray damn hard.

wolfman82 wrote: We probably have the 2nd most experienced team in the league and yet continue to make the same dumb mistakes that keep putting numbers in the "L" column. If you are a Junior or Senior at a high level ACC program, and you can't take "criticism" about losing games and only scoring 6 pts and 4 rebounds against your biggest rival.....maybe you should try something else.

Also, this isn't "One Bad Game" from CJ. When you are averaging 2x as many Turnovers and Fouls as Field Goals Made...as the "Best Player on the Team". Whatever

This.  And it is always telling when posters have to refer to "18-21 year olds" like it is some kind of get out of jail free card when a team is not up to speed.

52Fan wrote: The coach is saying what he has to say. Do you guys really want him to throw a tantrum (and some chairs) ? Give me a break.

I know everybody hates losing just like I do but the comments we make after a loss are just plain childish. Do you really think it is as simple as reminding someone to "play harder" ? Seriously, do you think that's all there is to it ?

Oh...yeah...."give CJ an ultimatum"....why didnt I think of that ? Hope the rest of the Coaches don't figure out how easy it is.

That was a loss that was tough to take, but no reason to bash our guys and our Coaches. Every one of them feels worse than we do and a little support is not asking too much. They are putting in a lot more effort than we are. Heck, I can see it now.....we'll be setting up the fire the coach websites soon because we split with Carolina. Good grief !!

This

Big 4 Country wrote:

52Fan wrote: The coach is saying what he has to say. Do you guys really want him to throw a tantrum (and some chairs) ? Give me a break.

I know everybody hates losing just like I do but the comments we make after a loss are just plain childish. Do you really think it is as simple as reminding someone to "play harder" ? Seriously, do you think that's all there is to it ?

Oh...yeah...."give CJ an ultimatum"....why didnt I think of that ? Hope the rest of the Coaches don't figure out how easy it is.

That was a loss that was tough to take, but no reason to bash our guys and our Coaches. Every one of them feels worse than we do and a little support is not asking too much. They are putting in a lot more effort than we are. Heck, I can see it now.....we'll be setting up the fire the coach websites soon because we split with Carolina. Good grief !!

This

+ lots of LOL

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

not everyone, Jules.


not everyone.

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

My feeling exactly Jules.  No he did not play well on Saturday but it wasnt for lack of effort.  IMO he knew he had a mismatch with Hairston guarding him and tried to force a little to much.

michael924 wrote:

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

A supposedly first round recruit should not have an off night playing against a rival...  Hodeg may be sayiing this so as to not get CJ further down in the dumps?

Everyone has off nights.  I don't care who it is.

Julius is entitled to his opinion, and it's an opinion I respect, but not all games are equal, especially the deeper into conference play you get. Leslie didn't just not show up Saturday, he was an outright liability. Which is completely mystifying when you consider how talented he is and when we all know what he's capable of on a consistent basis.

michael924 wrote:

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

A supposedly first round recruit should not have an off night playing against a rival...  Hodeg may be sayiing this so as to not get CJ further down in the dumps?

This is laughable.  Everyone have off nights and it doesn't matter how great they are or who they're playing against. 

The difference is most times a when a coach recognizes a player is having a horrible game, he replaces him with a different player especially if that off night is hurting his team's chance of winning.

The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote: Julius is entitled to his opinion, and it's an opinion I respect, but not all games are equal, especially the deeper into conference play you get. Leslie didn't just not show up Saturday, he was an outright liability. Which is completely mystifying when you consider how talented he is and when we all know what he's capable of on a consistent basis.

Still doesn't matter who we are playing.  IMO Leslie was playing hard in the game Saturday.  He knew he had a huge mismatch in the post and was forcing it instead of just playing the game.  I sat about 10 rows off the court and he was giving effort he just didn't have it.  That happens to everyone regardless of the game.

This a fundamentally flawed basketball team:  a two guard playing point (with a suspect jumper), a SF playing shooting guard who is one dimensional, and no one to protect the rim.  Fortunately there are many flawed teams even in the top 10.  Coaching has made the difference, but shooting bricks is still epidemic this year.  Most every team making the tournament has a chance to make a run.  Personally, I appreciate the job Coach Gott has done this year, given the past twenty year history of NCSTATE basketball.

jds0881 wrote:

The Ghost of HessianWolf wrote: Julius is entitled to his opinion, and it's an opinion I respect, but not all games are equal, especially the deeper into conference play you get. Leslie didn't just not show up Saturday, he was an outright liability. Which is completely mystifying when you consider how talented he is and when we all know what he's capable of on a consistent basis.

Still doesn't matter who we are playing.  IMO Leslie was playing hard in the game Saturday.  He knew he had a huge mismatch in the post and was forcing it instead of just playing the game.  I sat about 10 rows off the court and he was giving effort he just didn't have it.  That happens to everyone regardless of the game.

It does matter to an extent, but I agree overall with what you're saying. Everyone is entitled to an "off" night occasionally, even good players. What I saw though went way beyond an "off" night. And I don't know Leslie personally, but if he wants to be thought of as a great player here (and going forward) he needs to at least understand that great players can have "off" nights, but rarely do they completely stink it up in games like last Saturday's. And he completely and fully stunk it up.

That doesn't mean he's a bad player or person though. And there's still plenty of time for redemption.

Bryanth1a wrote:

michael924 wrote:

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

A supposedly first round recruit should not have an off night playing against a rival...  Hodeg may be sayiing this so as to not get CJ further down in the dumps?

This is laughable.  Everyone have off nights and it doesn't matter how great they are or who they're playing against. 

The difference is most times a when a coach recognizes a player is having a horrible game, he replaces him with a different player especially if that off night is hurting his team's chance of winning.

Wait...you mean Gottfried coached a poor game this past Saturday? Not surprising. I am not throwing Gottfried under the bus, but he could have managed the game a lot better.

Sec17WufPacker wrote:

Bryanth1a wrote:

michael924 wrote:

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

A supposedly first round recruit should not have an off night playing against a rival...  Hodeg may be sayiing this so as to not get CJ further down in the dumps?

This is laughable.  Everyone have off nights and it doesn't matter how great they are or who they're playing against. 

The difference is most times a when a coach recognizes a player is having a horrible game, he replaces him with a different player especially if that off night is hurting his team's chance of winning.

Wait...you mean Gottfried coached a poor game this past Saturday? Not surprising. I am not throwing Gottfried under the bus, but he could have managed the game a lot better.

I think with our short bench Gottfried had no choice but keep playing CJL.

jds0881 wrote:

Sec17WufPacker wrote:

Bryanth1a wrote:

michael924 wrote:

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

A supposedly first round recruit should not have an off night playing against a rival...  Hodeg may be sayiing this so as to not get CJ further down in the dumps?

This is laughable.  Everyone have off nights and it doesn't matter how great they are or who they're playing against. 

The difference is most times a when a coach recognizes a player is having a horrible game, he replaces him with a different player especially if that off night is hurting his team's chance of winning.

Wait...you mean Gottfried coached a poor game this past Saturday? Not surprising. I am not throwing Gottfried under the bus, but he could have managed the game a lot better.

I think with our short bench Gottfried had no choice but keep playing CJL.

He could have moved everyone up a spot by playing Lewis more. He didn't do it.

Sec17WufPacker wrote:

jds0881 wrote:

Sec17WufPacker wrote:

Bryanth1a wrote:

michael924 wrote:

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

A supposedly first round recruit should not have an off night playing against a rival...  Hodeg may be sayiing this so as to not get CJ further down in the dumps?

This is laughable.  Everyone have off nights and it doesn't matter how great they are or who they're playing against. 

The difference is most times a when a coach recognizes a player is having a horrible game, he replaces him with a different player especially if that off night is hurting his team's chance of winning.

Wait...you mean Gottfried coached a poor game this past Saturday? Not surprising. I am not throwing Gottfried under the bus, but he could have managed the game a lot better.

I think with our short bench Gottfried had no choice but keep playing CJL.

He could have moved everyone up a spot by playing Lewis more. He didn't do it.

I am not saying he was right or wrong for doing it.  I am just saying that probably played a part in his decision to keep playing him.  If he sat him some on here would be complaining about Vandy getting minutes.

jds0881 wrote:

Sec17WufPacker wrote:

Bryanth1a wrote:

michael924 wrote:

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

A supposedly first round recruit should not have an off night playing against a rival...  Hodeg may be sayiing this so as to not get CJ further down in the dumps?

This is laughable.  Everyone have off nights and it doesn't matter how great they are or who they're playing against. 

The difference is most times a when a coach recognizes a player is having a horrible game, he replaces him with a different player especially if that off night is hurting his team's chance of winning.

Wait...you mean Gottfried coached a poor game this past Saturday? Not surprising. I am not throwing Gottfried under the bus, but he could have managed the game a lot better.

I think with our short bench Gottfried had no choice but keep playing CJL.

I don't buy that.  Sports is all about giving someone an opportunity to excel when others are not performing at their usual standards.  Who the hell knows, maybe #34 comes in an sparks the Pack with a blocked shot, a charge, a hustle play, or a follow dunk.  You never know until you try it.

Who knew Tyler Lewis would have played the way he has if not for Lorenzo's ankle injury?  Gott's hand was forced.  IMO, his hand was forced on Saturday but he decided to stick with Calvin.  I understand and respect his decision but I didn't agree with it.  We live and learn.

michael924 wrote:

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

A supposedly first round recruit should not have an off night playing against a rival...  Hodeg may be sayiing this so as to not get CJ further down in the dumps?

An off night is fine and happens to everyone, no matter who the opponent is. I think we're past the off night point though.

In terms of coaching and CJ Leslie, it seems like the staff is putting CJ in a bad position. Gott is making the commitment to go inside with the ball more often. Catching the ball, back to the basket, from ten feet away is not CJ's game.

CJ is at his best working from the elbow. When he gets the ball up high, he is able to shoot the 15 footer and he is able to make a single move and slash to the rim. This is what CJ is good at.

Question::: We look like a much better team with the bigs getting the ball in the high post. Remember how many times Painter handled the ball at the elbow and buried that shot! Are teams denying the ball up high? Seems like teams have figured out that if you can deny the pass to the high post, you can limit this offense. Any truth to that?

CJ also has a way of letting himself get psyched out by opponents. Remember how much John Henson was in his head?

Izanewman wrote: In terms of coaching and CJ Leslie, it seems like the staff is putting CJ in a bad position. Gott is making the commitment to go inside with the ball more often. Catching the ball, back to the basket, from ten feet away is not CJ's game.

CJ is at his best working from the elbow. When he gets the ball up high, he is able to shoot the 15 footer and he is able to make a single move and slash to the rim. This is what CJ is good at.

Question::: We look like a much better team with the bigs getting the ball in the high post. Remember how many times Painter handled the ball at the elbow and buried that shot! Are teams denying the ball up high? Seems like teams have figured out that if you can deny the pass to the high post, you can limit this offense. Any truth to that?

There's a lot of truth to this, but often times Calvin makes it much more difficult than that.  Even when Calvin catches the ball at the elbow which IMO is a sweet spot for him, his first instinct is to drive closer to the basket. 

Someone have posted this many times and it's so true...rarely does anything positive happens if Calvin has the ball in his hands over two seconds.

I would sit CJ for the first few minutes and let him watch the game.

But Iz pretty much nailed it. He should be playing from the elbow, not the block. It's setting him up to fail IMO.

hunwolf wrote: I would sit CJ for the first few minutes and let him watch the game.

But Iz pretty much nailed it. He should be playing from the elbow, not the block. It's setting him up to fail IMO.

Yep.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

I would say to Mr. Hodge:

1st, it is not 1 bad game, he has had many games over the past three years where he just disappears.

2nd, I would say that if he had Mr. Hodge's will to win and drive he would probably be unstoppable. look at the still pic of his dunk in the FSU game, his elbows are rim high, how is it possible he does not rebound any better than he does?

3rd, I would bet that he has done as little during the off season to improve his game. IMO I see very little improvement in his ball handling skills, his jump shot from any distance, his rebounding, his overall post play. Does he exhibit any fundemental basket balls moves? A good drop step, jump hook, give and go, blocking out, solid defensive positioning, has he become a better FT shooter, etc?

He has been give a wonderfuls set of physical abilities and maybe I am wrong but he seems to be squandering them.

I am not down on him, I like the kid, I'm glad he is playing for us, I will pull for him just as I do everyone else on the Team. just wish he would get it together, mostly for his own sake.

jds0881 wrote:

Wolfs Lare wrote:

PicklePacker wrote: I would imagine that a player like Calvin Leslie really pisses off one Julius Hodge. Can you imagine if Hodge had of had Leslie's God given ability? If you combine Leslie's talent with Hodge's spirit you'd have the makings of one of the greatest players of all time IMO. Hodge refused to lose. He didn't care about scoring he just wanted to win. It didn't matter if he was having a bad game he didn't sulk. He kept playing and made his teammates better and found other ways to help the team win. Damn I love Julius and if this team had a player like him we'd be undefeated. That's exactly what this team needs. Now that I think about it, somebody tell Gottfried to arrange a "play date" between Hodge and Leslie. Let Hodge tell Leslie what he needs to do if he wants to be successful. Let Hodge show him tape of his 10 best games in his career and show Leslie how to be a leader and a competitor. Leslie may relate better to Hodge than Gottfried. As a matter of fact, if I were Gottfried I'd do whatever it took to have Julius Hodge on my staff. Who better to get the guys on the right track. You won't find a bigger fan of NC State than Julius.

Based on his Twitter comments, I think this board pisses off Julius more than Calvin.  

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

A kid have 1 bad game and EVERYONE turns their back on him? But the fan base feels betrayed when a kid pulls a 1 and done/snubs the school.

Julius Hodge ‏ @ Follow24Hodge

Look up the season stats and then go on that same "message board" and start an apology thread immediately.

My feeling exactly Jules.  No he did not play well on Saturday but it wasnt for lack of effort.  IMO he knew he had a mismatch with Hairston guarding him and tried to force a little to much.

I think some decide that anytime a player is off, is outplayed that they are not trying and don't care. I do not get that from CJ. What bothers me is his or somebody's in-game learning curve. There is an old maxim in tennis...Never change a winning game and always change a losing game. I cannot imagine that Gott realizing that CJ was being heavily defended would tell him to keep forcing the issue. I don't know how CJ could not see what was happening and look to pass.