hunwolf wrote: Real basketball doesn't begin until March 14th as long as you win enough before that to get in the real tourney.

Given that its not March 14th yet...well...

Pacfanweb wrote: There's something wrong with anyone who thinks this season is disappointing.

Again, this is a team that lost some senior leadership last year, and even with those seniors had to play our way into the NCAAT in the ACCT. Then got a couple of breaks and made it into the Sweet 16.

Lose the seniors, add some very talented freshmen, and suddenly we're supposed to be top 5, or top 10?

What idiot actually bought into that? And even if they did, who the hell doesn't now realize that pre-season hype was dead wrong? Everyone should have flushed those ridiculous expectations long ago. We're not there yet.
Still, we are ahead of where we were at this time last year. Far ahead. We are a lock for the NCAA's. That's a big step. Probably only the 2nd time since V was here.

The new kids have all been battle-tested, and are all now able to contribute when needed. We've split with Carolina and Duke. Played Michigan close. Beaten UConn in what was essentially a road game. Been in every loss with a chance to win except one.
Great recruiting class signed, that might get even better. More on the way after them.

Sure, losing to anyone is frustrating, especially a team like UNC that we are clearly better than if we both play our best games....but after all these years, I seriously have to question your intelligence if you are truly disappointed in this season.

Gee Gee wrote: Last year, started out slow and the guys learned and by the end of the year they were a real "team."  This year I'm not so sure about being a team.

WNCpackfan wrote:

Pacfanweb wrote: There's something wrong with anyone who thinks this season is disappointing.

Again, this is a team that lost some senior leadership last year, and even with those seniors had to play our way into the NCAAT in the ACCT. Then got a couple of breaks and made it into the Sweet 16.

Lose the seniors, add some very talented freshmen, and suddenly we're supposed to be top 5, or top 10?

What idiot actually bought into that? And even if they did, who the hell doesn't now realize that pre-season hype was dead wrong? Everyone should have flushed those ridiculous expectations long ago. We're not there yet.
Still, we are ahead of where we were at this time last year. Far ahead. We are a lock for the NCAA's. That's a big step. Probably only the 2nd time since V was here.

The new kids have all been battle-tested, and are all now able to contribute when needed. We've split with Carolina and Duke. Played Michigan close. Beaten UConn in what was essentially a road game. Been in every loss with a chance to win except one.
Great recruiting class signed, that might get even better. More on the way after them.

Sure, losing to anyone is frustrating, especially a team like UNC that we are clearly better than if we both play our best games....but after all these years, I seriously have to question your intelligence if you are truly disappointed in this season.

Agree 100 percent...

It's truly amazing how our own fan base look at one game and try to gauge the whole season.

I think to look at us and to judge our success, you have to look at the big picture.

1. Barring a major collapse (i.e. not winning another game in the regular season) we are safely an NCAA tournament team.

2. We are still a top 4 team in the league and more than capable of winning the ACC-T.


The worst thing that happened to our fans was the major media (ESPN) blowing our heads up with all the pre-season projections. Shame on you for getting caught up in it.


If there is one thing that I would deem close to being a disappointment it would be with the progress of some individuals and one person in particular...we all know who that is so there is no need to identify that person. Thankfully, we have enough talent out there to where it hasn't turned into a big enough problem to completely affect the overall mission...

WBinNYC wrote:
Hmmmmm, Did I say last season in my original post? Did I mention a herb's sweet 16 as another anomaly of Wolfpack bliss? Can ya read?

Point is, fans of my generation have continuously been disappointed by State athletics. Especially basketball. Though I'll never give it up, it's become an activity that you really have to take with a grain of salt. I mean, who likes being 2nd best or much less where State falls in the ACC in basketball in the normal year.

This year has been the worst by far due to expectations. I did expect, not to win but to compete for the regular season title.


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--- hunwolf wrote:

How did you feel about last season on February 23, 2012?

His did you feel about Herb's sweet 16 season on February 23rd of that year?

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WBinNYC wrote: I guess we should all accept that State is second rate.

WBinNYC wrote: I guess we should all accept that State is second rate.

WBinNYC wrote:
I think we have fans that say the regular season means squat because we never come close to competing, much less winning. The same things about the culture and the process of changing it we said during the decade the desert fox spent here.
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--- packmanncsu wrote:

WBinNYC wrote: I guess we should all accept that State is second rate.

No one is accepting it, but the culture isn't going to change overnight and last years run to the Sweet 16 (and almost the Elite 8) plus this years preseason rankings caused many, myself included, to drink the kool-aid and expect more than was realistic. 

The program is headed in the right direction and I feel it will be sooner than later we can legitimately discuss ACC Championships (still possible this year, regular season means squat with regards to ACC Champion) and potential deep runs in the NCAA Tournament.

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WBinNYC wrote:
I think we have fans that say the regular season means squat because we never come close to competing, much less winning. The same things about the culture and the process of changing it we said during the decade the desert fox spent here.
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--- packmanncsu wrote:

WBinNYC wrote: I guess we should all accept that State is second rate.

No one is accepting it, but the culture isn't going to change overnight and last years run to the Sweet 16 (and almost the Elite 8) plus this years preseason rankings caused many, myself included, to drink the kool-aid and expect more than was realistic. 

The program is headed in the right direction and I feel it will be sooner than later we can legitimately discuss ACC Championships (still possible this year, regular season means squat with regards to ACC Champion) and potential deep runs in the NCAA Tournament.

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I would say the last season that was not a disappointment was 1987 because of the ACC tourny win.  So there is still hope for this season.  However, I keep hearing discussion about unrealistic expectations for this team.  My expectations were a top 25 team and solidly being in the top 4 of the ACC.  I don't think this was unreasonable.  The way I see it thus far is this team underachieved.  I kept hoping to see this team turn the corner as the season progressed but they have not done that.  Certainly Zo's injury set them back a little.  I was hoping to be seeing more of Tyler at this point.  There are certainly issues cropping up such as defense, game management, player development that give some concern about the coaching this team is receiving.  Hopefully, we can see better play come tourny time and have the season end on a high note.  Right now I feel like I am hoping to see a change in this team that is not going to happen. 

WBinNYC wrote:
I thought the point of playing was to hang banners.....

Drlada wrote: Who else were preseason ranked and not in top 25 - Kentucky and UNC off the top of my head. They seem to be able to accept it better than us probably because they've tasted success.

Drlada wrote: Who else were preseason ranked and not in top 25 - Kentucky and UNC off the top of my head. They seem to be able to accept it better than us probably because they've tasted success.