Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

ncdoc wrote:

Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

EXACTLY!!!!  Only issue was UNC took a LOI from a kid with no chance of graduating.

ncdoc wrote:

Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

EXACTLY!!!!  Only issue was UNC took a LOI from a kid with no chance of graduating.

BackNine wrote: If I was Donna Shalala, I would HAVE to publically call out the NCAA's handling of the UNC scandal, or lack thereof, in comparison to what they just handed down to Miami. If that's not hard evidence of favoritism and the presence of an agenda I don't know what is. Now that Miami has been hit with this allegation, they can take the gloves off. If I were Shalala I would get in front of every microphone I could and call out this injustice. And if it ticked off my colleagues in Chapel Hill then so be it. This double-standard is blatant  and can NOT be allowed to stand.  Not saying Miami is innocent - just saying that UNC is at least as guilty as Miami and probably more so. And that's before we talk about the efforts of coverup committed by the UNC politicos and other UNC surogates (Martin).

duckmanjw wrote: Even throwing the Shapiro part out the window, there were enough violations found across multiple sports based on factual information, including multiple coaches to warrant the LOIC, especially for a program with the violations history of Miami.  

Most of this information was uncovered by the U itself, turned over to the NCAA and is the reason they self-imposed penalties.  If any of what Shapiro said was fact, the failure to monitor charge in regards to him is warranted, which is similar to what UNC got with ex-players and agents.

Until the school releases the NOA letter which they don't have to, you have to assume the AD is putting on a show to take everyone's eyes on the factual parts of the report.

WOLFDAC wrote: I'll be so happy when the Powder Keg that is UNC* finally blows, it will be a day of reckoning that is long overdue. Hopefully, the handling of the U and the blatant mishandling of the Hole will be the spark. It's hard to fathom how they (NCAA) can botch the investigation at the U, then proceed anyway and just not think the general public will not see through the sham going on in CH.

seniorwolf60 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

duckmanjw wrote:

BleedWolfpackRed wrote: I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

Emmert became the boss of the NCAA about half way through the UNC investigation.  To me, he could easily say, looking back and based on what we know now, a return visit to UNC is mandated.   If anything it would make him and the NCAA look better in light of this Miami debacle.

true but based on their recent history, my bet is they keep doing the opposite of what would make them look better.

Being wrong or inept is not a matter of concern to the NCAA when dealing with UNC. It's all about relationships. The people running the NCAA for the most part are administrators and lawyers. UNC is well fortified with lawyers and administrators in prominent places. They speak each other's language very nicely. Any wrongdoing by UNC, no matter how egregious, is portrayed as a minor aberration in a very wholesome system. Everything comes with a built in bias.

theSal wrote: Just search "Emmert" on Twitter if you want to see people calling for his head.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Emmert note:not a mobile link

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

EXACTLY!!!!  Only issue was UNC took a LOI from a kid with no chance of graduating.

Questions:

1) When do you think it's reasonable that someone within carolina's administration would have known a player a year and a half short of graduating wasn't going to qualify?

2) When did you send your transcripts to colleges?

3) Let's assume unc-ch* didn't figure out/find out/discover Williams wasn't going to qualify until after his fall semester of his senior year. They had 4 months to recruit someone else. Why didn't pull the offer and open recruiting?

4) If you knew he wouldn't qualify, for two years, why even get him to sign an LOI? Just to kill a tree?

OBXtriwolf wrote:

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--- BleedWolfpackRed wrote:

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

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I agree. The NCAA is looking pretty inept right now. They are not going to go back to Cheater Hill. That would be admitting their ineptitude.

redterrors04 wrote: I can't believe people are surprised unc still manages to skate by basically untouched while other schools suffer...shocked I tell you shocked. More articles to get hopes up.

dpanther wrote: Seriously ncdouche....what the dealio? This just surprise you guys out of the blue?


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--- wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

EXACTLY!!!!  Only issue was UNC took a LOI from a kid with no chance of graduating.

Questions:

1) When do you think it's reasonable that someone within carolina's administration would have known a player a year and a half short of graduating wasn't going to qualify?

2) When did you send your transcripts to colleges?

3) Let's assume unc-ch* didn't figure out/find out/discover Williams wasn't going to qualify until after his fall semester of his senior year. They had 4 months to recruit someone else. Why didn't pull the offer and open recruiting?

4) If you knew he wouldn't qualify, for two years, why even get him to sign an LOI? Just to kill a tree?

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Guys, This is EXACTLY what is going on here. OBX nailed it. You need to get over it. The NCAA is NOT coming back to Chapel Hill. They skated by. It sucks but that's all that happens.

It's time to learn from Jim Carey in "Liar Liar".....what are you gonna do about it?

"NOTHING!! I'm gonna piss and moan and bend over and take it up the tailpipe!!!"

redterrors04 wrote:

OBXtriwolf wrote:

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--- BleedWolfpackRed wrote:

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

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I agree. The NCAA is looking pretty inept right now. They are not going to go back to Cheater Hill. That would be admitting their ineptitude.

Bymie wrote:

Guys, This is EXACTLY what is going on here. OBX nailed it. You need to get over it. The NCAA is NOT coming back to Chapel Hill. They skated by. It sucks but that's all that happens.

It's time to learn from Jim Carey in "Liar Liar".....what are you gonna do about it?

"NOTHING!! I'm gonna piss and moan and bend over and take it up the tailpipe!!!"

BlackRazor wrote:

Bymie wrote:

Guys, This is EXACTLY what is going on here. OBX nailed it. You need to get over it. The NCAA is NOT coming back to Chapel Hill. They skated by. It sucks but that's all that happens.

It's time to learn from Jim Carey in "Liar Liar".....what are you gonna do about it?

"NOTHING!! I'm gonna piss and moan and bend over and take it up the tailpipe!!!"

I doubt most think the NCAA will return to UNC but that doesn't mean other schools should just accept the NCAA having 2 different sets of rules.

If 1 of the reasons the NCAA backed off was UNC threatened to sue, Miami should do the same thing. Schools can't allow the NCAA to pick & choose who plays by the rules & who doesn't.

This! If the effectiveness of an organization is going to be compromised because some violator decides to sue, then the organization has no purpose for existence. The best way for the NCAA to fend off the likelihood of such lawsuits is to operate with a high level of competence and consistency. This is where the NCAA has made itself vulnerable. The way the NCAA has been operating during the past few years makes pending lawsuits look like a row of standing dominos.

aglarang wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

EXACTLY!!!!  Only issue was UNC took a LOI from a kid with no chance of graduating.

Questions:

1) When do you think it's reasonable that someone within carolina's administration would have known a player a year and a half short of graduating wasn't going to qualify?

2) When did you send your transcripts to colleges?

3) Let's assume unc-ch* didn't figure out/find out/discover Williams wasn't going to qualify until after his fall semester of his senior year. They had 4 months to recruit someone else. Why didn't pull the offer and open recruiting?

4) If you knew he wouldn't qualify, for two years, why even get him to sign an LOI? Just to kill a tree?

Sadly unc-cheat can claim to be on the right side here since he was never admitted.  Even though circumstances seem to say that he would have gotten in if not for the reporter blowing the story before William's enrollment.  We will not know at this point.  It looks like a duck and walks like a duck, but it never quacked, so we cannot say for certainty that it was a duck.  Now, there are certainly many other Rhode's scholars we can look at from their athletics where some digging could probably unearth shenanigans to get them into school... Dwight Jones, Ronald Curry, Ed Cota (I thought I heard stuff about him, but that could be my faulty memory...  Some would bring up JR Reid, but my understanding was that he was actually a fairly smart kid and did well in school..)

seniorwolf60 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

Bymie wrote:

Guys, This is EXACTLY what is going on here. OBX nailed it. You need to get over it. The NCAA is NOT coming back to Chapel Hill. They skated by. It sucks but that's all that happens.

It's time to learn from Jim Carey in "Liar Liar".....what are you gonna do about it?

"NOTHING!! I'm gonna piss and moan and bend over and take it up the tailpipe!!!"

I doubt most think the NCAA will return to UNC but that doesn't mean other schools should just accept the NCAA having 2 different sets of rules.

If 1 of the reasons the NCAA backed off was UNC threatened to sue, Miami should do the same thing. Schools can't allow the NCAA to pick & choose who plays by the rules & who doesn't.

This! If the effectiveness of an organization is going to be compromised because some violator decides to sue, then the organization has no purpose for existence. The best way for the NCAA to fend off the likelihood of such lawsuits is to operate with a high level of competence and consistency. This is where the NCAA has made itself vulnerable. The way the NCAA has been operating during the past few years makes pending lawsuits look like a row of standing dominos.

great points, that's why this LOIC charge so soon is so surprising. A UNC poster thought Miami would get off due to the NCAA admitting they had problems.

The NCAA may have chosen the wrong time to pick this fight.

ncdoc wrote:

dpanther wrote: Seriously ncdouche....what the dealio? This just surprise you guys out of the blue?


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--- wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

EXACTLY!!!!  Only issue was UNC took a LOI from a kid with no chance of graduating.

Questions:

1) When do you think it's reasonable that someone within carolina's administration would have known a player a year and a half short of graduating wasn't going to qualify?

2) When did you send your transcripts to colleges?

3) Let's assume unc-ch* didn't figure out/find out/discover Williams wasn't going to qualify until after his fall semester of his senior year. They had 4 months to recruit someone else. Why didn't pull the offer and open recruiting?

4) If you knew he wouldn't qualify, for two years, why even get him to sign an LOI? Just to kill a tree?

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1- Reasonable to think they would have known about it at least a year in advance and I'd be surprisaed if they didn't.

2- Sent my transcripts when I applied for admissions in Nov of my Sr. year

3- Who's to say they weren't recruiting other kids? However, I think guys like Mourning, Owens, Mills, Sealy and Laettner had al committed to top 10 programs at the time. I know UNC recruited Owens very hard up until the time he chose Syracuse so, it's not like they bypassed others because Williams had committed.

4- I thought we were true huggers not killers. Maybe it mean't something to the kid, his HS, his coach and/or his family for him to claim he signed with UNC. I have no idea why the kid signed just like I have no idea why some kids sign LOI's on football signing date when they know they won't qualify and they will be free to sign elsewhere after prep school.

You have your own impression of what would have happened while I hold on tto the facts of what DID happen. Big difference between those two.

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

aglarang wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

EXACTLY!!!!  Only issue was UNC took a LOI from a kid with no chance of graduating.

Questions:

1) When do you think it's reasonable that someone within carolina's administration would have known a player a year and a half short of graduating wasn't going to qualify?

2) When did you send your transcripts to colleges?

3) Let's assume unc-ch* didn't figure out/find out/discover Williams wasn't going to qualify until after his fall semester of his senior year. They had 4 months to recruit someone else. Why didn't pull the offer and open recruiting?

4) If you knew he wouldn't qualify, for two years, why even get him to sign an LOI? Just to kill a tree?

Sadly unc-cheat can claim to be on the right side here since he was never admitted.  Even though circumstances seem to say that he would have gotten in if not for the reporter blowing the story before William's enrollment.  We will not know at this point.  It looks like a duck and walks like a duck, but it never quacked, so we cannot say for certainty that it was a duck.  Now, there are certainly many other Rhode's scholars we can look at from their athletics where some digging could probably unearth shenanigans to get them into school... Dwight Jones, Ronald Curry, Ed Cota (I thought I heard stuff about him, but that could be my faulty memory...  Some would bring up JR Reid, but my understanding was that he was actually a fairly smart kid and did well in school..)

Yep, and I never said they committed a violation.

What I initially posted was the KW recruitment should have started opening people's eyes as to what the real background checks on unc-ch* athletes were all about.

It made zero sense that they would let a recruiting class be deficient knowing at least 6 months in advance KW would never qualify.

The people that don't smell something fishy there are the people that would look at Marvin Austin's Cheescake Factory tweet and say "so, he had a nice lunch. What's the big deal?"

ncdoc wrote:

dpanther wrote: Seriously ncdouche....what the dealio? This just surprise you guys out of the blue?


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--- wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

EXACTLY!!!!  Only issue was UNC took a LOI from a kid with no chance of graduating.

Questions:

1) When do you think it's reasonable that someone within carolina's administration would have known a player a year and a half short of graduating wasn't going to qualify?

2) When did you send your transcripts to colleges?

3) Let's assume unc-ch* didn't figure out/find out/discover Williams wasn't going to qualify until after his fall semester of his senior year. They had 4 months to recruit someone else. Why didn't pull the offer and open recruiting?

4) If you knew he wouldn't qualify, for two years, why even get him to sign an LOI? Just to kill a tree?

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1- Reasonable to think they would have known about it at least a year in advance and I'd be surprisaed if they didn't.

2- Sent my transcripts when I applied for admissions in Nov of my Sr. year  (which also supports the "they knew" long before recruiting season kicked in.)

3- Who's to say they weren't recruiting other kids? However, I think guys like Mourning, Owens, Mills, Sealy and Laettner had al committed to top 10 programs at the time. I know UNC recruited Owens very hard up until the time he chose Syracuse so, it's not like they bypassed others because Williams had committed. (Owens wanted badly to go to unc-ch*. He idolized Smith, and Lebo was a former HS teammate. But Smith didn't want to take the chance on a "sketchy" academic record.

4- I thought we were true huggers not killers. Maybe it mean't something to the kid, his HS, his coach and/or his family for him to claim he signed with UNC. I have no idea why the kid signed just like I have no idea why some kids sign LOI's on football signing date when they know they won't qualify and they will be free to sign elsewhere after prep school.

You have your own impression of what would have happened while I hold on tto the facts of what DID happen. Big difference between those two.

ncdoc wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

aglarang wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

EXACTLY!!!!  Only issue was UNC took a LOI from a kid with no chance of graduating.

Questions:

1) When do you think it's reasonable that someone within carolina's administration would have known a player a year and a half short of graduating wasn't going to qualify?

2) When did you send your transcripts to colleges?

3) Let's assume unc-ch* didn't figure out/find out/discover Williams wasn't going to qualify until after his fall semester of his senior year. They had 4 months to recruit someone else. Why didn't pull the offer and open recruiting?

4) If you knew he wouldn't qualify, for two years, why even get him to sign an LOI? Just to kill a tree?

Sadly unc-cheat can claim to be on the right side here since he was never admitted.  Even though circumstances seem to say that he would have gotten in if not for the reporter blowing the story before William's enrollment.  We will not know at this point.  It looks like a duck and walks like a duck, but it never quacked, so we cannot say for certainty that it was a duck.  Now, there are certainly many other Rhode's scholars we can look at from their athletics where some digging could probably unearth shenanigans to get them into school... Dwight Jones, Ronald Curry, Ed Cota (I thought I heard stuff about him, but that could be my faulty memory...  Some would bring up JR Reid, but my understanding was that he was actually a fairly smart kid and did well in school..)

Yep, and I never said they committed a violation.

What I initially posted was the KW recruitment should have started opening people's eyes as to what the real background checks on unc-ch* athletes were all about.

It made zero sense that they would let a recruiting class be deficient knowing at least 6 months in advance KW would never qualify.

The people that don't smell something fishy there are the people that would look at Marvin Austin's Cheescake Factory tweet and say "so, he had a nice lunch. What's the big deal?"

It's not like they didn't recruit other players that year. I recall they were in the hunt for Owens until the day he chose Syracuse. Many thought the fact that Jeff Lebo's Dad coached Owens would have given UNC an advantage but, it didn't turn out that way.

And here's one from the LA Times:

"Just as Jeff Lebo made Owens better by pushing him, motivating him, being an extra big brother. Billy Owens picked Syracuse because his brother is there and he feels comfortable with the Orangemen players, but almost went to North Carolina because of Lebo.

"I think Coach (Dean) Smith's the best coach in the world. . . . He told me I had the potential to be a No. 1 draft choice in the pros," Owens said. "But, most of all, I would have loved to play with Jeff Lebo again." "

Big whoop.

I see you have latched onto this now. Typical misdirection from a unc-ch* PR man.

Go answer PB's questions.

edit: And my last one. Why did everyone in the nation know Owens may not qualify (but he did), and no one knew about Williams, who was half his HS education short?

Perhaps, maybe, possibly unc-ch* could control Pasquotank County's educational process?

I know, you need facts, not opinion. But, I like thinking outside the box, not in a vacuum.

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

And here's one from the LA Times:

"Just as Jeff Lebo made Owens better by pushing him, motivating him, being an extra big brother. Billy Owens picked Syracuse because his brother is there and he feels comfortable with the Orangemen players, but almost went to North Carolina because of Lebo.

"I think Coach (Dean) Smith's the best coach in the world. . . . He told me I had the potential to be a No. 1 draft choice in the pros," Owens said. "But, most of all, I would have loved to play with Jeff Lebo again." "

Big whoop.

I see you have latched onto this now. Typical misdirection from a unc-ch* PR man.

Go answer PB's questions.

Planet Boulder wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

dpanther wrote: Seriously ncdouche....what the dealio? This just surprise you guys out of the blue?


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--- wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

EXACTLY!!!!  Only issue was UNC took a LOI from a kid with no chance of graduating.

Questions:

1) When do you think it's reasonable that someone within carolina's administration would have known a player a year and a half short of graduating wasn't going to qualify?

2) When did you send your transcripts to colleges?

3) Let's assume unc-ch* didn't figure out/find out/discover Williams wasn't going to qualify until after his fall semester of his senior year. They had 4 months to recruit someone else. Why didn't pull the offer and open recruiting?

4) If you knew he wouldn't qualify, for two years, why even get him to sign an LOI? Just to kill a tree?

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1- Reasonable to think they would have known about it at least a year in advance and I'd be surprisaed if they didn't.

2- Sent my transcripts when I applied for admissions in Nov of my Sr. year

3- Who's to say they weren't recruiting other kids? However, I think guys like Mourning, Owens, Mills, Sealy and Laettner had al committed to top 10 programs at the time. I know UNC recruited Owens very hard up until the time he chose Syracuse so, it's not like they bypassed others because Williams had committed.

4- I thought we were true huggers not killers. Maybe it mean't something to the kid, his HS, his coach and/or his family for him to claim he signed with UNC. I have no idea why the kid signed just like I have no idea why some kids sign LOI's on football signing date when they know they won't qualify and they will be free to sign elsewhere after prep school.

You have your own impression of what would have happened while I hold on tto the facts of what DID happen. Big difference between those two.

ncdoc: In #s 3 and 4 above, it *seems* that you are admitting that you don't have the facts regarding what actually happened. Am I incorrect? If so, what are the facts that we are missing?

I'm now honestly curious.

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote: ^^Like I said, nice misdirection.

ncdoc wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote: ^^Like I said, nice misdirection.

Very difficult to classify something as misdirection when you're the person that brought up the topic of Kenny Williams. All I've done is respond to your beliefs with facts.

Remind me again, what argument are you trying to prove?

sloth wrote: Miami fans should be so mad with the ncaa regarding UNC CH when you consider
the Heels admitted to academic fraud,
a large number of athletes were enrolled in the fraudulent classes giving them an unfair advantage over other programs where the athletes had to study and thus had less practice/gym time, and the Tar Heels won several national titles while enjoying this unfair advantage.

How can the NCAA not even open an investigation into this? It is amazing!