BleedWolfpackRed wrote: I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

Emmert became the boss of the NCAA about half way through the UNC investigation.  To me, he could easily say, looking back and based on what we know now, a return visit to UNC is mandated.   If anything it would make him and the NCAA look better in light of this Miami debacle.

duckmanjw wrote:

BleedWolfpackRed wrote: I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

Emmert became the boss of the NCAA about half way through the UNC investigation.  To me, he could easily say, looking back and based on what we know now, a return visit to UNC is mandated.   If anything it would make him and the NCAA look better in light of this Miami debacle.

true but based on their recent history, my bet is they keep doing the opposite of what would make them look better.

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--- BleedWolfpackRed wrote:

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

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I agree. The NCAA is looking pretty inept right now. They are not going to go back to Cheater Hill. That would be admitting their ineptitude.

BlackRazor wrote:

BleedWolfpackRed wrote: I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

and I hope that comes back to bite them & Miami comes after them.

I've never heard so many national sports people slam the NCAA like I have today. Miami almost seems like the good/innocent guys & with their history, that's really saying something!

I have heard the same....they are calling for Emmert to step down.

No kidding rayzer 1234.

Speaking of knocking on doors. I still get a great laugh at the JoPa story about the head honcho at PSU coming to fire him and the ol' coot not letting him in the house.

**** the NCAA and their playing favorites. Some here are right. The Carolina and Miami cases are different and The U has a history but there is no denying that the NCAA is protecting THE LEGACY at Cheater Hill.

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If they ever come knocking at our door we should flip the bird and laugh in their faces.

19pack76 wrote: Godallmighty NCAA. They hammer Miami and doing it using questionable methods and motives and volunteer info from Miami. But Carolina pretty much skates?

The saying, "What's good for GM is good for America" has been bastardized by the NCAA.

"What's good for UNC-Ch is good for the NCAA."

What miserable fat-heads they are.

If they ever come knocking at our door I hope we fight them tooth and nail. Never volunteer anything and never give up.

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Treyvon wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

BleedWolfpackRed wrote: I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

and I hope that comes back to bite them & Miami comes after them.

I've never heard so many national sports people slam the NCAA like I have today. Miami almost seems like the good/innocent guys & with their history, that's really saying something!

I have heard the same....they are calling for Emmert to step down.

Can someone lay out for those of us who aren't Twitter-friendly what exactly has been said on the subject of sportswriters calling for Emmert's head?

Thanks in advance... definitely interesting.

I don't totally agree here. Returning to UNC is not an admission that the initial visit and "remedy" was a mistake or that the NCAA is inept. They have said all along that they might be back if new information comes forward (and it continues to do so). Returning to UNC could be seen as being thorough and should bring more credibility to the organization if they step up and do the right thing.

OBXtriwolf wrote:

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--- BleedWolfpackRed wrote:

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

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I agree. The NCAA is looking pretty inept right now. They are not going to go back to Cheater Hill. That would be admitting their ineptitude.

BlackRazor wrote:

duckmanjw wrote:

BleedWolfpackRed wrote: I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

Emmert became the boss of the NCAA about half way through the UNC investigation.  To me, he could easily say, looking back and based on what we know now, a return visit to UNC is mandated.   If anything it would make him and the NCAA look better in light of this Miami debacle.

true but based on their recent history, my bet is they keep doing the opposite of what would make them look better.

Being wrong or inept is not a matter of concern to the NCAA when dealing with UNC. It's all about relationships. The people running the NCAA for the most part are administrators and lawyers. UNC is well fortified with lawyers and administrators in prominent places. They speak each other's language very nicely. Any wrongdoing by UNC, no matter how egregious, is portrayed as a minor aberration in a very wholesome system. Everything comes with a built in bias.

Sec17WufPacker wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

wrcwolf wrote: Shalala response indicates that Miami will battle this extremely hard. A stronger statement than what USC gave when they were delivered their NOA. A statement that was used against USC by the COI. My guess is that they come up on the better end than the Trojans.

Comparing UNC to Miami is not worthwhile. Totally different cases and the NCAA doesn't want to open up the sham of the salaries they are paying their employees, the athletes.

Totally agree.

Will be interesting to see what the NCAA suggests as punishment, Miami sit out a 3rd bowl year? Miami self imposed 2, seems like losing a few ships @ most & time served because if they sit 3, is the NCAA really saying Miami's almost as bad a Penn State?

How does the NCAA decide punishments, spin a big wheel like on the Price is Right?

All the **** that Miami was doing...after being punished before? Don't you think this is cause for the death penalty? Loss of 15 scholarships a year, 2/3 year post season ban, and loss of revenue.  They had people pay for abortions, took recruits on boats that had prostitutes, paid players. I mean, they did it all.

Of course Miami deserves the death penalty... UNC deserves it 1000 times more, though.

ncdoc wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

No I didn't miss it - it's just that UNC had everything under cover for all those years. They had the perfect scam/cover going.

Kenny Williams. That should have been enough to start raising eyebrows all by itself.

Remind me again when did Kenny Williams enroll at UNC. I must have missed that.

The fact that you even know who he is tells me you know exactly what l'm talking about.

The NCAA handed down punishment for the athletic scandals involving Austin and others who took improper gifts etc. The Academic side was not really addressed at that time. UNC even punished themselves as I recall.

Frankly, the fake classes and grade changes have never even been addressed by the NCAA at least not since all the recent data has been discovered. I could be wrong but I don't think the NCAA has really done anything about this stuff.

I do not see how it would even be difficult at all, for Emmert or anyone else to simply say....we need to revisit this situation.

In my opinion, if they don't, they will wither away to nothing.

The end of the NCAA is near. Miami will fight this tooth and nail and not going back to UNC* will get them even more hammered via print.

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

No I didn't miss it - it's just that UNC had everything under cover for all those years. They had the perfect scam/cover going.

Kenny Williams. That should have been enough to start raising eyebrows all by itself.

Remind me again when did Kenny Williams enroll at UNC. I must have missed that.

The fact that you even know who he is tells me you know exactly what l'm talking about.

He was a freaking top 5 nationally HS player from the state of NC. Why wouldn't I know who he is? Do you know who Jason Parker is? Both top 5 nationally ranked players from North Carolina and neither were admitted to UNC.

NCAA Committee On Infractions informed UM & coaches it wants to move expeditiously & have the UM case hearing on June 14-16 in Indianapolis. From Charles Robinson

NCAA's committee on infractions has a Friday conf call w/ UM prez Shalala & coaches named in NOA to discuss "procedural posturing" by UM.

"The NOA, released Tuesday evening, accuses former associate head coach John Blake of providing "false and misleading information" to NCAA investigators"

So Miami asst. coaches misled the NCAA and the school gets LOIC?  Blake did the same thing. Only UNC dashed off their little "disassociation letter", said the word "rogue" three times, and voila! Blake was magically "not UNC". Miami should have been taking notes from the pros-- but I think Shalala probably has some class, though.

ncdoc wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

No I didn't miss it - it's just that UNC had everything under cover for all those years. They had the perfect scam/cover going.

Kenny Williams. That should have been enough to start raising eyebrows all by itself.

Remind me again when did Kenny Williams enroll at UNC. I must have missed that.

The fact that you even know who he is tells me you know exactly what l'm talking about.

He was a freaking top 5 nationally HS player from the state of NC. Why wouldn't I know who he is? Do you know who Jason Parker is? Both top 5 nationally ranked players from North Carolina and neither were admitted to UNC.

You are just so adept at sidestepping issues. No, Williams didn't enroll, but I think you know very well that if not for a USAToday reporter breaking the story he would have. Like I said, it should have raised eyebrows back then, but somehow didn't.

I worked on that story, so don't try to tell me something I don't already know backwards and forwards.

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

No I didn't miss it - it's just that UNC had everything under cover for all those years. They had the perfect scam/cover going.

Kenny Williams. That should have been enough to start raising eyebrows all by itself.

Remind me again when did Kenny Williams enroll at UNC. I must have missed that.

The fact that you even know who he is tells me you know exactly what l'm talking about.

He was a freaking top 5 nationally HS player from the state of NC. Why wouldn't I know who he is? Do you know who Jason Parker is? Both top 5 nationally ranked players from North Carolina and neither were admitted to UNC.

You are just so adept at sidestepping issues. No, Williams didn't enroll, but I think you know very well that if not for a USAToday reporter breaking the story he would have. Like I said, it should have raised eyebrows back then, but somehow didn't.

I worked on that story, so don't try to tell me something I don't already know backwards and forwards.

Not sidestepping the issue at all. I know the Williams situation very well and though he may have been able to sign a LOI there is NO WAY he would have been admitted as a student if he didn't complete the requirements to graduate from High School. I don't care who the player is they wouldn't have been enrolled and you have no proof to dispute that fact.

ncdoc wrote: Not sidestepping the issue at all. I know the Williams situation very well and though he may have been able to sign a LOI there is NO WAY he would have been admitted as a student if he didn't complete the requirements to graduate from High School. I don't care who the player is they wouldn't have been enrolled and you have no proof to dispute that fact.

Two words for you:  Dwight Jones.

UNC would have found a way, they have a history that proves that.

BlackRazor wrote:

duckmanjw wrote:

BleedWolfpackRed wrote: I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

Emmert became the boss of the NCAA about half way through the UNC investigation.  To me, he could easily say, looking back and based on what we know now, a return visit to UNC is mandated.   If anything it would make him and the NCAA look better in light of this Miami debacle.

true but based on their recent history, my bet is they keep doing the opposite of what would make them look better.

so, what you are saying is that Emmert is the perfect candidate to replace Thorp as the next chancellor at cheater hill!

Hey Doc....what's happened "recently" that's opened your eyes? Some have known about that cesspool for a while now.

matt1990 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not sidestepping the issue at all. I know the Williams situation very well and though he may have been able to sign a LOI there is NO WAY he would have been admitted as a student if he didn't complete the requirements to graduate from High School. I don't care who the player is they wouldn't have been enrolled and you have no proof to dispute that fact.

Two words for you:  Dwight Jones.

UNC would have found a way, they have a history that proves that.

Of course not.

Because in late April of Williams' "senior" year unc-ch* admissions had already gotten back his transcript and said it was a no go.

And the unc-ch recruiting staff, that included roy williams (who recruited him until spring of '88), had already told this young man who they had kept a close eye on that he could not attend unc-ch because of substandard grades.

Oh wait, they didn't.

None of what carolina's administration did made any sense from an academic or recruiting angle. If the athletic dept had known he was short of requirements they'd have pulled the offer and searched for another high profile player months earlier, like Billy Owens or Alonzo Mourning, but they didn't.

unc-ch admissions should have received Williams' transcripts months before April, but they didn't. Or they did and let it pass.

Regardless, the USAToday story is what kept KW out of unc-ch*. It took carolina two days to reply officially, that the young man would never have been allowed in school and they wished him the best.

The only problem I ever had was with the reporter. He was so anxious to get a headline he couldn't wait 3 months for Williams to enroll, and then slam them.

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

matt1990 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not sidestepping the issue at all. I know the Williams situation very well and though he may have been able to sign a LOI there is NO WAY he would have been admitted as a student if he didn't complete the requirements to graduate from High School. I don't care who the player is they wouldn't have been enrolled and you have no proof to dispute that fact.

Two words for you:  Dwight Jones.

UNC would have found a way, they have a history that proves that.

Of course not.

Because in late April of Williams' "senior" year unc-ch* admissions had already gotten back his transcript and said it was a no go.

And the unc-ch recruiting staff, that included roy williams (who recruited him until spring of '88), had already told this young man who they had kept a close eye on that he could not attend unc-ch because of substandard grades.

Oh wait, they didn't.

None of what carolina's administration did made any sense from an academic or recruiting angle. If the athletic dept had known he was short of requirements they'd have pulled the offer and searched for another high profile player months earlier, like Billy Owens or Alonzo Mourning, but they didn't.

unc-ch admissions should have received Williams' transcripts months before April, but they didn't. Or they did and let it pass.

Regardless, the USAToday story is what kept KW out of unc-ch*. It took carolina two days to reply officially, that the young man would never have been allowed in school and they wished him the best.

The only problem I ever had was with the reporter. He was so anxious to get a headline he couldn't wait 3 months for Williams to enroll, and then slam them.

To be fair, someone else could have uncovered the dirt those 3 months and done what he did.

I have NO clue as to who Kenny Williams even is, but I do know that UNC has allowed players improve their academic standing both before and during college just by taking online courses, so ncdoc is very wrong in purporting that UNC would have never admitted a kid that does not meet academic requirements.

Obviously online courses did not exist back then, but so did a bunch of tools to prevent or catch cheating.

matt1990 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not sidestepping the issue at all. I know the Williams situation very well and though he may have been able to sign a LOI there is NO WAY he would have been admitted as a student if he didn't complete the requirements to graduate from High School. I don't care who the player is they wouldn't have been enrolled and you have no proof to dispute that fact.

Two words for you:  Dwight Jones.

UNC would have found a way, they have a history that proves that.

Roys history at kansas with deshawn stevenson also proves that.

One of a boat load of examples as to why the NCAA will not come back to the Hill. No doubt in my mind the NCAA and UNC* are in bed together. My belief is that there are many individuals within the NCAA that knew and have known for years what the Cheats were doing to keep athletes eligible.

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"The NOA, released Tuesday evening, accuses former associate head coach John Blake of providing "false and misleading information" to NCAA investigators"

So Miami asst. coaches misled the NCAA and the school gets LOIC?  Blake did the same thing. Only UNC dashed off their little "disassociation letter", said the word "rogue" three times, and voila! Blake was magically "not UNC". Miami should have been taking notes from the pros-- but I think Shalala probably has some class, though.

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Jay Bilas @JayBilas 2d Mr. Emmert: Your resignation is not just appropriate, it is required.

Among many other direct mentions, u don't need Twitter to view:

mobile.twitter.com/JayBilas/tweets

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--- matt1990 wrote:

Treyvon wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

BleedWolfpackRed wrote: I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

and I hope that comes back to bite them & Miami comes after them.

I've never heard so many national sports people slam the NCAA like I have today. Miami almost seems like the good/innocent guys & with their history, that's really saying something!

I have heard the same....they are calling for Emmert to step down.

Can someone lay out for those of us who aren't Twitter-friendly what exactly has been said on the subject of sportswriters calling for Emmert's head?

Thanks in advance... definitely interesting.

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two words: Dwight Jones?

how about Mike Copeland? 3 required courses short coming out of high school. tough part was, he also needed 3 A's! in them for the gpa to qualify. And it was just 8 weeks till practice started in Chapel Hill.  But Roy needed a big man badly that season. So, nooooo problem. UNC admissions "standards" for athletes-- LOL.

What happened at Miami was definitely wrong and they should be penalized for it.  So were the coaches involved in putting the booster in touch with the players or did they help distribute the money to the players?  Sorry I am not up with everything that they did wrong.  Does Miami deserve LOIC.  Yes.

 

It is also wrong what has been going on at UNC.  It was not an outside booster giving benefits to the players.  It was coaches at the university, tutors, administration and professors.  This not only devalues the sport but the education that the university provides.  This has been going on for many years and UNC has gone out of their way to hide and deflect the truth.  What is really bad is that it isn’t LOIC.  UNC is completely in control and knew what was going on was wrong but they did it anyway. 

 

So which is worse.  Both cheated and both should be punished.  But only one of the two will.  The NCAA should treat both for what they are.  Cheaters.

I never thought I would pull for Miami in anything. This LOIC changes that. If Miami can get LOIC.. then the CHeats, without doubt, have bribed, paid or blackmailed someone in Indy.

A Skunk is definitely in the room!

If I was Donna Shalala, I would HAVE to publically call out the NCAA's handling of the UNC scandal, or lack thereof, in comparison to what they just handed down to Miami. If that's not hard evidence of favoritism and the presence of an agenda I don't know what is. Now that Miami has been hit with this allegation, they can take the gloves off. If I were Shalala I would get in front of every microphone I could and call out this injustice. And if it ticked off my colleagues in Chapel Hill then so be it. This double-standard is blatant  and can NOT be allowed to stand.  Not saying Miami is innocent - just saying that UNC is at least as guilty as Miami and probably more so. And that's before we talk about the efforts of coverup committed by the UNC politicos and other UNC surogates (Martin).

wuffapotamus wrote: Jay Bilas @JayBilas 2d Mr. Emmert: Your resignation is not just appropriate, it is required.

Among many other direct mentions, u don't need Twitter to view:

mobile.twitter.com/JayBilas/tweets

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--- matt1990 wrote:

Treyvon wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

BleedWolfpackRed wrote: I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

and I hope that comes back to bite them & Miami comes after them.

I've never heard so many national sports people slam the NCAA like I have today. Miami almost seems like the good/innocent guys & with their history, that's really saying something!

I have heard the same....they are calling for Emmert to step down.

Can someone lay out for those of us who aren't Twitter-friendly what exactly has been said on the subject of sportswriters calling for Emmert's head?

Thanks in advance... definitely interesting.

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Every president of every BCS school should sign a petition to say they will not compete until he resigns.

The way he is operating is the polar opposite of the way someone in his position should conduct business.

UNC should be thanking Miami. This will keep the NCAA away from Chapped Hole for sure!

matt1990 wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

matt1990 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not sidestepping the issue at all. I know the Williams situation very well and though he may have been able to sign a LOI there is NO WAY he would have been admitted as a student if he didn't complete the requirements to graduate from High School. I don't care who the player is they wouldn't have been enrolled and you have no proof to dispute that fact.

Two words for you:  Dwight Jones.

UNC would have found a way, they have a history that proves that.

Of course not.

Because in late April of Williams' "senior" year unc-ch* admissions had already gotten back his transcript and said it was a no go.

And the unc-ch recruiting staff, that included roy williams (who recruited him until spring of '88), had already told this young man who they had kept a close eye on that he could not attend unc-ch because of substandard grades.

Oh wait, they didn't.

None of what carolina's administration did made any sense from an academic or recruiting angle. If the athletic dept had known he was short of requirements they'd have pulled the offer and searched for another high profile player months earlier, like Billy Owens or Alonzo Mourning, but they didn't.

unc-ch admissions should have received Williams' transcripts months before April, but they didn't. Or they did and let it pass.

Regardless, the USAToday story is what kept KW out of unc-ch*. It took carolina two days to reply officially, that the young man would never have been allowed in school and they wished him the best.

The only problem I ever had was with the reporter. He was so anxious to get a headline he couldn't wait 3 months for Williams to enroll, and then slam them.

To be fair, someone else could have uncovered the dirt those 3 months and done what he did.

I have NO clue as to who Kenny Williams even is, but I do know that UNC has allowed players improve their academic standing both before and during college just by taking online courses, so ncdoc is very wrong in purporting that UNC would have never admitted a kid that does not meet academic requirements.

Obviously online courses did not exist back then, but so did a bunch of tools to prevent or catch cheating.

I never said they never admitted a kid that didn't qualify. there have been examples of that but, I can't say as I ever recall them admitting a student that hadn't graduated from high school.

ncdoc wrote:

matt1990 wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

matt1990 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not sidestepping the issue at all. I know the Williams situation very well and though he may have been able to sign a LOI there is NO WAY he would have been admitted as a student if he didn't complete the requirements to graduate from High School. I don't care who the player is they wouldn't have been enrolled and you have no proof to dispute that fact.

Two words for you:  Dwight Jones.

UNC would have found a way, they have a history that proves that.

Of course not.

Because in late April of Williams' "senior" year unc-ch* admissions had already gotten back his transcript and said it was a no go.

And the unc-ch recruiting staff, that included roy williams (who recruited him until spring of '88), had already told this young man who they had kept a close eye on that he could not attend unc-ch because of substandard grades.

Oh wait, they didn't.

None of what carolina's administration did made any sense from an academic or recruiting angle. If the athletic dept had known he was short of requirements they'd have pulled the offer and searched for another high profile player months earlier, like Billy Owens or Alonzo Mourning, but they didn't.

unc-ch admissions should have received Williams' transcripts months before April, but they didn't. Or they did and let it pass.

Regardless, the USAToday story is what kept KW out of unc-ch*. It took carolina two days to reply officially, that the young man would never have been allowed in school and they wished him the best.

The only problem I ever had was with the reporter. He was so anxious to get a headline he couldn't wait 3 months for Williams to enroll, and then slam them.

To be fair, someone else could have uncovered the dirt those 3 months and done what he did.

I have NO clue as to who Kenny Williams even is, but I do know that UNC has allowed players improve their academic standing both before and during college just by taking online courses, so ncdoc is very wrong in purporting that UNC would have never admitted a kid that does not meet academic requirements.

Obviously online courses did not exist back then, but so did a bunch of tools to prevent or catch cheating.

I never said they never admitted a kid that didn't qualify. there have been examples of that but, I can't say as I ever recall them admitting a student that hadn't graduated from college.

Cause they give out free diplomas!

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

No I didn't miss it - it's just that UNC had everything under cover for all those years. They had the perfect scam/cover going.

Kenny Williams. That should have been enough to start raising eyebrows all by itself.

Remind me again when did Kenny Williams enroll at UNC. I must have missed that.

The fact that you even know who he is tells me you know exactly what l'm talking about.

He was a freaking top 5 nationally HS player from the state of NC. Why wouldn't I know who he is? Do you know who Jason Parker is? Both top 5 nationally ranked players from North Carolina and neither were admitted to UNC.

You are just so adept at sidestepping issues. No, Williams didn't enroll, but I think you know very well that if not for a USAToday reporter breaking the story he would have. Like I said, it should have raised eyebrows back then, but somehow didn't.

I worked on that story, so don't try to tell me something I don't already know backwards and forwards.

Can you recount the Kenny Williams saga for those of us who are unaware?

signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

in retrospect, he's probably like of unc-ch's players

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

no big issue to me.   the only rub was "the carolina way "doctrine that unc-ch only recruited student athletes

Planet Boulder wrote:

codewolfhowl wrote: signed with unc-ch out of highschool.  from elizabeth city ,i think.  heels and smith were loud and proud of the commitment

kid did not have the grades to graduate from highschool

Thanks, I don;t see the issue, here. He never enrolled at UNC and there is no way he would have been able to do so without graduating from high school. In fact, he wouldn't have been able to enroll anywhere.

What was the controversy?

EXACTLY!!!!  Only issue was UNC took a LOI from a kid with no chance of graduating.