If they don't come back to UNC with LOIC it will confirm that somebody at Carolina as dirty pictures of the NCAA leadership at an orgy.

The real question is "Who's not next...and why".

barneywolf wrote: Louisville spokesman says the university and Clint Hurtt have received a Notice of Allegations from the NCAA. Declined to say what it says.

This on Twitter from Forde.  Whos next?

Wow, GT, UNC, Miami & now the Cards - welcome to the new ACC, the SEC 2.0.

BlackRazor wrote:

barneywolf wrote: Louisville spokesman says the university and Clint Hurtt have received a Notice of Allegations from the NCAA. Declined to say what it says.

This on Twitter from Forde.  Whos next?

Wow, GT, Miami & now the Cards - welcome to the new ACC, the SEC 2.0.

FTFY

barneywolf wrote: Louisville spokesman says the university and Clint Hurtt have received a Notice of Allegations from the NCAA. Declined to say what it says.

This on Twitter from Forde.  Whos next?

details on why
http://www.courier-journal.com...tions-from-NCAA

Seriously? Is Swofford that seriously stupid?

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ACC sanctions to follow

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OK.  Makes sense.

And they should have.

The problem is that what UNC has been doing for the better part of three decades (or more) is 100x worse and somehow they have skated, thus far.

If I'm Miami I'm emailing DDK for a rap sheet as we speak. There is no way LOIC sticks to Miami if UNC was able to avoid it.

The difference between Miami and UNC-CHeat in this case is that Miami demonstrated Lack of Institutional Control while the cheaters had FULL CONTROL of their institution.

...Note to everyone else, if you are going to cheat, get everyone on board like UNC-CHeat, and don't "look the other way" like Miami.

translated - The NCAA is a joke.

Miami and the rest of the freaking free world can piss and moan until they are blue in the face and it WILL NOT matter. The NCAA is indeed a joke.

Forget the tutors, parking tickets, class fraud, it really all comes down to this simple point.

Miami had an out of control booster, UNC had an out of control assistant coach.

Seems pretty clear to me which situation is worse.

Miami is stupid. As soon as they found out that they were going to be investigated they should have hired a respected public official who is past his prime to investigate all of these "illegal benefits". All he had to do was sniff around campus for a few months and avoid any of the 70 people that were purported to have taken benefits from Shapiro. Then he could issue a report saying that he found no evidence of anyone getting any illegal benefits from Nevin Shapiro. Then whenever anyone from Miami is asked a question by a media member of the NCAA, all they have to do is say "please refer to our exhaustive report".

Watch and learn Miami. THAT is how it's done.

Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

The rampant, unevenly punished cheating going on in college sports is really getting old... and boring.

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

yeah Miami's been caught before - UNC's more like a master criminal, never caught before but the evidence points to the fact that doesn't mean they've exactly been clean all those years.

Sort of like an old mob boss that's finally put in prison in his old age, it doesn't mean he hit 60 & then decided to start living a life of crime.

matt1990 wrote: The rampant, unevenly punished cheating going on in college sports is really getting old... and boring.

Disagree. I think the NCAA's ongoing corruption is exciting! EXCITING!

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

Even Jim Rome is mocking the NCAA - does that organization keep doing the opposite of what they should that makes them look even worse?

Let UNC slide

Go overboard & hammer Penn State too hard

Now they hit Miami with LOIC after admitting they broke rules & made errors there too

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

ncdoc wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

No I didn't miss it - it's just that UNC had everything under cover for all those years. They had the perfect scam/cover going.

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

No I didn't miss it - it's just that UNC had everything under cover for all those years. They had the perfect scam/cover going.

If things as are you believe and they did such a good job of hiding things then as I said the NCAA wasn't given any reason to visit Chapel Hill.

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

No I didn't miss it - it's just that UNC had everything under cover for all those years. They had the perfect scam/cover going.

It doesn't have anything to do with Miami's checkered past or unc-CHeats behavior over 3 decades. IMO it really comes down to which school has a Chancellor vacancy that is coveted by a certain high ranking NCAA official and which doesn't. Never underestimate the Machiavellian machinations of corrupt individuals.

barelypure wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

No I didn't miss it - it's just that UNC had everything under cover for all those years. They had the perfect scam/cover going.

It doesn't have anything to do with Miami's checkered past or unc-CHeats behavior over 3 decades. IMO it really comes down to which school has a Chancellor vacancy that is coveted by a certain high ranking NCAA official and which doesn't. Never underestimate the Machiavellian machinations of corrupt individuals.

If you think UNC has any intention of hiring Mark Emmert then I'd have to question your decision making skills. Of course, you'd probably question mine since I went to UNC instead of NCSU.

ncdoc wrote:

If things as are you believe and they did such a good job of hiding things then as I said the NCAA wasn't given any reason to visit Chapel Hill.

Right, we're in agreement - UNC did a masterful job of hiding what they were doing. It wasn't Butch coming to Chapel Hill that introduced the concept (as some try to push), he just wanted his FB players to get in on the action.

AP: 3 Miami Coaches Misled Probe
bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-sou...es-misled-probe

CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) — The NCAA believes former Miami assistant coaches Clint Hurtt, Aubrey Hill and Jorge Fernandez provided false or misleading information during the probe into the Hurricanes' athletic department.

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The NCAA "believes"?

And John Blake was nothing but helpful... oh wait!

BlackRazor wrote: CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) — The NCAA believes former Miami assistant coaches Clint Hurtt, Aubrey Hill and Jorge Fernandez provided false or misleading information during the probe into the Hurricanes' athletic department.

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The NCAA "believes"?

And John Blake was nothing but helpful... oh wait!

The NCAA isn't a court, so if they 'believe' something, then you are toast. They don't have to prove anything.

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

So you're saying the NCAA studies tendencies to avoid having to evaluate actual events in the heat of the moment. Hmmm... sounds vaguely familiar.

flair1 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote: CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) — The NCAA believes former Miami assistant coaches Clint Hurtt, Aubrey Hill and Jorge Fernandez provided false or misleading information during the probe into the Hurricanes' athletic department.

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The NCAA "believes"?

And John Blake was nothing but helpful... oh wait!

The NCAA isn't a court, so if they 'believe' something, then you are toast. They don't have to prove anything.

right, so again how did UNC skate on LOIC?

We still need more than that for Miami to rise to LOIC.

BlackRazor wrote:

flair1 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote: CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) — The NCAA believes former Miami assistant coaches Clint Hurtt, Aubrey Hill and Jorge Fernandez provided false or misleading information during the probe into the Hurricanes' athletic department.

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The NCAA "believes"?

And John Blake was nothing but helpful... oh wait!

The NCAA isn't a court, so if they 'believe' something, then you are toast. They don't have to prove anything.

right, so again how did UNC skate on LOIC?

We still need more than that for Miami to rise to LOIC.

That is simple.   Prior to the probe (not investigation) into academics, no other sports were involved at UNC during the initial NCAA visit.   Based on what is already known and is fact in Miami, not "believed", there were coaches and players across at least 3 sports taking/giving extra benefits.

Now with that said, if the NCAA comes back to the Hill and doesn't at a minimum establish a LOIC related to academics, then one could argue UNC skated on the charge.

duckmanjw wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

flair1 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote: CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) — The NCAA believes former Miami assistant coaches Clint Hurtt, Aubrey Hill and Jorge Fernandez provided false or misleading information during the probe into the Hurricanes' athletic department.

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The NCAA "believes"?

And John Blake was nothing but helpful... oh wait!

The NCAA isn't a court, so if they 'believe' something, then you are toast. They don't have to prove anything.

right, so again how did UNC skate on LOIC?

We still need more than that for Miami to rise to LOIC.

That is simple.   Prior to the probe (not investigation) into academics, no other sports were involved at UNC during the initial NCAA visit.   Based on what is already known and is fact in Miami, not "believed", there were coaches and players across at least 3 sports taking/giving extra benefits.

Now with that said, if the NCAA comes back to the Hill and doesn't at a minimum establish a LOIC related to academics, then one could argue UNC skated on the charge.

I'm starting to hope Ed O'Bannon's lawsuit bleeds the NCAA dry, if college sports have come to this, maybe it's best for all if it just dies.

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

No I didn't miss it - it's just that UNC had everything under cover for all those years. They had the perfect scam/cover going.

Kenny Williams. That should have been enough to start raising eyebrows all by itself.

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

What if there were no such things as hypothetical questions?

Jay Bilas is ripping Mark Emmert a new one now on 99.9 with AG & Joe.

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

BleedWolfpackRed wrote: I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but the NCAA is not going to be coming back to UNC.  The NCAA does not like to admit when they are wrong or in this case inept.  Given the way the Miami investigation went down and the criticism they are receiving a revisit is not likely and would draw more attention to the inability of Emmert to lead and the NCAA to oversee college athletics.  The NCAA wanted to go after Miami and did so by any means necessary.  They did not however want to go after UNC at least not with the intent to punish for wrong doings.  Hence the reason they allowed the cheats to investigate their own academic fraud and report any findings.

and I hope that comes back to bite them & Miami comes after them.

I've never heard so many national sports people slam the NCAA like I have today. Miami almost seems like the good/innocent guys & with their history, that's really saying something!

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

ncdoc wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

ncdoc wrote: Not trying to defend or validate how the NCAA works but, Miami is a multiple time repeat offender. That had to play in to the way the NCAA responded.

I'm going to pose a hypothetical question. What if there was another equal opportunity offender that for some reason the NCAA took no interest investigating. How might that factor into the way it would be played?

I have no idea. Really not trying to make this a thread about UNC but, that seems to be the only intent of others. The fact that Miami has been placed on probation multiple times has to go in to the allegations by the NCAA.

Until recently, the NCAA hasn't been given a reason to visit Chapel Hill. They laid out sanctions (I know they weren't tough enough) and seem to have completed their investigation. If they have to come back in 3 years for a completely seperate infraction then I'd expect UNC to be treated as a repeat offender.

lol

Apparently you missed the two words in front of the part you bolded.

No I didn't miss it - it's just that UNC had everything under cover for all those years. They had the perfect scam/cover going.

Kenny Williams. That should have been enough to start raising eyebrows all by itself.

Remind me again when did Kenny Williams enroll at UNC. I must have missed that.