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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:16 AM

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MisterRee wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
MisterRee wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
MisterRee wrote:
hunwolf wrote: So...wait...there are people who actually think we are recruiting over Purvis?

I just. Nevermind.
Its the Bryanth effect. Some people seem to actually listen to him.
He keeps harping about how Purvis sucks, the kid goes through a slump and he crows about it.
Not once have I ever said Purvis sucks and admitted I've been a bit harder on Purvis than most players.  The kid has talent but he also has obvious flaws in his game.  You and others openly made this kid out to be the second coming of DT and Dwyane Wade and when I totally disagreed at those comparisons you and other gave me a lot of flack. 

Now, since he's not performing that way, you and others want to say he's in a slump.  Being in a slump is what TJ Warren was in. TJ was missing shots he normally would make.  In Rodney's case, he's been having problems finishing all season long so how is that a slump.   It only appears he's in a slump because the tempo has slowed down, the competition and stakes are higher, his confidence has waned, and he hasn't played with as much passion as before. 

As far as last night's game, he still missed a lot of layups, but I thought he played a decent game.  He made some nice hustle plays and those are just as important as scoring on this Pack team.

Now run along and continue your job of evaluating everyone's post-game comments and challenging their fanhood.
Oh really? 
But so I can once again prove you know nothing.
Over the first 19 games he averaged 9.95 ppg.
Over the past 7 he has averaged 5.2
HMM so while he was not a world beater he was certainly playing good ball. Now he is not playing so well. I would say scoring 50% of what you were scoring is a slump. So please go ahead and run the kid into the ground some more. It apparently makes you feel like a big man.  

BTW 
Since you are making accusations please show where I ever
1) Said he would be DT or
2) Questioned anyone's "fanhood".
You are simply lying. It is what you do. You run your mouth and then when someone calls you on your ignorance you tell lies about them.
You show me where I said Rodney sucks and I'll show you where you said he would be the next DT.  Better yet, I'm through with it.  I'm not going to get drawn in some senseless debate with you about Rodney.  So as I advised you earlier, run along and go evaluate comments.
In other words, I was proven wrong and am going to take my ball and go home, as usual.
You are simply wrong about Purvis being a in a slump. But wrong is something you are very consistent about.

BTW his last 4 games he is averaging 2.75 points per game but no that is not a slump. Nah.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:19 AM

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FranklinWolf wrote: Very proud of the guys last night, the thing that really stood out was their body language, everyone seemed to be having a good time.

FWIW,
The Freshman that FSU brought in from Africa is a BEAST, you don't see many guys that are 7'1 built like him.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:22 AM

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Bryanth1a wrote:
FranklinWolf wrote: Very proud of the guys last night, the thing that really stood out was their body language, everyone seemed to be having a good time.

FWIW,
The Freshman that FSU brought in from Africa is a BEAST, you don't see many guys that are 7'1 built like him.

He reminded me of Uncle George from the Little Rascals

If my translation was correct, he kept saying  "yum yum eat'em up"

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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:27 AM

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Sometimes he hedges the ball screen very well. He was not as aggressive last night. We could steal a couple of mins each half with him in the game by playing zone.

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redterrors04 wrote: Vandenburg should never ever leave the paint on defense, that is all
I don't know why they don't tell him to just stand in the middle and never drop his arms below his shoulders.  

He's a stiff in the mold of Serge Swikker (I am not knocking Vandenburg, it is what it is and there's no reason to sugarcoat it), but one thing Dean did with him and his Lurches was to make sure they always had their hands up.  Vandy is too slow to hedge and got burned several times, and he always keeps his arms dangling.  He'd be more of a force if he just stood around the basket with his hands up.  That'll be much more of a distraction then what he's doing now.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:30 AM

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What happened to the Vandy that gave Zeller and Henson 5 minutes of Hell in Raleigh his Soph year, the Vandy that could run the floor and finish with a flush.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:31 AM

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Loucouldcoach wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
FranklinWolf wrote: Very proud of the guys last night, the thing that really stood out was their body language, everyone seemed to be having a good time.

FWIW,
The Freshman that FSU brought in from Africa is a BEAST, you don't see many guys that are 7'1 built like him.

He reminded me of Uncle George from the Little Rascals

If my translation was correct, he kept saying  "yum yum eat'em up"
Dude had a HUGE head, which is saying something on that massive of a body.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:32 AM

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Wow, Warren just went off against the Noles!!! 31 points!! Great win Pack!

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the 31 points was good ..but the best thing is that you can tell he has been working on his FT shooting! That is huge! I mean if you are gonna play down the stretch and especially around the basket, you have got to make your FTs because you are gonna get sent to the line. Way to go TJ!!!
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I was happier about his FT shooting than anything else last night. Hopefully he is starting to find his shooting stroke from 3 point range also!

Great game all around by everyone. I thought the defense was MUCH better last night than just about any game we have seen this year. FSU helped us with missing some fairly easy looks, but we have had so many nights this year where we miss a ton of point blanks looks that I'm just going to say we were due.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:32 AM

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Bryanth1a wrote:
 
Not once have I ever said Purvis sucks and admitted I've been a bit harder on Purvis than most players.  The kid has talent but he also has obvious flaws in his game.  You and others openly made this kid out to be the second coming of DT and Dwyane Wade and when I totally disagreed at those comparisons you and other gave me a lot of flack. 

Now, since he's not performing that way, you and others want to say he's in a slump.  Being in a slump is what TJ Warren was in. TJ was missing shots he normally would make.  In Rodney's case, he's been having problems finishing all season long so how is that a slump.   It only appears he's in a slump because the tempo has slowed down, the competition and stakes are higher, his confidence has waned, and he hasn't played with as much passion as before. 

As far as last night's game, he still missed a lot of layups, but I thought he played a decent game.  He made some nice hustle plays and those are just as important as scoring on this Pack team.

Now run along and continue your job of evaluating everyone's post-game comments and challenging their fanhood.

Rodney has flaws in his game?!  What?!  You mean, a freshman guard has flaws?  Interesting.

Guess who else has flaws?  Everyone.

If Warren didn't have flaws in his game, he wouldn't disappear for multiple games at a time.
If Lewis didn't have flaws in his game, he'd be more than a 10-minute or less guy when Brown is healthy.

I don't personally recall anyone stating that Purvis would be DT or Wade.  There may have been people who compared his STYLE with Wade...but I doubt anyone really thought he'd be DW as a freshman.

And guess what, most people (coach included) probably think that all 3 freshman will be really important players for us this year and in the future, and they will.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:35 AM

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WOLFDAC wrote: What happened to the Vandy that gave Zeller and Henson 5 minutes of Hell in Raleigh his Soph year, the Vandy that could run the floor and finish with a flush.
His defense does seem to have gotten worse. It sounds strange to say, but I think he may be "over thinking" defense at this point. IMO his freshmen and sophmore years he was so overwhelmed by the speed of the game that all he could was think "there's my man stay with him, there's my man stay with him, there's my man stay with him" so that was all he did. And he was actually pretty effective at it. Now however I think he looks for too many opportunities to help on defense and that causes him to get out of position a lot on his man and leads to easy buckets or him having to foul.

Also, someone tell him to stop moving when he sets screens!
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:38 AM

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I loved that when he came in he hustled. He wants to win. He'll adapt and will start finishing drives. His FT shooting will improve. The great thing is no one has to get him up for games and he keeps playing hard.

grantwolf wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
 
Not once have I ever said Purvis sucks and admitted I've been a bit harder on Purvis than most players.  The kid has talent but he also has obvious flaws in his game.  You and others openly made this kid out to be the second coming of DT and Dwyane Wade and when I totally disagreed at those comparisons you and other gave me a lot of flack. 

Now, since he's not performing that way, you and others want to say he's in a slump.  Being in a slump is what TJ Warren was in. TJ was missing shots he normally would make.  In Rodney's case, he's been having problems finishing all season long so how is that a slump.   It only appears he's in a slump because the tempo has slowed down, the competition and stakes are higher, his confidence has waned, and he hasn't played with as much passion as before. 

As far as last night's game, he still missed a lot of layups, but I thought he played a decent game.  He made some nice hustle plays and those are just as important as scoring on this Pack team.

Now run along and continue your job of evaluating everyone's post-game comments and challenging their fanhood.

Rodney has flaws in his game?!  What?!  You mean, a freshman guard has flaws?  Interesting.

Guess who else has flaws?  Everyone.

If Warren didn't have flaws in his game, he wouldn't disappear for multiple games at a time.
If Lewis didn't have flaws in his game, he'd be more than a 10-minute or less guy when Brown is healthy.

I don't personally recall anyone stating that Purvis would be DT or Wade.  There may have been people who compared his STYLE with Wade...but I doubt anyone really thought he'd be DW as a freshman.

And guess what, most people (coach included) probably think that all 3 freshman will be really important players for us this year and in the future, and they will.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:38 AM

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Great win overall (obviously).  Good job guys.

One thing we really need to work on still IMO - man-on-man defense.  We still got beat too many times on the dribble.  When that happens it becomes 2-on-1 or 3-on-2 on the inside, and FSU played it well last night, with several easy assists with layups/jams coming when our guy got beat.

Nice to see CJ hitting free throws well.  In general we did well at the charity stripe, which helped keep the game out of reach.  Aside from a couple of feet-shuffles, CJ played a great game, including a lot more hustle.

Brown - what can you say.  He had a great PG game, with 9 assists.  He's going to be star in the NBA IMO.

TJ well - enough's been said about the monster game he had.  I only hope we can keep him for 2-3 more years!

Wood really is Mr. Hustle.  Aside from possibly Howell I see him as our hardest worker out there, both on O and D.  Yeah he can get beat on the dribble some, but he usually sticks with it and as a result has gotten a lot of shot blocks from behind.

Solid minutes from Purvis and Lewis as well.  (LOL at Lewis's last layup attempt against the bigs - nice try though). 

Vandy - ugh.  The guy just doesn't have good defensive smarts yet.  I know Gott likes our bigs to defend tough up high, but sorry JV just can't do that.  He needs to stay down in the paint, period.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:40 AM

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WOLFDAC wrote: What happened to the Vandy that gave Zeller and Henson 5 minutes of Hell in Raleigh his Soph year, the Vandy that could run the floor and finish with a flush.
I remember that.  Also, what happened to the agile Vandy that would get the occasional alley-oop dunk off the pass from Zo.  I bet if he tried to repeat that ball-between-the-legs dunk (from his FR year) now, he'd kill himself. 

From my POV, he's gained weight and it's not the good weight either, so that's sure to negatively impact his play and movement on the court.

Still, as awkward as he looks out there, I think he can still provide brief relief to Howell.  But it's a shame he hasn't progressed more in four years.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:42 AM

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yea, the big dude from FSU we labeled DK.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:50 AM

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It was great to see a complete effort, from start to finish -- the first such effort since the Duke win.

When Warren plays and scores that well, this team is hard to beat.

The defense, and particularly the effort on D, was really good. The defensive intensity at the start of the game was the best in a while, and they didn't get down when they forced FSU into some tough early shots only to see them go in.

The only cringe-worthy moments were Leslie leading the break and getting it poked away from behind and Vandenburg hedging on a screen 40 feet from the basket.

Warren and Wood both hit some big shots when FSU tried to sneak back into it.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:59 AM

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Waitingwolf wrote: I loved that when he came in he hustled. He wants to win. He'll adapt and will start finishing drives. His FT shooting will improve. The great thing is no one has to get him up for games and he keeps playing hard.

grantwolf wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
 
Not once have I ever said Purvis sucks and admitted I've been a bit harder on Purvis than most players.  The kid has talent but he also has obvious flaws in his game.  You and others openly made this kid out to be the second coming of DT and Dwyane Wade and when I totally disagreed at those comparisons you and other gave me a lot of flack. 

Now, since he's not performing that way, you and others want to say he's in a slump.  Being in a slump is what TJ Warren was in. TJ was missing shots he normally would make.  In Rodney's case, he's been having problems finishing all season long so how is that a slump.   It only appears he's in a slump because the tempo has slowed down, the competition and stakes are higher, his confidence has waned, and he hasn't played with as much passion as before. 

As far as last night's game, he still missed a lot of layups, but I thought he played a decent game.  He made some nice hustle plays and those are just as important as scoring on this Pack team.

Now run along and continue your job of evaluating everyone's post-game comments and challenging their fanhood.

Rodney has flaws in his game?!  What?!  You mean, a freshman guard has flaws?  Interesting.

Guess who else has flaws?  Everyone.

If Warren didn't have flaws in his game, he wouldn't disappear for multiple games at a time.
If Lewis didn't have flaws in his game, he'd be more than a 10-minute or less guy when Brown is healthy.

I don't personally recall anyone stating that Purvis would be DT or Wade.  There may have been people who compared his STYLE with Wade...but I doubt anyone really thought he'd be DW as a freshman.

And guess what, most people (coach included) probably think that all 3 freshman will be really important players for us this year and in the future, and they will.
He is the future leader of this team. He is going to be great. 
I love the fact he did not sulk or get upset. He came in and played hard. Many kids today would not do that.



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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:08 AM

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He is much more vocal and shows his emotions more than Tyler and TJ. As sophs it will be their team next year. I look forward to his development and he will have some plays this year that help us win games.

MisterRee wrote:
Waitingwolf wrote: I loved that when he came in he hustled. He wants to win. He'll adapt and will start finishing drives. His FT shooting will improve. The great thing is no one has to get him up for games and he keeps playing hard.

grantwolf wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
 
Not once have I ever said Purvis sucks and admitted I've been a bit harder on Purvis than most players.  The kid has talent but he also has obvious flaws in his game.  You and others openly made this kid out to be the second coming of DT and Dwyane Wade and when I totally disagreed at those comparisons you and other gave me a lot of flack. 

Now, since he's not performing that way, you and others want to say he's in a slump.  Being in a slump is what TJ Warren was in. TJ was missing shots he normally would make.  In Rodney's case, he's been having problems finishing all season long so how is that a slump.   It only appears he's in a slump because the tempo has slowed down, the competition and stakes are higher, his confidence has waned, and he hasn't played with as much passion as before. 

As far as last night's game, he still missed a lot of layups, but I thought he played a decent game.  He made some nice hustle plays and those are just as important as scoring on this Pack team.

Now run along and continue your job of evaluating everyone's post-game comments and challenging their fanhood.

Rodney has flaws in his game?!  What?!  You mean, a freshman guard has flaws?  Interesting.

Guess who else has flaws?  Everyone.

If Warren didn't have flaws in his game, he wouldn't disappear for multiple games at a time.
If Lewis didn't have flaws in his game, he'd be more than a 10-minute or less guy when Brown is healthy.

I don't personally recall anyone stating that Purvis would be DT or Wade.  There may have been people who compared his STYLE with Wade...but I doubt anyone really thought he'd be DW as a freshman.

And guess what, most people (coach included) probably think that all 3 freshman will be really important players for us this year and in the future, and they will.
He is the future leader of this team. He is going to be great. 
I love the fact he did not sulk or get upset. He came in and played hard. Many kids today would not do that.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:32 AM

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Exactly - which is why you should never bet when the Pack is involved.  That's my hindsight.  Those who state confidently either way crack me up (like the ones posting yesterday prior to the game).

I did bet on our game vs UNC in the ACC finals back in 2007, I believe it was.  We lost, but UNC didn't cover, so I won $100.  I was lucky.
 


aevanee wrote:
SiriusPack wrote: I wonder if the morons stating that FSU would cover actually bet on that? I suspect they did.

lolololol
you couldn't actually think based on our past acc performances we would blow someone away?  ride that hindsight all you want, the line was tough to bet on.



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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:56 AM

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Some people are silly.Yes Vandy isn't the answer but throwing up inexperience Robinson in there down the stretch would be silly. Gott sees him in practice and understands his grasp on the offense. If it isn't tip top shape then he isn't going to play. Vandy atleast understands the offense to a degree he just isn't anything special. Also for the few that suggested Vandy is better off staying in the lane on defense great coaching. Now when an opponents big sets a screen the guard will have no one there to challenge a jumper or stop a drive. Use common sense folks.As for Purvis he'll be fine. Like some have mentioned even in his struggles he finds ways to contribute in other ways that don't show up in the box score. He'll be key to a tourney run just like all of our 7 horses. We're going to need all of them in some shape or form. Can't forget the kid is still a freshman. He's going to make mistakes. It's clear that the competition has been raised from HS to college he's having trouble finish around the rim. That's something he's going to have to learn to adjust to and I think he will. I do like how Gott has decided to bring him off the bench because the way he does attack can serve as a spark plug and he's also a fresh body capable of playing above average defense. Gott recently seems to be pulling more of the right strings when you probably couldn't say that 2 or 3 weeks ago.On to the Holes. Not our rival wants this game bad. Key will be getting off to a quick start or at least playing them even for the first 4 to 6 minutes because I expect them to come our fast. They still got to add some kind of resume building win for their tourney chances and this is a good opportunity for them. We have a ton to play for too: sweep over UNC, knocking their tourney chances down a peg and most importantly positioning ourselves for an ACC tourney bye. Should be a barn burner.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:02 PM

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WOLFDAC wrote: What happened to the Vandy that gave Zeller and Henson 5 minutes of Hell in Raleigh his Soph year, the Vandy that could run the floor and finish with a flush.
Yes.  It was that game that gave me hope that Vandy would develop into that type of solid player.   That game against Zeller and Henson was great.  He tossed them around and manned them up in ways that gave me hope.   Coach Gott should show him that tape and tell him to play like that every time he goes in.  All we need from him.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:07 PM

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SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Some people are silly.Yes Vandy isn't the answer but throwing up inexperience Robinson in there down the stretch would be silly. Gott sees him in practice and understands his grasp on the offense. If it isn't tip top shape then he isn't going to play. Vandy atleast understands the offense to a degree he just isn't anything special. Also for the few that suggested Vandy is better off staying in the lane on defense great coaching. Now when an opponents big sets a screen the guard will have no one there to challenge a jumper or stop a drive. Use common sense folks.As for Purvis he'll be fine. Like some have mentioned even in his struggles he finds ways to contribute in other ways that don't show up in the box score. He'll be key to a tourney run just like all of our 7 horses. We're going to need all of them in some shape or form. Can't forget the kid is still a freshman. He's going to make mistakes. It's clear that the competition has been raised from HS to college he's having trouble finish around the rim. That's something he's going to have to learn to adjust to and I think he will. I do like how Gott has decided to bring him off the bench because the way he does attack can serve as a spark plug and he's also a fresh body capable of playing above average defense. Gott recently seems to be pulling more of the right strings when you probably couldn't say that 2 or 3 weeks ago.On to the Holes. Not our rival wants this game bad. Key will be getting off to a quick start or at least playing them even for the first 4 to 6 minutes because I expect them to come our fast. They still got to add some kind of resume building win for their tourney chances and this is a good opportunity for them. We have a ton to play for too: sweep over UNC, knocking their tourney chances down a peg and most importantly positioning ourselves for an ACC tourney bye. Should be a barn burner.
Totally agree.  We can't allow UNC to bombard us at the start of the game, even though I don't think their intensity level will be anywhere close to what Duke's was.  I expect Purvis to start and guard Hairston. 

One concern I have about the game is Richard Howell and fouls.  He got away with a lot of reaching last night and had success at it.  Normally when that happens, Richard continues to reach.  Well, I seriously doubt he's going to get away with it on Saturday, thus he could be looking at some cheap fouls.  The Pack can't win if Richard is not on the court. 

The Pack is on a light roll and I feel much better about this game than the one at CIS. 

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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:17 PM

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SSBoy -  not to argue but I insistence on this issue is based on how well TL did once thrown to the wolvesbiggrin - understanding that Robinson is not a burger boy but has shown more potential than Vandy at least this year?
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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:22 PM

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wolfercoyote wrote: SSBoy -  not to argue but I insistence on this issue is based on how well TL did once thrown to the wolvesbiggrin - understanding that Robinson is not a burger boy but has shown more potential than Vandy at least this year?
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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:23 PM

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Sorry if this was asked and answered already, but what is the bandage on CJL's shoulder? I know he has work it a lot since coming to State, not just this year...thanks.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:26 PM

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Bryanth1a wrote:
WOLFDAC wrote: What happened to the Vandy that gave Zeller and Henson 5 minutes of Hell in Raleigh his Soph year, the Vandy that could run the floor and finish with a flush.
I remember that.  Also, what happened to the agile Vandy that would get the occasional alley-oop dunk off the pass from Zo.  I bet if he tried to repeat that ball-between-the-legs dunk (from his FR year) now, he'd kill himself. 

From my POV, he's gained weight and it's not the good weight either, so that's sure to negatively impact his play and movement on the court.

Still, as awkward as he looks out there, I think he can still provide brief relief to Howell.  But it's a shame he hasn't progressed more in four years.
He doesn't seem to be nearly as athletic now as he was when he was a freshman.  A lot of people seem to think they need to get bigger to compete, but that isn't always true.  He is listed at 264 lbs, but I bet if he could get down to about 245-250 he will contrbute next year.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:38 PM

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We are so much better when we are active on defense and forcing turnovers.  It's like night and day.  Our job on the boards and forcing turnovers are absolutely responsible for this game not even being close.  We also made an effort to go inside early which put FSU in foul trouble.  

This was the blueprint for how the Pack should play and win games.  Thumbs up.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:59 PM

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lets play Robinson and Vandy together, yeah thats the deal right there, 12 fouls!
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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:17 PM

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Robinson has only played in mop up duty. He hasn't shown any kind of potential in a high tense situation or where the game is close. People putting too much stock into meaningless late minute flashes.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:19 PM

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Bryanth1a wrote:
SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Some people are silly.Yes Vandy isn't the answer but throwing up inexperience Robinson in there down the stretch would be silly. Gott sees him in practice and understands his grasp on the offense. If it isn't tip top shape then he isn't going to play. Vandy atleast understands the offense to a degree he just isn't anything special. Also for the few that suggested Vandy is better off staying in the lane on defense great coaching. Now when an opponents big sets a screen the guard will have no one there to challenge a jumper or stop a drive. Use common sense folks.As for Purvis he'll be fine. Like some have mentioned even in his struggles he finds ways to contribute in other ways that don't show up in the box score. He'll be key to a tourney run just like all of our 7 horses. We're going to need all of them in some shape or form. Can't forget the kid is still a freshman. He's going to make mistakes. It's clear that the competition has been raised from HS to college he's having trouble finish around the rim. That's something he's going to have to learn to adjust to and I think he will. I do like how Gott has decided to bring him off the bench because the way he does attack can serve as a spark plug and he's also a fresh body capable of playing above average defense. Gott recently seems to be pulling more of the right strings when you probably couldn't say that 2 or 3 weeks ago.On to the Holes. Not our rival wants this game bad. Key will be getting off to a quick start or at least playing them even for the first 4 to 6 minutes because I expect them to come our fast. They still got to add some kind of resume building win for their tourney chances and this is a good opportunity for them. We have a ton to play for too: sweep over UNC, knocking their tourney chances down a peg and most importantly positioning ourselves for an ACC tourney bye. Should be a barn burner.
Totally agree.  We can't allow UNC to bombard us at the start of the game, even though I don't think their intensity level will be anywhere close to what Duke's was.  I expect Purvis to start and guard Hairston. 

One concern I have about the game is Richard Howell and fouls.  He got away with a lot of reaching last night and had success at it.  Normally when that happens, Richard continues to reach.  Well, I seriously doubt he's going to get away with it on Saturday, thus he could be looking at some cheap fouls.  The Pack can't win if Richard is not on the court. 

The Pack is on a light roll and I feel much better about this game than the one at CIS. 

NOTE:  What happened to your ENTER key?
I agree, we are going to need a solid game from Purvis; the UNC game is going to have some interesting match-ups and coach maneuvering.  We started bigger last night, UNC has been playing their smaller line-up.  Which style will win out?  

It is going to be a challenging night for TJW IMO.  He is going to be guarding someone quicker than him, and he will have a quicker person in his face all night, not going to have the space like he had last night.  I look forward to watching him rise to the challenge.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:19 PM

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wlfpck4life wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
wlfpck4life wrote: Awesome all around performance last night!  Have been waiting for a while for that!  Warren and Leslie dominated and the other players that got major minutes had very solid complimentary games.

Since its the Post-Game thread, I am going to find something to complain about.  First, until Purvis learns to make layups he does not need to see the court much if at all.  Don't know what is going on with him but he has missed probably close to 40 layups in transition this season.  Secondly, Vandy ohlord.

Great win, excited for the game Saturday!
Yes, this is true but last night, I thought Purvis made some nice hustle plays last night.  In the previous games, he just didn't seem as engaged.

I really like Purvis, and I don't feel like it is ever effort with him.  But the dude has to stop missing layups.  Period.
He's worried about the contact.  He'll get over it.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:21 PM

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SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Robinson has only played in mop up duty. He hasn't shown any kind of potential in a high tense situation or where the game is close. People putting too much stock into meaningless late minute flashes.

Its the Brian Keeter effect.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:22 PM

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Bryanth1a wrote:
SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Some people are silly.Yes Vandy isn't the answer but throwing up inexperience Robinson in there down the stretch would be silly. Gott sees him in practice and understands his grasp on the offense. If it isn't tip top shape then he isn't going to play. Vandy atleast understands the offense to a degree he just isn't anything special. Also for the few that suggested Vandy is better off staying in the lane on defense great coaching. Now when an opponents big sets a screen the guard will have no one there to challenge a jumper or stop a drive. Use common sense folks.As for Purvis he'll be fine. Like some have mentioned even in his struggles he finds ways to contribute in other ways that don't show up in the box score. He'll be key to a tourney run just like all of our 7 horses. We're going to need all of them in some shape or form. Can't forget the kid is still a freshman. He's going to make mistakes. It's clear that the competition has been raised from HS to college he's having trouble finish around the rim. That's something he's going to have to learn to adjust to and I think he will. I do like how Gott has decided to bring him off the bench because the way he does attack can serve as a spark plug and he's also a fresh body capable of playing above average defense. Gott recently seems to be pulling more of the right strings when you probably couldn't say that 2 or 3 weeks ago.On to the Holes. Not our rival wants this game bad. Key will be getting off to a quick start or at least playing them even for the first 4 to 6 minutes because I expect them to come our fast. They still got to add some kind of resume building win for their tourney chances and this is a good opportunity for them. We have a ton to play for too: sweep over UNC, knocking their tourney chances down a peg and most importantly positioning ourselves for an ACC tourney bye. Should be a barn burner.
Totally agree.  We can't allow UNC to bombard us at the start of the game, even though I don't think their intensity level will be anywhere close to what Duke's was.  I expect Purvis to start and guard Hairston. 

One concern I have about the game is Richard Howell and fouls.  He got away with a lot of reaching last night and had success at it.  Normally when that happens, Richard continues to reach.  Well, I seriously doubt he's going to get away with it on Saturday, thus he could be looking at some cheap fouls.  The Pack can't win if Richard is not on the court. 

The Pack is on a light roll and I feel much better about this game than the one at CIS. 

NOTE:  What happened to your ENTER key?
I don't think Purvis starts Saturday.  I see Leslie guarding Hairston.  I think we really pound it down low and make UNC pay for playing Hairston at the 4.  IMO he cannot guard Warren, Leslie or Howell on the blocks.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:34 PM

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jds0881 wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Some people are silly.Yes Vandy isn't the answer but throwing up inexperience Robinson in there down the stretch would be silly. Gott sees him in practice and understands his grasp on the offense. If it isn't tip top shape then he isn't going to play. Vandy atleast understands the offense to a degree he just isn't anything special. Also for the few that suggested Vandy is better off staying in the lane on defense great coaching. Now when an opponents big sets a screen the guard will have no one there to challenge a jumper or stop a drive. Use common sense folks.As for Purvis he'll be fine. Like some have mentioned even in his struggles he finds ways to contribute in other ways that don't show up in the box score. He'll be key to a tourney run just like all of our 7 horses. We're going to need all of them in some shape or form. Can't forget the kid is still a freshman. He's going to make mistakes. It's clear that the competition has been raised from HS to college he's having trouble finish around the rim. That's something he's going to have to learn to adjust to and I think he will. I do like how Gott has decided to bring him off the bench because the way he does attack can serve as a spark plug and he's also a fresh body capable of playing above average defense. Gott recently seems to be pulling more of the right strings when you probably couldn't say that 2 or 3 weeks ago.On to the Holes. Not our rival wants this game bad. Key will be getting off to a quick start or at least playing them even for the first 4 to 6 minutes because I expect them to come our fast. They still got to add some kind of resume building win for their tourney chances and this is a good opportunity for them. We have a ton to play for too: sweep over UNC, knocking their tourney chances down a peg and most importantly positioning ourselves for an ACC tourney bye. Should be a barn burner.
Totally agree.  We can't allow UNC to bombard us at the start of the game, even though I don't think their intensity level will be anywhere close to what Duke's was.  I expect Purvis to start and guard Hairston. 

One concern I have about the game is Richard Howell and fouls.  He got away with a lot of reaching last night and had success at it.  Normally when that happens, Richard continues to reach.  Well, I seriously doubt he's going to get away with it on Saturday, thus he could be looking at some cheap fouls.  The Pack can't win if Richard is not on the court. 

The Pack is on a light roll and I feel much better about this game than the one at CIS. 

NOTE:  What happened to your ENTER key?
I don't think Purvis starts Saturday.  I see Leslie guarding Hairston.  I think we really pound it down low and make UNC pay for playing Hairston at the 4.  IMO he cannot guard Warren, Leslie or Howell on the blocks.
The more I think about it, I like your POV better.  The reason I like your POV is because we just had some nice success with last night's lineup.  Gott should make ole Roy adjust to us (being big) as opposed to him adjusting to the Holes being small.  It's going to be a chess match either way.  biggrin

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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:39 PM

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hunwolf wrote: So...wait...there are people who actually think we are recruiting over Purvis?

I just. Nevermind.

Seriously.  It's amazing how short many fans' memories really are.  Purvis is a liability and is getting recruited over because he's had a few games with low output.  How dare a freshman not play to the level of his ability for his entire rookie season!!  Meanwhile, T.J. Warren, held completely off the stat sheet merely a week ago has a breakout game and is the second coming of David Thompson and will likely go pro.  It's really quite comical.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:40 PM

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This thread is moving very slowly.

Did LiveDeacsinUnitards get banned?
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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:40 PM

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grantwolf wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
 
Not once have I ever said Purvis sucks and admitted I've been a bit harder on Purvis than most players.  The kid has talent but he also has obvious flaws in his game.  You and others openly made this kid out to be the second coming of DT and Dwyane Wade and when I totally disagreed at those comparisons you and other gave me a lot of flack. 

Now, since he's not performing that way, you and others want to say he's in a slump.  Being in a slump is what TJ Warren was in. TJ was missing shots he normally would make.  In Rodney's case, he's been having problems finishing all season long so how is that a slump.   It only appears he's in a slump because the tempo has slowed down, the competition and stakes are higher, his confidence has waned, and he hasn't played with as much passion as before. 

As far as last night's game, he still missed a lot of layups, but I thought he played a decent game.  He made some nice hustle plays and those are just as important as scoring on this Pack team.

Now run along and continue your job of evaluating everyone's post-game comments and challenging their fanhood.

Rodney has flaws in his game?!  What?!  You mean, a freshman guard has flaws?  Interesting.

Guess who else has flaws?  Everyone.

If Warren didn't have flaws in his game, he wouldn't disappear for multiple games at a time.
If Lewis didn't have flaws in his game, he'd be more than a 10-minute or less guy when Brown is healthy.

I don't personally recall anyone stating that Purvis would be DT or Wade.  There may have been people who compared his STYLE with Wade...but I doubt anyone really thought he'd be DW as a freshman.

And guess what, most people (coach included) probably think that all 3 freshman will be really important players for us this year and in the future, and they will.
Purvis as a Freshman >>> Wade as a freshman

Seriously, Purvis has a few flaws, but the kid is still a baller.  I would take him over any other Freshman SG in the league, INCLUDING SULAIMON.  He's already a baller and seems to make the game fun (even though he's currently in a bad freshman slump) and enjoys playing it.  Gotta love the kids attitude.  He'll stick with it, he'll learn from his mistakes and hopefully he gets some FT reps in, cause he's gonna be spending some time there during his college and PRO career.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:49 PM

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 (even though he's currently in a bad freshman slump) 
[the great bryndini] he is not in a slump he just cannot play basketball. Now let me do a GIS so I can correct his game[/the great bryndini]



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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:52 PM

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Packster wrote:
 
Purvis as a Freshman >>> Wade as a freshman


You sure about that?
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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:53 PM

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I like the energy Purvis gives coming off the bench and I think Gott stays with the starting lineup from last night. Rodney will still play significant minutes, just coming off the bench.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:55 PM

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Packster wrote:
Purvis as a Freshman >>> Wade as a freshman

Seriously, Purvis has a few flaws, but the kid is still a baller.  I would take him over any other Freshman SG in the league, INCLUDING SULAIMON.  He's already a baller and seems to make the game fun (even though he's currently in a bad freshman slump) and enjoys playing it.  Gotta love the kids attitude.  He'll stick with it, he'll learn from his mistakes and hopefully he gets some FT reps in, cause he's gonna be spending some time there during his college and PRO career.

Wade averaged 18 ppg, FT percent was 69 percent, and shot close to 50 percent as a college freshman.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:58 PM

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jds0881 wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Some people are silly.Yes Vandy isn't the answer but throwing up inexperience Robinson in there down the stretch would be silly. Gott sees him in practice and understands his grasp on the offense. If it isn't tip top shape then he isn't going to play. Vandy atleast understands the offense to a degree he just isn't anything special. Also for the few that suggested Vandy is better off staying in the lane on defense great coaching. Now when an opponents big sets a screen the guard will have no one there to challenge a jumper or stop a drive. Use common sense folks.As for Purvis he'll be fine. Like some have mentioned even in his struggles he finds ways to contribute in other ways that don't show up in the box score. He'll be key to a tourney run just like all of our 7 horses. We're going to need all of them in some shape or form. Can't forget the kid is still a freshman. He's going to make mistakes. It's clear that the competition has been raised from HS to college he's having trouble finish around the rim. That's something he's going to have to learn to adjust to and I think he will. I do like how Gott has decided to bring him off the bench because the way he does attack can serve as a spark plug and he's also a fresh body capable of playing above average defense. Gott recently seems to be pulling more of the right strings when you probably couldn't say that 2 or 3 weeks ago.On to the Holes. Not our rival wants this game bad. Key will be getting off to a quick start or at least playing them even for the first 4 to 6 minutes because I expect them to come our fast. They still got to add some kind of resume building win for their tourney chances and this is a good opportunity for them. We have a ton to play for too: sweep over UNC, knocking their tourney chances down a peg and most importantly positioning ourselves for an ACC tourney bye. Should be a barn burner.
Totally agree.  We can't allow UNC to bombard us at the start of the game, even though I don't think their intensity level will be anywhere close to what Duke's was.  I expect Purvis to start and guard Hairston. 

One concern I have about the game is Richard Howell and fouls.  He got away with a lot of reaching last night and had success at it.  Normally when that happens, Richard continues to reach.  Well, I seriously doubt he's going to get away with it on Saturday, thus he could be looking at some cheap fouls.  The Pack can't win if Richard is not on the court. 

The Pack is on a light roll and I feel much better about this game than the one at CIS. 

NOTE:  What happened to your ENTER key?
I don't think Purvis starts Saturday.  I see Leslie guarding Hairston.  I think we really pound it down low and make UNC pay for playing Hairston at the 4.  IMO he cannot guard Warren, Leslie or Howell on the blocks.
Leslie guarding a 3 point shooter? Chasing him around, running into screens? If this is the case, there had better be a lot of switching on screens which will give McAdoo a field day. UNC's offense has those shooters receiving and shooting the ball in rhythm. Must do something to disrupt that. On the ball defense will be very important. Watch the film and realize where they will be passing the ball in their set offense.
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