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RE: Holden Thorp Leaving UNC To Be Provost at Washington Univ
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:58 AM
RE: Holden Thorp Leaving UNC To Be Provost at Washington Univ
I caught the last few minutes of the "60 Minutes" piece a few weeks ago about Washington U.
Just saw the part about the new basketball arena, other facilities and their athletic programs. From what I saw it seemed like it was a pretty positive piece. Did anyone else catch the entire segment? Thoughts?
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:59 AM
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CalStabbinsGhost wrote:
ProfessorWolf wrote: The favor will be returned to UNC. Thorp goes to a serious academic institution and in exchange, he will be replaced by a new Chancellor coming from the administrative ranks of a serious academic institution.
They will pick some kind of minority and the story will be how awesome they are for worshiping at the altar of diversity. My guess is it will be a Hispanic email. *Snort* This technology stuff is really getting out of hand!
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:03 AM
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David6310 wrote: I caught the last few minutes of the "60 Minutes" piece a few weeks ago about Washington U.
Just saw the part about the new basketball arena, other facilities and their athletic programs. From what I saw it seemed like it was a pretty positive piece. Did anyone else catch the entire segment? Thoughts? Are you sure this was Washington U. in STL? Or was it U Dub in Seattle? The one in STL competes in D3, not much to report on there athletically.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:06 AM
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Treyvon wrote:
5452wolf wrote:
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55blue wrote:
WaffleIron wrote: another rouge out the door? whats the official tally now.... 100? 200? gone in the last 3 years
Waffle,
Is it possible that Holden knows some of the dirt SACS will dig up?This dirt will be exposed about the time he leaves which will force the NCAA to return and he will not be there to answer to them?Does this theory make any sense to you? This was the angle I was thinking of.
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The timing is also curiously coincidental to the SBI dropping their investigation with the DA.
Say that again?????? Say what?
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:08 AM
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The NCAA long ago told Thorpe to trash the football team and everyone would go from there. Neither party could have anticipated the academic issue(s) and have been winging it (rather badly) since. Thorpe was the puppet for the BOT and nothing else. He's not the villain he's made out to be here, but he isn't the Saint his academic bretheren make him out to be either.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:11 AM
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Dave Robertson was "the greatest southpaw (pitcher) the game ever knew" - John J. McGraw, The Milwaukee Sentinel, May 21, 1916 |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:13 AM
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5452wolf wrote:
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55blue wrote:
WaffleIron wrote: another rouge out the door? whats the official tally now.... 100? 200? gone in the last 3 years
Waffle,
Is it possible that Holden knows some of the dirt SACS will dig up?This dirt will be exposed about the time he leaves which will force the NCAA to return and he will not be there to answer to them?Does this theory make any sense to you? This was the angle I was thinking of.
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The timing is also curiously coincidental to the SBI dropping their investigation with the DA.
Say that again?????? Say what? --------------------------------------------- Not dropped as in abandoned, but as in delivered.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:14 AM
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It's absolutely absurd that Thorp is still getting paid by the taxpayers of North Carolina after all of the obvious transgressions under his watch.
And we had a Chancellor fired over giving a job to the Goverenor's wife.
You seriously can't make this stuff up....
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:15 AM
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55blue wrote: I also wonder if he will try and return to UNC in 5-6 years after this is over? You think their scandal will be over in 5-6 years? 
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:19 AM
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WUF84 wrote:
ProfessorWolf wrote: The favor will be returned to UNC. Thorp goes to a serious academic institution and in exchange, he will be replaced by a new Chancellor coming from the administrative ranks of a serious academic institution. This is really a step down for Thorp, correct? From Chancellor at a Public University with ~25K students to Provost (#2 position) at an Academic 12K University. I do think you are correct, the next UNC Chancellor will be 100% academic who will be an enforcer over policy. No more looking the other way for a long time!
As the university’s chief executive officer, Chancellor Mark S. Wrighton leads approximately 13,000 faculty and staff, 13,000 students and oversees the university's total operating budget of $1.8 billion. Led by Chair Stephen F. Brauer and composed of 50 leaders from various professions, Board members work in committees and serve as the chief governing body of the university. The Provost works to continually improve the university community by establishing university-wide initiatives for curriculum, diversity and global outreach. As chief academic officer of the university, the Provost oversees teaching, learning, scholarship and research across the university.
He will be the Chief Academic Officer at a well respected "academic first" university. It may be a lateral move depending on one's perspective.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:22 AM
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pskunk119 wrote: He's probably better suited for a school with a D3 athletic program. They won't run all over him there. True, he did suffer from being very naieve and the sports program steam rolled him at UNC. |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:23 AM
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WUF84 wrote:
ProfessorWolf wrote: The favor will be returned to UNC. Thorp goes to a serious academic institution and in exchange, he will be replaced by a new Chancellor coming from the administrative ranks of a serious academic institution. This is really a step down for Thorp, correct? From Chancellor at a Public University with ~25K students to Provost (#2 position) at an Academic 12K University. I do think you are correct, the next UNC Chancellor will be 100% academic who will be an enforcer over policy. No more looking the other way for a long time! Not if the same BOT and BOG are the ones making the hire. |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:31 AM
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Another thought
Holden has been employed by the BOT and therefore acted on their behalf - he had bosses & had to toe the company line.
Now he has new bosses as of 7/1/13.
Maybe this will give him the opportunity/impetus to come clean on all the info. Maybe he's feeding Kane.
Think about it - he's an academic that had to embrace athletics as the chancellor. (Maybe even as the Dean of A&S since Dr. N was under him)
His academic career at UNC-ch has been shattered. To the point he's moving after living in a 50 mile radius for 50 years.
Maybe he doesn't like the jocks....
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:37 AM
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TruthBKnownReturns wrote:
55blue wrote: I also wonder if he will try and return to UNC in 5-6 years after this is over? You think their scandal will be over in 5-6 years? Just guessing 5-6 years. With this bunch you never know. I was basing my hypothesis on the fact that the scandal will be 3 years old in late June. So that would mean the life of the scandal would be 8-9 years.Hell, it has to end sometime with everything unearthed. Tom Ross is just like Pinocchio.
1.He is a puppet.
2.He tells lies.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:39 AM
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55blue wrote: I also wonder if he will try and return to UNC in 5-6 years after this is over? No, but this move is a stepping stone to his real Holy Grail....Kansas. Carolina 's problems are like those of the Titanic. They've hit an iceberg and we've only seen 10% of the problem so far. But, the ship is sinking - make no mistake about that. |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:43 AM
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pack78 wrote:
55blue wrote: I also wonder if he will try and return to UNC in 5-6 years after this is over? No, but this move is a stepping stone to his real Holy Grail....Kansas. You may be right. There are quite a bit of UNC/Kansas connections that have gone on for decades. Tom Ross is just like Pinocchio.
1.He is a puppet.
2.He tells lies.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:01 PM
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Wuffity wrote:
WUF84 wrote:
ProfessorWolf wrote: The favor will be returned to UNC. Thorp goes to a serious academic institution and in exchange, he will be replaced by a new Chancellor coming from the administrative ranks of a serious academic institution. This is really a step down for Thorp, correct? From Chancellor at a Public University with ~25K students to Provost (#2 position) at an Academic 12K University. I do think you are correct, the next UNC Chancellor will be 100% academic who will be an enforcer over policy. No more looking the other way for a long time! Not if the same BOT and BOG are the ones making the hire. True and I would also add if the Rams club has any say in the matter. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Last edited 2/18/2013 12:04 PM by Treyvon
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:15 PM
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Most universities would want to hire an academic 'enforcer' to oversee the clean up of the many academic 'irregularities' at said university, but UN*C is not like most. Just ask them.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 1:05 PM
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I bet Washington U. has no idea UNC is even involved in an academic scandal.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 1:09 PM
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vajamala wrote: I bet Washington U. has no idea UNC is even involved in an academic scandal. Perhaps some of us should let them know? We have quite a few links exposing the goings-on at the Hill.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 1:14 PM
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TruthBKnownReturns wrote:
vajamala wrote: I bet Washington U. has no idea UNC is even involved in an academic scandal. Perhaps some of us should let them know? We have quite a few links exposing the goings-on at the Hill. That would be sweet. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Posted: 2/18/2013 1:18 PM
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Treyvon wrote:
Wuffity wrote:
WUF84 wrote:
ProfessorWolf wrote: The favor will be returned to UNC. Thorp goes to a serious academic institution and in exchange, he will be replaced by a new Chancellor coming from the administrative ranks of a serious academic institution. This is really a step down for Thorp, correct? From Chancellor at a Public University with ~25K students to Provost (#2 position) at an Academic 12K University. I do think you are correct, the next UNC Chancellor will be 100% academic who will be an enforcer over policy. No more looking the other way for a long time! Not if the same BOT and BOG are the ones making the hire.
True and I would also add if the Rams club has any say in the matter. IF some big Rams Club members made hearty donations to some powerful legislators' campaigns, and IF those powerful legislators were instumental in selecting key BOG members, and IF the BOT dutifully falls in line, what do you think might happen? |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 1:33 PM
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This is an upgrade for Holden. unc, even at the apex of their delusion and cheating, is not in the same world academically.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:49 PM
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So, the clean-out continues. How about those 4 AD staff who lied about reporting the academic fraud to the Faculty Athletics Committee next? Why are they still on the payroll after being busted by ALL faculty members interviewed for the Martin Report? And then Boxill after that-- who backed up the AD guys on that lie. Surely the faculty isn't going to elect her as their chairperson again after that humiliating sell-out of academics.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 7:23 PM
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How does university attorney, Steve Keady, still have his job after asserting to the NCAA the following about Michael McAdoo's paper: "So what happened here was Michael completed his Swahili paper then he asked Jennifer for help with the citations and as I think you will hear he wanted help because he was worried about plagiarism; he knew that you have to cite ideas that are not yours…This work reflects his ideas exclusively. It is not a rip off. This really is his work."? Is no one going to be held accountable on the Hill?
"Here stands baseball's perfect warrior. Here stands baseball's perfect knight." - Ford C. Frick referring to Stan Musial.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:18 PM
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After he announces they are going to the big 1g with UVA, there is NO WAY he can go back to his simple life as a chemistry prof. on that campus, He's got to relocate
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:32 PM
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PackFMM wrote: After he announces they are going to the big 1g with UVA, there is NO WAY he can go back to his simple life as a chemistry prof. on that campus, He's got to relocate And when will this be happening?
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Posted: 2/19/2013 12:38 AM
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David6310 wrote: stunned. Washington U is an incredibly prestigious school academically. We're talking rankings as high as some of the Ivy League schools. Why would a school like this risk hiring this tainted guy???
ETA - need to check the BOT at Washington U...gotta be some UNC connections there. Wash U doesn't really care about athletics. I have taught some classes for their continuing education degree programs over the years and they really don't have the pressure of big time athletics there. So, the question is, does Thorp have the academic chops they require. I would have guessed yes even beyond my State Red glasses. It is also obvious that this scandal really has not clung to him. So, I guess people are buying that he had little to do with it. Frankly I have always thought he was just a patsy that got bullied/enticed to go along with the money boosters who/ with the coaches starting with Dean (or McGuire??) instituted thier policies of cheating back in the day. --------------------------------------------------------------
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Posted: 2/19/2013 9:11 AM
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^ So I guess Washington U doesn't mind if their provost is someone who can be bullied/enticed to compromise the academic integrity of the university?
I guess they're sympathetic cause he was bullied by the mean jocks like in Revenge of the Nerds? Now they're giving a fellow nerd refuge at a jock-free school. I bet Lambda Lambda Lambda has a big chapter there.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 9:36 AM
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Posted: 2/19/2013 9:52 AM
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I was sorta hoping he would take his experience as chancellor at the university and break bad.
I bet he could cook up some high quality meth.
“I would still like to get a college degree someday,” he said. “But not at the University of North Carolina. They just wasted my time.”
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Posted: 2/19/2013 10:12 AM
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This is true. Washington University is the most professional school have have dealt with.
Huge upgrade.
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This is an upgrade for Holden. unc, even at the apex of their delusion and cheating, is not in the same world academically.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 10:13 AM
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Could be Dr. Thorp was hired to restore big time football to Washington University like he did at Carolina. After all Dr. Throop was chancellor at WU when he and NFL hall of famer Coach Counzelman led the Bears to three Missouri Valley Conference championships when that league included Oklahoma State and Nebraska IIRC. Throop reassures students big time coach will remainDave Robertson was "the greatest southpaw (pitcher) the game ever knew" - John J. McGraw, The Milwaukee Sentinel, May 21, 1916 |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 10:26 AM
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2packfans4ever wrote:
packfan122222 wrote: St. Louis will be a great place for him to cruise around with the top down in his Miata. Good for him.
He really needs to cruise East St. Louis......... after dark.  |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 2:00 PM
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Mr Thorp was absolutely clueless at unc on athletics. The location of unc was what he liked best about unc. He will be in his academic element at Washington U. The pressure of this scandal was debilitating for him. How much pressure can an academic genius have over studying during his academic career ? He was on cruise control as chancy and did not know how to turn it off before going over the cliff....he listened to unc lawyers too much.
Now Mr Ross....that is another matter. He knows exactly what is going on as does mr E Bowles. Mr Ross, the man that hired a music major for the Presidency of Western Carolina in the midst of a financial shortcoming at the System level ( not that the man was a friend of Mr Bowles and Mr Clinton).
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Posted: 2/20/2013 8:38 AM
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Note to Dr. Thorp: St. Louis, especially, East St. Louis, is a tough neighborhood. Seriously.
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