More success stories from the ACC Championship Game.

"Florida State took the trophy home from the 2012 ACC championship game in December.

It also brought back debt.

According to the school's income statement from the game, obtained by Warchant.com via public records request, Florida State lost more than $478,000 from its participation in the ACC championship in Charlotte, N.C., on Dec. 1."

http://floridastate.rivals.com...asp?CID=1472519

Nobody wants to watch their team play Georgia Tech. It's painful to watch.

they should send a bill to Swofford.

I thought unc won the acc championship?  Just ask Fedora.

I guess they should have sold more tickets to their fans.  

I suspect football conference championship games will disappear in the next few years. In fact when the playoffs get to 16 teams (which is where I think they'll end up), it will actually be advantageous for a conference not to have that game. They're more apt to be able to wedge their second team into that 16. Both teams will also benefit from fewer chances at injury.

It's really ironic that a lot of the expansion was done out of the desire to hold a conference championship game. That was really the initial driver for the SEC and Big 12 and the ACC, Big 10 and Pac 10 followed suit.

All 5 people at the game had a good time.

Didn't the conference make significant $$ off of TV revenue?

I don't believe this includes the TV revenue distribution.

The frustrating part for FSU fans is that the game was in FL when FSU struggled during Bowden's final years, but it's in NC now that we are competitive again. FSU was in the first game in Jacksonville in 2005, which was a sellout or close to it. The 2010 game against VT had a large crowd due to VT support and FSU's first trip to the champ game since 2005. The 2012 game was a disaster due to the combination of bad opponent, coming off an ugly loss the week before, and some general disappointment w/the season (even though we were 10-2 at that point).

I think the game would have had much better attendance if it were in Jax or Tampa in 2012. Likely not a sellout, but at least 50-60k butts in seats. FSU fans simply weren't willing to shell out travel costs for that particular game, especially since it was likely that we would be in the Orange Bowl a few weeks later. Also, the tickets were selling for only a few bucks on the secondary market, so no need to buy the tickets from the school ticket office.

Nole915 wrote: The frustrating part for FSU fans is that the game was in FL when FSU struggled during Bowden's final years, but it's in NC now that we are competitive again. FSU was in the first game in Jacksonville in 2005, which was a sellout or close to it. The 2010 game against VT had a large crowd due to VT support and FSU's first trip to the champ game since 2005. The 2012 game was a disaster due to the combination of bad opponent, coming off an ugly loss the week before, and some general disappointment w/the season (even though we were 10-2 at that point).

I think the game would have had much better attendance if it were in Jax or Tampa in 2012. Likely not a sellout, but at least 50-60k butts in seats. FSU fans simply weren't willing to shell out travel costs for that particular game, especially since it was likely that we would be in the Orange Bowl a few weeks later. Also, the tickets were selling for only a few bucks on the secondary market, so no need to buy the tickets from the school ticket office.

The problem with most of these titles games is they are held in places that don't border the states most of the schools are in.  The SEC title game works because pretty much every school in the league that has a really good chance of getting there is either located in Georgia, or in a state that borders Georgia.  Not every fan of a team lives near campus.  It's not a far drive for fans living on the Georgia border to go see their team play in the game.  OTOH, it doesn't work well when BC and Wake Forest fans have to travel to Florida to see their team play.  The ACC title game would have been a huge success, if the ACC had stayed like it was in the 90s.  We needed #1 FSU vs #5 Miami Round 2 almost every year in the state of Florida to make it work.

Alternate games between the Atlantic and Coastal division rep every year.

I think the ACC needs to move to the head of the curve and make the game between the two best teams regardless of where they fit in the divisional makeup. A Clemson/FSU game would have sold-out (or been very close). GT had no business playing for the ACC title with there conference record either. As we move to more teams (14 and then 16), the ACC championship game has a chance to mean something.

BTW, conference championships aren't going anywhere. The ACC makes a ton off this game in TV revenue. It just might need to be re-structured so that the teams playing in the game are assured to not lose money before they rest of the conference is payed out.

bsorry11 wrote: Alternate games between the Atlantic and Coastal division rep every year.

amen

9mariowilliams90 wrote: I think the ACC needs to move to the head of the curve and make the game between the two best teams regardless of where they fit in the divisional makeup. A Clemson/FSU game would have sold-out (or been very close). GT had no business playing for the ACC title with there conference record either. As we move to more teams (14 and then 16), the ACC championship game has a chance to mean something.

BTW, conference championships aren't going anywhere. The ACC makes a ton off this game in TV revenue. It just might need to be re-structured so that the teams playing in the game are assured to not lose money before they rest of the conference is payed out.

No matter what they do, the right teams need to start winning.  FSU, Clemson, and Miami need to start dominating the league again.  The SEC title game works because they don't have Cinderella Vanderbilt making runs to the title games.

FSU has no one to blame for losing money than themselves and their administration. There were a lot more than 2200 FSU fans at this game - the issue is whether FSU fans bought them through the school or not. GT did everything possible to **market** the tickets that the school was obligated to take. Perhaps the issue FSU fans should have is with their administration and gouging their fans???

GT made sure every ticket that Tech was on the hook for got used - FSU didn't and is crying about the financial loss - screw 'em.

Nole915 wrote: The frustrating part for FSU fans is that the game was in FL when FSU struggled during Bowden's final years, but it's in NC now that we are competitive again. FSU was in the first game in Jacksonville in 2005, which was a sellout or close to it. The 2010 game against VT had a large crowd due to VT support and FSU's first trip to the champ game since 2005. The 2012 game was a disaster due to the combination of bad opponent, coming off an ugly loss the week before, and some general disappointment w/the season (even though we were 10-2 at that point).

I think the game would have had much better attendance if it were in Jax or Tampa in 2012. Likely not a sellout, but at least 50-60k butts in seats. FSU fans simply weren't willing to shell out travel costs for that particular game, especially since it was likely that we would be in the Orange Bowl a few weeks later. Also, the tickets were selling for only a few bucks on the secondary market, so no need to buy the tickets from the school ticket office.

Alabama fans wouldn't use this excuse.

packfan122222 wrote:

Nole915 wrote: The frustrating part for FSU fans is that the game was in FL when FSU struggled during Bowden's final years, but it's in NC now that we are competitive again. FSU was in the first game in Jacksonville in 2005, which was a sellout or close to it. The 2010 game against VT had a large crowd due to VT support and FSU's first trip to the champ game since 2005. The 2012 game was a disaster due to the combination of bad opponent, coming off an ugly loss the week before, and some general disappointment w/the season (even though we were 10-2 at that point).

I think the game would have had much better attendance if it were in Jax or Tampa in 2012. Likely not a sellout, but at least 50-60k butts in seats. FSU fans simply weren't willing to shell out travel costs for that particular game, especially since it was likely that we would be in the Orange Bowl a few weeks later. Also, the tickets were selling for only a few bucks on the secondary market, so no need to buy the tickets from the school ticket office.

Alabama fans wouldn't use this excuse.

Why should a FSU fan pay $60 per ticket when he could pay $5 through a secondary market?

We have the same issue at Carter-Finley.  Until the market value of the ticket is what face value is, we're going to continue to lose season ticket holders.

bsorry11 wrote: Alternate games between the Atlantic and Coastal division rep every year.

Much better idea than what is currently happening.

Big 4 Country wrote:

9mariowilliams90 wrote: I think the ACC needs to move to the head of the curve and make the game between the two best teams regardless of where they fit in the divisional makeup. A Clemson/FSU game would have sold-out (or been very close). GT had no business playing for the ACC title with there conference record either. As we move to more teams (14 and then 16), the ACC championship game has a chance to mean something.

BTW, conference championships aren't going anywhere. The ACC makes a ton off this game in TV revenue. It just might need to be re-structured so that the teams playing in the game are assured to not lose money before they rest of the conference is payed out.

No matter what they do, the right teams need to start winning.  FSU, Clemson, and Miami need to start dominating the league again.  The SEC title game works because they don't have Cinderella Vanderbilt making runs to the title games.

The SEC title game "works" because it is the game to decide the champion of the SEC, the best football conference in the country. Oh yeah, and if the last 7 years are any indication it is also for a spot in the National Championship game. Atlanta is ground zero for SEC football, it doesn't matter who is in that game it will be sold out and watched by everybody else on TV. It's the ACC bball tournament in the 80's times 10.

Are you starting to see the difference with the ACCCG yet?

We're not Alabama fans.  Not too many programs have that kind of passion.  Our spring game has drawn about 40k-50k the last few years, but Alabama draws a 90k sellout every year.

I believe that Charlotte is the right place for the game since it is centrally located, especially if Clemson is representing the Atlantic in the game (obviously it is convenient for NCSU).  It's also the best place for the Coastal champion, unless Miami begins to make the game.

The PAC-12 was smart to locate their conference championship game at the school with the best record. Guaranteed sell-out every year.

Play the game at the home stadium of the team with the highest BCS ranking. Then you aren't stuck with the travel burden since most schools only get a few thousand visitor tickets anyway.

TheInnerLight wrote:

bsorry11 wrote: Alternate games between the Atlantic and Coastal division rep every year.

Much better idea than what is currently happening.

What?  Why should an 8-0 Atlantic team have to play at a 5-3 Coastal team's home?

Playing at the home of the highest BCS ranked team is a better proposal.

bobbyjay wrote: Play the game at the home stadium of the team with the highest BCS ranking. Then you aren't stuck with the travel burden since most schools only get a few thousand visitor tickets anyway.

Probably would be one and the same, but the best record should have the game.