rswilli2 wrote:

MisterRee wrote:

Loucouldcoach wrote: . I don't understand why folks take it so serious to the point it becomes personal (ie Ree  bringing up a posters view about a coach that hasnt been here in what  7 years now?  and vice versa)

I have only done that with one poster. He rode me for years about any criticism I ever laid on Sendek. I am simply pointing out his complete hypocrisy.

That's a Hatfield-McCoy feud, Lou. Goes back longer than the mind remembers. Just let it be. 

Faye was absolutely looney in his defense of all things sendek.  I remember it all too well.  That ship has sailed.  It is clear the ones being critical of sendek were correct.

I don't think I want to listen to the folks that thought sendek was a very good coach when evaluating coaches.

It is interesting how Gott gets more heat sooner because he has some McDonald's AA's - 3 of which are freshmen. Yet some wanted to excuse other coaches for not having talent - which was his job to acquire.

Gott did inherit 4 very good players which in the end will determine how far this team goes but I give him credit for getting guys he didn't recruit to play for him, that doesn't always happen.

sorry, any one supporting sendek's  tenure ,as being not underacheiving , should avoid public coaching critiques

but,i guess we're all legends in our own minds

MisterRee wrote:

grantwolf wrote:

JaegerWolf wrote: I agree that wanting him fired halfway through his 2nd season with a top recruiting class coming in is crazy. I thought I made that clear. Maybe not.

On the other hand, being much better than his 3 predecessors is hardly a testament to greatness.

But you'd agree that being better than his 3 predecessors here in year 1 1/2 is a step in the right direction, and certainly deserving of some patience and support, no?

I want to hear the detractors expectations
1) of what the coach should have done in his first two years
2) what he should do every year

Yeah, I want to hear it too. I cut Gott a lot of slack for starters he didn't recruit.

Wolfdog6 wrote:

MisterRee wrote:

grantwolf wrote:

JaegerWolf wrote: I agree that wanting him fired halfway through his 2nd season with a top recruiting class coming in is crazy. I thought I made that clear. Maybe not.

On the other hand, being much better than his 3 predecessors is hardly a testament to greatness.

But you'd agree that being better than his 3 predecessors here in year 1 1/2 is a step in the right direction, and certainly deserving of some patience and support, no?

I want to hear the detractors expectations
1) of what the coach should have done in his first two years
2) what he should do every year

Yeah, I want to hear it too. I cut Gott a lot of slack for starters he didn't recruit.

I notice no one has answered this question

Wolfdog6 wrote:

MisterRee wrote:

grantwolf wrote:

JaegerWolf wrote: I agree that wanting him fired halfway through his 2nd season with a top recruiting class coming in is crazy. I thought I made that clear. Maybe not.

On the other hand, being much better than his 3 predecessors is hardly a testament to greatness.

But you'd agree that being better than his 3 predecessors here in year 1 1/2 is a step in the right direction, and certainly deserving of some patience and support, no?

I want to hear the detractors expectations
1) of what the coach should have done in his first two years
2) what he should do every year

Yeah, I want to hear it too. I cut Gott a lot of slack for starters he didn't recruit.

Who are these detractors? Please come forward.

Fayettewuf wrote:

Wolfdog6 wrote:

MisterRee wrote:

grantwolf wrote:

JaegerWolf wrote: I agree that wanting him fired halfway through his 2nd season with a top recruiting class coming in is crazy. I thought I made that clear. Maybe not.

On the other hand, being much better than his 3 predecessors is hardly a testament to greatness.

But you'd agree that being better than his 3 predecessors here in year 1 1/2 is a step in the right direction, and certainly deserving of some patience and support, no?

I want to hear the detractors expectations
1) of what the coach should have done in his first two years
2) what he should do every year

Yeah, I want to hear it too. I cut Gott a lot of slack for starters he didn't recruit.

Who are these detractors? Please come forward.

If you are going to ignore me. Just ignore me.

MisterRee wrote:

Fayettewuf wrote:

Wolfdog6 wrote:

MisterRee wrote:

grantwolf wrote:

JaegerWolf wrote: I agree that wanting him fired halfway through his 2nd season with a top recruiting class coming in is crazy. I thought I made that clear. Maybe not.

On the other hand, being much better than his 3 predecessors is hardly a testament to greatness.

But you'd agree that being better than his 3 predecessors here in year 1 1/2 is a step in the right direction, and certainly deserving of some patience and support, no?

I want to hear the detractors expectations
1) of what the coach should have done in his first two years
2) what he should do every year

Yeah, I want to hear it too. I cut Gott a lot of slack for starters he didn't recruit.

Who are these detractors? Please come forward.

If you are going to ignore me. Just ignore me.

LOL These damn posters quote you. I thought about ignoring everyone that quotes you too. But some of them make fun of you so what can I do?

Fayettewuf wrote:

MisterRee wrote:

Fayettewuf wrote:

Wolfdog6 wrote:

MisterRee wrote:

grantwolf wrote:

JaegerWolf wrote: I agree that wanting him fired halfway through his 2nd season with a top recruiting class coming in is crazy. I thought I made that clear. Maybe not.

On the other hand, being much better than his 3 predecessors is hardly a testament to greatness.

But you'd agree that being better than his 3 predecessors here in year 1 1/2 is a step in the right direction, and certainly deserving of some patience and support, no?

I want to hear the detractors expectations
1) of what the coach should have done in his first two years
2) what he should do every year

Yeah, I want to hear it too. I cut Gott a lot of slack for starters he didn't recruit.

Who are these detractors? Please come forward.

If you are going to ignore me. Just ignore me.

LOL These damn posters quote you. I thought about ignoring everyone that quotes you too. But some of them make fun of you so what can I do?

LMAO. Faye contends he has him on ignore and only sees his posts because they get quoted. But yet this claim is made in a direct response to Ree's post.

That's just brilliant stuff from the guy that loves to take shots at the intellect of others.

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--- rswilli2 wrote:

grantwolf wrote:

rswilli2 wrote:

grantwolf wrote: Wouldn't it be nice for our team to make a great end-of-year run in part because of our fans, not in spite of them?

How does that work? And while I certainly understand and respect your point of view, man, you should talk to my friend Rhonda about Kentucky fans last year. Y'all ain't seen crazy, and the team did all right for themselves in the end.

Right, because Kentucky and NC State are right there neck-and-neck in the basketball landscape.  We can be just as ruthless as them to our team, and expect the same results.  We have the same margin for error.

And yes, I do believe that the way a group of fans treat their players (both here, and in person) impacts the "vibe" and "emotion" of a team.  Scott Wood clearly feels like our fans are complaining...he's hearing from somewhere.

You missed the entire point. State fans are no worse than other fan bases. Not even close. With the number of boards I've visited over the years, this is rather tame. As I said, y'all haven't seen crazy if you think this is bad.

But part of the problem is that we've crossed the line again into attacking posters instead of their posts. That won't be allowed to continue. Folks can disagree and be civilized about it.

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I honestly don't care about posters going at it here. It's pretty easy to gauge who the morons are and ignore them. Any ******** twitter attacks launched at players need to stop. That will affect the team.

Engineer65 wrote:

RaleighBound wrote:

savagepagan wrote: Gott had a whole week to prepare for VT and we have to go into overtime to squeeze out a four point win over one of the worst teams in the acc?

This makes sense until you factor in the refs.

Another totally IGNORANT post!  Raleigh, it's hard to believe you watch the game, and easy to see that you don't know anything about the officials- especially the officiating in this game. VT shot 7 free throws.  Seven.  NC State shot 43- that's all your fingers and all your toes, plus your nose and your ears.  Please explain to all of us how that shows that the refs did anything to hinder NC State.  I watched closely, and I didn't see a ref block a shot, or make a steal, or set a pick, or grab a rebound.  The problems our team had were of their own doing, and the refs had nothing to do with it.  It's embarrasing and frustrating that our "fans" bring out the same lame whiny excuse after every singel game.  Maybe they are not real State fans- maybe they are eweNC fans, trying to make us look bad by posting silly posts on our board.

jeez!  how many fingers and toes do you have???

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--- DJ9686 wrote:

19WestRaleighWolf83 wrote:Any win is pretty.....do we all remember '83?

 

THE CARDIAC PACK IS BACK!!

It started at Clemson.

 

Be prepared for lots of close wins coming down the stretch and the post-season. 

I was at State in 83 and we did have some tough losses after DW went down, but the ACC was better then and I don't remember us having such a hard time against bad teams. Plus DW missed quite a few games, not just two or three.

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The whole thing in 83 started with a 1point win over a Mugsy Bogues led WF team in the first round of the ACC Tournament. We lose that game and there is no run to the championship.

I've watched the game 4 times and have honestly not seen some of the stuff you guys see. It was a great, hard fought game. Our guys played hard and their guys did too. No body has stopped Erick Green this year. He is the best. Then their guy Woods, who was 2-21 from three coming in, found his stroke. Here is a 6'9" guy having a ball. Some of the guys during time outs do look disconnected. That would be true with most teams. Everybody played hard. What more can you ask?

NC State coach: Bucket by VT's Eddie shouldn't have counted


Eddie “started at the top of the key, and the rule is, is that player, if you’re not on the lane, you cannot leave and cross that plane at the top of the key until the ball hits the rim,” Gottfried said Monday. “[Eddie] obviously did, and in my opinion that basket should have been waved off. ... The rule is in place for the very reason that if a player starts at the top of the key, you really don’t have any opportunity to block him out.”


www.roanoke.com/sports/vtbasketball/wb/320533

I'm sort of surprised that Gottfried said something about this. Usually, he's very quiet about stuff like that.

PackProwler1971 wrote: I've watched the game 4 times and have honestly not seen some of the stuff you guys see. It was a great, hard fought game. Our guys played hard and their guys did too. No body has stopped Erick Green this year. He is the best. Then their guy Woods, who was 2-21 from three coming in, found his stroke. Here is a 6'9" guy having a ball. Some of the guys during time outs do look disconnected. That would be true with most teams. Everybody played hard. What more can you ask?

I agree, these guys are playing hard, they might make passes we don't always agree with but it's not like some prior teams where posters here questioned the heart & desire of a # of players on the team.

PackProwler1971 wrote: I've watched the game 4 times and have honestly not seen some of the stuff you guys see. It was a great, hard fought game. Our guys played hard and their guys did too. No body has stopped Erick Green this year. He is the best. Then their guy Woods, who was 2-21 from three coming in, found his stroke. Here is a 6'9" guy having a ball. Some of the guys during time outs do look disconnected. That would be true with most teams. Everybody played hard. What more can you ask?

We should blow out every game

Engineer65 wrote:

RaleighBound wrote:

savagepagan wrote: Gott had a whole week to prepare for VT and we have to go into overtime to squeeze out a four point win over one of the worst teams in the acc?

This makes sense until you factor in the refs.

Another totally IGNORANT post!  Raleigh, it's hard to believe you watch the game, and easy to see that you don't know anything about the officials- especially the officiating in this game. VT shot 7 free throws.  Seven.  NC State shot 43- that's all your fingers and all your toes, plus your nose and your ears.  Please explain to all of us how that shows that the refs did anything to hinder NC State.  I watched closely, and I didn't see a ref block a shot, or make a steal, or set a pick, or grab a rebound.  The problems our team had were of their own doing, and the refs had nothing to do with it.  It's embarrasing and frustrating that our "fans" bring out the same lame whiny excuse after every singel game.  Maybe they are not real State fans- maybe they are eweNC fans, trying to make us look bad by posting silly posts on our board.

The foul differential alone is not a valid argument for or against bad officiating.  Period.

Look at the fouls that were called (mostly valid), and the ones that were not.  The ones that were not called are the problem.  Plus the triple long jump that was not called for traveling.  Plus the lane violation that tied the game at the end of regulation.  Etc.

Here's why the foul differential was not an issue:
1) State is more talented than VT.  And we pounded the ball inside all game long.  VT settled for a lot of jump shots and three point attempts.  That alone accounts for a big difference in fouling.
2) Many of their fouls on us were in the act of shooting.  Many of our fouls on them were not.  That's another difference.
3) They missed the front end of 1-and-1's a few times.  There a few more that VT left on the table.
4) At the end of regulation and at the end of OT, they were BEHIND.  They fouled to extend the game.  That's a few more in our favor.

So stop whining about the NUMBER of fouls.  That's you looking at the stat sheet and complaining.  Next time, watch the game and let your eyes tell you the story.

ArmandJ wrote: I'm sort of surprised that Gottfried said something about this. Usually, he's very quiet about stuff like that.

Apparently, Hess (or whoever it was) was not around to tell Gott to shut his ******* mouth.

It was a W and in the end that is all that matters.

Do people realize the number of free throws we shot has zero bearing on how well the game was officiated? I shouldn't have to explain why.