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Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:15 PM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
I actually think this was a pretty great win. Other than a few key bad calls that went against us, it was pretty well officiated. That team came ready to play and shot lights out from 3. They've played better than their record, but they just don't finish games. Sure, we could have played better, but it just looked like two pretty good teams getting after it out there, IMO.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:29 PM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
TruthBKnownReturns wrote: I actually think this was a pretty great win. Other than a few key bad calls that went against us, it was pretty well officiated. That team came ready to play and shot lights out from 3. They've played better than their record, but they just don't finish games. Sure, we could have played better, but it just looked like two pretty good teams getting after it out there, IMO. Teams are focused and ready to play us. They've figured out that continuous contact works in their favor since the refs let the players decide the game and don't get involved unless they're blowing calls. Think of all the fouls that could have been called against VT that weren't called. Their game plan was to mug & thug NC State, and it almost worked. Notice the code word.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:36 PM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
I agree with the observation that the team does not looked engaged with each other. The team does not have an emotional leader or someone that will take charge verbally. CJLeslie is a little bit of a cancer. He looks totally disinterested in his teammates. He never seems to look his team mates in the eye, encourage them or get fired up about anything they do. It's all about him, who fouls him, the refs or look what I just did. Even when someone slaps his hand he is looking the other way. He has yelled at Gott on the sideline on more than one occasion. During last couple minutes of the VT game I watched him stand at the free throw line with no one around him and make zero effort to get a rebound on a missed three.
I say all that because I think he is not a good teammate and lacks effort but is too talented to not play on this team that is not deep. He should sit the bench when he acts out. I think it causes team chemistry problems. I wish him well when he leaves but I think the team may be better in the long run without him.
I think Gott is doing a pretty good job in this short amount of time. I look forward to seeing where state can go.
Last edited 2/17/2013 10:40 PM by shunter34
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Posted: 2/17/2013 11:13 PM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
They also act like V didn't lose and win games on a regular basis just like Gott has this year. V had all sorts of 'WTF' losses, and close wins to 'lesser' teams. Gott is doing fine. It's not like we were like Duke and UNC are now under V on a regular basis. His calling card was that he had us ready to play at tourney time. So far, that's been the case under Gott. Works for me. KarNCSU wrote:
PackMentality87 wrote: 1.5 years at the helm. A sweet-16 appearance. Top, I mean TOP, recruits signing.
Yet, because we are 4th in the league and have lost a few we "should" have won, the feces-flinging monkeys are out in force. Gott hasn't even finished his........2nd year.
I shouldn't even be surprised by some of you nancy-boys. Sheesh. For real. People on here make it seem like State's been a top 15 team the last 5 years. Some of you act like this is worse than the preseason top25/JJ Hickson/Grant's 4 loss season. Let's see how Gott ends the season before we blow him outta the water for being a bad defensive coach or in game coach etc etc. -------------------------------------------------------------
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Posted: 2/17/2013 11:43 PM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Pacfanweb wrote: They also act like V didn't lose and win games on a regular basis just like Gott has this year. V had all sorts of 'WTF' losses, and close wins to 'lesser' teams. Gott is doing fine. It's not like we were like Duke and UNC are now under V on a regular basis. His calling card was that he had us ready to play at tourney time. So far, that's been the case under Gott. Works for me.
KarNCSU wrote:
PackMentality87 wrote: 1.5 years at the helm. A sweet-16 appearance. Top, I mean TOP, recruits signing.
Yet, because we are 4th in the league and have lost a few we "should" have won, the feces-flinging monkeys are out in force. Gott hasn't even finished his........2nd year.
I shouldn't even be surprised by some of you nancy-boys. Sheesh. For real. People on here make it seem like State's been a top 15 team the last 5 years. Some of you act like this is worse than the preseason top25/JJ Hickson/Grant's 4 loss season. Let's see how Gott ends the season before we blow him outta the water for being a bad defensive coach or in game coach etc etc. Well said, sirs, all of you.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 7:22 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
A win is a win
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Posted: 2/18/2013 7:50 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
No, it wasn't the prettiest win, but here are some encouraging points to consider:
Calvin Leslie played with passion. While being manhandled by larger players and expending lots of energy on both ends of the floor, he managed to come up with key baskets that turned momentum back to State early in second half. I'm fine with the technical, I just wish it had come from the bench. But Calvin showed some Passion!
Lo has apparently recovered from the sprain and is back to converting breaks and play calls into points.
Scott has become the clutch shooter(assassin) we've dreamed about for years.
Howell gets a double double every game. He and Leslie are both playing against more physical opponents without much foul trouble.
Lewis, offensively and defensively, has brought the urgency and heart that was lacking at times--a huge development for the team. Why would we have expected any less?
Warren and Rodney have contributed tons, and really aren't freshmen anymore, in terms of experience. Both will be key contributors down the stretch.
We have an outstanding coaching staff. I trust them to do all they can to put us in a position to win. It's great to be in the top end of the conference and in the conversation nationally!
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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:19 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
This is nothing more that wishful thinking.
I think he's the right man for the job. 4-5 nailbiters mixed with ACC refs doesn't change the upside potential. His recruits are freshman, so I don't get the criticism of his coaching except that some good fans want it all right now.
You take a look at our coaching staff, and you see quality. The product has been disappointing thus far this year, but it's not over yet.
I agree with you, that's why I said on another thread that I was looking forward to what the team will be like once the Lowe leftovers are gone. I was hopeful Gott would be able to instill a different mindset in the players he recruited and the team will be more consistent and play better defense.
All I'm pointing out on this thread is that declaring that Gottfried is a great coach, or that he is the man to lead us to championships and should be here "long term" and automatically attacking anyone who might question him is just as silly wanting to fire him halfway through his 2nd season.
There is plenty reason for optimism based on his stellar recruiting and the way he had the team playing during last years run. But there is also reason to question his defensive coaching and consistency based on his history and this year's struggles.
There is nothing wrong with being hopeful (or pessimistic), but I don't think we can declare Gott the second coming of John Wooden (or another Sidney Lowe) quite yet. Who is declaring him Wooden? Nice strawman.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:23 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
rswilli2 wrote:
jimmyVrules wrote: I would rather put up 90 points a game than play lock down "D" and play games in the 50's. Or an offense like the badgers. Someone mentioned the Lowes leftovers. Without Leslie, Brown, Wood and RH we would be in last place. He coached them up. We could play "D" like no other, score 100 a game and still have fanbase who complained. No wonder it's hard to find a top tier coach to come. The fanbase!!! Yep. It's always the fans. 
Y'all do realize that it's possible to be a very effective offensive team and still play very good defense, right? Where did this idea that it's one or the other come from? I do not see how you can declare it is a "coaching" problem 1 1/2 years into his time here. If you start seeing the same problems after other players have moved through the system then it makes sense to call it a coaching issue. Even then I am not convinced it is as big a problem as you are. Williams at UNC has played that same type of basketball and won two championships with it. I for one prefer this to that ugly UVA crap ball.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:27 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
PackBacker77 wrote:
Unfortunately for us, I think you are 100% correct.
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Next year will tell us all we need to know about Gottfried. Enough of this 10-year crap that we gave Sendek or 5 long years that we gave Lowe. Next year all Sid's recruits will be out of the program.
If we come out with the same lack of effort next year.. the same too-cool-for-school attitude.. then we know what to expect as a product of the entire Mark Gottfried era.
My fear is that we already have the answer to that question. I think I've struck out every time that I assumed that our guy would be successful once he got his guys in the program.
Right now, my thinking is that Gottfried might be the 4th or 5th best coach in this league. Not really what I was hoping for.
--------------------------------------------- Holy crap What do you people expect? s16. ranked almost the whole year, beat Duke and UNC and people are already talking about firing him. Unreal. The expectations for this fan base are so friggin' out of whack it is unbelievable.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:29 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Bryanth1a wrote:
It does not make Gott a bad coach and as long as the Pack can remain an efficient offensive team and he continues to recruit at a high level, the Pack may not have to be "very good". Just being good and/or solid defensively may be sufficient enough.
As far as intensity level of his teams, I think that will depend more on the type of recruits he brings in. Gott isn't the emotional, fiery type of coach so it will be imperative for him to have Rodney Purvises in the program. This is where I am. I am not as worried about the defense as some of you. I think you can win in tournaments with a great offense. I see plenty of intensity in this team. If you do not see it you are not looking for it.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:29 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
MisterRee wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
This is nothing more that wishful thinking.
I think he's the right man for the job. 4-5 nailbiters mixed with ACC refs doesn't change the upside potential. His recruits are freshman, so I don't get the criticism of his coaching except that some good fans want it all right now.
You take a look at our coaching staff, and you see quality. The product has been disappointing thus far this year, but it's not over yet.
I agree with you, that's why I said on another thread that I was looking forward to what the team will be like once the Lowe leftovers are gone. I was hopeful Gott would be able to instill a different mindset in the players he recruited and the team will be more consistent and play better defense.
All I'm pointing out on this thread is that declaring that Gottfried is a great coach, or that he is the man to lead us to championships and should be here "long term" and automatically attacking anyone who might question him is just as silly wanting to fire him halfway through his 2nd season.
There is plenty reason for optimism based on his stellar recruiting and the way he had the team playing during last years run. But there is also reason to question his defensive coaching and consistency based on his history and this year's struggles.
There is nothing wrong with being hopeful (or pessimistic), but I don't think we can declare Gott the second coming of John Wooden (or another Sidney Lowe) quite yet. Who is declaring him Wooden? Nice strawman. About the same number of folks declaring him Lowe. He's neither. -------
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil." - Ayn Rand
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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:33 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
JaegerWolf wrote:
MisterRee wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
This is nothing more that wishful thinking.
I think he's the right man for the job. 4-5 nailbiters mixed with ACC refs doesn't change the upside potential. His recruits are freshman, so I don't get the criticism of his coaching except that some good fans want it all right now.
You take a look at our coaching staff, and you see quality. The product has been disappointing thus far this year, but it's not over yet.
I agree with you, that's why I said on another thread that I was looking forward to what the team will be like once the Lowe leftovers are gone. I was hopeful Gott would be able to instill a different mindset in the players he recruited and the team will be more consistent and play better defense.
All I'm pointing out on this thread is that declaring that Gottfried is a great coach, or that he is the man to lead us to championships and should be here "long term" and automatically attacking anyone who might question him is just as silly wanting to fire him halfway through his 2nd season.
There is plenty reason for optimism based on his stellar recruiting and the way he had the team playing during last years run. But there is also reason to question his defensive coaching and consistency based on his history and this year's struggles.
There is nothing wrong with being hopeful (or pessimistic), but I don't think we can declare Gott the second coming of John Wooden (or another Sidney Lowe) quite yet. Who is declaring him Wooden? Nice strawman.
About the same number of folks declaring him Lowe. He's neither. Agreed he is neither So far he has turned out to be an exciting, innovative coach who has done more at NCSU than his three predecessors and yet some want him fired. Crazy
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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:59 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
PackDynasty wrote:Next year will tell us all we need to know about Gottfried.
You mean "next year", when we'll likely have lost 4 of our starters, and the "leaders" of the team will be three sophomores? Yes...next year will tell us "all we need to know about Gottfried". Ladies and gentlemen....I give you your lunatic fringe. I'm beginning to understand why we probably won't ever have a great basketball program...and it isn't the coach. __________________________________
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:00 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
MisterRee wrote:
Agreed he is neither
So far he has turned out to be an exciting, innovative coach who has done more at NCSU than his three predecessors and yet some want him fired. Crazy I do not think it is fair to declare the underachieving by the team a coaching failure. Lets not go overboard the other way either. But what innovations has Gott come up with? To his credit: He has come up with a couple of prize recruits. He has attracted a very good staff.
“I would still like to get a college degree someday,” he said. “But not at the University of North Carolina. They just wasted my time.”
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:01 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Fayettewuf wrote:
MisterRee wrote:
Agreed he is neither
So far he has turned out to be an exciting, innovative coach who has done more at NCSU than his three predecessors and yet some want him fired. Crazy I do not think it is fair to declare the underachieving by the team a coaching failure. Lets not go overboard the other way either. But what innovations has Gott come up with? To his credit: He has come up with a couple of prize recruits. He has attracted a very good staff. Maybe innovative is not the right word but his offense is a thing of beauty.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:02 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Fayettewuf wrote:
MisterRee wrote:
Agreed he is neither
So far he has turned out to be an exciting, innovative coach who has done more at NCSU than his three predecessors and yet some want him fired. Crazy I do not think it is fair to declare the underachieving by the team a coaching failure. Lets not go overboard the other way either. But what innovations has Gott come up with? To his credit: He has come up with a couple of prize recruits. He has attracted a very good staff. Your boy Herb did nothing but underachieve for ten years and you NEVER complained about it. You never even mentioned it. Ten years.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:04 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
I agree that wanting him fired halfway through his 2nd season with a top recruiting class coming in is crazy. I thought I made that clear. Maybe not.
On the other hand, being much better than his 3 predecessors is hardly a testament to greatness.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:04 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
I think Gottfried does some subtle things that are not credited to him.
1. He has zoned at just the right time in a few games.
2. Some backcourt pressure against Va. tech that bothered them just enough
3. Uses his short rotation well.
4. Very good use of time-outs and has not been caught w/o one at end game.
5. Makes good adjustments in terms of playing against ball screens, switching defenders and recognizing offensive match ups.
The guy is doing a fantastic job. The run last year and the "talent" label for the team deflects from the job he is doing. Also runs an exciting system that is fun to watch.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:07 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Add end of game play calling - They have not always executed, but there have not been any wtf heaves at the basket in end of game or critical situations. He knows his system and his personnel.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:08 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
MisterRee wrote:
Fayettewuf wrote:
MisterRee wrote:
Agreed he is neither
So far he has turned out to be an exciting, innovative coach who has done more at NCSU than his three predecessors and yet some want him fired. Crazy I do not think it is fair to declare the underachieving by the team a coaching failure. Lets not go overboard the other way either. But what innovations has Gott come up with? To his credit: He has come up with a couple of prize recruits. He has attracted a very good staff. Your boy Herb did nothing but underachieve for ten years and you NEVER complained about it. You never even mentioned it. Ten years. I do find you guys' respective tolerance levels of criticism of the two coaches quite odd. Even more odd that Fayette seemed incapable of tolerating criticism in Herb's 10th year, but accepting of it in Gott's second. __________________________________
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Last edited 2/18/2013 9:12 AM by grantwolf
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:10 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
JaegerWolf wrote: I agree that wanting him fired halfway through his 2nd season with a top recruiting class coming in is crazy. I thought I made that clear. Maybe not.
On the other hand, being much better than his 3 predecessors is hardly a testament to greatness. But you'd agree that being better than his 3 predecessors here in year 1 1/2 is a step in the right direction, and certainly deserving of some patience and support, no? __________________________________
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:18 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
grantwolf wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote: I agree that wanting him fired halfway through his 2nd season with a top recruiting class coming in is crazy. I thought I made that clear. Maybe not.
On the other hand, being much better than his 3 predecessors is hardly a testament to greatness.
But you'd agree that being better than his 3 predecessors here in year 1 1/2 is a step in the right direction, and certainly deserving of some patience and support, no? I want to hear the detractors expectations 1) of what the coach should have done in his first two years 2) what he should do every year
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:35 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
MisterRee wrote:
rswilli2 wrote:
jimmyVrules wrote: I would rather put up 90 points a game than play lock down "D" and play games in the 50's. Or an offense like the badgers. Someone mentioned the Lowes leftovers. Without Leslie, Brown, Wood and RH we would be in last place. He coached them up. We could play "D" like no other, score 100 a game and still have fanbase who complained. No wonder it's hard to find a top tier coach to come. The fanbase!!! Yep. It's always the fans.
Y'all do realize that it's possible to be a very effective offensive team and still play very good defense, right? Where did this idea that it's one or the other come from? I do not see how you can declare it is a "coaching" problem 1 1/2 years into his time here. If you start seeing the same problems after other players have moved through the system then it makes sense to call it a coaching issue. Even then I am not convinced it is as big a problem as you are. Williams at UNC has played that same type of basketball and won two championships with it.
I for one prefer this to that ugly UVA crap ball. True. Roy has had years where his team's unwillingness to play defense drove him to the point of insanity. But they also had an overwhelming talent advantage that helped make up some of the difference, and then when the end of the season rolled around, both of those teams decided to lock down, and nobody could even come close to them. I will be the happiest dude on earth if Gottfried can find a way to make these guys turn it on like that at tournament time. Because this team can win a title or two this postseason if they decide to play the kind of defense we've seen in 5 minute spurts here and there. _____________________
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:37 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Seriously has anyone mentioned firing or wanting gott gone? If so, let us know who cause I need to fire up the old ignore button again.
If folks are bitching about these 1st 2 years damn if PP ain't gonna be a miserable place next year when we are rebuilding
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:40 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Has Gott mentioned anything regarding the phantom rebound foul on Howell?
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:43 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Loucouldcoach wrote: Seriously has anyone mentioned firing or wanting gott gone? If so, let us know who cause I need to fire up the old ignore button again.
If folks are bitching about these 1st 2 years damn if PP ain't gonna be a miserable place next year when we are rebuilding I can't say as though I've seen anyone say he should be fired, but there are clearly people on our board who don't think he's a good coach. Implied in that (when voiced loudly) is that they aren't happy that he's our coach and wish we had someone better. At least one has proclaimed that next year will be the deciding factor of how we judge Gott (you know...like, let's not wait like we did with Lowe or Sendek)...so we're not at the point of "fire the guy right now", but we're not far off. __________________________________
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:45 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Loucouldcoach wrote: Seriously has anyone mentioned firing or wanting gott gone? If so, let us know who cause I need to fire up the old ignore button again.
If folks are bitching about these 1st 2 years damn if PP ain't gonna be a miserable place next year when we are rebuilding Let me go over this again, since a lot of people seem to have serious trouble comprehending why some aren't dancing in the rain and clicking their heels about this team: This is the best chance that NC State has had to win the ACC and advance to the Final Four in decades. The talent is there. When they've been engaged, focused, and sharp, they've shown signs of a team that can beat anybody. But far too often this season, from the preseason scrubs to the current ACC competition, we come out flat on offense or lazy on defense (refusing to communicate on switches, screens, and rotations, going under screens, reaching instead of moving our feet, etc.). And that's disturbing to people because we won't win **** with that level of effort and attention to detail. I think everyone realizes that this CAN be a special season, but only if the team stops going through the motions and finds the ability to do the necessary dirty work on the boards and on defense for more than 4-5 minutes at a time. _____________________
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:46 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
grantwolf wrote:
Loucouldcoach wrote: Seriously has anyone mentioned firing or wanting gott gone? If so, let us know who cause I need to fire up the old ignore button again.
If folks are bitching about these 1st 2 years damn if PP ain't gonna be a miserable place next year when we are rebuilding
I can't say as though I've seen anyone say he should be fired, but there are clearly people on our board who don't think he's a good coach. Implied in that (when voiced loudly) is that they aren't happy that he's our coach and wish we had someone better.
At least one has proclaimed that next year will be the deciding factor of how we judge Gott (you know...like, let's not wait like we did with Lowe or Sendek)...so we're not at the point of "fire the guy right now", but we're not far off. I don't want him fired at all. I think he's a very good offensive coach and recruiter who just happens to stink at teaching defense. But it's not like that was some big secret. I just hope we can get an assistant coach who can help him fill in the gaps on defensive coaching. _____________________
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:52 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
rswilli2 wrote:
Loucouldcoach wrote: Seriously has anyone mentioned firing or wanting gott gone? If so, let us know who cause I need to fire up the old ignore button again.
If folks are bitching about these 1st 2 years damn if PP ain't gonna be a miserable place next year when we are rebuilding Let me go over this again, since a lot of people seem to have serious trouble comprehending why some aren't dancing in the rain and clicking their heels about this team:
And what you and others don't realize that there's a giant chasm between "dancing in the rain" about this team (which NOBODY IS DOING), and the constant bitching a moaning that has defined our fanbase this season. These boards are full of the negativity...it boiled over onto twitter, DIRECTED at our players...who have been forced to either block fans, argue with them, or simply deal with it. And certainly prospective recruits wander through here to see what the fans are like. And yes, everyone has bad fans...but we really should get some !@#$! perspective as a fanbase...understand where we are right now...where we were just a short while ago...and freaking take a chill pill. Wouldn't it be nice for our team to make a great end-of-year run in part because of our fans, not in spite of them? __________________________________
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:52 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
grantwolf wrote:
Loucouldcoach wrote: Seriously has anyone mentioned firing or wanting gott gone? If so, let us know who cause I need to fire up the old ignore button again.
If folks are bitching about these 1st 2 years damn if PP ain't gonna be a miserable place next year when we are rebuilding
I can't say as though I've seen anyone say he should be fired, but there are clearly people on our board who don't think he's a good coach. Implied in that (when voiced loudly) is that they aren't happy that he's our coach and wish we had someone better.
At least one has proclaimed that next year will be the deciding factor of how we judge Gott (you know...like, let's not wait like we did with Lowe or Sendek)...so we're not at the point of "fire the guy right now", but we're not far off. On top of that I have seen posts that say fire Gott.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:55 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
grantwolf wrote:
rswilli2 wrote:
Loucouldcoach wrote: Seriously has anyone mentioned firing or wanting gott gone? If so, let us know who cause I need to fire up the old ignore button again.
If folks are bitching about these 1st 2 years damn if PP ain't gonna be a miserable place next year when we are rebuilding Let me go over this again, since a lot of people seem to have serious trouble comprehending why some aren't dancing in the rain and clicking their heels about this team:
And what you and others don't realize that there's a giant chasm between "dancing in the rain" about this team (which NOBODY IS DOING), and the constant bitching a moaning that has defined our fanbase this season.
These boards are full of the negativity...it boiled over onto twitter, DIRECTED at our players...who have been forced to either block fans, argue with them, or simply deal with it. And certainly prospective recruits wander through here to see what the fans are like.
And yes, everyone has bad fans...but we really should get some !@#$! perspective as a fanbase...understand where we are right now...where we were just a short while ago...and freaking take a chill pill.
Wouldn't it be nice for our team to make a great end-of-year run in part because of our fans, not in spite of them? Are you serious about it getting into twitter? Wow that is bad on so many levels. I have been ignoring posters at a record pace. Some of which I have enjoyed for many years but the contact negativity is too draining to read from them.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:57 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
grantwolf wrote: Wouldn't it be nice for our team to make a great end-of-year run in part because of our fans, not in spite of them? How does that work? And while I certainly understand and respect your point of view, man, you should talk to my friend Rhonda about Kentucky fans last year. Y'all ain't seen crazy, and the team did all right for themselves in the end. _____________________
Twitter: @chaos_disorder
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:58 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
MisterRee wrote:
grantwolf wrote:
rswilli2 wrote:
Loucouldcoach wrote: Seriously has anyone mentioned firing or wanting gott gone? If so, let us know who cause I need to fire up the old ignore button again.
If folks are bitching about these 1st 2 years damn if PP ain't gonna be a miserable place next year when we are rebuilding Let me go over this again, since a lot of people seem to have serious trouble comprehending why some aren't dancing in the rain and clicking their heels about this team:
And what you and others don't realize that there's a giant chasm between "dancing in the rain" about this team (which NOBODY IS DOING), and the constant bitching a moaning that has defined our fanbase this season.
These boards are full of the negativity...it boiled over onto twitter, DIRECTED at our players...who have been forced to either block fans, argue with them, or simply deal with it. And certainly prospective recruits wander through here to see what the fans are like.
And yes, everyone has bad fans...but we really should get some !@#$! perspective as a fanbase...understand where we are right now...where we were just a short while ago...and freaking take a chill pill.
Wouldn't it be nice for our team to make a great end-of-year run in part because of our fans, not in spite of them? Are you serious about it getting into twitter? Wow that is bad on so many levels.
I have been ignoring posters at a record pace. Some of which I have enjoyed for many years but the contact negativity is too draining to read from them. I guess extra gym time is now "practice" if you want to comment on how hard we work come watch at the Dail. Coach G lets ppl watch so hush. __________________________________
~Son, you got a panty on your head.~
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:01 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
grantwolf wrote:
MisterRee wrote:
grantwolf wrote:
rswilli2 wrote:
Loucouldcoach wrote: Seriously has anyone mentioned firing or wanting gott gone? If so, let us know who cause I need to fire up the old ignore button again.
If folks are bitching about these 1st 2 years damn if PP ain't gonna be a miserable place next year when we are rebuilding Let me go over this again, since a lot of people seem to have serious trouble comprehending why some aren't dancing in the rain and clicking their heels about this team:
And what you and others don't realize that there's a giant chasm between "dancing in the rain" about this team (which NOBODY IS DOING), and the constant bitching a moaning that has defined our fanbase this season.
These boards are full of the negativity...it boiled over onto twitter, DIRECTED at our players...who have been forced to either block fans, argue with them, or simply deal with it. And certainly prospective recruits wander through here to see what the fans are like.
And yes, everyone has bad fans...but we really should get some !@#$! perspective as a fanbase...understand where we are right now...where we were just a short while ago...and freaking take a chill pill.
Wouldn't it be nice for our team to make a great end-of-year run in part because of our fans, not in spite of them? Are you serious about it getting into twitter? Wow that is bad on so many levels.
I have been ignoring posters at a record pace. Some of which I have enjoyed for many years but the contact negativity is too draining to read from them.
I guess extra gym time is now "practice" if you want to comment on how hard we work come watch at the Dail. Coach G lets ppl watch so hush. Unreal How pathetic
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:01 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
rswilli2 wrote:
grantwolf wrote: Wouldn't it be nice for our team to make a great end-of-year run in part because of our fans, not in spite of them? How does that work? And while I certainly understand and respect your point of view, man, you should talk to my friend Rhonda about Kentucky fans last year. Y'all ain't seen crazy, and the team did all right for themselves in the end. Right, because Kentucky and NC State are right there neck-and-neck in the basketball landscape. We can be just as ruthless as them to our team, and expect the same results. We have the same margin for error. And yes, I do believe that the way a group of fans treat their players (both here, and in person) impacts the "vibe" and "emotion" of a team. Scott Wood clearly feels like our fans are complaining...he's hearing from somewhere. __________________________________
~Son, you got a panty on your head.~
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:01 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
MisterRee wrote:
Fayettewuf wrote:
MisterRee wrote:
Agreed he is neither
So far he has turned out to be an exciting, innovative coach who has done more at NCSU than his three predecessors and yet some want him fired. Crazy I do not think it is fair to declare the underachieving by the team a coaching failure. Lets not go overboard the other way either. But what innovations has Gott come up with? To his credit: He has come up with a couple of prize recruits. He has attracted a very good staff. Your boy Herb did nothing but underachieve for ten years and you NEVER complained about it. You never even mentioned it. Ten years. The reason that I have you on ignore and will keep you on ignore is your lack of reading comprehension (RC to save keystrokes), your propensity for making imbecilic statements (IS) and the fact that you keep trying to reopen the Herb debate. I did not say that Gott (gee whiz some are worried about coeds and Gott; I am worried about you and Gott) had underachieved (RC). I said this team had underachieved. Herb did nothing but underachieve for 10 years (IS, which of Herb's team was picked to win the conference) I plan to stop peeking unless I need a laugh.
“I would still like to get a college degree someday,” he said. “But not at the University of North Carolina. They just wasted my time.”
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:01 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
We have an elite basketball coaching staff. It is basketball they are coaching, not ballet. Every step cannot be orchestrated. At the highest levels, basketball is inexact. Sometimes the last shot goes in, sometimes it doesn't.
CMG warned about high expectations early on. Give this group, coaches and all, a chance to mature together. I can see it happening.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:05 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
This is nothing more that wishful thinking.
I think he's the right man for the job. 4-5 nailbiters mixed with ACC refs doesn't change the upside potential. His recruits are freshman, so I don't get the criticism of his coaching except that some good fans want it all right now.
You take a look at our coaching staff, and you see quality. The product has been disappointing thus far this year, but it's not over yet.
I agree with you, that's why I said on another thread that I was looking forward to what the team will be like once the Lowe leftovers are gone. I was hopeful Gott would be able to instill a different mindset in the players he recruited and the team will be more consistent and play better defense.
All I'm pointing out on this thread is that declaring that Gottfried is a great coach, or that he is the man to lead us to championships and should be here "long term" and automatically attacking anyone who might question him is just as silly wanting to fire him halfway through his 2nd season.
There is plenty reason for optimism based on his stellar recruiting and the way he had the team playing during last years run. But there is also reason to question his defensive coaching and consistency based on his history and this year's struggles.
There is nothing wrong with being hopeful (or pessimistic), but I don't think we can declare Gott the second coming of John Wooden (or another Sidney Lowe) quite yet. what Jaeger said
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:06 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Fayettewuf wrote:
MisterRee wrote:
Fayettewuf wrote:
MisterRee wrote:
Agreed he is neither
So far he has turned out to be an exciting, innovative coach who has done more at NCSU than his three predecessors and yet some want him fired. Crazy I do not think it is fair to declare the underachieving by the team a coaching failure. Lets not go overboard the other way either. But what innovations has Gott come up with? To his credit: He has come up with a couple of prize recruits. He has attracted a very good staff. Your boy Herb did nothing but underachieve for ten years and you NEVER complained about it. You never even mentioned it. Ten years. The reason that I have you on ignore and will keep you on ignore is your lack of reading comprehension (RC to save keystrokes), your propensity for making imbecilic statements (IS) and the fact that you keep trying to reopen the Herb debate.
I did not say that Gott (gee whiz some are worried about coeds and Gott; I am worried about you and Gott) had underachieved (RC). I said this team had underachieved.
Herb did nothing but underachieve for 10 years (IS, which of Herb's team was picked to win the conference)
I plan to stop peeking unless I need a laugh. LOL I love when someone tells me they have me on ignore. The truly funny part is your support for Herb consists of "which of Herb's team (SIC) was picked to win the conference". Truly LOL. So if Gott did not bother to recruit top players and just sucked constantly then you would praise him non stop. Got it. I know you just peaked.
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