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Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:57 PM
Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:14 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Yeah coach, I don't think you've had many of those.
"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift and that's why they call it 'the present', so enjoy it."--Alice Morse Earle via Mike Ditka |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:17 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
I'll take 15 more just like it.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:30 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
The wins against Duke and Kerliner were...some others nah so much.
"we hardly ever saw granddad around here, he only came to town about twice a year"
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:31 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Do we get 1/2 a win for this one?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:34 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
boonewolf1 wrote: The wins against Duke and Kerliner were...some others nah so much. Those wins were not pretty either. We let them both back in the game after have 20+ point leads. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:46 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
mwc71081 wrote: I'll take 15 more just like it. Exactly. I will take every 1 point win we can get.
Last edited 2/16/2013 7:53 PM by wolfpackinNC
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:52 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Better to have an ugly win than a pretty loss.
"We want guys who will play like a Jet" John Idzik, GM of the New York Jets
Locally responsive, Globally engaged.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 8:07 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
best b-ball coach @ State since V. Would you rather have Herb?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 8:22 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
hunwolf wrote: Do we get 1/2 a win for this one? If we get 1/2 a win for each of the Wake, Maryland and Virginia losses.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 8:34 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
but, hey - we'll be ready.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 8:51 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott.
"we hardly ever saw granddad around here, he only came to town about twice a year"
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:42 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
TruthBKnownReturns wrote:
hunwolf wrote: Do we get 1/2 a win for this one? If we get 1/2 a win for each of the Wake, Maryland and Virginia losses. +1 also the Miami loss (half win?)
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:55 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
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Right or wrong I'm here to fight. Unless you run away with fright. And if you wonder who I be, it's me it's me, it's Ernest T. Whoo hoo.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 11:22 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well. This is nothing more that wishful thinking. -------
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil." - Ayn Rand
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Posted: 2/17/2013 3:27 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
For all the "tutoring" he's had to do with Calvin, he still gets a pass from me.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:22 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Gott had a whole week to prepare for VT and we have to go into overtime to squeeze out a four point win over one of the worst teams in the acc?
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:58 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
savagepagan wrote: Gott had a whole week to prepare for VT and we have to go into overtime to squeeze out a four point win over one of the worst teams in the acc? This makes sense until you factor in the refs.
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Right or wrong I'm here to fight. Unless you run away with fright. And if you wonder who I be, it's me it's me, it's Ernest T. Whoo hoo.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:04 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
This is nothing more that wishful thinking. I think he's the right man for the job. 4-5 nailbiters mixed with ACC refs doesn't change the upside potential. His recruits are freshman, so I don't get the criticism of his coaching except that some good fans want it all right now. You take a look at our coaching staff, and you see quality. The product has been disappointing thus far this year, but it's not over yet.
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Right or wrong I'm here to fight. Unless you run away with fright. And if you wonder who I be, it's me it's me, it's Ernest T. Whoo hoo.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:09 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
RaleighBound wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
This is nothing more that wishful thinking.
I think he's the right man for the job. 4-5 nailbiters mixed with ACC refs doesn't change the upside potential. His recruits are freshman, so I don't get the criticism of his coaching except that some good fans want it all right now.
You take a look at our coaching staff, and you see quality. The product has been disappointing thus far this year, but it's not over yet. My thoughts exactly...I can't wait to cringe when some of the people on here start after Doeren after he runs into his first hurdle(s) on the football field. Its going to take a while to recover from 30 years of leadership stupidity and abuse. Give Gott time to work his plan and hold the criticisms until at least year 3 or 4.
Last edited 2/17/2013 9:11 AM by BravesPanthersPack
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:17 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
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Gott had a whole week to prepare for VT and we have to go into overtime to squeeze out a four point win over one of the worst teams in the acc?
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Even if you had two weeks...you don't spend anymore time on preparing for your opponent. We spent the same preparing for VT as we did any other team this year. We gave the guys rest and worked on the conditioning, game plan and giving the guys a little more rest and healing time than in the weeks before. The key is in basketball that time off like they had is great for rest , great for school work and great for healing...but bad for your game on the court.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:22 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
1.5 years at the helm. A sweet-16 appearance. Top, I mean TOP, recruits signing.
Yet, because we are 4th in the league and have lost a few we "should" have won, the feces-flinging monkeys are out in force. Gott hasn't even finished his........2nd year.
I shouldn't even be surprised by some of you nancy-boys. Sheesh.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:32 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Gott didn't give up. The same cant be said about you.
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Yeah coach, I don't think you've had many of those.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:06 AM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Any win is pretty.....do we all remember '83? THE CARDIAC PACK IS BACK!!
It started at Clemson. Be prepared for lots of close wins coming down the stretch and the post-season. |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:59 AM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
BravesPanthersPack wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
This is nothing more that wishful thinking.
I think he's the right man for the job. 4-5 nailbiters mixed with ACC refs doesn't change the upside potential. His recruits are freshman, so I don't get the criticism of his coaching except that some good fans want it all right now.
You take a look at our coaching staff, and you see quality. The product has been disappointing thus far this year, but it's not over yet. My thoughts exactly...I can't wait to cringe when some of the people on here start after Doeren after he runs into his first hurdle(s) on the football field. Its going to take a while to recover from 30 years of leadership stupidity and abuse. Give Gott time to work his plan and hold the criticisms until at least year 3 or 4. Yep.
You gravitate to that which you secretly love most. You meet in life the exact reproduction of your own thoughts |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 12:30 PM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
RaleighBound wrote:
savagepagan wrote: Gott had a whole week to prepare for VT and we have to go into overtime to squeeze out a four point win over one of the worst teams in the acc? This makes sense until you factor in the refs. Geez, can we stop b****ing about the refs? They didn't cause the game to be that close. "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift and that's why they call it 'the present', so enjoy it."--Alice Morse Earle via Mike Ditka |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 12:33 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Prowler wrote: Gott didn't give up. The same cant be said about you.
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Yeah coach, I don't think you've had many of those.
--------------------------------------------- Yeah, good one, Prowler. That comment means I've given up. If pointing out we aren't playing up to our potential, in a season that could be special, is "giving up" then you insightful comment must be right!  "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift and that's why they call it 'the present', so enjoy it."--Alice Morse Earle via Mike Ditka |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 12:35 PM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
19WestRaleighWolf83 wrote:Any win is pretty.....do we all remember '83? THE CARDIAC PACK IS BACK!!
It started at Clemson. Be prepared for lots of close wins coming down the stretch and the post-season. I was at State in 83 and we did have some tough losses after DW went down, but the ACC was better then and I don't remember us having such a hard time against bad teams. Plus DW missed quite a few games, not just two or three. "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift and that's why they call it 'the present', so enjoy it."--Alice Morse Earle via Mike Ditka |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 12:41 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
RaleighBound wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
This is nothing more that wishful thinking.
I think he's the right man for the job. 4-5 nailbiters mixed with ACC refs doesn't change the upside potential. His recruits are freshman, so I don't get the criticism of his coaching except that some good fans want it all right now.
You take a look at our coaching staff, and you see quality. The product has been disappointing thus far this year, but it's not over yet. I agree with you, that's why I said on another thread that I was looking forward to what the team will be like once the Lowe leftovers are gone. I was hopeful Gott would be able to instill a different mindset in the players he recruited and the team will be more consistent and play better defense. All I'm pointing out on this thread is that declaring that Gottfried is a great coach, or that he is the man to lead us to championships and should be here "long term" and automatically attacking anyone who might question him is just as silly wanting to fire him halfway through his 2nd season. There is plenty reason for optimism based on his stellar recruiting and the way he had the team playing during last years run. But there is also reason to question his defensive coaching and consistency based on his history and this year's struggles. There is nothing wrong with being hopeful (or pessimistic), but I don't think we can declare Gott the second coming of John Wooden (or another Sidney Lowe) quite yet. -------
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil." - Ayn Rand
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Posted: 2/17/2013 12:49 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
This is nothing more that wishful thinking.
I think he's the right man for the job. 4-5 nailbiters mixed with ACC refs doesn't change the upside potential. His recruits are freshman, so I don't get the criticism of his coaching except that some good fans want it all right now.
You take a look at our coaching staff, and you see quality. The product has been disappointing thus far this year, but it's not over yet.
I agree with you, that's why I said on another thread that I was looking forward to what the team will be like once the Lowe leftovers are gone. I was hopeful Gott would be able to instill a different mindset in the players he recruited and the team will be more consistent and play better defense.
All I'm pointing out on this thread is that declaring that Gottfried is a great coach, or that he is the man to lead us to championships and should be here "long term" and automatically attacking anyone who might question him is just as silly wanting to fire him halfway through his 2nd season.
There is plenty reason for optimism based on his stellar recruiting and the way he had the team playing during last years run. But there is also reason to question his defensive coaching and consistency based on his history and this year's struggles.
There is nothing wrong with being hopeful (or pessimistic), but I don't think we can declare Gott the second coming of John Wooden (or another Sidney Lowe) quite yet. Excellent post Jaeger. |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 1:00 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Have we had any pretty ACC games this year? Duke and GT maybe were our best. UNC would have been if we didn't give them life at the end.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 1:02 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Your quote from the game thread speaks for itself - "I'm giving up on this game. We will lose." --------------------------------------------- --- DJ9686 wrote: Prowler wrote: Gott didn't give up. The same cant be said about you.
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Yeah coach, I don't think you've had many of those.
--------------------------------------------- Yeah, good one, Prowler. That comment means I've given up. If pointing out we aren't playing up to our potential, in a season that could be special, is "giving up" then you insightful comment must be right! --------------------------------------------- Deo vindice majores aemulamur |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 1:10 PM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
I have made remarks concerning some of the losses, c o a c h i n g. I stand behind my remarks. I do think Gott is learning about the ACC abd how to coach in the ACC. He is learing the league, the players, the coaches, and how a game is called based on the refs. Going forward he will only get better, but a learning curve is present. He is the best we have had in a long time, Coach V is the last quality coach and he was run off because he was the best in the ACC. Hopefully as a university we have learned to support our coach until there is proof not just because he is beating DOOK and the Holes.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 1:45 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
Prowler wrote: Gott didn't give up. The same cant be said about you.
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Yeah coach, I don't think you've had many of those.
--------------------------------------------- ignore this loser prowler. every post is somethng negative about Gott. should be banned. Gott is an excellent coach and so is his staff. |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 1:47 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
I love State but a large number of our fans just annoy the crap out of me. 18-7 (when was the last time we were that good) and of course we're still whining. Sure we could be better, and should be better but things happen. Gottfried is a good coach, much better than we've had in a LONG time..and I hope he's here for a very long time.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 2:10 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
This is nothing more that wishful thinking.
I think he's the right man for the job. 4-5 nailbiters mixed with ACC refs doesn't change the upside potential. His recruits are freshman, so I don't get the criticism of his coaching except that some good fans want it all right now.
You take a look at our coaching staff, and you see quality. The product has been disappointing thus far this year, but it's not over yet.
I agree with you, that's why I said on another thread that I was looking forward to what the team will be like once the Lowe leftovers are gone. I was hopeful Gott would be able to instill a different mindset in the players he recruited and the team will be more consistent and play better defense.
All I'm pointing out on this thread is that declaring that Gottfried is a great coach, or that he is the man to lead us to championships and should be here "long term" and automatically attacking anyone who might question him is just as silly wanting to fire him halfway through his 2nd season.
There is plenty reason for optimism based on his stellar recruiting and the way he had the team playing during last years run. But there is also reason to question his defensive coaching and consistency based on his history and this year's struggles.
There is nothing wrong with being hopeful (or pessimistic), but I don't think we can declare Gott the second coming of John Wooden (or another Sidney Lowe) quite yet. Outstanding, well-balanced post. "If you want the truth, ask me".
Last edited 2/17/2013 2:11 PM by Bryanth1a
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Posted: 2/17/2013 2:35 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
This team just lacks intensity in games other than duke or UNC. Sad but true. Certain players more concerned with stats than with winning.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 2:50 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
PicklePacker wrote: This team just lacks intensity in games other than duke or UNC. Sad but true. Certain players more concerned with stats than with winning. I don't know where people get the intensity and the desire to win. This team has both. I believe this team is well coached. However as impressive as our first five is on paper (hence the preseason predictions) the team lacks chemistry. Energetic defense is not the same as good defense. Obviously a good defensive team is energetic. But all energetic teams are not good defensively. They do not do well in concert. For example, they do not call out switches or do not switch. Duke and VaTech lived off this inability. I doubt they are coached to allow shooters like Curry and Green get open looks. I doubt if they are coached to allow a dribbler to go around a pick and either get a layup or get fouled by Howell or Leslie. Some key players just do not seem to be coachable. It is obvious that we have a lot of players have career nights against us. When a VaTech player does it, we can still beat them. When a Duke player does it, we cannot. When we get to the NCAAT, we will not be playing VaTech. I will continue to pull for State every game. My expectations were lowered in December so I am not on a ledge. My hope that the freshmen will grow up fast is still alive. Purvis, Warren and Lewis seem to have a steep learning curve.
“I would still like to get a college degree someday,” he said. “But not at the University of North Carolina. They just wasted my time.”
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Posted: 2/17/2013 2:59 PM
RE: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
RaleighBound wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
RaleighBound wrote:
boonewolf1 wrote: ya'll can have Herb, Les, and Sidney....I'll take Gott. For the long term as well.
This is nothing more that wishful thinking.
I think he's the right man for the job. 4-5 nailbiters mixed with ACC refs doesn't change the upside potential. His recruits are freshman, so I don't get the criticism of his coaching except that some good fans want it all right now.
There are some fundamental defensive principles that Gottfried's teams are severely lacking in. And that was also evident last year, when we had experienced guys like CJ Williams and Deshawn Painter. That's where the criticism of his coaching comes from. It's like he's only doing a good job of teaching half the game of basketball. My hope is that the assistants, either the current ones or future ones, will be able to make up for his lack of ability in teaching the defensive side of the game. I like Mark Gottfried and want him to do extremely well, and believe that he can do that. But that doesn't mean that he gets a full pass on obvious deficiencies that his teams exhibit. _____________________
Twitter: @chaos_disorder
Last edited 2/17/2013 3:04 PM by rswilli2
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Posted: 2/17/2013 3:32 PM
Re: Gottfried: "It Wasn't The Prettiest Win"
PackMentality87 wrote: 1.5 years at the helm. A sweet-16 appearance. Top, I mean TOP, recruits signing.
Yet, because we are 4th in the league and have lost a few we "should" have won, the feces-flinging monkeys are out in force. Gott hasn't even finished his........2nd year.
I shouldn't even be surprised by some of you nancy-boys. Sheesh. For real. People on here make it seem like State's been a top 15 team the last 5 years. Some of you act like this is worse than the preseason top25/JJ Hickson/Grant's 4 loss season. Let's see how Gott ends the season before we blow him outta the water for being a bad defensive coach or in game coach etc etc. |
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