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How to defend against the intentional miss FT
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:15 PM
How to defend against the intentional miss FT
Goaltend the FT, which would have given VT the point and State the ball up 1.
I guess would be hard to do it without a lane violation but hell just sent CJ up there to grab the rim when they shoot it and hang on the rim and swat the ball away.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:16 PM
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...maybe just block out - ?  |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:17 PM
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Block out as if you used fundamental basketball techniques.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:21 PM
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could still happenm with a box out, no?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:26 PM
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Tougher to defend when offensive player is allowed to enter the lane illegally.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:26 PM
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In the 4OT game we played against WF, Weems missed one intentionally, and Monroe tipped it in.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:31 PM
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so that's why we didn't foul against MD.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:35 PM
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THE MD game we had a foul to give...there would have been no shots.
drink beer straight from the bottle...brilliant!
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:58 PM
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Have refs that know the rules?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:00 PM
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IIRC from the replay, Warren did not display much situational awareness on the play. If he notices his guy on the line step back and come around, he could have impeded the timing of the tip in play. Instead he driftes to the front of the rim with no block out or play on the ball. Low Bball IQ play IMO. Could/should have been anticipated and defended. We have got to be smarter players overall if we are to make a run from here.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:01 PM
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It's hard to block out 4-5 guys with 3 players.
That's why the lane violation rule was put in. You could have a guy start at half court and go flying at the rim timed with the shot. That's what they did.
Last edited 2/16/2013 7:02 PM by hunwolf
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:07 PM
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Have refs that understand the lane violation rule.
SABOTAGE!!!
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:10 PM
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This. I was at the game and couldn't believe they got the tip in. But when I saw the replay, the dude from VT came from behind the three point line to get the tip, and it was a violation, just not called. I don't blame Warren, he was moving to the front of the rim to get the board and box out the shooter. Kind of a freak play, actually, that worked to perfection for them.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:11 PM
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hunwolf wrote: It's hard to block out 4-5 guys with 3 players.
That's why the lane violation rule was put in. You could have a guy start at half court and go flying at the rim timed with the shot. That's what they did. This. I was at the game and couldn't believe they got the tip in. But when I saw the replay, the dude from VT came from behind the three point line to get the tip, and it was a violation, just not called. I don't blame Warren, he was moving to the front of the rim to get the board and box out the shooter. Kind of a freak play, actually, that worked to perfection for them. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:11 PM
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Yes the Ref missed the call still, 5 ON FIVE BB. Wood gets the shooter; Zo gets the VT player to his left at top of key; TJ get the other VT player at top of key, D. Eddie; Leslie and Rich both get their man beside them. It's fundamental BB; learned this in high school play! hunwolf wrote: It's hard to block out 4-5 guys with 3 players.
That's why the lane violation rule was put in. You could have a guy start at half court and go flying at the rim timed with the shot. That's what they did.
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Last edited 2/16/2013 7:12 PM by wolfwarrior
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:16 PM
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+ 1 million
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Have refs that know the rules?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:22 PM
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Tougher to defend when offensive player is allowed to enter the lane illegally.
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yes exactly at the half of the MD/DUKE game Greenberg , former VT coach pointed out the illegal play in the lane from VT...they even highlighted it with graphics ...sad ref day...and btw...WTF did the refs allow the VT head coach to stand clearly outside the coaches box ...but way onto the court like 3-4 ft the entire game? IF they can T-up Calvin they surely can T-up that nonsense! Everyone around me were screaming for the refs to get his butt off the court...it was unreal
just back in Greenville NC from the game...BTW there is more snow on the ground here than in and around Raleigh at least from the PNC heading east
Last edited 2/16/2013 7:26 PM by sirWUFalot
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:29 PM
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Anyone who answered block out really doesn't understand basketball or how that entire play unfolded.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:29 PM
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If there is video of this, I'd love to see it.
Between this, the Howell foul from in front of his defender, the four step non-walk, and the Lewis non-called goaltend...about all I can say is at least we weren't called for many ticky tack fouls.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:32 PM
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I hate the intentional foul while up by three. Too much can go wrong. If you've got Thurl, Tommy, or Cozell on the low block, maybe you feel more comfortable doing it. In no way was it a good decision, given our in-ability to box out when it really counts.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:35 PM
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Is there video of this? I didnt see the second half.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:37 PM
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Anyone who answered block out really doesn't understand basketball or how that entire play unfolded.
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And they can't count either.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:41 PM
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Absolutely brutal end game by the refs. We were lucky that at the end of OT we were making the FTs that we were missing at the end of the first half. I remember a lane violation called in the NCAAs a year or two ago that drastically changed a game at a similar point. Was that UNCA and Syracuse? Anyway, I still can't believe they called that foul on Rich, so awful. ADS95 wrote: If there is video of this, I'd love to see it.
Between this, the Howell foul from in front of his defender, the four step non-walk, and the Lewis non-called goaltend...about all I can say is at least we weren't called for many ticky tack fouls. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:44 PM
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SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Anyone who answered block out really doesn't understand basketball or how that entire play unfolded. No kidding |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:44 PM
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Richard was too far under hoop. What's so hard to understand?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:47 PM
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SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Anyone who answered block out really doesn't understand basketball or how that entire play unfolded. +1,000,000,000 LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL-THE CAROLINA WAY!!!!!! |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:48 PM
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This could be achieved with a lane violation. Just keep stepping in the lane early. They are given another shot until they make it.
I don't think they can give you a technical foul for this. Probably the refs would just chose not to call it after a while.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 7:49 PM
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Head on over to the ACC network. They have the tip-in as a "must see" moment. lol. It is one thing to miss the call - but then the conference shows it off? I would think the proper response would be to pretend it didn't happen - kinda like UNC-CHeats' rampant cheating.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 8:06 PM
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Listen. If you play like the winner, make shots, defend, and rebound, it resonates in the minds of the refs. You are the superior team in the minds of the refs. But.......When you BS around and struggle to finish, guard no one, and let nobodys play you even, you won't be getting calls.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 8:21 PM
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Listen. If you play like the winner, make shots, defend, and rebound, it resonates in the minds of the refs. You are the superior team in the minds of the refs. But.......When you BS around and struggle to finish, guard no one, and let nobodys play you even, you won't be getting calls.
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So it's ok for the refs to be biased?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 8:35 PM
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So you commit a lane violation. They get ANOTHER free throw. But who cares, because they're trying to miss it anyway, so it doesn't matter. I think this could actually work -- come running in, goaltend the free throw while committing a lane violation. They would have to count the point, would they not?
And now YOU get to inbound the ball.
This could actually be a stroke of genius, but it would probably only work for a season. I suspect there would be a rule change during the offseason to account for goaltending an intentional miss. Or maybe not... ?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 8:36 PM
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hunwolf wrote:
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Listen. If you play like the winner, make shots, defend, and rebound, it resonates in the minds of the refs. You are the superior team in the minds of the refs. But.......When you BS around and struggle to finish, guard no one, and let nobodys play you even, you won't be getting calls.
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So it's ok for the refs to be biased? No. I think it is human nature to assume that the weaker team (given their play) is struggling to make things happen. More inclined to commit a foul. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 8:51 PM
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You can't blame Warren. He went to the front of the rim to help with the shooter.
Only thing I would have like to have seen differently is that Brown would went too.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 8:51 PM
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oldschoolkid wrote: so that's why we didn't foul against MD. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:01 PM
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Sire - I agree with your general comment. Like when we ran UNC out of the gym, we got the benefit of aggression on some calls. Same with the way we played Duke
Tonight, there was another team on the floor and they played hard and present some interesting problems. We need to get better to advance far, but we did not play weak.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:08 PM
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TruthBKnownReturns wrote: So you commit a lane violation. They get ANOTHER free throw. But who cares, because they're trying to miss it anyway, so it doesn't matter. I think this could actually work -- come running in, goaltend the free throw while committing a lane violation. They would have to count the point, would they not?
And now YOU get to inbound the ball.
This could actually be a stroke of genius, but it would probably only work for a season. I suspect there would be a rule change during the offseason to account for goaltending an intentional miss. Or maybe not... ? wow,,,,,  please learn the rules....a lane violation comitted by the shooting team on the second shot would result in a turnover to the other team ,,,,,,not another shot LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL-THE CAROLINA WAY!!!!!! |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:09 PM
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Live has nailed it, play defense and blockout. LiveWolvesinUnitards wrote: Block out as if you used fundamental basketball techniques. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:10 PM
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He's talking about a lane violation by the other team, the one not shooting. An intentional goal tend.
Come on man.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:12 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- jelly wrote: Live has nailed it, play defense and blockout. LiveWolvesinUnitards wrote: Block out as if you used fundamental basketball techniques. --------------------------------------------- You guys need to go back and try some fundamental counting. Use your fingers if you have to. Hint: if one team has a player enter the rebounding area 2 seconds early and the other team does not which team may have more players in the rebounding area. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:28 PM
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We're talking about an intentional lane violation -- which would result in another shot or an automatic point. This would have prevented an intentional miss and layup.
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