Roberson23 wrote: Possibly the worst call ever. Seriously.

Nope.  Not even close.  Jeff Jones mug of Whittenburg & jump ball call in 1982 in Reynolds way worse than that one.

Some of you forgot the Corchiani "travel" in the sweet 16.

I am so glad there is video of this crap! Does any of this stuff get sent to the league office? Why aren't the officials graded based on their performance? If they continually show the inability to make proper calls, they should br weeded out of the game. I am certain there are many, many more out there who are capable than what we see in the two videos on this thread. This is an affront to the game. I have seen much better officiating at the high school level, he'll, at the the level of Upward Basketball. Why are they allowed to continue to make a mockery of the rules of the game? To change the outcome of games? Someone needs to send these clowns packing!

I can see missing the first step on the travel, but the three afterward? And the Howell over the back call? Disgraceful......

Ugh. I was so pissed. Mugged by Georgetown.

hunwolf wrote: Some of you forgot the Corchiani "travel" in the sweet 16.

OwenDorm83 wrote:

Roberson23 wrote: Possibly the worst call ever. Seriously.

Nope.  Not even close.  Jeff Jones mug of Whittenburg & jump ball call in 1982 in Reynolds way worse than that one.

Yep, V never let that one go.

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Posted: Yesterday 10:16 PM

Re: Hey NShe State fans 

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Pack fan here. There are some ripping the refs (idiots, IMO), but there are others (like myself) calling them out given the FT differential, and the cold hard facts that we played terrible. Imagine, letting VT take you to OT on your home floor. Even though you clearly out-talent them. No excuses!!

The media will think twice about given NCSU a top 20 preseason ranking (in any sport!) I know I would.

What a ******...

What kind of real NCSU fan would post that BS over at that hole?

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Posted: Yesterday 10:16 PM

Re: Hey NShe State fans 

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Pack fan here. There are some ripping the refs (idiots, IMO), but there are others (like myself) calling them out given the FT differential, and the cold hard facts that we played terrible. Imagine, letting VT take you to OT on your home floor. Even though you clearly out-talent them. No excuses!!

The media will think twice about given NCSU a top 20 preseason ranking (in any sport!) I know I would.

What a ******...

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I personally think that some refs have an obvious bias against State.  Karl Hess, for one.  

If you can see this, then why do you so vehemently argue on behalf of officials who wrote his dumb-arse initials on their shoes during the ACC tournament last year?  You don't see the display of bias in that scenario?

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/03/09/1917254/col leagues-pay-homage-to-absent.html

This is something I'd like Engineer to answer as well.  Oh sure he likes to hop on here and throw barbs at those complaining about officiating, even in the face of an obvious full-re **** performance by them, yet he somehow forgets that there's been a clear display of bias on their part that's been captured by the mainstream media as recent as last year.

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Posted: Yesterday 10:16 PM

Re: Hey NShe State fans 

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Pack fan here. There are some ripping the refs (idiots, IMO), but there are others (like myself) calling them out given the FT differential, and the cold hard facts that we played terrible. Imagine, letting VT take you to OT on your home floor. Even though you clearly out-talent them. No excuses!!

The media will think twice about given NCSU a top 20 preseason ranking (in any sport!) I know I would.

Good catch pskunk.

ArmandJ wrote:

Corruption in the ACC most likely does not exist.  I personally don't see corruption, and I have a feeling many State fans don't see it either. 

I'll agree with that.  I don't think they're corrupt.  But they're sure as hell incompetent.

Serious question. If the officiating in other ACC games this egregious? I really don't watch may other non-NCSU games.

Is the officiating in the SEC/B1G/B12 this bad?

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Posted: Yesterday 10:16 PM

Re: Hey NShe State fans 

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Pack fan here. There are some ripping the refs (idiots, IMO), but there are others (like myself) calling them out given the FT differential, and the cold hard facts that we played terrible. Imagine, letting VT take you to OT on your home floor. Even though you clearly out-talent them. No excuses!!

The media will think twice about given NCSU a top 20 preseason ranking (in any sport!) I know I would.

Good catch pskunk.

Why would someone do that, lol? What a pathetic human being.

A sheep in wolves clothing, or would he still be a wolf in sheeps clothing? Anyhow, must be a miserable life to need attention so much that you are the wolf suck-up boy to a board full of a bunch a Wal-Mart UNC fans in the first place. So Mods, is this cat fair game if he comes back?

PackDynasty wrote:

ArmandJ wrote:

 

I personally think that some refs have an obvious bias against State.  Karl Hess, for one.  

If you can see this, then why do you so vehemently argue on behalf of officials who wrote his dumb-arse initials on their shoes during the ACC tournament last year?  You don't see the display of bias in that scenario?

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/03/09/1917254/col leagues-pay-homage-to-absent.html

This is something I'd like Engineer to answer as well.  Oh sure he likes to hop on here and throw barbs at those complaining about officiating, even in the face of an obvious full-re **** performance by them, yet he somehow forgets that there's been a clear display of bias on their part that's been captured by the mainstream media as recent as last year.

Don't know what you're talking about- and I think that makes two of us at least- me and you.  People complain about the officiating after every single game-- and they point to something that THEY saw, from their seats, or something shown on TV as evidence.  Well, I looked at the "conclusive" Howell video, and I don't see it as proving anything.  You can't tell how hard Howell was pushed, if he was.  And you certainly can't tell where the refs were, or what it looked like from their viewpoint.  They watch the game in real time, without replay or slo-mo, and they can only call things they happen to see.  Are some refs better/worse than others?  Sure, just like some of us manage to make logical and factual posts, and others don't.  People insist on pointing the finger at "ACC refs" when in fact the refs are trained and certified by the NCAA- not the ACC- and there is not a single ref who only officiates for ACC games- not one.  What seems to be a clear display of bias from someone who is intent on being a victim might look very different to someone who is looking at things from a more balanced viewpoint.

Engineer65 wrote:

PackDynasty wrote:

ArmandJ wrote:

 

I personally think that some refs have an obvious bias against State.  Karl Hess, for one.  

If you can see this, then why do you so vehemently argue on behalf of officials who wrote his dumb-arse initials on their shoes during the ACC tournament last year?  You don't see the display of bias in that scenario?

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/03/09/1917254/col leagues-pay-homage-to-absent.html

This is something I'd like Engineer to answer as well.  Oh sure he likes to hop on here and throw barbs at those complaining about officiating, even in the face of an obvious full-re **** performance by them, yet he somehow forgets that there's been a clear display of bias on their part that's been captured by the mainstream media as recent as last year.

Don't know what you're talking about- and I think that makes two of us at least- me and you.  People complain about the officiating after every single game-- and they point to something that THEY saw, from their seats, or something shown on TV as evidence.  Well, I looked at the "conclusive" Howell video, and I don't see it as proving anything.  You can't tell how hard Howell was pushed, if he was.  And you certainly can't tell where the refs were, or what it looked like from their viewpoint.  They watch the game in real time, without replay or slo-mo, and they can only call things they happen to see.  Are some refs better/worse than others?  Sure, just like some of us manage to make logical and factual posts, and others don't.  People insist on pointing the finger at "ACC refs" when in fact the refs are trained and certified by the NCAA- not the ACC- and there is not a single ref who only officiates for ACC games- not one.  What seems to be a clear display of bias from someone who is intent on being a victim might look very different to someone who is looking at things from a more balanced viewpoint.

....and you do realize that no one puts any intellectual weight to your repetitive babble.

Engineer65 wrote:

PackDynasty wrote:

ArmandJ wrote:

 

I personally think that some refs have an obvious bias against State.  Karl Hess, for one.  

If you can see this, then why do you so vehemently argue on behalf of officials who wrote his dumb-arse initials on their shoes during the ACC tournament last year?  You don't see the display of bias in that scenario?

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/03/09/1917254/col leagues-pay-homage-to-absent.html

This is something I'd like Engineer to answer as well.  Oh sure he likes to hop on here and throw barbs at those complaining about officiating, even in the face of an obvious full-re **** performance by them, yet he somehow forgets that there's been a clear display of bias on their part that's been captured by the mainstream media as recent as last year.

Don't know what you're talking about- and I think that makes two of us at least- me and you.  People complain about the officiating after every single game-- and they point to something that THEY saw, from their seats, or something shown on TV as evidence.  Well, I looked at the "conclusive" Howell video, and I don't see it as proving anything.  You can't tell how hard Howell was pushed, if he was.  And you certainly can't tell where the refs were, or what it looked like from their viewpoint.  They watch the game in real time, without replay or slo-mo, and they can only call things they happen to see.  Are some refs better/worse than others?  Sure, just like some of us manage to make logical and factual posts, and others don't.  People insist on pointing the finger at "ACC refs" when in fact the refs are trained and certified by the NCAA- not the ACC- and there is not a single ref who only officiates for ACC games- not one.  What seems to be a clear display of bias from someone who is intent on being a victim might look very different to someone who is looking at things from a more balanced viewpoint.

Another classic.

Look at the fouls against NCSU in Cameron.  Duke lights it up from 3, NCSU is an inside team.  Duke shoots almost twice the FTs as NCSU.  That's something to watch.

The FT discrepancy for this game was something to watch, but NCSU is going to go to the line more often than most teams due to the inside shooting.

goturbackpack66 wrote: Several things to think about when looking at the FT discrepancy. State 43 attempts, VT 7. First, total fouls is a lot more relevant. VT 28, State 12.  2nd, State is a lot more of an inside team, and to be honest, our bigs were getting mugged. I don't always defend Calvin for obvious reasons, but he was getting mugged. Plain and simple. Meanwhile VT was relying pretty heavily on 3s, and really don't have much of an inside presence. They did outrebound us though, barely. The 3rd thing, which one poster pointed out. VT was intentionally fouling us at the end of regulation, and in overtime, which also led to the large FT discrepancy.

Does this idiot jrauman not understand that VT took SMUNC into OT in the nose dome?

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Posted: Yesterday 10:16 PM

Re: Hey NShe State fans 

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Pack fan here. There are some ripping the refs (idiots, IMO), but there are others (like myself) calling them out given the FT differential, and the cold hard facts that we played terrible. Imagine, letting VT take you to OT on your home floor. Even though you clearly out-talent them. No excuses!!

The media will think twice about given NCSU a top 20 preseason ranking (in any sport!) I know I would.

Good catch pskunk.

Engineer65 wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote:

Don't know what you're talking about- and I think that makes two of us at least- me and you.  People complain about the officiating after every single game-- and they point to something that THEY saw, from their seats, or something shown on TV as evidence.  Well, I looked at the "conclusive" Howell video, and I don't see it as proving anything.  You can't tell how hard Howell was pushed, if he was.  And you certainly can't tell where the refs were, or what it looked like from their viewpoint.  They watch the game in real time, without replay or slo-mo, and they can only call things they happen to see.  Are some refs better/worse than others?  Sure, just like some of us manage to make logical and factual posts, and others don't.  People insist on pointing the finger at "ACC refs" when in fact the refs are trained and certified by the NCAA- not the ACC- and there is not a single ref who only officiates for ACC games- not one.  What seems to be a clear display of bias from someone who is intent on being a victim might look very different to someone who is looking at things from a more balanced viewpoint.

....and you do realize that no one puts any intellectual weight to your repetitive babble.

WolfDac- I'm surprised you can spell intellectual.  But as to weight- I'm guessing you can't put much intellectual weight on anything.  If you could, you might offer up some facts to support your opinions.

Why?  You haven't offered any.

Did Karl Hess toss two NC State legends out of a ballgame?  Yes or no?

And did Karl Hess' colleagues write his initials on their shoes in support of him in the ACC tournament last year?  Yes or no?

Are you, as an engineer, able to process, in that analytical part of your brain, a possible connection here?  Yes or no?

^E65, you must be, or have been, a ref?

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CowboyPack wrote: ^E65, you must be, or have been, a ref?

Had to be.  He's the only human being on planet earth who has defended the Howell foul call.

In my 30 years of watching basketball I have never seen the guy who had the clear block-out get called for the foul when the other guy was reaching over him.

Engineer65 wrote:

PackDynasty wrote:

ArmandJ wrote:

 

I personally think that some refs have an obvious bias against State.  Karl Hess, for one.  

If you can see this, then why do you so vehemently argue on behalf of officials who wrote his dumb-arse initials on their shoes during the ACC tournament last year?  You don't see the display of bias in that scenario?

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/03/09/1917254/col leagues-pay-homage-to-absent.html

This is something I'd like Engineer to answer as well.  Oh sure he likes to hop on here and throw barbs at those complaining about officiating, even in the face of an obvious full-re **** performance by them, yet he somehow forgets that there's been a clear display of bias on their part that's been captured by the mainstream media as recent as last year.

Don't know what you're talking about- and I think that makes two of us at least- me and you.  People complain about the officiating after every single game-- and they point to something that THEY saw, from their seats, or something shown on TV as evidence.  Well, I looked at the "conclusive" Howell video, and I don't see it as proving anything.  You can't tell how hard Howell was pushed, if he was.  And you certainly can't tell where the refs were, or what it looked like from their viewpoint.  They watch the game in real time, without replay or slo-mo, and they can only call things they happen to see.  Are some refs better/worse than others?  Sure, just like some of us manage to make logical and factual posts, and others don't.  People insist on pointing the finger at "ACC refs" when in fact the refs are trained and certified by the NCAA- not the ACC- and there is not a single ref who only officiates for ACC games- not one.  What seems to be a clear display of bias from someone who is intent on being a victim might look very different to someone who is looking at things from a more balanced viewpoint.

Why do you feel the need to defend the refs or specific calls if you don't know anything about it? Or why do you think it's up to you to explain to posters what they saw or think they saw?

Instead of "ACC refs" would it it help if they were referred to as "refs who officiate ACC games"?

What if someone there had a better vantage point than the refs for that play and thought it was a bad call. Then they came home and saw the video confirming what they saw from a different angle. Do you really think they shouldn't have an opinion about the officiating?

What if you saw a series of those calls in one game?

What if at the start of the game you see Mike Eades standing on the court and tell your buddy that you hate to see him calling a State game because he's just a poor official? 

He then proceeds to call a poor game.

On Brown's 3 pointer Eades was farther away from the call than the other official. I don't know if his foot was on the line or not but I knew when Eades called the other official to the monitor that unless there was indisputable evidence that it was a 3 then Eades would get his override.

Refs study the "tendencies" of the players, fans study tendencies of players, coaches and the officials. Some are worse than others. Eades followed his tendencies Saturday. He tends to blow calls and unfortunately it's hard to predict when someone might invent an "under the back" penalty.

I don't know about bias. I don't assign motive. There are just some really poor officials out there and the ACC needs to do something. If the pool is indeed the entire NCAA like you say then I would suggest they get a wider rotation and have a ref work a specific team as few times in a season as possible.

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Posted: Yesterday 10:16 PM

Re: Hey NShe State fans 

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Pack fan here. There are some ripping the refs (idiots, IMO), but there are others (like myself) calling them out given the FT differential, and the cold hard facts that we played terrible. Imagine, letting VT take you to OT on your home floor. Even though you clearly out-talent them. No excuses!!

The media will think twice about given NCSU a top 20 preseason ranking (in any sport!) I know I would.

Jesus Christ.

Since I know jrauman is reading this board; **** you, you **** sucking inbreeding **** stain.

Engineer65 wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote:

Don't know what you're talking about- and I think that makes two of us at least- me and you.  People complain about the officiating after every single game-- and they point to something that THEY saw, from their seats, or something shown on TV as evidence.  Well, I looked at the "conclusive" Howell video, and I don't see it as proving anything.  You can't tell how hard Howell was pushed, if he was.  And you certainly can't tell where the refs were, or what it looked like from their viewpoint.  They watch the game in real time, without replay or slo-mo, and they can only call things they happen to see.  Are some refs better/worse than others?  Sure, just like some of us manage to make logical and factual posts, and others don't.  People insist on pointing the finger at "ACC refs" when in fact the refs are trained and certified by the NCAA- not the ACC- and there is not a single ref who only officiates for ACC games- not one.  What seems to be a clear display of bias from someone who is intent on being a victim might look very different to someone who is looking at things from a more balanced viewpoint.

....and you do realize that no one puts any intellectual weight to your repetitive babble.

WolfDac- I'm surprised you can spell intellectual.  But as to weight- I'm guessing you can't put much intellectual weight on anything.  If you could, you might offer up some facts to support your opinions.

OK, light bulb, just yesterday.....didn't realize a player could take six steps and it not be a travel, also I thought 3 "refs" would know a blatant free throw violation. Never seen a "ref" toss two former players and then be banned from officiating said teams games. In closing, I thought a "ref" should "ref" said game and not go into said game with his "tendecies" check list.  Never heard of a "ref" telling a coach to ****, while officiating a tournament where the "ref's" were told to take the initials off their collective shoes in honor of aforementioned "ref".

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Posted: Yesterday 10:16 PM

Re: Hey NShe State fans 

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Pack fan here. There are some ripping the refs (idiots, IMO), but there are others (like myself) calling them out given the FT differential, and the cold hard facts that we played terrible. Imagine, letting VT take you to OT on your home floor. Even though you clearly out-talent them. No excuses!!

The media will think twice about given NCSU a top 20 preseason ranking (in any sport!) I know I would.

Jesus Christ.

Since I know jrauman is reading this board; **** you, you **** sucking inbreeding **** stain.

He's All-ACC on IC but a noob here. He posted on PP just yesterday. I think PB or one of the other mods should give him a special title. Like "IC Scrotum" or something like that.

Here we go.  Next game I think NCSU should run that free throw play exactly as done and get a called on it.  The refs will be put into a position to either call the play or let Leslie jam one.

It's not biased until they only call that play one way.  We haven't tried it yet!

WOLFDAC wrote:

....and you do realize that no one puts any intellectual weight to your repetitive babble.

WolfDac- I'm surprised you can spell intellectual.  But as to weight- I'm guessing you can't put much intellectual weight on anything.  If you could, you might offer up some facts to support your opinions.

OK, light bulb, just yesterday.....didn't realize a player could take six steps and it not be a travel, also I thought 3 "refs" would know a blatant free throw violation. Never seen a "ref" toss two former players and then be banned from officiating said teams games. In closing, I thought a "ref" should "ref" said game and not go into said game with his "tendecies" check list.  Never heard of a "ref" telling a coach to ****, while officiating a tournament where the "ref's" were told to take the initials off their collective shoes in honor of aforementioned "ref".

Is there a fact in all that jumbled mess that supports your point?  You thought you saw a player take six steps- maybe you just don't know what traveling is?  I mentioned that some officials are better/worse than others, and Hess in clearly not one of the better ones.  So what's the point there?  I don't know what you do for a living- but most of have to prepare for our jobs.  Studying game films to see who does what and where is part of the game plan for the officials, just as it is for the coaches and the players.  But nowhere does any of that show "bias", and nowhere does it show that refs are "ACC refs".  In a style many of us have seen before, you are bringing up side issues to avoid trying to defend a position that can't be defended.

yup, he's a ref

TauWolf wrote: Look at the fouls against NCSU in Cameron.  Duke lights it up from 3, NCSU is an inside team.  Duke shoots almost twice the FTs as NCSU.  That's something to watch.

The FT discrepancy for this game was something to watch, but NCSU is going to go to the line more often than most teams due to the inside shooting.

goturbackpack66 wrote: Several things to think about when looking at the FT discrepancy. State 43 attempts, VT 7. First, total fouls is a lot more relevant. VT 28, State 12.  2nd, State is a lot more of an inside team, and to be honest, our bigs were getting mugged. I don't always defend Calvin for obvious reasons, but he was getting mugged. Plain and simple. Meanwhile VT was relying pretty heavily on 3s, and really don't have much of an inside presence. They did outrebound us though, barely. The 3rd thing, which one poster pointed out. VT was intentionally fouling us at the end of regulation, and in overtime, which also led to the large FT discrepancy.

Yep. No way an outside jump shooting team should be getting more foul shots than a team that drives it inside over and over.

Engineer65 wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote:

....and you do realize that no one puts any intellectual weight to your repetitive babble.

WolfDac- I'm surprised you can spell intellectual.  But as to weight- I'm guessing you can't put much intellectual weight on anything.  If you could, you might offer up some facts to support your opinions.

OK, light bulb, just yesterday.....didn't realize a player could take six steps and it not be a travel, also I thought 3 "refs" would know a blatant free throw violation. Never seen a "ref" toss two former players and then be banned from officiating said teams games. In closing, I thought a "ref" should "ref" said game and not go into said game with his "tendecies" check list.  Never heard of a "ref" telling a coach to ****, while officiating a tournament where the "ref's" were told to take the initials off their collective shoes in honor of aforementioned "ref".

Is there a fact in all that jumbled mess that supports your point?  You thought you saw a player take six steps- maybe you just don't know what traveling is?  I mentioned that some officials are better/worse than others, and Hess in clearly not one of the better ones.  So what's the point there?  I don't know what you do for a living- but most of have to prepare for our jobs.  Studying game films to see who does what and where is part of the game plan for the officials, just as it is for the coaches and the players.  But nowhere does any of that show "bias", and nowhere does it show that refs are "ACC refs".  In a style many of us have seen before, you are bringing up side issues to avoid trying to defend a position that can't be defended.

Pot meet Kettle.....Kettle meet Pot. However, continue on Fluff Master because in your own way, your very amusing. It's OK though, every MB needs their very own Tower of Babble, and you sir fit that job description to a tee. Congrats and do carry on, as the chuckles are priceless.

"thought you saw a player take six steps"

That's rich, he had both hands on the ball and continued running to the basket where he made a layup

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83grad wrote: "thought you saw a player take six steps"

That's rich, he had both hands on the ball and continued running to the basket where he made a layup

You have to figure he giggled when he wrote that.

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You can't have biased against a team that shot 43 free throws to the other teams 7.

Sure you can. We should have shot 50. I watched the game on DVR (missed most of it live), and every one of the fouls called were correct.  They just fouled us a lot in the act of shooting.  Many of our fouls on them were not.

People need to realize that the NUMBER of free throws alone matters not.  Name a foul that was incorrect.  I know of several that were not called that should have been.

Those of you that think the refs mean no harm against NC State........ why is it State never benefits from an egregiously horrible call?

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ncstate00 wrote:

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As long as the swoff is in power....deal with it. The refs will always be biased for the cheats and against the Pack. And he will remain silent on the whole cesspool in chapel hill.

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You can't have biased against a team that shot 43 free throws to the other teams 7.

Sure you can. We should have shot 50. I watched the game on DVR (missed most of it live), and every one of the fouls called were correct.  They just fouled us a lot in the act of shooting.  Many of our fouls on them were not.

People need to realize that the NUMBER of free throws alone matters not.  Name a foul that was incorrect.  I know of several that were not called that should have been.

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The argument can be made for both teams. With VPI putting up 80 shots and only one player going to the free throw line I think they have a pretty good argument too.

there are missed calls, judgement calls, etc.  those two plays were egregious.  no way anyone could look at them and say anything other than "totally blown call".  hopefully it'll keep these guys out of reffing the ACC tournament.

TruthBKnownReturns wrote: Those of you that think the refs mean no harm against NC State........ why is it State never benefits from an egregiously horrible call?

Because you have a limited memory that blocks those out.

CC Harrison got away with a lane violation on a missed FT to tie a game at Clemson.

Someone (might have been CC again) got credited with a 3 to beat a Tim Duncan WF team even though he had a foot on the line.

There are plenty of others.  We just don't remember them as well as ones when we are the victim.

(Not saying NC State benefits more than others or anything - only that we do get the benefit sometimes.)