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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:15 PM
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It was over the back all the way. Dumb freaking refs |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:16 PM
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WaffleIron wrote:
ScoobyWolf wrote:
WaffleIron wrote: Where's the youtube of Green's walk? Pretty sure he took 4-5 steps from half court to the hoop and still missed it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0jg2t-8tQI
LOL, ball dont lie. 6 freaking steps in the open court in front of god and errybody. Got to love ACC officiating! Holy sheetz! He didn't dribble once from half court!!!
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:20 PM
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This was a terrible call, but if I ever have to hear another State game called my Fran Fraschilla I may blow my brains out
I have a history of taking off my shirt
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:23 PM
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WaffleIron wrote:Worst officiated game ive seen this year. Leslie was hammered on the play before the technical by two different hokies, he also got shoved on the break in the back down to the floor a few minutes later. ESPN guy said lane violation was blatant. Tyler Lewis obvious goal tending not called. Howell with the ridic phantom over the back call. Eric Green taking 6 steps to the basket in front of everybody. Not to mention the craziest one to me was reversing a Zo Brown three to a two with absolutely no evidence to do so. I just wonder how these guys are graded by CLougherty and Swofford? We are the only team in the history of the ACC that gets zero benefit of a homecourt. We dont get 50/50 calls. Hell we dont get 80/20 calls. Its sad that I cant wait to get to the NCAA tournament so I can watch a game thats officiated well. Nice summary. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:27 PM
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maliciouself wrote: Did they change the call? I thought we ended up with the ball. they turned it over on the inbound play back court violation I believe it was...they were showing the replay when it happened so it wasn't seen
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:28 PM
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mpaPack wrote: This was a terrible call, but if I ever have to hear another State game called my Fran Fraschilla I may blow my brains out I liked Fraschilla before this game, he was very complimentary of us last year. But this game  I honestly think they were told not to contradict the refs no matter how bad the call. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:31 PM
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"it's a school issue, not basketball"
"they did the work that was asked of them"
- Roy Williams
Last edited 2/16/2013 5:33 PM by wolfchicEE
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:32 PM
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JNWolf wrote:
mpaPack wrote: This was a terrible call, but if I ever have to hear another State game called my Fran Fraschilla I may blow my brains out I liked Fraschilla before this game, he was very complimentary of us last year. But this game I honestly think they were told not to contradict the refs no matter how bad the call. Its an unwritten rule for announcers to not be critical of officials. These guys are friends. They are both on the court pre-game and chat it up, etc. The only guy whom ever honestly calls out officials is Bilas. "It just keeps coming and coming," Mitchel said. "I wonder who is minding the store."
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:33 PM
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I totally agree that they missed the foul call on Howell and the non-walk on Green, but maybe it would be good for us to recount calls that we got away with. Just to balance it out. to keep us from going postal. Surely some calls do go in our favor.
Anybody remember any that went our way today?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:34 PM
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WaffleIron wrote:
JNWolf wrote:
mpaPack wrote: This was a terrible call, but if I ever have to hear another State game called my Fran Fraschilla I may blow my brains out I liked Fraschilla before this game, he was very complimentary of us last year. But this game I honestly think they were told not to contradict the refs no matter how bad the call.
Its an unwritten rule for announcers to not be critical of officials. These guys are friends. They are both on the court pre-game and chat it up, etc. The only guy whom ever honestly calls out officials is Bilas. I believe Fraschilla was the one calling out the refs for the non-call charge on Marshall in the ACC tourney. He got into it with Phelps about it. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:35 PM
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PackIsBack2002 wrote: Those top notch ESPN 2 announcers cracked me up on that goal tending call. Apparently their job is to agree with the almighty ACC refs no matter what they do. Funny stuff.
Question: If a ball hits the backboard, NO MATTER WHAT, if you smack that it is goal tending, no? That's Fran Fraschilla for you. He also had the ******* audacity to agree with them on the Howell foul. nobogeyz wrote:
...if you think Glennon has the leadership abilities of a can't miss first round QB prospect so many are trying to make him out to be I have to wonder who you've been watching at QB for us for the past 2 years.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:35 PM
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packnplay wrote: I totally agree that they missed the foul call on Howell and the non-walk on Green, but maybe it would be good for us to recount calls that we got away with. Just to balance it out. to keep us from going postal. Surely some calls do go in our favor.
Anybody remember any that went our way today? I agree, but.... you HAVE to call someone not taking a dribble from half court to get a layup. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:36 PM
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There are only 2 options for the refs:
1. Blatantly incompetent
2. Blatantly cheating
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:36 PM
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doesn't matter how many FTs we get, we will continue to miss them with regularity.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:37 PM
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librarywolf wrote: 43-7 against the last place team in our house and barely win in OT!! Guts this is on Gitt and his NBA wanta be Leslie.Not the refs Howell call bad but there is something wrong with this team. Been hearing rumors for a month in locker room . Can you translate? nobogeyz wrote:
...if you think Glennon has the leadership abilities of a can't miss first round QB prospect so many are trying to make him out to be I have to wonder who you've been watching at QB for us for the past 2 years. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:37 PM
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If you saw the guy in black right behind the student band holding up double middle fingers it was me.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:38 PM
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packnplay wrote: I totally agree that they missed the foul call on Howell and the non-walk on Green, but maybe it would be good for us to recount calls that we got away with. Just to balance it out. to keep us from going postal. Surely some calls do go in our favor.
Anybody remember any that went our way today? There were a couple that did go our way. I did think the bad calls going VT's way were more numerous though and way more blatant. Overall a horribly officiated game.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:39 PM
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This bias against Howell by refs is way out of hand. They're anticipating instead of watching what happens with him. And it's BS.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:39 PM
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:39 PM
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PackIsBack2002 wrote: Those top notch ESPN 2 announcers cracked me up on that goal tending call. Apparently their job is to agree with the almighty ACC refs no matter what they do. Funny stuff.
Question: If a ball hits the backboard, NO MATTER WHAT, if you smack that it is goal tending, no? Art. 3. When the entire ball is above the level of the ring during a field-goal try and contacts the backboard, it is considered to be on its downward flight. In such a case, it is goaltending when the ball is touched by a player. I don't think it the entire ball was above the rim.
drink beer straight from the bottle...brilliant!
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:40 PM
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packnplay wrote: I totally agree that they missed the foul call on Howell and the non-walk on Green, but maybe it would be good for us to recount calls that we got away with. Just to balance it out. to keep us from going postal. Surely some calls do go in our favor.
Anybody remember any that went our way today? Leslie travels most of the time when he touches the ball...the refs call half of them. But there not always obvious. But to call that foul on Howell is about as bad as I've ever seen...you have to be an idiot to make that call.....or to miss Green not dribbling after crossing mid court and making it all the way to the rim....there are various degrees of bad calls...some where you can give the refs the benefit of the doubt...those two make you think the refs were either high or getting paid. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:40 PM
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wolfchicEE wrote: amazing videos. proof in the pudding.
Howell foul, lol :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UPD_Xj0HDg
Green's six step travel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0jg2t-8tQI The Green video does not begin soon enough. When he gets the ball, he dribbles it one time with his right hand , then he CATCHES it with his left hand ( palm completely pointing up ), all the while he is taking multiple steps, then he actually does dribble the ball one time and then it is time to cross mid-court and ... well you see it from there. It is all being watched by the ACC official. Oh, I mean an NCAA official.
The color is still CHEATER BLUE in honor of Davis, Baddour, Thorp, the uncch BOT, Nyang'oro, Ross & unc BOG, and Martin - Who will clean up uncch* Will it be SACS ?- To seem, rather than to be.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:42 PM
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It's one thing to say incompetence....but those videos are absolutely ridiculous.
Who can miss those calls?
Seriously. Those are not bang bang plays.
Those should be pretty easy to get right.
SIX STEPS? Seriously, SIX steps missed? Who could miss that?
"it's a school issue, not basketball"
"they did the work that was asked of them"
- Roy Williams
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:44 PM
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One bad call, I noticed, actually favored us. It was near the end of regulation and the ball was inbounded to brown who took a couple steps before he even started dribbling. Now nobody was near him so the refs probably thought it was no big deal but it was definitely a travel.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:45 PM
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ScottyGPackfan wrote: One bad call, I noticed, actually favored us. It was near the end of regulation and the ball was inbounded to brown who took a couple steps before he even started dribbling. Now nobody was near him so the refs probably thought it was no big deal but it was definitely a travel. Granted refs miss things. They may miss a step or two. It happens. Sometimes helps us. Sometimes hurts us. But how can you excuse missing SIX steps? If that isn't an indicment of how HORRIBLE the reffing profession has become, I don't know what is.
"it's a school issue, not basketball"
"they did the work that was asked of them"
- Roy Williams
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:46 PM
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pitpackman wrote:
librarywolf wrote: 43-7 against the last place team in our house and barely win in OT!! Guts this is on Gitt and his NBA wanta be Leslie.Not the refs Howell call bad but there is something wrong with this team. Been hearing rumors for a month in locker room .
Can you translate? obviously librarywolf needs more time in the library. his last 10 posts are all very negative. if he knows something spill it. otherwise he needs to ****. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:47 PM
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Giving Green the benefit of the doubt he took 5 steps. LOL
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:49 PM
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maliciouself wrote: Did they change the call? I thought we ended up with the ball. We ended up with the ball because VT committed an over-and-back violation (IIRC). I was so irritated I wasn't watching it closely, I just heard the announcers saying VT gave it right back. But Howell SHOULD have been shooting free throws, so even giving it back did not make up for that horrendous call. It really was one of the worst-ever calls I think I've ever seen. Usually the poor officiating is when they call something against State, but let the same contact go when our opponent does something identical. But THIS... I've never seen anything like that.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:50 PM
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stater wrote:
pitpackman wrote:
librarywolf wrote: 43-7 against the last place team in our house and barely win in OT!! Guts this is on Gitt and his NBA wanta be Leslie.Not the refs Howell call bad but there is something wrong with this team. Been hearing rumors for a month in locker room .
Can you translate? obviously librarywolf needs more time in the library.
his last 10 posts are all very negative. if he knows something spill it. otherwise he needs to ****. I just didn't understand it, forget about it being negative. nobogeyz wrote:
...if you think Glennon has the leadership abilities of a can't miss first round QB prospect so many are trying to make him out to be I have to wonder who you've been watching at QB for us for the past 2 years. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:51 PM
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We should just rush the court and kick the **** out of these F.. acc refs.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:51 PM
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TruthBKnownReturns wrote:
maliciouself wrote: Did they change the call? I thought we ended up with the ball. We ended up with the ball because VT committed an over-and-back violation (IIRC). I was so irritated I wasn't watching it closely, I just heard the announcers saying VT gave it right back. But Howell SHOULD have been shooting free throws, so even giving it back did not make up for that horrendous call.
It really was one of the worst-ever calls I think I've ever seen. Usually the poor officiating is when they call something against State, but let the same contact go when our opponent does something identical. But THIS... I've never seen anything like that. You didn't see it because they didn't show the over and back. The camera crew was busy showing multiple angles of that ridiculous call against Howell. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:52 PM
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CanadianWolf wrote: Here is a better capture of the play: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=youtu.be Hate to say it, but that was a foul on Howell. Look on the replay at his right hand, at :26 in - it hits Zegeren's wrist pretty good, while Zegeren has the ball with both hands. The contact pulls the Zegeren's arm down, which makes it look like an over-the-back. Zegeren did come down on Howell's back, but the foul was before that. Good call by the official IMO. It was tough to see from the stands and from the TV, which is why everyone complained - but I think it was a good call.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:52 PM
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stater wrote:
pitpackman wrote:
librarywolf wrote: 43-7 against the last place team in our house and barely win in OT!! Guts this is on Gitt and his NBA wanta be Leslie.Not the refs Howell call bad but there is something wrong with this team. Been hearing rumors for a month in locker room .
Can you translate? obviously librarywolf needs more time in the library.
his last 10 posts are all very negative. if he knows something spill it. otherwise he needs to ****. Librarywolf is working on his ph.d thesis on African American studies from UNC. Please by easy on him. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:52 PM
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librarywolf wrote: 43-7 against the last place team in our house and barely win in OT!! Guts this is on Gitt and his NBA wanta be Leslie.Not the refs Howell call bad but there is something wrong with this team. Been hearing rumors for a month in locker room . I hope you are not in charge or proofreading in the library. But in all seriousness, tell us what you've been hearing second hand while you clean the urinals and showers stalls in the locker room. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:54 PM
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Howell crushed the guys armpits with his shoulders....I had to laugh ...Howell got called out for not boxing out against Md and Miami and then gets a foul called for boxing out...not to mention his fantom elbow....
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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:58 PM
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I totally agree that they missed the foul call on Howell and the non-walk on Green, but maybe it would be good for us to recount calls that we got away with. Just to balance it out. to keep us from going postal. Surely some calls do go in our favor.
Anybody remember any that went our way today?
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The point is that overall the calls were way unbalanced. I can't really think of any blatant calls that were unquestionably missed in our favor.
It was pretty horrible. VT used hacking to make up for their lack of athletic ability on D and it caught up with them. Thats why we went to the line so many more times than they did. There were still plenty of missed fouls and there was still the disparity. Just by seeing the crap VT got away with tells you that the refs weren't looking at this game objectively.
The way we were getting clobbered out there it's hard to find a time when the refs missed one in our favor. I'm sure they did miss one somewhere, but if it doesn't stand out in your mind as "we got away with one" that should tell you something. Especially after watching video evidence of those screwups.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:01 PM
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Grinder wrote: Comment: "It's called 'under the chest.' Easy call" LMAO Really. What a *********.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:13 PM
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WolfStock wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote: Here is a better capture of the play: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=youtu.be
Hate to say it, but that was a foul on Howell. Look on the replay at his right hand, at :26 in - it hits Zegeren's wrist pretty good, while Zegeren has the ball with both hands. The contact pulls the Zegeren's arm down, which makes it look like an over-the-back. Zegeren did come down on Howell's back, but the foul was before that.
Good call by the official IMO. It was tough to see from the stands and from the TV, which is why everyone complained - but I think it was a good call. You are flat wrong. Howell did hit the VT player on the hand which was on the ball and by rule that is not a foul. A hand is considered part of the ball. Besides Aegeren went over Howell's back to get to the ball and the foul should have been called on him at that point. If you look at the replay everybody on the court including Zegeren and the 2 off officials (and the VT bench) thought it was a foul on Zegeren. Everybody! Except Eades. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:17 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- WolfStock wrote: CanadianWolf wrote: Here is a better capture of the play: www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=youtu.be Hate to say it, but that was a foul on Howell. Look on the replay at his right hand, at :26 in - it hits Zegeren's wrist pretty good, while Zegeren has the ball with both hands. The contact pulls the Zegeren's arm down, which makes it look like an over-the-back. Zegeren did come down on Howell's back, but the foul was before that. Good call by the official IMO. It was tough to see from the stands and from the TV, which is why everyone complained - but I think it was a good call. --------------------------------------------- Hate to say it, but you're wrong. No matter how hard you study :26. If you do a frame by frame analysis of contact on any specific play a single frame isn't going to necessarily indicate the foul. There's really no disputing that was a bad call from any evidence I've seen. FWIW, in the first half you could tell the fix was in and that at least one ref was making questionable calls. Debbie Yow came and sat down at the scorers table at the start of the second half. I don't remember her being there for the first half and I bet she came down because of the refs. I think the Refs office is going to be getting a call after the game. Maybe they can justify the "under the back" and five step shuffle to her. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:22 PM
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FrontierWolf wrote:
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CanadianWolf wrote: Here is a better capture of the play: www.youtube.com/watch?v...eature=youtu.be
Hate to say it, but that was a foul on Howell. Look on the replay at his right hand, at :26 in - it hits Zegeren's wrist pretty good, while Zegeren has the ball with both hands. The contact pulls the Zegeren's arm down, which makes it look like an over-the-back. Zegeren did come down on Howell's back, but the foul was before that.
Good call by the official IMO. It was tough to see from the stands and from the TV, which is why everyone complained - but I think it was a good call.
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Hate to say it, but you're wrong. No matter how hard you study :26. If you do a frame by frame analysis of contact on any specific play a single frame isn't going to necessarily indicate the foul. There's really no disputing that was a bad call from any evidence I've seen.
FWIW, in the first half you could tell the fix was in and that at least one ref was making questionable calls. Debbie Yow came and sat down at the scorers table at the start of the second half. I don't remember her being there for the first half and I bet she came down because of the refs.
I think the Refs office is going to be getting a call after the game. Maybe they can justify the "under the back" and five step shuffle to her. Be specific - are you saying you don't think Howell's hand came across his wrist? Hate to be argumentative - but it seems pretty clear to me actually. At a minimum I would say it could be a "questionable" call (if one thinks the contact that happened should have been let go), but certainly not a horrible one by any stretch. Everyone's focusing on the over-the-back, but the foul happened before that.
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