direwolfpack wrote: If Emmert ever sets foot on campus in Chapel Hill any pretense of "clean" goes out of the window. Nobody would be able to defend the conflict of interest of Emmert protecting U*NC so it's not crippled when he takes the job. In fact I cant believe that Emmert hasn't stepped up and done his job because there's no way in hell he takes Thorps place. Maybe he can be the guy that replaces the guy that replaces Thorpe but that as close as he can come to the current scandal.

WOLFDAC wrote: They are past the point of no return now, they are just digging a Hole that will end up being their grave, all that's left is how deep and how wide do they want to make it.

NC State students are trained to cheer for their team and develop deep feelings regarding our rivals at UNC. Yes some develop passionate dislike or even hatred.  We enjoy seeing our rivals final get what they so richly deserve.

But the see our rivals go toward 3 years of saying we are superior in every way, we do things the right way, get taught cheating and simply will not admit it, could never be imagined.  This is approaching a Watergate type of meltdown.  Yet still no shame by the BOG.  Talk about ego and greed.  There is no level too low for UNC.  Spielberg could make a box office winning movie on this topic.

How many top officials at UNC have been fired, retired or reassigned to other position to avoid telling the truth and coming clean.  Take your medical UNC and get this behind you.

They have the NCAA by the short hairs and tell them to move along, nothing to see here.

They are trying to dictate to the President of ASCS even today.

Well let’s how take flies.

God can someone tell me how many top professionals have been sacrificed, fried, retired or reassigned to keep the Carolina Way in tack?

Even Smokey Glenn will have trouble whitewashing this today.

jelly wrote:

NC State students are trained to cheer for their team and develop deep feelings regarding our rivals at UNC. Yes some develop passionate dislike or even hatred.  We enjoy seeing our rivals final get what they so richly deserve.

But the see our rivals go toward 3 years of saying we are superior in every way, we do things the right way, get taught cheating and simply will not admit it, could never be imagined.  This is approaching a Watergate type of meltdown.  Yet still no shame by the BOG.  Talk about ego and greed.  There is no level too low for UNC.  Spielberg could make a box office winning movie on this topic.

How many top officials at UNC have been fired, retired or reassigned to other position to avoid telling the truth and coming clean.  Take your medical UNC and get this behind you.

They have the NCAA by the short hairs and tell them to move along, nothing to see here.

They are trying to dictate to the President of ASCS even today.

Well let’s how take flies.

God can someone tell me how many top professionals have been sacrificed, fried, retired or reassigned to keep the Carolina Way in tack?

Even Smokey Glenn will have trouble whitewashing this today.

Treyvon wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote: They are past the point of no return now, they are just digging a Hole that will end up being their grave, all that's left is how deep and how wide do they want to make it.

Exactly, I dont think those Einsteins over there thought far enough ahead to think SACS would come along if they blamed academics instead of athletics. Trying to avoid the NCAA just may have cost them even more than they thought.

ProfessorWolf wrote:

wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.

My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned.  Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot.

Wulfpackr wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.

My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned.  Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot.

I JUST don't see it.  What did I miss in that article?

WOLFDAC wrote: This also comes along during "Battle of the Blues" week......hmmmmm.

packphinsfan wrote: So WHAT actually happens? SACS said they wont vacate degrees, but want students to come back and "make their degrees whole" by taking REAL replacement classes. Thorpe said this is "too hard", and wants something else. I would think online courses (which are ok) would be frowned upon in this instance.

BlackRazor wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote: This also comes along during "Battle of the Blues" week......hmmmmm.

yeah wasn't the letter sent to UNC on Jan 15th? Interesting it's made public today.

The N&O has a knack for timing!

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It really seems like UNC has gone around their *** to get to their elbow to make the right play here. Anyone with a brain can see two undeniable facts about this case 1) Athletes benefitted from no-show classes, and 2) for whatever reason, the NCAA is hesitant to do anything about it.

If the NCAA was so willing to accept UNC's findings in the matter, why didn't UNC simply say some FB players benefitted, get their probation in FB extended or some other wrist slap the NCAA surely would've given and call it a day? The case would be closed as far as the NCAA is concerned (as opposed to the waiting game they are technically still playing) and UNC goes on. Instead, they pull out all the stops to make this an academic issue only, and now you've got people threatening your accreditation and wanting grads to come back and take some AFAM course? What a clusterf***!

packwad97 wrote: Man this really puts the Cheats in a bad spot. It has got to be messy dealings when you even start implying degrees that people received are questionable. I would use an example, but I can’t remember ever seeing anything like this happen.

ProfWolf, or any other academic folks on here, what do you think will ultimately happen with this?
Have you ever seen this type of thing happen at another university?

specialedition wrote: "A team assembled by the accrediting body, SACS, is scheduled to visit UNC-CH in April. It will be led by Bowen Loftin, president of Texas A&M University."

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/20...l#storylink=cpy

 

I do like this.  A very good land grant school- probably not overly sympathetic to the plight of a liberal arts school with an inflated reputation giving out inflated grades.

Wulfpackr wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.

My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned.  Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot.

I JUST don't see it.  What did I miss in that article?

The first thing I thought was that the BOG looks like a ship of fools now, take what they said and now this hit's the fan.

ProfessorWolf wrote:

Wulfpackr wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.

My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned.  Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot.

I JUST don't see it.  What did I miss in that article?

Trying to think of a good analogy... maybe this one works: A university ignoring SACS is like an engineering firm ignoring the Professional Engineers Board. Neither one are wise decisions if you goal is to stay in business.

WOLFDAC wrote: They are past the point of no return now, they are just digging a Hole that will end up being their grave, all that's left is how deep and how wide do they want to make it.

19pack76 wrote:

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--- Treyvon wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote: They are past the point of no return now, they are just digging a Hole that will end up being their grave, all that's left is how deep and how wide do they want to make it.

Exactly, I dont think those Einsteins over there thought far enough ahead to think SACS would come along if they blamed academics instead of athletics. Trying to avoid the NCAA just may have cost them even more than they thought.

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I have a hard time believing that even they are that dumb. So maybe SACS is in their pocket and SACS' is just posturing. Just another act in the play. I hope this is not the case.

Wulfpackr wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

Wulfpackr wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.

My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned.  Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot.

I JUST don't see it.  What did I miss in that article?

Trying to think of a good analogy... maybe this one works: A university ignoring SACS is like an engineering firm ignoring the Professional Engineers Board. Neither one are wise decisions if you goal is to stay in business.

Thanks PW, I get that.  But it appears from that article that SACS is slapping their hand with a velvet glove when they should be swinging their hammer of Thor.  SACS has the hammer.  They've chosen not to use it and are trying to convince everyone that velvet REALLY hurts alot.

Wulfpackr wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

Wulfpackr wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.

My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned.  Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot.

I JUST don't see it.  What did I miss in that article?

Trying to think of a good analogy... maybe this one works: A university ignoring SACS is like an engineering firm ignoring the Professional Engineers Board. Neither one are wise decisions if you goal is to stay in business.

Thanks PW, I get that.  But it appears from that article that SACS is slapping their hand with a velvet glove when they should be swinging their hammer of Thor.  SACS has the hammer.  They've chosen not to use it and are trying to convince everyone that velvet REALLY hurts alot.

ProfessorWolf wrote:

Wulfpackr wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

Wulfpackr wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.

My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned.  Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot.

I JUST don't see it.  What did I miss in that article?

Trying to think of a good analogy... maybe this one works: A university ignoring SACS is like an engineering firm ignoring the Professional Engineers Board. Neither one are wise decisions if you goal is to stay in business.

Thanks PW, I get that.  But it appears from that article that SACS is slapping their hand with a velvet glove when they should be swinging their hammer of Thor.  SACS has the hammer.  They've chosen not to use it and are trying to convince everyone that velvet REALLY hurts alot.

In that case... someone needs to photoshop Thor's helmet on this guy.... 'cuz he is comin' to town in April:

mcpack1 wrote: There's got to be some serious in-fighting over there...

Pointy Heads: "Let's come clean now! We all know it was a sham to keep athletes eligible! Our university's reputation is at stake!  As is our funding!"

Holden/Baker/Tilly/Bubba - "ABSOLUTELY NOT! We must protect the mothership ('hole basketball) at all costs!  SAVE THE BANNERS!"

mcpack1 wrote: There's got to be some serious in-fighting over there...

Pointy Heads: "Let's come clean now! We all know it was a sham to keep athletes eligible! Our university's reputation is at stake!  As is our funding!"

Holden/Baker/Tilly/Bubba - "ABSOLUTELY NOT! We must protect the mothership ('hole basketball) at all costs!  SAVE THE BANNERS!"

Wulfpackr wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.

My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned.  Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot.

I JUST don't see it.  What did I miss in that article?

sloth wrote:


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UNC is an enormous criminal enterprise, they are not just some university scared of some empty threat from a useless organization full of blowhards like SACS.

SACS might talk a good game but the reality is they are not going to do a darn thing just like the BOT, BOG, SBI, DA, IRS, whitewash Martin, and the corrupt NCAA.

Abecedarian wrote:
I can understand that perception, but SACS investigations are more surgical in nature. They will punish an entire university at times, but more often, they attempt to cut out cancers rather than amputate limbs. They also tend not to overplay their hand. (and just how many unrelated metaphors can I pack into a single reply?)

WaffleIron wrote:

UNC's Wade Hargrove is WRAL's long time media lawyer. They already have a backroom deal agreement not to dig too far into the scandal. Journalism is in this area is as fraudulent as the officiating during ACC basketball season.

Fayettewuf wrote:

Abecedarian wrote:
I can understand that perception, but SACS investigations are more surgical in nature. They will punish an entire university at times, but more often, they attempt to cut out cancers rather than amputate limbs. They also tend not to overplay their hand. (and just how many unrelated metaphors can I pack into a single reply?)

That has been my experience. That letter suggests that SACS is going medevial on them unless they are able to show that they are very sorry and will never ever do it again. When I say show that they are sorry and it will not happen again, I mean provide hard evidence, not just say it.

BlackRazor wrote:

mcpack1 wrote: There's got to be some serious in-fighting over there...

Pointy Heads: "Let's come clean now! We all know it was a sham to keep athletes eligible! Our university's reputation is at stake!  As is our funding!"

Holden/Baker/Tilly/Bubba - "ABSOLUTELY NOT! We must protect the mothership ('hole basketball) at all costs!  SAVE THE BANNERS!"

Right: "But.... you said this would all go away - you claimed you knew what you're doing, this is only getting worse!"

Wonder if some want to cut bait? They loved having a powerful athletic program & a great academic rep. Now they might have to pick one or the other?

Fayettewuf wrote:

Abecedarian wrote:
I can understand that perception, but SACS investigations are more surgical in nature. They will punish an entire university at times, but more often, they attempt to cut out cancers rather than amputate limbs. They also tend not to overplay their hand. (and just how many unrelated metaphors can I pack into a single reply?)

That has been my experience. That letter suggests that SACS is going medevial on them unless they are able to show that they are very sorry and will never ever do it again. When I say show that they are sorry and it will not happen again, I mean provide hard evidence, not just say it.

PackFan97 wrote: From wiki.......

Richard Bowen Loftin, better known as R. Bowen Loftin, is the 24th President of Texas A&M University.

He was named Interim President in June 2009, sole finalist for the presidency in January 2010, and President on February 12, 2010.

Prior to being appointed Interim President, he served as the Vice President and CEO of Texas A&M University at Galveston, where he also held the position of professor of maritime systems engineering. Dr. Loftin gained experience unique in all of higher education in fall 2008, when Hurricane Ike hit the Texas Gulf Coast. He oversaw evacuation of the multi-site campus and relocation of almost all of the 1,500 students, along with many of the faculty and staff, to the main Texas A&M campus in College Station, approximately 150 miles inland. This is believed to be the first time that an entire institution of higher education was transposed onto another for an extended period of time.

He graduated from Texas A&M University in three years with a degree in physics, with highest honors, in 1970. He earned a master’s degree (1973) and Ph.D. (1975) in physics from Rice University.

He previously served at Old Dominion University as professor of electrical and computer engineering and professor of computer science, and also was responsible for graduate programs in modeling and simulation. He also served as executive director of the Virginia Modeling, Analysis and Simulation Center. Previously, he chaired the Department of Computer Science and was director of the NASA Virtual Environments Research Institute at the University of Houston.

He is an internationally respected consultant in modeling and simulation, advanced training technologies, and scientific/engineering data visualization. He is the author or co-author of more than 100 publications and has served as principal investigator in grants and contracts totaling millions of dollars. He is the recipient of numerous awards for teaching and research excellence.

On campus, his trademark bowtie has become a symbol for the man himself.

Fayettewuf wrote:

Abecedarian wrote:
I can understand that perception, but SACS investigations are more surgical in nature. They will punish an entire university at times, but more often, they attempt to cut out cancers rather than amputate limbs. They also tend not to overplay their hand. (and just how many unrelated metaphors can I pack into a single reply?)

That has been my experience. That letter suggests that SACS is going medevial on them unless they are able to show that they are very sorry and will never ever do it again. When I say show that they are sorry and it will not happen again, I mean provide hard evidence, not just say it.