pointwolf wrote: I failed to mention the search firm that is involved.  Many times this is window dressing to do leg work and vetting.  Many times the selection is made before an opening ever occurs... believe me in this area if you want the down and dirty.

Wuffity wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote:

Wuffity wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

trpack wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

Treyvon wrote: Didn't ProfWolf predict this would eventually happen?

Slow but steady.....the pointy heads are waking up.

Somewhere in the dozens of threads over the past 2 1/2 years I explained Marye Anne Fox's problems began at State when the faculty realized their voices didn't matter. I indicated then when the faculty at unc realized how little say they actually had in the operation of the university, the battle would become epic. I could still be very wrong on how this will turn out for the Heels, but more and more it is looking like the faculty are regaining control. As I've been saying for about a month now, the next thing to watch is the announcement of the new chancellor.

Ok Prof, this new chancellor is named and someone(s) claim this person is a true academic and straighten things out.  What "someone(s)" would you consider credible enough to listen to and believe their assessment?

The "where" will yell you a lot. If the new Chancellor comes from somewhere like Kansas, it will be status quo. If he/she comes from somewhere like Rice, you can assume the opposite is true.

Rhetorical question here. Who is it, exactly, that hires the new chancellor?

BOT....methinks? Prof?

An outside firm is doing the "behind the scenes" contacts so no names are floating in public. Pretty sure that firm gets its directives from a search committee. I can tell you based on recent academic hires at State, typically that search committee is very secretive. There will be representatives of relevant industries, a few faculty, and perhaps some influential alum. The process is much like the hiring of a new coach. The committee jets off to undisclosed airports for meetings and interviews. They (the committee) won't mention which airports or who they are interviewing. All of a sudden, a recommendation will be presented to the Board of Trustees. The Board will have their say, and then they will pass along the name to UNC System President Ross. Ross will put that name forward to the Board of Governors as his recommendation.

In the end, lots of folks are involved in the process. The name probably doesn't make it from the search committee to the Board of Trustees without a general consensus the BOT will approve. It probably doesn't come out of the BOT without a consensus it will be approved by the BOG. The challenge is keeping that name from the public until it happens. You want the "candidate" to be able to return back to their current position without anyone knowing they were even a candidate, which is why the search firm is so important.

By BOT, do you mean the "how will this affect recruiting" BOT?

55blue wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I failed to mention the search firm that is involved.  Many times this is window dressing to do leg work and vetting.  Many times the selection is made before an opening ever occurs... believe me in this area if you want the down and dirty.

Basically,should it be assumed that UNC already has their new one but will go through the motions in 3-4 months of selecting?

TruthBKnownReturns wrote:

Wuffity wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote:

Wuffity wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

trpack wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

Treyvon wrote: Didn't ProfWolf predict this would eventually happen?

Slow but steady.....the pointy heads are waking up.

Somewhere in the dozens of threads over the past 2 1/2 years I explained Marye Anne Fox's problems began at State when the faculty realized their voices didn't matter. I indicated then when the faculty at unc realized how little say they actually had in the operation of the university, the battle would become epic. I could still be very wrong on how this will turn out for the Heels, but more and more it is looking like the faculty are regaining control. As I've been saying for about a month now, the next thing to watch is the announcement of the new chancellor.

Ok Prof, this new chancellor is named and someone(s) claim this person is a true academic and straighten things out.  What "someone(s)" would you consider credible enough to listen to and believe their assessment?

The "where" will yell you a lot. If the new Chancellor comes from somewhere like Kansas, it will be status quo. If he/she comes from somewhere like Rice, you can assume the opposite is true.

Rhetorical question here. Who is it, exactly, that hires the new chancellor?

BOT....methinks? Prof?

An outside firm is doing the "behind the scenes" contacts so no names are floating in public. Pretty sure that firm gets its directives from a search committee. I can tell you based on recent academic hires at State, typically that search committee is very secretive. There will be representatives of relevant industries, a few faculty, and perhaps some influential alum. The process is much like the hiring of a new coach. The committee jets off to undisclosed airports for meetings and interviews. They (the committee) won't mention which airports or who they are interviewing. All of a sudden, a recommendation will be presented to the Board of Trustees. The Board will have their say, and then they will pass along the name to UNC System President Ross. Ross will put that name forward to the Board of Governors as his recommendation.

In the end, lots of folks are involved in the process. The name probably doesn't make it from the search committee to the Board of Trustees without a general consensus the BOT will approve. It probably doesn't come out of the BOT without a consensus it will be approved by the BOG. The challenge is keeping that name from the public until it happens. You want the "candidate" to be able to return back to their current position without anyone knowing they were even a candidate, which is why the search firm is so important.

By BOT, do you mean the "how will this affect recruiting" BOT?

I thought that was the BoG (which is even worse!)

pointwolf wrote: I do not know on this specific unc opening but most schools have a "list" and will forward a name to a search firm.  Rest assured unc will go through a lot of motions before their new man/woman is selected.  The fun will begin should the Chancy search resemble a football coaching search when certain candidates turn down the job.

At this level the spouse is at least 30% of the qualifications.  I see a minority or woman being chosen.  UNC will be pulling out all stops to clear their name...without admitting it's name needs clearing.

55blue wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I failed to mention the search firm that is involved.  Many times this is window dressing to do leg work and vetting.  Many times the selection is made before an opening ever occurs... believe me in this area if you want the down and dirty.

Basically,should it be assumed that UNC already has their new one but will go through the motions in 3-4 months of selecting?

BlackRazor wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I do not know on this specific unc opening but most schools have a "list" and will forward a name to a search firm.  Rest assured unc will go through a lot of motions before their new man/woman is selected.  The fun will begin should the Chancy search resemble a football coaching search when certain candidates turn down the job.

At this level the spouse is at least 30% of the qualifications.  I see a minority or woman being chosen.  UNC will be pulling out all stops to clear their name...without admitting it's name needs clearing.

55blue wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I failed to mention the search firm that is involved.  Many times this is window dressing to do leg work and vetting.  Many times the selection is made before an opening ever occurs... believe me in this area if you want the down and dirty.

Basically,should it be assumed that UNC already has their new one but will go through the motions in 3-4 months of selecting?

I'd love them to pick a hard core fem who sees sports as a waste of time that glorifies men too much in her eyes.

pointwolf wrote: I do not know on this specific unc opening but most schools have a "list" and will forward a name to a search firm.  Rest assured unc will go through a lot of motions before their new man/woman is selected.  The fun will begin should the Chancy search resemble a football coaching search when certain candidates turn down the job.

At this level the spouse is at least 30% of the qualifications.  I see a minority or woman being chosen.  UNC will be pulling out all stops to clear their name...without admitting it's name needs clearing.

55blue wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I failed to mention the search firm that is involved.  Many times this is window dressing to do leg work and vetting.  Many times the selection is made before an opening ever occurs... believe me in this area if you want the down and dirty.

Basically,should it be assumed that UNC already has their new one but will go through the motions in 3-4 months of selecting?

BlackRazor wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I do not know on this specific unc opening but most schools have a "list" and will forward a name to a search firm.  Rest assured unc will go through a lot of motions before their new man/woman is selected.  The fun will begin should the Chancy search resemble a football coaching search when certain candidates turn down the job.

At this level the spouse is at least 30% of the qualifications.  I see a minority or woman being chosen.  UNC will be pulling out all stops to clear their name...without admitting it's name needs clearing.

55blue wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I failed to mention the search firm that is involved.  Many times this is window dressing to do leg work and vetting.  Many times the selection is made before an opening ever occurs... believe me in this area if you want the down and dirty.

Basically,should it be assumed that UNC already has their new one but will go through the motions in 3-4 months of selecting?

I'd love them to pick a hard core fem who sees sports as a waste of time that glorifies men too much in her eyes.

Treyvon wrote:

You're dreaming BR....Rams club won't allow that.

BlackRazor wrote:

Treyvon wrote:

You're dreaming BR....Rams club won't allow that.

I know Trey, that's why I wrote love - I don't believe they'll do that.

Some posters think their choice will tell us what direction they'll go from here, who wins out for the control of that school - assuming there's a battle @ all.

BlackRazor wrote:

Treyvon wrote:

You're dreaming BR....Rams club won't allow that.

I know Trey, that's why I wrote love - I don't believe they'll do that.

Some posters think their choice will tell us what direction they'll go from here, who wins out for the control of that school - assuming there's a battle @ all.

ProfessorWolf wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

Treyvon wrote:

You're dreaming BR....Rams club won't allow that.

I know Trey, that's why I wrote love - I don't believe they'll do that.

Some posters think their choice will tell us what direction they'll go from here, who wins out for the control of that school - assuming there's a battle @ all.

A person's background predisposes them towards certain priorities, certain comfort zones. Example: if you are a plant science guy (Woodson) and want to leave your finger print on a Land Grant University, the first place you start is the sciences, not engineering and not textiles. 

If your career has been spent in an academic first environment, that is what you know and that is your comfort zone. If your career has been spent in an environment where athletics are an equal priority, then you are comfortable with aspect of university life. 

So, yes, this poster thinks the "where they are from" will tell you a lot about the new chancellor's perspective and professional tendencies.

Treyvon wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

Treyvon wrote:

You're dreaming BR....Rams club won't allow that.

I know Trey, that's why I wrote love - I don't believe they'll do that.

Some posters think their choice will tell us what direction they'll go from here, who wins out for the control of that school - assuming there's a battle @ all.

Deems May will be next Chancellor. 

pointwolf wrote: I do not know on this specific unc opening but most schools have a "list" and will forward a name to a search firm.  Rest assured unc will go through a lot of motions before their new man/woman is selected.  The fun will begin should the Chancy search resemble a football coaching search when certain candidates turn down the job.

At this level the spouse is at least 30% of the qualifications.  I see a minority or woman being chosen.  UNC will be pulling out all stops to clear their name...without admitting it's name needs clearing.

55blue wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I failed to mention the search firm that is involved.  Many times this is window dressing to do leg work and vetting.  Many times the selection is made before an opening ever occurs... believe me in this area if you want the down and dirty.

Basically,should it be assumed that UNC already has their new one but will go through the motions in 3-4 months of selecting?

lumberpack3 wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I do not know on this specific unc opening but most schools have a "list" and will forward a name to a search firm.  Rest assured unc will go through a lot of motions before their new man/woman is selected.  The fun will begin should the Chancy search resemble a football coaching search when certain candidates turn down the job.

At this level the spouse is at least 30% of the qualifications.  I see a minority or woman being chosen.  UNC will be pulling out all stops to clear their name...without admitting it's name needs clearing.

55blue wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I failed to mention the search firm that is involved.  Many times this is window dressing to do leg work and vetting.  Many times the selection is made before an opening ever occurs... believe me in this area if you want the down and dirty.

Basically,should it be assumed that UNC already has their new one but will go through the motions in 3-4 months of selecting?

Bernedette Gray Little would have fit that bill, but she's only been gone 4 years from UNC and the scandal would touch her.  I see a person with Wall Street Connections or with an original education background in business, finance or health care.  This might be BC/BS's and NC Memorial's time to cast around the deciding votes. It seems like we had a thread on this about 6 months ago and most everyone with a current hand in higher education was able to ID the same handful of folks who would fit the bill.

SeaBarrister wrote:

lumberpack3 wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I do not know on this specific unc opening but most schools have a "list" and will forward a name to a search firm.  Rest assured unc will go through a lot of motions before their new man/woman is selected.  The fun will begin should the Chancy search resemble a football coaching search when certain candidates turn down the job.

At this level the spouse is at least 30% of the qualifications.  I see a minority or woman being chosen.  UNC will be pulling out all stops to clear their name...without admitting it's name needs clearing.

55blue wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I failed to mention the search firm that is involved.  Many times this is window dressing to do leg work and vetting.  Many times the selection is made before an opening ever occurs... believe me in this area if you want the down and dirty.

Basically,should it be assumed that UNC already has their new one but will go through the motions in 3-4 months of selecting?

Bernedette Gray Little would have fit that bill, but she's only been gone 4 years from UNC and the scandal would touch her.  I see a person with Wall Street Connections or with an original education background in business, finance or health care.  This might be BC/BS's and NC Memorial's time to cast around the deciding votes. It seems like we had a thread on this about 6 months ago and most everyone with a current hand in higher education was able to ID the same handful of folks who would fit the bill.

Sallie Krawcheck.
Former Morehead Scholar - BA-Journalism - UNC
MBA - Columbia

CEO, Sanford Berstein
CEO, Smith Barney
CFO, Citibank
Head of Global Wealth, BofA
Recently considered to head the SEC  (Wall Street, not college sports)

Brought into all of the above situations to clean up a huge mess left behind by someone else.

Treyvon wrote:

TruthBKnownReturns wrote:

Wuffity wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote:

Wuffity wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

trpack wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

Treyvon wrote: Didn't ProfWolf predict this would eventually happen?

Slow but steady.....the pointy heads are waking up.

Somewhere in the dozens of threads over the past 2 1/2 years I explained Marye Anne Fox's problems began at State when the faculty realized their voices didn't matter. I indicated then when the faculty at unc realized how little say they actually had in the operation of the university, the battle would become epic. I could still be very wrong on how this will turn out for the Heels, but more and more it is looking like the faculty are regaining control. As I've been saying for about a month now, the next thing to watch is the announcement of the new chancellor.

Ok Prof, this new chancellor is named and someone(s) claim this person is a true academic and straighten things out.  What "someone(s)" would you consider credible enough to listen to and believe their assessment?

The "where" will yell you a lot. If the new Chancellor comes from somewhere like Kansas, it will be status quo. If he/she comes from somewhere like Rice, you can assume the opposite is true.

Rhetorical question here. Who is it, exactly, that hires the new chancellor?

BOT....methinks? Prof?

An outside firm is doing the "behind the scenes" contacts so no names are floating in public. Pretty sure that firm gets its directives from a search committee. I can tell you based on recent academic hires at State, typically that search committee is very secretive. There will be representatives of relevant industries, a few faculty, and perhaps some influential alum. The process is much like the hiring of a new coach. The committee jets off to undisclosed airports for meetings and interviews. They (the committee) won't mention which airports or who they are interviewing. All of a sudden, a recommendation will be presented to the Board of Trustees. The Board will have their say, and then they will pass along the name to UNC System President Ross. Ross will put that name forward to the Board of Governors as his recommendation.

In the end, lots of folks are involved in the process. The name probably doesn't make it from the search committee to the Board of Trustees without a general consensus the BOT will approve. It probably doesn't come out of the BOT without a consensus it will be approved by the BOG. The challenge is keeping that name from the public until it happens. You want the "candidate" to be able to return back to their current position without anyone knowing they were even a candidate, which is why the search firm is so important.

By BOT, do you mean the "how will this affect recruiting" BOT?

I thought that was the BoG (which is even worse!)

BOT

ProfessorWolf wrote:

SeaBarrister wrote:

lumberpack3 wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I do not know on this specific unc opening but most schools have a "list" and will forward a name to a search firm.  Rest assured unc will go through a lot of motions before their new man/woman is selected.  The fun will begin should the Chancy search resemble a football coaching search when certain candidates turn down the job.

At this level the spouse is at least 30% of the qualifications.  I see a minority or woman being chosen.  UNC will be pulling out all stops to clear their name...without admitting it's name needs clearing.

55blue wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I failed to mention the search firm that is involved.  Many times this is window dressing to do leg work and vetting.  Many times the selection is made before an opening ever occurs... believe me in this area if you want the down and dirty.

Basically,should it be assumed that UNC already has their new one but will go through the motions in 3-4 months of selecting?

Bernedette Gray Little would have fit that bill, but she's only been gone 4 years from UNC and the scandal would touch her.  I see a person with Wall Street Connections or with an original education background in business, finance or health care.  This might be BC/BS's and NC Memorial's time to cast around the deciding votes. It seems like we had a thread on this about 6 months ago and most everyone with a current hand in higher education was able to ID the same handful of folks who would fit the bill.

Sallie Krawcheck.
Former Morehead Scholar - BA-Journalism - UNC
MBA - Columbia

CEO, Sanford Berstein
CEO, Smith Barney
CFO, Citibank
Head of Global Wealth, BofA
Recently considered to head the SEC  (Wall Street, not college sports)

Brought into all of the above situations to clean up a huge mess left behind by someone else.

I've had a debate with my peers for years... a skilled business person vs. established researcher. Rarely do those skill sets exist in the same administrator. Unlike in the past where so much of a university's resources came from the government, today, it is more about fund raising, marketing of intellectual property, etc. Face it, the university is more business-like than it has ever been in the past. I personally think a talented CEO from corporate America could do an excellent job running an NC State or UNC. I'd like to see a university think outside the box and give it a try. But, I'm not sure a tier-1 research university would accept a non-PhD as their chancellor.  Strike one against Ms. Krawcheck.

ONLYNCSU1 wrote: TPTB at UNC love Bernadette Gray-Little.

lumberpack3 wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

I've had a debate with my peers for years... a skilled business person vs. established researcher. Rarely do those skill sets exist in the same administrator. Unlike in the past where so much of a university's resources came from the government, today, it is more about fund raising, marketing of intellectual property, etc. Face it, the university is more business-like than it has ever been in the past. I personally think a talented CEO from corporate America could do an excellent job running an NC State or UNC. I'd like to see a university think outside the box and give it a try. But, I'm not sure a tier-1 research university would accept a non-PhD as their chancellor.  Strike one against Ms. Krawcheck.

Professor, I agree with you on the PhD.  I'm not sure they would accept an EdD or the even rarer Doctor of Arts, however they do need a clean up - turnaround specialist.

SeaBarrister wrote:

lumberpack3 wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I do not know on this specific unc opening but most schools have a "list" and will forward a name to a search firm.  Rest assured unc will go through a lot of motions before their new man/woman is selected.  The fun will begin should the Chancy search resemble a football coaching search when certain candidates turn down the job.

At this level the spouse is at least 30% of the qualifications.  I see a minority or woman being chosen.  UNC will be pulling out all stops to clear their name...without admitting it's name needs clearing.

55blue wrote:

pointwolf wrote: I failed to mention the search firm that is involved.  Many times this is window dressing to do leg work and vetting.  Many times the selection is made before an opening ever occurs... believe me in this area if you want the down and dirty.

Basically,should it be assumed that UNC already has their new one but will go through the motions in 3-4 months of selecting?

Bernedette Gray Little would have fit that bill, but she's only been gone 4 years from UNC and the scandal would touch her.  I see a person with Wall Street Connections or with an original education background in business, finance or health care.  This might be BC/BS's and NC Memorial's time to cast around the deciding votes. It seems like we had a thread on this about 6 months ago and most everyone with a current hand in higher education was able to ID the same handful of folks who would fit the bill.

Sallie Krawcheck.
Former Morehead Scholar - BA-Journalism - UNC
MBA - Columbia

CEO, Sanford Berstein
CEO, Smith Barney
CFO, Citibank
Head of Global Wealth, BofA
Recently considered to head the SEC  (Wall Street, not college sports)

Brought into all of the above situations to clean up a huge mess left behind by someone else.

RS74 wrote: LOL at Sallie Krawcheck. I saw an interview with her just this week. Kept making analogies with Tar Heel basketball; talked of the alumni games with stars in her eyes; ended her remarks on the economy by discussing the team's prospects for the tourney this year! If she took the job, it would be for good seats.

of course, I'm skeptical that it will be a strict academic person anyway. The search committee has a strong athletic contingent, including the Chair of the Faculty-- Jan Boxill! So I still say the Chancellor will have to acknowledge the importance of winning teams to have a chance at being selected. Some of you are describing how it ought to come out, and how you'd like it to come out, but I think you're going to be disappointed.

Wufwuf1 wrote: Wow. Looking at UNC basketball players. All the declared majors of contributing players (not the cheerleaders) who have declared a major, is "Communication Studies". I wonder if they chose that major for themselves?

ProfessorWolf wrote:

Wufwuf1 wrote: Wow. Looking at UNC basketball players. All the declared majors of contributing players (not the cheerleaders) who have declared a major, is "Communication Studies". I wonder if they chose that major for themselves?

Perhaps the players should talk to Sean May about that degree.

ProfessorWolf wrote:

lumberpack3 wrote:

ProfessorWolf wrote:

I've had a debate with my peers for years... a skilled business person vs. established researcher. Rarely do those skill sets exist in the same administrator. Unlike in the past where so much of a university's resources came from the government, today, it is more about fund raising, marketing of intellectual property, etc. Face it, the university is more business-like than it has ever been in the past. I personally think a talented CEO from corporate America could do an excellent job running an NC State or UNC. I'd like to see a university think outside the box and give it a try. But, I'm not sure a tier-1 research university would accept a non-PhD as their chancellor.  Strike one against Ms. Krawcheck.

Professor, I agree with you on the PhD.  I'm not sure they would accept an EdD or the even rarer Doctor of Arts, however they do need a clean up - turnaround specialist.

No doubt about that...

They need a Lee Iococa type.

DiverDownBrian wrote: www.dailytarheel.com/article/2...-see-more-rules

MattNicholson wrote: If UNC hires from within, that is clear indication they have learned NOTHING from the last 3 years. The entire reason they are in this position in the first place is they kept hiring family members who firmly believed that what they were doing was A-OK, because that's all they have ever known.

Fayettewuf wrote:

DiverDownBrian wrote: www.dailytarheel.com/article/2...-see-more-rules

LOL the thought of all the committee work that is being done in preparation for SACS is hilarious. People that have no idea who Marvin Austin was are spending some long afternoons rewriting definitions of practicum, independent study and such. Do not envy them. The professional schools that have never had a football nor basketball player have to go through a lot of crap now.

MattNicholson wrote: If UNC hires from within, that is clear indication they have learned NOTHING from the last 3 years. The entire reason they are in this position in the first place is they kept hiring family members who firmly believed that what they were doing was A-OK, because that's all they have ever known.