52Fan wrote:

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“Holden Thorp is one of America’s most highly respected leaders in higher education,” Wrighton said in a news release. “He is a great scientist with an excellent track record of achievement and a reputation for his commitment to student success, academic excellence and professional integrity.

I wonder how much vomit the N&O staff will have to clean off the printing press for having to print this in tomorrow's paper.  This does make me wonder why he's going to leave town.  Seems to me he had a pretty sweet deal lined up for him to hang around.

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His "Reputation for his commitment to student success, academic excellence, and professional integrity" includes recent statements that he "did not get into the grading practices of his Professors" (when asked if he thought someone should get an "A" on a plagiarized paper"), over 200 bogus classes with bogus grades, and an orchestrated whitewash of an athletic scandal that dwarfs anything we have ever seen.

Yep...he's the perfect candidate.

sloth wrote: Surprised the SEC schools did not have a bidding war for Holden when you consider his vast experience with cheating and cover-ups.

sloth wrote: Surprised the SEC schools did not have a bidding war for Holden when you consider his vast experience with cheating and cover-ups.

sloth wrote: Surprised the SEC schools did not have a bidding war for Holden when you consider his vast experience with cheating and cover-ups.

WOLFDAC wrote:

sloth wrote: Surprised the SEC schools did not have a bidding war for Holden when you consider his vast experience with cheating and cover-ups.

Thorpe got caught...damaged goods.

trpack wrote: 

Perhaps SEC schools have more integrity than they are given credit for.

WUF84 wrote: Maybe this is already posted, but Thorp has announced that he is leaving UNC for a Provost job at Washington Univ. in St. Louis. 

http://www.journalnow.com/news...1a4bcf6878.html

Pack05 wrote: you really have to applaud his level of connections... to oversee the largest case of institutionalized academic fraud at an american university and get hired by an academic first school??? really ??? and I thought they told us this was not an athletic scandal but an academic one which is worse right?? the buck stops with Holden on that right?? and also the unethical hiring practices Holden allowed to happen in the fund raising deptartment... that happened too right??

Good gawd if only I could screw up this monumentally in mulitple ways at the highest of levels and land a sweet gig just months later... must be amazing.

PackMan97 wrote:

trpack wrote: 

Perhaps SEC schools have more integrity than they are given credit for.

Or perhaps when SEC schools cheat, they expect more results than a Belk Bowl.

Pack05 wrote: you really have to applaud his level of connections... to oversee the largest case of institutionalized academic fraud at an american university and get hired by an academic first school??? really ??? and I thought they told us this was not an athletic scandal but an academic one which is worse right?? the buck stops with Holden on that right?? and also the unethical hiring practices Holden allowed to happen in the fund raising deptartment... that happened too right??

Good gawd if only I could screw up this monumentally in mulitple ways at the highest of levels and land a sweet gig just months later... must be amazing.

89pack94 wrote:

Pack05 wrote: you really have to applaud his level of connections... to oversee the largest case of institutionalized academic fraud at an american university and get hired by an academic first school??? really ??? and I thought they told us this was not an athletic scandal but an academic one which is worse right?? the buck stops with Holden on that right?? and also the unethical hiring practices Holden allowed to happen in the fund raising deptartment... that happened too right??

Good gawd if only I could screw up this monumentally in mulitple ways at the highest of levels and land a sweet gig just months later... must be amazing.

I imagine most academians know he was just a puppet. They know it is an athletic scandal and not academic...

packisbacknow wrote: But finding those graduates, and having them take extra courses years later, would likely be a monumental undertaking.

“I think it would be a huge challenge,” said Thorp, who added that he doesn’t know the number of graduates who took improperly taught African studies classes.

Read more here: www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/1...l#storylink=cpy


How hard could it be? Hmm, well let's start a list for Mr. Thorp:

Julius Peppers (oops he didn't graduate, not so easy I guess)
Vince Carter
Tyler Handsboro

seniorwolf60 wrote:

89pack94 wrote:

Pack05 wrote: you really have to applaud his level of connections... to oversee the largest case of institutionalized academic fraud at an american university and get hired by an academic first school??? really ??? and I thought they told us this was not an athletic scandal but an academic one which is worse right?? the buck stops with Holden on that right?? and also the unethical hiring practices Holden allowed to happen in the fund raising deptartment... that happened too right??

Good gawd if only I could screw up this monumentally in mulitple ways at the highest of levels and land a sweet gig just months later... must be amazing.

I imagine most academians know he was just a puppet. They know it is an athletic scandal and not academic...

OK. I get it. Any institution desiring to enhance its academic standing wants to hire a puppet instead of a leader.   Something else is going on here.

No reasonable person could possibly believe Roe Lach operated without approval from superiors at NCAA. This has a "Watergate" feel.

NCAA says "select" personnel in the wrong. So much for accountability. Start the bus, so Emmert can "select" those he'll throw under it!

NCAA fires VP of Enforcement BEFORE release of external investigation: http://cbsprt.co/XY0plM  Those above her didn't know?! Please.

AlignedFor9 wrote: Anyone following Jay Bilas on Twitter regarding the NCAA and Miami?  Anyone think those comments could and should equally apply to UNC and the academic fraud scandal?

Jay Bilas ‏ @ JayBilas

No reasonable person could possibly believe Roe Lach operated without approval from superiors at NCAA. This has a "Watergate" feel.

Jay Bilas ‏ @ JayBilas

NCAA says "select" personnel in the wrong. So much for accountability. Start the bus, so Emmert can "select" those he'll throw under it!

Jay Bilas ‏ @ JayBilas

NCAA fires VP of Enforcement BEFORE release of external investigation: http://cbsprt.co/XY0plM  Those above her didn't know?! Please.

BlackRazor wrote:

AlignedFor9 wrote: Anyone following Jay Bilas on Twitter regarding the NCAA and Miami?  Anyone think those comments could and should equally apply to UNC and the academic fraud scandal?

Jay Bilas ‏ @ JayBilas

No reasonable person could possibly believe Roe Lach operated without approval from superiors at NCAA. This has a "Watergate" feel.

Jay Bilas ‏ @ JayBilas

NCAA says "select" personnel in the wrong. So much for accountability. Start the bus, so Emmert can "select" those he'll throw under it!

Jay Bilas ‏ @ JayBilas

NCAA fires VP of Enforcement BEFORE release of external investigation: http://cbsprt.co/XY0plM  Those above her didn't know?! Please.

lol, wow! What will Jay do/say if UNC selects Emmert to be their new Thorp?

Here is a link to a picture of the Bilas Tweets that can be shared... https://twitter.com/Jacob_UK/status/30361723485987 6352/photo/1

NCAA fires VP of enforcement
Roe Lach’s departure is only the latest in a spate of firings in the association’s enforcement staff. Investigator Abigail Grantstein was fired in December for improper conduct during the association’s investigation into UCLA basketball star Shabazz Muhammad. Investigator Ameen Najjar was also fired in the summer of 2012 while working on the Miami case. The enforcement staff also lost longtime investigator Rich Johanningmeier, who retired in 2012, and saw the abrupt resignation of Bill Benjamin, who left his post as the NCAA’s director of enforcement less than eight months after taking the position.

Will anyone be left at the NCAA to return to Chapel Hill?

DevilnTX wrote: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/n...-171556026.html

NCAA fires VP of enforcement
Roe Lach’s departure is only the latest in a spate of firings in the association’s enforcement staff. Investigator Abigail Grantstein was fired in December for improper conduct during the association’s investigation into UCLA basketball star Shabazz Muhammad. Investigator Ameen Najjar was also fired in the summer of 2012 while working on the Miami case. The enforcement staff also lost longtime investigator Rich Johanningmeier, who retired in 2012, and saw the abrupt resignation of Bill Benjamin, who left his post as the NCAA’s director of enforcement less than eight months after taking the position.

Will anyone be left at the NCAA to return to Chapel Hill?

RaleighBound wrote:

seniorwolf60 wrote:

89pack94 wrote:

Pack05 wrote: you really have to applaud his level of connections... to oversee the largest case of institutionalized academic fraud at an american university and get hired by an academic first school??? really ??? and I thought they told us this was not an athletic scandal but an academic one which is worse right?? the buck stops with Holden on that right?? and also the unethical hiring practices Holden allowed to happen in the fund raising deptartment... that happened too right??

Good gawd if only I could screw up this monumentally in mulitple ways at the highest of levels and land a sweet gig just months later... must be amazing.

I imagine most academians know he was just a puppet. They know it is an athletic scandal and not academic...

OK. I get it. Any institution desiring to enhance its academic standing wants to hire a puppet instead of a leader.   Something else is going on here.

Oh, no doubt sir.  According to the N&O article, Thorp was awarded two endowed professorships at his new home.  We would like to know what entity is funding that generous endowment.  Those with connections (Lumber, ProfWolf, Alum, get 'er done).
 

Caedmon wrote: And to think - this is the school that didn't want to let Virginia Tech in the conference because they thought their academics were not up to ACC standards. What snobs.

techcutter wrote:

Caedmon wrote: And to think - this is the school that didn't want to let Virginia Tech in the conference because they thought their academics were not up to ACC standards. What snobs.

I can assure you that Virginia Tech academic standards are not at UNC levels: and thank God.  My diploma actually means something.  As far as I can tell all you have to do at UNC to obtain a degree is be able to spell UNC after 4 years.  Of course I am not sure all of the UNC athletes are capable of spelling UNC.

techcutter wrote:

Caedmon wrote: And to think - this is the school that didn't want to let Virginia Tech in the conference because they thought their academics were not up to ACC standards. What snobs.

I can assure you that Virginia Tech academic standards are not at UNC levels: and thank God.  My diploma actually means something.  As far as I can tell all you have to do at UNC to obtain a degree is be able to spell UNC after 4 years.  Of course I am not sure all of the UNC athletes are capable of spelling UNC.

DevilnTX wrote: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/n...-171556026.html

NCAA fires VP of enforcement
Roe Lach’s departure is only the latest in a spate of firings in the association’s enforcement staff. Investigator Abigail Grantstein was fired in December for improper conduct during the association’s investigation into UCLA basketball star Shabazz Muhammad. Investigator Ameen Najjar was also fired in the summer of 2012 while working on the Miami case. The enforcement staff also lost longtime investigator Rich Johanningmeier, who retired in 2012, and saw the abrupt resignation of Bill Benjamin, who left his post as the NCAA’s director of enforcement less than eight months after taking the position.

Will anyone be left at the NCAA to return to Chapel Hill?

rtppackfan wrote: "For two years, Thorp was consumed with several scandals that began with improper benefits and tutoring for football players. Then UNC-CH made national news when an academic fraud scandal was uncovered in the African and Afro-American Studies department, where investigations found no-show classes, poorly supervised independent study courses and unauthorized grade changes. And the university’s chief fundraiser resigned following revelations (fraud) that he and his girlfriend, the mother of a former UNC-CH basketball player, charged the university for personal travel."

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/18/2690249/in- moving-on-holden-thorp-will.html#storylink=cpy

It's a trifecta:

*  improper benefits to athletes (players with agents and getting things in Miami and parking tickets being mysteriously paid)

* academic scandal - a whole department not monitored for decades AFAM scheme to keep athletes eligible

* top fundraiser embezzling from the school (Tammy Hansbrough)

How does the guy get anoth high profile job?

rtppackfan wrote: "For two years, Thorp was consumed with several scandals that began with improper benefits and tutoring for football players. Then UNC-CH made national news when an academic fraud scandal was uncovered in the African and Afro-American Studies department, where investigations found no-show classes, poorly supervised independent study courses and unauthorized grade changes. And the university’s chief fundraiser resigned following revelations (fraud) that he and his girlfriend, the mother of a former UNC-CH basketball player, charged the university for personal travel."

Read more here: www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/18/2690249/in- moving-on-holden-thorp-will.html#storylink=cpy

wolfchicEE wrote:

rtppackfan wrote: "For two years, Thorp was consumed with several scandals that began with improper benefits and tutoring for football players. Then UNC-CH made national news when an academic fraud scandal was uncovered in the African and Afro-American Studies department, where investigations found no-show classes, poorly supervised independent study courses and unauthorized grade changes. And the university’s chief fundraiser resigned following revelations (fraud) that he and his girlfriend, the mother of a former UNC-CH basketball player, charged the university for personal travel."

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/18/2690249/in- moving-on-holden-thorp-will.html#storylink=cpy

It's a trifecta:

*  improper benefits to athletes (players with agents and getting things in Miami and parking tickets being mysteriously paid)

* academic scandal - a whole department not monitored for decades AFAM scheme to keep athletes eligible

* top fundraiser embezzling from the school (Tammy Hansbrough)

How does the guy get anoth high profile job?

CaptainRedbird wrote:

wolfchicEE wrote:

rtppackfan wrote: "For two years, Thorp was consumed with several scandals that began with improper benefits and tutoring for football players. Then UNC-CH made national news when an academic fraud scandal was uncovered in the African and Afro-American Studies department, where investigations found no-show classes, poorly supervised independent study courses and unauthorized grade changes. And the university’s chief fundraiser resigned following revelations (fraud) that he and his girlfriend, the mother of a former UNC-CH basketball player, charged the university for personal travel."

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/18/2690249/in- moving-on-holden-thorp-will.html#storylink=cpy

It's a trifecta:

*  improper benefits to athletes (players with agents and getting things in Miami and parking tickets being mysteriously paid)

* academic scandal - a whole department not monitored for decades AFAM scheme to keep athletes eligible

* top fundraiser embezzling from the school (Tammy Hansbrough)

How does the guy get anoth high profile job?

Because it is an Athletic Scandal? :)  This has got to be connected somehow somewhere. Why would any institution take on his baggage? The fix has GOT TO BE IN.

At UNC-CH, deficits of democracy and leadership led to scandal