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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:06 PM
Accrediting agency wants clear action from UNC
http://www.newsobserver.com/20...ants-clear.html
This is mentioned in the other thread but I thought maybe it deserved its own.
"...many schools have a get-out-of-jail-free card when it comes to academic improprieties in their college athletic programs – and it appears UNC is cashing in theirs in hopes of avoiding serious sanctions." Dr. B. David Ridpath, College Sports Business News
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:25 PM
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OneOpinion wrote: http://www.newsobserver.com/20...ants-clear.html
This is mentioned in the other thread but I thought maybe it deserved its own. Fraudulent is as fraudulent does. |
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:40 PM
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Am I the only one that freaking wants to pimp slap Thorpe every time he opens his stupid mouth?
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:42 PM
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Fourthepack wrote: Am I the only one that freaking wants to pimp slap Thorpe every time he opens his stupid mouth? Why? Let him keep on talking. So far, everyone from their side that has talked seems to keep burying them a little deeper.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:47 PM
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Asked why any former student would return for an extra course, Wheelan said: “Integrity. Honesty. Fairness. You know, all those things we like to think they learned as part of that academic program in the first place.”
Yes, UNC definitely taught them all about integrity and honesty. Thats what UNC is all about, I mean, look no further than this investigation and how its been handled!
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:51 PM
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WolfPackIsBack wrote: Asked why any former student would return for an extra course, Wheelan said: “Integrity. Honesty. Fairness. You know, all those things we like to think they learned as part of that academic program in the first place.”
Yes, UNC definitely taught them all about integrity and honesty. Thats what UNC is all about, I mean, look no further than this investigation and how its been handled! That crowd over in Chapel Hill is so arrogant and self centered that they do not realize how foolish they sound. I agree with ENC, they are second on saying foolish things only to Joe Biden.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:54 PM
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I'm just tired of his lies. Tired of him and everybody else over there covering their ***. I want somebody to shut the damn place down. Specifically, I want the athletics dept to burn!!!! --------------------------------------------- --- EasternNCstyleBBQueWolf wrote: Fourthepack wrote: Am I the only one that freaking wants to pimp slap Thorpe every time he opens his stupid mouth? Why? Let him keep on talking. So far, everyone from their side that has talked seems to keep burying them a little deeper. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:55 PM
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LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL-THE CAROLINA WAY!!!!!! |
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:08 PM
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What's that quote I've read on here about Carolina's leaders being like cats in a litter box; every time they try to cover a turd, they just uncover a different one?
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:08 PM
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:09 PM
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I cant wait to hear Smokey Glenn discuss this on his show tomorrow.....ohh wait, does this mean Smokey is going back to school also?
"It just keeps coming and coming," Mitchel said. "I wonder who is minding the store."
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:12 PM
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There was nothing in that article that made me feel remotely confident that SACS wants to REALLY get to the bottom of this and PENALIZE the school. I'm all for allowing those students to come back and properly finish their degree (like any of them actually will). But to say in a sideways manner that that's all they really want to happen does not give me faith in their system.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:18 PM
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That's the most embarassing thing I have seen come out of SACS in decades. Bar none.
I like the athletic type.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:19 PM
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But finding those graduates, and having them take extra courses years later, would likely be a monumental undertaking. “I think it would be a huge challenge,” said Thorp, who added that he doesn’t know the number of graduates who took improperly taught African studies classes. Read more here: www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/1...l#storylink=cpyHow hard could it be? Hmm, well let's start a list for Mr. Thorp: Julius Peppers (oops he didn't graduate, not so easy I guess) Vince Carter Tyler Handsboro
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:25 PM
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lumberpack3 wrote: That's the most embarassing thing I have seen come out of SACS in decades. Bar none. It is not that it will leave a mark.... it HAS left a mark. Again...WOW!
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:25 PM
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Assuming that part of the resolution is to provide free classes to affected students, just who is going to pay the bill? The taxpayers of NC? I think it would be interesting if the Rams Club had to pony up.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:26 PM
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“I think it would be a huge challenge,” said Thorp, who added that he doesn’t know the number of graduates who took improperly taught African studies classes.
Thorp should be relieved of his duties and an interim chancellor named by the end of the week.
He is playing a shell game with the public. I would say he's also playing with the NCAA, the BOT & the BOG, but I'm afraid they are all in on the con.
If McCrory really wants to clean up the mess NC is in, he should start at Chapel Hill.
The legislature should initiate an investigation. Someone like Louis Freeh would bring credibility to the state of NC & hold SACs at bay, saving more embarrassment and potential loss of money for the UNC system Posted: 8/12/2012 9:16 PM /RE: UNC: "Test transcript" -- athlete /Let's take the guesswork out of this... / https://www.unc.edu/sis/fsguest/fssumalpha.html |
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:27 PM
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In other news....Roy has weekly encounters with Dean Smith and Jeff Gravely is overly excited about the game on Wed (surprise). WRAL is all over this issue
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:30 PM
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This is a place you would never want NCSU to get . There is no good way out .Academics like you would find at SAC would not talk like that if they did not mean business . Thorpe has some serious explaining to convince them it is not what it appears .
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:32 PM
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The Thorpe solution would be to put an asterisk on all fraudulently gained transcript, which they wouldn't really enforce and could hide behind derpa.
Edit: Er.. FERPA
“We never said it just started in 2007!” -Holden Thorp when confronted with the leak of Julius Peppers' transcript 8/21/2012
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:36 PM
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This is about as tough as SACS gets. Will they void degrees? Doubt it. Then they cannot require students to come back for more courses.
The fact that SACS is making those kinds of statements and sending that type letter is a major black eye for a school with the pretenses that uncch has.
I do not see how the NCAA can ignore this. How they can even bring up APR to any other school if they know that an accrediting agency even looks at voiding degrees at uncch and ignores the kind of fraud that went on at uncch.
“I would still like to get a college degree someday,” he said. “But not at the University of North Carolina. They just wasted my time.”
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:37 PM
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Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:38 PM
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And an asterisk on the banners noting these were acquired by students that need to come back for EXTRA TUTORING ! Maybe we will see Jennifer reappear to help fix the problem under the direction of Thorpe , Prof K and Ms. Crowder .
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:43 PM
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packisbacknow wrote: But finding those graduates, and having them take extra courses years later, would likely be a monumental undertaking.
“I think it would be a huge challenge,” said Thorp, who added that he doesn’t know the number of graduates who took improperly taught African studies classes.
Read more here: www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/1...l#storylink=cpy
How hard could it be? Hmm, well let's start a list for Mr. Thorp:
Julius Peppers (oops he didn't graduate, not so easy I guess)
Vince Carter
Tyler Handsboro No need. Its already on display in the Nose Dome. |
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:44 PM
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Raleighwolf wrote: “I think it would be a huge challenge,” said Thorp, who added that he doesn’t know the number of graduates who took improperly taught African studies classes.
Thorp should be relieved of his duties and an interim chancellor named by the end of the week.
He is playing a shell game with the public. I would say he's also playing with the NCAA, the BOT & the BOG, but I'm afraid they are all in on the con.
If McCrory really wants to clean up the mess NC is in, he should start at Chapel Hill.
The legislature should initiate an investigation. Someone like Louis Freeh would bring credibility to the state of NC & hold SACs at bay, saving more embarrassment and potential loss of money for the UNC system I had the same thought. That letter is a month old and it sounded to me like the BOG was unaware of it. If so, he should be cut loose. That would be another in a LONG sequence of terrible, obstructive decisions that gambled UNC-CHeat's academic reputation. I am curious now to see the SBI report and how it dovetails with SACS' view (if at all).
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:49 PM
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wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal. My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned. Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:01 AM
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Asked why any former student would return for an extra course, Wheelan said: “Integrity. Honesty. Fairness. You know, all those things we like to think they learned as part of that academic program in the first place.”
That's some funny stuff right there!
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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:12 AM
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ProfessorWolf wrote:
wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.
My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned. Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot. excuse me professor, but why would you want someone like this on the faculty. he should be relieved of duty immediately without benefits.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:33 AM
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All you have to say to UNC-Ch graduates
"When you gonna back to CH to validate your degree?"
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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:33 AM
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ProfessorWolf wrote:
lumberpack3 wrote: That's the most embarassing thing I have seen come out of SACS in decades. Bar none.
It is not that it will leave a mark.... it HAS left a mark. Again...WOW! Mark? MARK? More like a tatoo to the face.  I like the athletic type.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:36 AM
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BoognishBockwinkle wrote:
ProfessorWolf wrote:
wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.
My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned. Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot. excuse me professor, but why would you want someone like this on the faculty. he should be relieved of duty immediately without benefits. Good teachers do not always make good adminstrators. Thorpe has been preped to be the fall boy for the better part of a decade. It's just his handlers never thought it would get this bad, but yes he need to step away from the limelight - ala Oblinger. I like the athletic type.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:56 AM
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lumberpack3 wrote:
ProfessorWolf wrote:
lumberpack3 wrote: That's the most embarassing thing I have seen come out of SACS in decades. Bar none.
It is not that it will leave a mark.... it HAS left a mark. Again...WOW!
Mark? MARK?
More like a tatoo to the face. Really, any old tattoo will do..... 
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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:58 AM
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Raleighwolf wrote:
lumberpack3 wrote:
ProfessorWolf wrote:
lumberpack3 wrote: That's the most embarassing thing I have seen come out of SACS in decades. Bar none.
It is not that it will leave a mark.... it HAS left a mark. Again...WOW!
Mark? MARK?
More like a tatoo to the face. Really, any old tattoo will do.....
looks more like a fist print than a tattoo
Bazinga!
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Posted: 2/13/2013 1:05 AM
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I think the last sentence sums up what will happen.
Wheelan said. “But the institution is now addressing it, and that’s what’s important.”
maybe they give them a warning and UNCCheat blames someone no longer there.
drink beer straight from the bottle...brilliant!
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Posted: 2/13/2013 1:50 AM
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They could save the academic reputation of their University quite easily-by simply coming forth and admitting that this is, in fact, an athletic cheating scandal. It seems to me that some serious adults in the State of North Carolina would wisen up and recognize that screwing around with the academic reputation of one of its major Universities to save an athletic department is just plain stupid. Its just so bad and wrong that this is still going on.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 2:02 AM
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I admit this one made me chortle: “ The University of North Carolina cares enormously about its reputation, and this is something that goes to its reputation — specifically around the issue of academic integrity,” Hartle said.
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/12/2675141/acc rediting-agency-wants-clear.html#storylink=cpy
Bazinga!
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Posted: 2/13/2013 2:05 AM
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But, but, but, but, Gov Martin said this is clearly an "Academic Scandal" ccharrison23 wrote: They could save the academic reputation of their University quite easily-by simply coming forth and admitting that this is, in fact, an athletic cheating scandal. It seems to me that some serious adults in the State of North Carolina would wisen up and recognize that screwing around with the academic reputation of one of its major Universities to save an athletic department is just plain stupid. Its just so bad and wrong that this is still going on. |
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Posted: 2/13/2013 2:22 AM
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Just give it up *unc, its over. Bow down and admit it, you will breath much easier. Sometimes even the "great" are defeated. RIP
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Posted: 2/13/2013 6:28 AM
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Raleighwolf wrote:“I think it would be a huge challenge,” said Thorp, who added that he doesn’t know the number of graduates who took improperly taught African studies classes.
Thorp should be relieved of his duties and an interim chancellor named by the end of the week.
He is playing a shell game with the public. I would say he's also playing with the NCAA, the BOT & the BOG, but I'm afraid they are all in on the con.
If McCrory really wants to clean up the mess NC is in, he should start at Chapel Hill.
The legislature should initiate an investigation. Someone like Louis Freeh would bring credibility to the state of NC & hold SACs at bay, saving more embarrassment and potential loss of money for the UNC system Thorpe HAS been relieved of his duties. He IS the interim chancellor. He is simply there to absorb all of the criticism so Mark Emmert can come in with an appearance of being "clean". |
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Posted: 2/13/2013 6:34 AM
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BoognishBockwinkle wrote:
ProfessorWolf wrote:
wolfchicEE wrote: Very very embarrassing for UNCCH.
To the academic types its a big damn deal.
My gut is telling me, if this were my Chancellor, it might be time to encourage him to return to the faculty earlier than planned. Even if that means an interim chancellor, there has to be some public move to indicate positive actions are being taken. It has been one body blow after another and now a head shot. excuse me professor, but why would you want someone like this on the faculty. he should be relieved of duty immediately without benefits. He is returning to the faculty on June 30. My point was maybe Feb 15 would be a better date. It would at least give an appearance things are moving in the right direction.
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