LEHart wrote:

biggoodwolf wrote:

PackMan97 wrote: As a followup to this note, don't focus on NC State...focus instead on all of the UNC system schools being represented. Right now it's all Chapel Hill and hardly anyone else.

Great suggestion.

There currently are 33 members of the BOG. My view of a good distribution would be six to eight each affiliated with UNC-CH, six to eight affiliated with NC State, and six to eight affiliated with one of the other UNC schools. The rest should be well qualified people from business, industry and education who have no affiliation with the UNC system.

The 1971 Higher Education Reorganization Act specified equitable distribution of the first BOG by requiring that it be made up of the following membership:

3 from East Carolina Board of Trustees
2 from Appalacian State BOT
2 NCA&T BOT
2 NC Central BOT
2 Western Carolina BOT
1 Elizabeth City State BOT
1 Fayetteville State BOT
1 UNC School of the Arts BOT
1 Pembroke State BOT
1 Winston Salem State BOT
16 from the  Consolidated BOT representing NCSU, UNC-CH and UNC-G

Since 1971 the distribution has become heavily biased towards UNC-CH at least partly due to GA bias. The GA should use the original distrubution as a guide in getting this board back into balance. Now is a good time for them to start working on it.

partizanpack wrote: I don't give a **** about school allegiance when it comes to the BOG. What I care about is competence.

biggoodwolf wrote:

partizanpack wrote: I don't give a **** about school allegiance when it comes to the BOG. What I care about is competence.

You are correct about competence vs allegiance. However, the two are not mutually exclusive. I don't know of anyone who would advocate putting someone on the BOG who is incompetent, but there are many competent, well qualified people to choose from who are affiliated with NCSU and the other universities.

And as to competence, that hasn't seemed to be a big concern in the past, in view of the glaring incompetence of the BOG as a hole (pun intended.) Many of those on the board are there because of their political leanings and connections. I haven't checked, but I would bet that there are many more UNC grads in the legislature than State or the other schools.

(These numbers exceed the number of members on the BOG because

several members have affiliations with multiple schools.)

biggoodwolf wrote: We need to keep the pressure on the legislators. Several of you have sent emails. I sent another follow-up letter to the Senate co-chairmen using the table provided earlier by jncope. Thanks, cope!

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Dear Senators Soucek and Tillman:

Supplementing my email of yesterday, the chart below shows the distribution of school affiliation for the current UNC BOG. Please share this with the other members of your committee. As you readily can see, a huge imbalance now exists. I understand that competence outweighs any school affiliation consideration, but there are ample competent, well qualified people available who are not affiliated with UNC-CH.

UNC-CH                                      21
NC state                                       6
All other UNC schools combined     9
Not affiliated with UNC schools     13

 

(These numbers exceed the number of members on the BOG because

several members have affiliations with multiple schools.)

 

	Undergraduate	Masters	PhD	JD	DDS
Peter Hans	UNC-CH
H Frank Grainger	Wayne Cty CC
Ann Goodnight	NC State
W. Louis Bissette	WFU	UVA		UNC-CH
John Blackburn	Kings College	Va Tech
Peaches Blank	NC State
Laura Buffaloe	Eliz City State	NCCU	Va Tech
Cameron Carswell	App State
Walter Davenport	Morehouse
James Deal, Jr.	App State			UNC-CH
Phillip Dixon	ECU			UNC-CH
Fred Eshelman	UNC-CH
John Fennebresque	UNC-CH			Vandy
Dudley Flood	NCCU	ECU	Duke
Paul Fulton	UNC-CH
Hannah Gage	UNC-CH
Thomas Harrelson	UNC-CH
James Holhouser	Davidson			UNC-CH
G Leroy Lail	UNC-CH
Mary Ann Maxwell	UNC-CH
Franklin McCain	NC A&T	NC State
W Edwin McMahan	UNC-CH
Charles H Mercer, Jr	UNC-CH
Fred Mills	UNC-CH
Burley Mitchell, Jr.	NC State		NC State	UNC-CH
Hari Nath	Missouri
David Powers	NC State	Campbell
Irvin Roseman	UNC-CH				UNC-CH
Dick Taylor	UNC-CH
Raiford Trask III	UNC-CH
Phillip Walker	WCU
J Bradley Wilson	App State		Duke	WFU
David Young	UNC-CH

Are you looking for an answer other than "Politics"?

Believe it or not, the General Assembly is not made up of a bunch of objective calculating machines with the prime directive of making each decision based on facts and the principal of non-biased justice.

It is a body made up entirely of politicians, most of them with ties to UNC or ECU. What do you really expect?  

SupplyChainPack wrote: Those numbers still blow me away.

How could something that obviously ridiculous have been allowed to happen?

biggoodwolf wrote: We need to keep the pressure on the legislators. Several of you have sent emails. I sent another follow-up letter to the Senate co-chairmen using the table provided earlier by jncope. Thanks, cope!

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Dear Senators Soucek and Tillman:

Supplementing my email of yesterday, the chart below shows the distribution of school affiliation for the current UNC BOG. Please share this with the other members of your committee. As you readily can see, a huge imbalance now exists. I understand that competence outweighs any school affiliation consideration, but there are ample competent, well qualified people available who are not affiliated with UNC-CH.

UNC-CH                                      21
NC state                                       6
All other UNC schools combined     9
Not affiliated with UNC schools     13

 

(These numbers exceed the number of members on the BOG because

several members have affiliations with multiple schools.)

 

	Undergraduate	Masters	PhD	JD	DDS
Peter Hans	UNC-CH
H Frank Grainger	Wayne Cty CC
Ann Goodnight	NC State
W. Louis Bissette	WFU	UVA		UNC-CH
John Blackburn	Kings College	Va Tech
Peaches Blank	NC State
Laura Buffaloe	Eliz City State	NCCU	Va Tech
Cameron Carswell	App State
Walter Davenport	Morehouse
James Deal, Jr.	App State			UNC-CH
Phillip Dixon	ECU			UNC-CH
Fred Eshelman	UNC-CH
John Fennebresque	UNC-CH			Vandy
Dudley Flood	NCCU	ECU	Duke
Paul Fulton	UNC-CH
Hannah Gage	UNC-CH
Thomas Harrelson	UNC-CH
James Holhouser	Davidson			UNC-CH
G Leroy Lail	UNC-CH
Mary Ann Maxwell	UNC-CH
Franklin McCain	NC A&T	NC State
W Edwin McMahan	UNC-CH
Charles H Mercer, Jr	UNC-CH
Fred Mills	UNC-CH
Burley Mitchell, Jr.	NC State		NC State	UNC-CH
Hari Nath	Missouri
David Powers	NC State	Campbell
Irvin Roseman	UNC-CH				UNC-CH
Dick Taylor	UNC-CH
Raiford Trask III	UNC-CH
Phillip Walker	WCU
J Bradley Wilson	App State		Duke	WFU
David Young	UNC-CH

biggoodwolf wrote: 1321wolf wrote:Are you looking for an answer other than "Politics"?

Believe it or not, the General Assembly is not made up of a bunch of objective calculating machines with the prime directive of making each decision based on facts and the principal of non-biased justice.

It is a body made up entirely of politicians, most of them with ties to UNC or ECU. What do you really expect?

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Of course it's politics and yes, we currently have what one would expect from politicians, many of whom are tied in some way to UNC-CH. But does that mean we shouldn't try to get them to be less political? I hope not, but a feeble attempt by a few on this board probably won't get it done.

What needs to happen right away is for us to contact the chairmen of the Senate and House chairmen of the respective Select committees on UNC Board of Governors. Those committees are right now coming up with nominees. If we don't act this week, it probably will be too late for this year and we will see the usual selection of UNC-CH affiliated people.

Here are the contacts:

Rep Tim Moore  tim.moore@ncleg.net
Senator Tom Apodaca  Tom.Apodaca@ncleg.net

1321wolf wrote: How do you make a fundamentally political process be "less political"?

I think what you are actually wanting is to slant the politics towards something you would be more in favor of. That's way different than removing politics entirely, which is impossible.

biggoodwolf wrote: 1321wolf wrote:Are you looking for an answer other than "Politics"?

Believe it or not, the General Assembly is not made up of a bunch of objective calculating machines with the prime directive of making each decision based on facts and the principal of non-biased justice.

It is a body made up entirely of politicians, most of them with ties to UNC or ECU. What do you really expect?

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Of course it's politics and yes, we currently have what one would expect from politicians, many of whom are tied in some way to UNC-CH. But does that mean we shouldn't try to get them to be less political? I hope not, but a feeble attempt by a few on this board probably won't get it done.

What needs to happen right away is for us to contact the chairmen of the Senate and House chairmen of the respective Select committees on UNC Board of Governors. Those committees are right now coming up with nominees. If we don't act this week, it probably will be too late for this year and we will see the usual selection of UNC-CH affiliated people.

Here are the contacts:

Rep Tim Moore  tim.moore@ncleg.net
Senator Tom Apodaca  Tom.Apodaca@ncleg.net

1321wolf wrote: How do you make a fundamentally political process be "less political"?

I think what you are actually wanting is to slant the politics towards something you would be more in favor of. That's way different than removing politics entirely, which is impossible.

biggoodwolf wrote: 1321wolf wrote:Are you looking for an answer other than "Politics"?

Believe it or not, the General Assembly is not made up of a bunch of objective calculating machines with the prime directive of making each decision based on facts and the principal of non-biased justice.

It is a body made up entirely of politicians, most of them with ties to UNC or ECU. What do you really expect?

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Of course it's politics and yes, we currently have what one would expect from politicians, many of whom are tied in some way to UNC-CH. But does that mean we shouldn't try to get them to be less political? I hope not, but a feeble attempt by a few on this board probably won't get it done.

What needs to happen right away is for us to contact the chairmen of the Senate and House chairmen of the respective Select committees on UNC Board of Governors. Those committees are right now coming up with nominees. If we don't act this week, it probably will be too late for this year and we will see the usual selection of UNC-CH affiliated people.

Here are the contacts:

Rep Tim Moore  tim.moore@ncleg.net
Senator Tom Apodaca  Tom.Apodaca@ncleg.net

SupplyChainPack wrote:

1321wolf wrote: How do you make a fundamentally political process be "less political"?

I think what you are actually wanting is to slant the politics towards something you would be more in favor of. That's way different than removing politics entirely, which is impossible.

biggoodwolf wrote: 1321wolf wrote:Are you looking for an answer other than "Politics"?

Believe it or not, the General Assembly is not made up of a bunch of objective calculating machines with the prime directive of making each decision based on facts and the principal of non-biased justice.

It is a body made up entirely of politicians, most of them with ties to UNC or ECU. What do you really expect?

************************

Of course it's politics and yes, we currently have what one would expect from politicians, many of whom are tied in some way to UNC-CH. But does that mean we shouldn't try to get them to be less political? I hope not, but a feeble attempt by a few on this board probably won't get it done.

What needs to happen right away is for us to contact the chairmen of the Senate and House chairmen of the respective Select committees on UNC Board of Governors. Those committees are right now coming up with nominees. If we don't act this week, it probably will be too late for this year and we will see the usual selection of UNC-CH affiliated people.

Here are the contacts:

Rep Tim Moore  tim.moore@ncleg.net
Senator Tom Apodaca  Tom.Apodaca@ncleg.net

You could use a random number generator to select random phone numbers from all of the citizens of NC.   When you got enough people to fill up the slots, then you stop calling.

The results would be terrible, but no politics would be involved.

PretzelPack wrote: This should be based upon student populations. Add them up and weight them according to the aggregate total to get the distribution number. It's really simple until the politics come into play.

biggoodwolf wrote: I decided to solicit help from someone with a lot more clout than any of us... our chancellor. If you would like to do the same, his email is: randy_woodson@ncsu.edu

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Dear Chancellor Woodson:

 

As an alumnus of this fine university, I have an important request to make.

 

Along with many... and I suspect, most... alumni, I am concerned about the gross imbalance in the number of members of the Board of Governors who are affiliated with the various universities in the UNC system, something that has been the case for many years. By my count, there currently are twenty-one members with degrees from UNC - Chapel Hill versus only six from NC State and nine from all other UNC schools combined.

 

I recognize that school affiliation should take a back seat to competence when selecting members. However, I believe there are a sufficient number of competent, well qualified people available for those positions who are not graduates of UNC-CH. I'm sure you can name many such people who have degrees from NC State, and I hope you will do so.

 

There are two committees that, as I write, are selecting this year's nominees for the BOG. Representative Tim Moore is chairman of the House Select Committee on Board of Governors Nominating. Senator Apodaca is chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Board of Governors.

 

My request is this. Please contact these legislators and anyone else you think appropriate about this matter. I see no reason that this unnecessary imbalance should continue. I would appreciate your help in trying to get this problem corrected.

 

Sincerely,

lumberpack3 wrote:
  

I really don't think UNC-Ch and NCSU should share the same BOG.  But how do you split?

lumberpack3 wrote:

  

I really don't think UNC-Ch and NCSU should share the same BOG.  But how do you split?

biggoodwolf wrote: In case anyone is interested... and it appears that most of you couldn't care less, the House Select committee on UNC Board of Governors Nominating is meeting tomorrow, 2/26 at 1:00 in the Legislative building to discuss nominees for the BOG. I plan to attend. I hope some of you will. It's our chance to try to get a better balance on the BOG.

0newolf wrote:

biggoodwolf wrote: In case anyone is interested... and it appears that most of you couldn't care less, the House Select committee on UNC Board of Governors Nominating is meeting tomorrow, 2/26 at 1:00 in the Legislative building to discuss nominees for the BOG. I plan to attend. I hope some of you will. It's our chance to try to get a better balance on the BOG.

Is Nelson Dollar on that committee?  I know him personal - will give him a call prior to get the skinny, if he's on it...

NCSU4GOP wrote: Let's just say the latest word going around the General Assembly this week is that any graduate from UNC doesn't have a chance of getting nominated.

Gonzo18 wrote: james(?) holmes and patrick pope nominated in committee today

biggoodwolf wrote: Update February 26: Here are 16 names being sent to the NC House as potential nominees for the UNC BOG. Eight of these will be nominated and voted on by the full House, probably within a week or two. I don't yet have any specific info on these, but I'm working on it. If you know about any of these, especially where they got their degrees, feel free to post it... just be accurate, please.

Fred Mills, Sr.

James Edward (Jim) Nance

George A. Sywassink, Jr.

Roger Aiken

Rodney Hood

R. Doyle Parrish

James Marvin Barnes (Jimmy)

James M. Deal, Jr.

Walter C. Davenport

Yvonne Thomas Knott, III

Henry Williams Hinton

William Graham Champion Mitchell

Irvin Roseman

Dr. Joan Perry

Muriel W. Sheubrooks

Laura Wiley

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Most of us have been upset and complaining for years about so many members of the UNC BOG being graduates of or in some way affiliated with UNC at Chapel Hill. At present, I believe it's 23 vs only 5 affiliated with NC State. Well now is the time to try to do something about it.

Two committees have been established in the NC legislature, one in the House and one in the Senate, to make nominations for new members to be appointed this year. I'm not sure how many there are, but it will be several. These committees, or at lease the Senate committee, will be meeting this week to adopt a resolution setting forth the process and timeline for nominations and elections.

The links below will take you to the respective committee pages where members names are listed. The chairman of the Senate committee is Senator Tom Apodaca from Hendersonville. Chairman of the House committee is Tim Moore of Kings Mountain.

Please contact as many of these members as you can to express your concern with the gross imbalance in membership on the BOG and your desire for them to begin immediately correcting this long-standing problem. Even if every member appointed this year were a graduate of NC State, it would not come close to erasing the imbalance, but it would be a good start. The important thing is to let them know that a lot of voters care about this situation and expect them to correct it.

Phone calls work best, but use emails if you don't have time to call.

Senate

House

Laura Ives Wiley is a Republican and former member of the North Carolina House of Representatives. She represented the state's 61st legislative district, which at the time encompassed southwestern Guilford County, a majority of the city of High Point , the town of Jamestown, and the unincorporated area of Sedgefield. [1] She was first elected to the North Carolina General Assembly in 2004 after defeating eight-term Republican incumbent Steve Wood in a primary election. [2] Wiley won an uncontested race in 2006, [3] and defeated primary challenger George Ragsdale in 2008. [4] She chose not to run for re-election in 2010 and is now retired from elected public office. She remains active in political and community activites, serving on the WAR Memorial Foundation Board of Directors, the High Point Housing Authority Board of Commissioners, and the Senior Resources of Guilford Board of Directors.

Wiley had previously served on the High Point city council since 2002, and before that was an active volunteer for both the High Point and Guilford County Republican Parties.^[5] She serves on the North Carolina Republican Party's Executive Committee and on the North Carolina 6th U.S. Congressional District Committee.^[6] She is a retired educator who worked in Ohio and Tennessee schools prior to moving to North Carolina in 1997.^[7] Born in Twenty-Nine Palms, CA, she is the daughter of a career United States Marine Corps officer. She is a graduate of the University of Tennessee with a B.S. in Education. [8]

packmanncsu wrote:

Laura Wiley, I knew I recognized the name, former elected official in High Point and at the State level.  From Wiki:

Laura Ives Wiley is a Republican and former member of the North Carolina House of Representatives. She represented the state's 61st legislative district, which at the time encompassed southwestern Guilford County, a majority of the city of High Point , the town of Jamestown, and the unincorporated area of Sedgefield. [1] She was first elected to the North Carolina General Assembly in 2004 after defeating eight-term Republican incumbent Steve Wood in a primary election. [2] Wiley won an uncontested race in 2006, [3] and defeated primary challenger George Ragsdale in 2008. [4] She chose not to run for re-election in 2010 and is now retired from elected public office. She remains active in political and community activites, serving on the WAR Memorial Foundation Board of Directors, the High Point Housing Authority Board of Commissioners, and the Senior Resources of Guilford Board of Directors.

Wiley had previously served on the High Point city council since 2002, and before that was an active volunteer for both the High Point and Guilford County Republican Parties.^[5] She serves on the North Carolina Republican Party's Executive Committee and on the North Carolina 6th U.S. Congressional District Committee.^[6] She is a retired educator who worked in Ohio and Tennessee schools prior to moving to North Carolina in 1997.^[7] Born in Twenty-Nine Palms, CA, she is the daughter of a career United States Marine Corps officer. She is a graduate of the University of Tennessee with a B.S. in Education. [8]

Wasn't the right Rodney Hood.