ISEWolfpack2010 wrote: Well, I guess I'm in the minority that thinks having Leslie back next year would be huge for this team. I would actually rather have Leslie return than Zo.

We've already seen that Lewis will be a good PG and has the potential to be great. Purvis is having the typical freshmen struggles right now but will probably be one of the better 2 guards in the league next season once he gets a little stronger, finishes better around the rim, and gets a little more experience. Cat Barber will come in backing these guys up... That gives us one of the most well rounded back courts in the ACC and if Barber is everything he is cracked up to be we will have plenty of depth at 1 and 2.

Things get uglier in the frontcourt which is where Leslie could add a go to option and experience. Warren will be an excellent fit @ 3 (assuming he improves his defense) but can he go for 35+ minutes a game if we don't land a suitable backup? Anya will have big shoes to fill in replacing Howell but he seems perfectly suited for the job. The problem is if Leslie doesn't come back we have only Washington to fill in @ 4. Two freshmen down low with potentially NO depth. That alone prevents us from being a legitimate title contender.

IF Leslie returns our first seven look like this:
PG: Lewis
SG: Purvis
SF: Warren
PF: Leslie
C: Anya
Backcourt 3rd: Barber
Frontcourt 4th: Washington

That's a damn good first 7 with only one freshmen expected to start. Without Leslie we would be without a single upperclassmen, with almost no depth, leaning on two freshmen starters to carry the load down low and get boards.... not good.

I'm not expecting him to come back but would be thrilled if he did. Personally, I think he would work his *** off knowing it's gut check time and the last chance he has to improve his draft stock.

next year's team would need a randle type more than a leslie type, remember howell is graduating

warren is the finesse guy that leslie tries to be

it's been my opinion for awhile that leslie on one low block and howell on the other  is probably our best offensive set up. allows leslie to get put back rebounds/points.  gets leslie closer to the goal ,where he can score with one spin move or pivot,and gives him less room to turn the ball over trying to dribble

if either is successful, the pass back out to wood should be cake food.

JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...

CRAZY.

I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post.

ISEWolfpack2010 wrote:

83grad wrote:

Bryanth1a wrote:

Sec17WufPacker wrote:

JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...

CRAZY.

I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post.

Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now.

No way in hell.  Many, and I mean many, felt Rodney Purvis would be an upgrade over CJ Williams.  How do you like 'dem apples now? 

FWIW, I felt TDT would be equal to or greater than DeShawn Painter.  

ETA:  You're talking about the NBA.  I thought you were talking about NC State.

Are you comparing the freshman version of CJW to RP?

No, and I think that's his point. A freshmen Randle is still a freshmen. People just assume a talented freshmen will come in and replace a mediocre upperclassmen with little to no downside... this is almost never the truth. Thinking Randle will come in and be as productive as CJL is insane, I think that's what Bryant is getting at.

Sadly, I'm sure there are people on this board that think Anya and Washington will come in next year and replace Howell and Leslie just fine... They will be disappointed.

matt1990 wrote: Most talented starting five in the NCAA next year...

PG Brown
SG Purvis
SF Warren
PF Leslie
High Post Randle

... is not going to happen lol. But one CAN dream.

SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Not sure why we're even talking about Leslie coming back. It ain't happening so no point in talking about it. CJL a big reason this team had such a quick turnaround and made the Sweet 16 last year and some of you people saying you want him gone and can't wait until he is gone? Guess what...




You're not fans, you're ******* **********.

SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Not sure why we're even talking about Leslie coming back. It ain't happening so no point in talking about it. CJL a big reason this team had such a quick turnaround and made the Sweet 16 last year and some of you people saying you want him gone and can't wait until he is gone? Guess what...




You're not fans, you're ******* **********.

packbacker12 wrote: I dont care when and where Leslie goes, as long as he goes..Seen enough laziness and lack of effort.. he turns the ball over and pouts rather than run back on defense....See ya CJL

Redbug22 wrote: Let's see, he gutted up and played through illness on a night when we sorely needed him, he's averaged 14 points and 8 boards in 11 games since Duke, including 5 double/doubles. Those numbers include the turd he laid Saturday.

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SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Not sure why we're even talking about Leslie coming back. It ain't happening so no point in talking about it. CJL a big reason this team had such a quick turnaround and made the Sweet 16 last year and some of you people saying you want him gone and can't wait until he is gone? Guess what...




You're not fans, you're ******* **********.

Hate to pee in your corn flakes, but this is a "What have you done for me lately" world.  That is especially true in collegiate and pro' athletics.   Folks have short memories.  Not saying you're wrong.   Just pointing out reality.     What has CJ done on the court since beating Duke and EweNC in Raleigh?

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GrandWolf wrote: He's also averaging over 3 turnovers a game and barely over 50% fg percentage.    All this while shooting close in, or in his case, throwing )*O& up and the woofin' at the ref's when he doesn't get a call.  His assist mark per game is barely over 1 pg.   That to me is pathetic when teams are collapsing on him and Wood, et al are standing out there wide open.     What the stat's don't show is the peek-a-boo effect where he disappears at key times during games.  Especially on the road.

Look.  I'm not denying Calvin isn't a great talent.  He's one the best talents we've ever had.  It is just frustrating that his improvement on maximizing his skills during games, especially on the road, have cost this team some W's.

His talent has been slap wasted relative to its potential.

Redbug22 wrote: Let's see, he gutted up and played through illness on a night when we sorely needed him, he's averaged 14 points and 8 boards in 11 games since Duke, including 5 double/doubles. Those numbers include the turd he laid Saturday.

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SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Not sure why we're even talking about Leslie coming back. It ain't happening so no point in talking about it. CJL a big reason this team had such a quick turnaround and made the Sweet 16 last year and some of you people saying you want him gone and can't wait until he is gone? Guess what...




You're not fans, you're ******* **********.

Hate to pee in your corn flakes, but this is a "What have you done for me lately" world.  That is especially true in collegiate and pro' athletics.   Folks have short memories.  Not saying you're wrong.   Just pointing out reality.     What has CJ done on the court since beating Duke and EweNC in Raleigh?

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state95 wrote:

packbacker12 wrote: I dont care when and where Leslie goes, as long as he goes..Seen enough laziness and lack of effort.. he turns the ball over and pouts rather than run back on defense....See ya CJL

You're crazy if you think he has had a lack of effort.  He's made a ton of mistakes, but they weren't from a lack of effort.  Sometimes, he's trying too hard.

DJ9686 wrote:

state95 wrote:

packbacker12 wrote: I dont care when and where Leslie goes, as long as he goes..Seen enough laziness and lack of effort.. he turns the ball over and pouts rather than run back on defense....See ya CJL

You're crazy if you think he has had a lack of effort.  He's made a ton of mistakes, but they weren't from a lack of effort.  Sometimes, he's trying too hard.

sometimes he's playing with his ego and not his brain.

StateFan2001 wrote: The lack of effort isn't necessarily coming on the offensive end ... it is the defensive end and rebounding. Maybe it isn't even lack of effort on defense, you could also call it lack of attention to detail. This is what bugs the **** out of me. The guy rarely rotates on defense to help when someone is beat off of the dribble and never boxes out.

Offensively, as suggested, he has to get back to keeping people honest by hitting some jumpers. The bull in a china shop offense just isn't overly effective.

The other thing I would like to see is more spreading of the floor. We have guys whose biggest asset is their quickness and ability to beat someone off of the dribble and get to the bucket (Brown, Purvis, Leslie), yet we are stuck in this UCLA offense where we just toss it into the paint and let someone go 1 on 3. I think we make better use of our talent by spreading the floor and going to more dribble drive with this group. Let Howell pound the boards and Wood spot up for 3 when the help comes on the dribble drive. We make it very difficult for Wood to get open looks because the offense is so static.

StateFan2001 wrote: The lack of effort isn't necessarily coming on the offensive end ... it is the defensive end and rebounding. Maybe it isn't even lack of effort on defense, you could also call it lack of attention to detail. This is what bugs the **** out of me. The guy rarely rotates on defense to help when someone is beat off of the dribble and never boxes out.

Offensively, as suggested, he has to get back to keeping people honest by hitting some jumpers. The bull in a china shop offense just isn't overly effective.

The other thing I would like to see is more spreading of the floor. We have guys whose biggest asset is their quickness and ability to beat someone off of the dribble and get to the bucket (Brown, Purvis, Leslie), yet we are stuck in this UCLA offense where we just toss it into the paint and let someone go 1 on 3. I think we make better use of our talent by spreading the floor and going to more dribble drive with this group. Let Howell pound the boards and Wood spot up for 3 when the help comes on the dribble drive. We make it very difficult for Wood to get open looks because the offense is so static.

redterrors04 wrote:

StateFan2001 wrote: The lack of effort isn't necessarily coming on the offensive end ... it is the defensive end and rebounding. Maybe it isn't even lack of effort on defense, you could also call it lack of attention to detail. This is what bugs the **** out of me. The guy rarely rotates on defense to help when someone is beat off of the dribble and never boxes out.

Offensively, as suggested, he has to get back to keeping people honest by hitting some jumpers. The bull in a china shop offense just isn't overly effective.

The other thing I would like to see is more spreading of the floor. We have guys whose biggest asset is their quickness and ability to beat someone off of the dribble and get to the bucket (Brown, Purvis, Leslie), yet we are stuck in this UCLA offense where we just toss it into the paint and let someone go 1 on 3. I think we make better use of our talent by spreading the floor and going to more dribble drive with this group. Let Howell pound the boards and Wood spot up for 3 when the help comes on the dribble drive. We make it very difficult for Wood to get open looks because the offense is so static.

I agree...I see a lot of coaching issues here

StateFan2001 wrote: ^last year we had more than 1 shooter. We had Wood, Johnson, Painter, and Williams that could all hit a jumper. We now have Wood. The makeup is different this year. The offense just doesn't encourage the dribble drive, which is the kind of talent we have this year. I am not suggesting that we scrap the UCLA offense at this point in the season ... just like to see us mix it up a little bit more.

jds0881 wrote:

StateFan2001 wrote: ^last year we had more than 1 shooter. We had Wood, Johnson, Painter, and Williams that could all hit a jumper. We now have Wood. The makeup is different this year. The offense just doesn't encourage the dribble drive, which is the kind of talent we have this year. I am not suggesting that we scrap the UCLA offense at this point in the season ... just like to see us mix it up a little bit more.

I agree Id like to see a little bit more of pick and roll stuff.

Sec17WufPacker wrote:

jds0881 wrote:

StateFan2001 wrote: ^last year we had more than 1 shooter. We had Wood, Johnson, Painter, and Williams that could all hit a jumper. We now have Wood. The makeup is different this year. The offense just doesn't encourage the dribble drive, which is the kind of talent we have this year. I am not suggesting that we scrap the UCLA offense at this point in the season ... just like to see us mix it up a little bit more.

I agree Id like to see a little bit more of pick and roll stuff.

Its a little frustrating that only guard that sets screens in the paint for bigs...is Tyler Lewis. Clearly the smartest player we have.

Redbug22 wrote: Let's see, he gutted up and played through illness on a night when we sorely needed him, he's averaged 14 points and 8 boards in 11 games since Duke, including 5 double/doubles. Those numbers include the turd he laid Saturday.

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SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Not sure why we're even talking about Leslie coming back. It ain't happening so no point in talking about it. CJL a big reason this team had such a quick turnaround and made the Sweet 16 last year and some of you people saying you want him gone and can't wait until he is gone? Guess what...




You're not fans, you're ******* **********.

Hate to pee in your corn flakes, but this is a "What have you done for me lately" world.  That is especially true in collegiate and pro' athletics.   Folks have short memories.  Not saying you're wrong.   Just pointing out reality.     What has CJ done on the court since beating Duke and EweNC in Raleigh?

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wolfer79 wrote: I get confused on the draft rules

is the NBA the league with the deadline to submit your name, get an evaluation, and then decide to stay in draft or is that NFL?

OBXtriwolf wrote: You guys who don't want CJ back must not have suffered through the last 20+ years of crappy basketball. With losing Howell and Wood, CJ and Lo coming back are our best chance to be good next year. CJ appears to be going through a slump and he looks like he's really trying but maybe too hard. I't would be so awesome if he comes back.
BTW it's sounding like we're a long shot for Randle.

seawolftoo wrote:

OBXtriwolf wrote: You guys who don't want CJ back must not have suffered through the last 20+ years of crappy basketball. With losing Howell and Wood, CJ and Lo coming back are our best chance to be good next year. CJ appears to be going through a slump and he looks like he's really trying but maybe too hard. I't would be so awesome if he comes back.
BTW it's sounding like we're a long shot for Randle.

Heck yeah...........

Bryanth1a wrote:

StateFan2001 wrote: The lack of effort isn't necessarily coming on the offensive end ... it is the defensive end and rebounding. Maybe it isn't even lack of effort on defense, you could also call it lack of attention to detail. This is what bugs the **** out of me. The guy rarely rotates on defense to help when someone is beat off of the dribble and never boxes out.

Offensively, as suggested, he has to get back to keeping people honest by hitting some jumpers. The bull in a china shop offense just isn't overly effective.

The other thing I would like to see is more spreading of the floor. We have guys whose biggest asset is their quickness and ability to beat someone off of the dribble and get to the bucket (Brown, Purvis, Leslie), yet we are stuck in this UCLA offense where we just toss it into the paint and let someone go 1 on 3. I think we make better use of our talent by spreading the floor and going to more dribble drive with this group. Let Howell pound the boards and Wood spot up for 3 when the help comes on the dribble drive. We make it very difficult for Wood to get open looks because the offense is so static.

You shut your whore mouth.

Sincerely,
John Wooden

TnOLogisticsPack00 wrote: Hard to imagine people want Leslie gone. Please pass the crazy pills, I'll have a handful.