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Posted: 2/25/2013 11:48 AM
Re: Brown & Leslie and the NBA? (Howell & Wood, too)
I think they'll both be back.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 11:56 AM
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I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 11:58 AM
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JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:13 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- Sec17WufPacker wrote: JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. --------------------------------------------- How about both? ;-) |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:17 PM
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Sec17WufPacker wrote:
JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. No way in hell. Many, and I mean many, felt Rodney Purvis would be an upgrade over CJ Williams. How do you like 'dem apples now? FWIW, I felt TDT would be equal to or greater than DeShawn Painter.  ETA: You're talking about the NBA. I thought you were talking about NC State. "If you want the truth, ask me".
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:21 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- Bryanth1a wrote: Sec17WufPacker wrote:
JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. No way in hell. Many, and I mean many, felt Rodney Purvis would be an upgrade over CJ Williams. How do you like 'dem apples now? FWIW, I felt TDT would be equal to or greater than DeShawn Painter. --------------------------------------------- Plus, Leslie is averaging 16+ on a well balanced (scoring-wise) team. I'll take that again next year. Minus the bearded one, we'll need experience down low. We can't depend on every freshman class to give us as much as this year's class has. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:26 PM
Re: Brown & Leslie and the NBA? (Howell & Wood, too)
From what I have seen from the NBA, I honestly think that Wood will have the longest NBA career. Light's out shooters always find a place on NBA teams. Think Jason Richardson and Ray Allen the latter part of their careers. Kyle Koerver, Steve Novak and Matt Bonner come to mind as guys with limited skill sets, but could knock down the 3.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:30 PM
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Sec17WufPacker wrote:
jds0881 wrote:
PicklePacker wrote: I think Leslie is planning on flipping on the switch come tournament time like he did last year. There's only one problem with that plan. Other teams players have spent the entire season working "as a team" getting better and while he might be able to turn it on and make us a better team, he won't be nearly as effective and our team won't be nearly as good as if he had turned it on from day one. And suppose he tries to flick the switch and it doesn't come on one game and we're done, seasons over. Leslie's struggles Saturday had nothing to do with his effort. Keep telling yourself that. I know a couple people close to the team, and problem #1 was Leslie's effort. When the says in the post game interview that LESLIE HAS TO STEP UP, that is 100 percent indication of his lack of effort.
Here is the thing about basketball, you don't have to score to be effective or to change the game. Leslie could have played hard nosed defense and rebounded, and would have ended up having a good game. However, he sulked, stop playing, and choked. CJ just seems to shut down he's ineffective driving/shooting on the offensive end. Top players find other ways to contribute - hit the offensive boards to get a stick back or foul, play w/greater intensity on the defensive end, pick up a charge, etc. But w/CJ - he just seems to shut down on all other aspects when his offense isn't working out for him. It's frustrating as he has such great physical tools to be a strong defender - there's hardly any 6'8" guys that has his quickness and leaping ability but plays fundamentally weak. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:34 PM
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JSaw1 wrote:
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Sec17WufPacker wrote:
JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. No way in hell. Many, and I mean many, felt Rodney Purvis would be an upgrade over CJ Williams. How do you like 'dem apples now?
FWIW, I felt TDT would be equal to or greater than DeShawn Painter.
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Plus, Leslie is averaging 16+ on a well balanced (scoring-wise) team. I'll take that again next year. Minus the bearded one, we'll need experience down low. We can't depend on every freshman class to give us as much as this year's class has. Anyone thinking we'll be better off without Leslie next year should have their posting privileges revoked. The guy had a bad game...jebus...it happens. Where would we have been in the Tourney last year without him? __________________________________
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:38 PM
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TexasWolfpack wrote:
Sec17WufPacker wrote:
jds0881 wrote:
PicklePacker wrote: I think Leslie is planning on flipping on the switch come tournament time like he did last year. There's only one problem with that plan. Other teams players have spent the entire season working "as a team" getting better and while he might be able to turn it on and make us a better team, he won't be nearly as effective and our team won't be nearly as good as if he had turned it on from day one. And suppose he tries to flick the switch and it doesn't come on one game and we're done, seasons over. Leslie's struggles Saturday had nothing to do with his effort. Keep telling yourself that. I know a couple people close to the team, and problem #1 was Leslie's effort. When the says in the post game interview that LESLIE HAS TO STEP UP, that is 100 percent indication of his lack of effort.
Here is the thing about basketball, you don't have to score to be effective or to change the game. Leslie could have played hard nosed defense and rebounded, and would have ended up having a good game. However, he sulked, stop playing, and choked. CJ just seems to shut down he's ineffective driving/shooting on the offensive end. Top players find other ways to contribute - hit the offensive boards to get a stick back or foul, play w/greater intensity on the defensive end, pick up a charge, etc. But w/CJ - he just seems to shut down on all other aspects when his offense isn't working out for him. It's frustrating as he has such great physical tools to be a strong defender - there's hardly any 6'8" guys that has his quickness and leaping ability but plays fundamentally weak. See Julius Hodge. He was a team player. He'd a given anything to have Leslie's talent. Hodge just hated to lose. He loved the Wolfpack and still does. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:41 PM
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Blaze13 wrote: From what I have seen from the NBA, I honestly think that Wood will have the longest NBA career. Light's out shooters always find a place on NBA teams. Think Jason Richardson and Ray Allen the latter part of their careers. Kyle Koerver, Steve Novak and Matt Bonner come to mind as guys with limited skill sets, but could knock down the 3. Agree. If you can do just one thing exceptionally well, be it defend, rebound, shoot, whatever...and I don't mean really well...I mean exceptionally well, you will always find a spot on an NBA roster. Wood may not be drafted, but don't be surprised if he does have a longer NBA career than some others on our current roster. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:42 PM
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^^ People are built and wired different ways - the quicker you accept that the easier it will be to understand
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:50 PM
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Drlada wrote: ^^ People are built and wired different ways - the quicker you accept that the easier it will be to understand Exactly. Julius had a lot of self-discipline and internal motivation. He was well-schooled and driven to reach the NBA to make a better life for his family, specifically his nephew. IMO that greatly fueled his work ethic and passion for the game. To be honest with you, when it became clear he would not have the NBA career he planned, I thought he'd become a recluse. He appeared to have this "It's NBA or Bust" mentality. "If you want the truth, ask me". |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:11 PM
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Brown coming back would be ideal. I'm a 50/50 about Leslie. He reminds me so much o Shackleford from my college days. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:22 PM
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This place is gonna have a meltdown if Randle decides to not attend NC State, which I hope isn't the case
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Posted: 2/25/2013 1:35 PM
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Shack got up for the big games as I remember,carried the water against Duke for sure, unguardable and a hussling fool. On the flip side, it was the 3 pts/ 2 reb's and fouled out with 15 mins to go against ECU, or UNCW that was so vexing about him.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 2:00 PM
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We don't come close to winning many of our games this year including Duke without him either. --------------------------------------------- --- grantwolf wrote: JSaw1 wrote:
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--- Bryanth1a wrote:
Sec17WufPacker wrote:
JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. No way in hell. Many, and I mean many, felt Rodney Purvis would be an upgrade over CJ Williams. How do you like 'dem apples now?
FWIW, I felt TDT would be equal to or greater than DeShawn Painter.
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Plus, Leslie is averaging 16+ on a well balanced (scoring-wise) team. I'll take that again next year. Minus the bearded one, we'll need experience down low. We can't depend on every freshman class to give us as much as this year's class has. Anyone thinking we'll be better off without Leslie next year should have their posting privileges revoked. The guy had a bad game...jebus...it happens. Where would we have been in the Tourney last year without him? --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 2:17 PM
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Exactly. Calvin is a critical piece to this team. Without him, we are sitting about where VA TECH is right now. No doubt about it. Calvin will step up from here on out. Guaran damn Tee it. packfootball27 wrote:
We don't come close to winning many of our games this year including Duke without him either.
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JSaw1 wrote:
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--- Bryanth1a wrote:
Sec17WufPacker wrote:
JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. No way in hell. Many, and I mean many, felt Rodney Purvis would be an upgrade over CJ Williams. How do you like 'dem apples now?
FWIW, I felt TDT would be equal to or greater than DeShawn Painter.
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Plus, Leslie is averaging 16+ on a well balanced (scoring-wise) team. I'll take that again next year. Minus the bearded one, we'll need experience down low. We can't depend on every freshman class to give us as much as this year's class has.
Anyone thinking we'll be better off without Leslie next year should have their posting privileges revoked. The guy had a bad game...jebus...it happens. Where would we have been in the Tourney last year without him?
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Posted: 2/25/2013 2:20 PM
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Drooski wrote: This place is gonna have a meltdown if Randle decides to not attend NC State, which I hope isn't the case Not saying you are wrong about the PP meltdown, but Randle has to be considered somewhat of a longshot. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 2:21 PM
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I think Brown will have the best NBA career. He's got size, good handle, and his shot will improve. I think he's gone.
Calvin is lacking the size/body to play the PF/C position and the outside shot of a SF. I don't see his stock rising with another year.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 2:28 PM
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BuffettPack wrote:
Drooski wrote: This place is gonna have a meltdown if Randle decides to not attend NC State, which I hope isn't the case
Not saying you are wrong about the PP meltdown, but Randle has to be considered somewhat of a longshot. Yep, after what I've read on here I'd be more surprised if he did choose us over KU and after Amile Jefferson I don't think we're building things up like that again. "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift and that's why they call it 'the present', so enjoy it."--Alice Morse Earle via Mike Ditka |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 2:31 PM
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I don't expect Leslie or Zo to come back, not sure why anyone else does either.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 2:34 PM
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Don't worry Calvin, after the BC game, Pack Pride will reanoint you as NBA worthy.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 2:54 PM
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Bryanth1a wrote: Don't worry Calvin, after the BC game, Pack Pride will reanoint you as NBA worthy. I won't be doing that. I thought he had turned the corner--without stepping on the end line--and was NBA ready. He's really regressed mentally this year. "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift and that's why they call it 'the present', so enjoy it."--Alice Morse Earle via Mike Ditka |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 2:56 PM
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Bryanth1a wrote: Don't worry Calvin, after the BC game, Pack Pride will reanoint you as NBA worthy. NOPE, been saying it since the first month of the season and will continue to do so, CJ Leslie is not NBA ready and a game against BC will not change my mind, even if he scores 40 and has 20 rebounds. "Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:00 PM
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Just because you're in your 4th year doesn't mean you can't improve your draft stock. Mason Plumlee would have been a fringe 1st rounder last year and has turned himself into a fringe lottery pick this season.
SABOTAGE!!!
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:00 PM
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Sigh...I was hoping to wait until the end of the year to jump on this.
Brown - I feel like in 3 years, NBA fans are going to look at him and wonder why he wasn't a top-5 college basketball player. His combo of style and size is custom-made for the pro game. His potential ranges somewhere from Vasquez to right below Westbrook.
Leslie - Somebody is going to take a look at his athleticism and pull the trigger in the first round with the assumption that he can be turned into an NBA 3. How well that works is entirely up to him. Consistent jump shot, better footwork, left hand and some defensive fundamentals are all he needs ;). He has all the tools.
Wood - Entirely depends on the situation that he falls into. Luckily, he probably won't be drafted and will have the ability to ****** a few teams and decide which one to try to sign with. I think he will have a decently long career as a role player.
Beard - ditto to the above, only a different role. It's easy to throw out DeJuan Blair as the comparison, but he's almost the exception that proves the rule. However, his game at Duke hints that he may very well have an entirely different facet to this game that we really haven't seen much of. He could very well be costing himself NBA dollars by consistently doing the dirty work that we need. I hope if that's the case, he gets rewarded with the right opportunity.
Jevoni - future HOF
LOL at the board software. Wood isn't going to do anything dirty to an NBA team. He's going to A-S-S-E-S-S them.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:04 PM
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Howell seems like a Celtic type player. The seem to have a history of getting the hard working, not necessarily so athletic kind of player and getting the most out of them.
"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift and that's why they call it 'the present', so enjoy it."--Alice Morse Earle via Mike Ditka |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:19 PM
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Well, I guess I'm in the minority that thinks having Leslie back next year would be huge for this team. I would actually rather have Leslie return than Zo.
We've already seen that Lewis will be a good PG and has the potential to be great. Purvis is having the typical freshmen struggles right now but will probably be one of the better 2 guards in the league next season once he gets a little stronger, finishes better around the rim, and gets a little more experience. Cat Barber will come in backing these guys up... That gives us one of the most well rounded back courts in the ACC and if Barber is everything he is cracked up to be we will have plenty of depth at 1 and 2.
Things get uglier in the frontcourt which is where Leslie could add a go to option and experience. Warren will be an excellent fit @ 3 (assuming he improves his defense) but can he go for 35+ minutes a game if we don't land a suitable backup? Anya will have big shoes to fill in replacing Howell but he seems perfectly suited for the job. The problem is if Leslie doesn't come back we have only Washington to fill in @ 4. Two freshmen down low with potentially NO depth. That alone prevents us from being a legitimate title contender.
IF Leslie returns our first seven look like this:
PG: Lewis
SG: Purvis
SF: Warren
PF: Leslie
C: Anya
Backcourt 3rd: Barber
Frontcourt 4th: Washington
That's a damn good first 7 with only one freshmen expected to start. Without Leslie we would be without a single upperclassmen, with almost no depth, leaning on two freshmen starters to carry the load down low and get boards.... not good.
I'm not expecting him to come back but would be thrilled if he did. Personally, I think he would work his *** off knowing it's gut check time and the last chance he has to improve his draft stock.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:22 PM
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BuffettPack wrote:
Drooski wrote: This place is gonna have a meltdown if Randle decides to not attend NC State, which I hope isn't the case
Not saying you are wrong about the PP meltdown, but Randle has to be considered somewhat of a longshot. I agree. Especially if you read between the lines from last week. Gott and Early visit Randle to gauge current interest. The same week they offer a PF from Oak Hill (Freeman). Have to think that the staff has their doubts and don't want to be "left at the altar" again like last year with AJ. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:22 PM
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^Don't forget Turner. If Leslie doesn't come back, I think we'll see Warren playing the 4 with Turner at the 3.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:27 PM
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I don't get how anyone can comment on someone else's mental status. How has he "really mentally regressed" This is his stat line from last year and this year 2011-2012 2012-2013 Min, PPG, RPG, APG, FG% and FT% are up this year vs last SPG, BPG, and TPG(higher is bad) are down He is playing more minutes per game, probably due to being in less foul trouble(its not kept as a metric on ESPN), he is shooting a better overall pct and better free throw pct. He has more turnovers pergame and fewer blocks and steals. For any one of these items that someone could argue that his focus is lacking I could point to a similar stat that would point to his focus being better. DJ9686 wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote: Don't worry Calvin, after the BC game, Pack Pride will reanoint you as NBA worthy.
I won't be doing that. I thought he had turned the corner--without stepping on the end line--and was NBA ready. He's really regressed mentally this year. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:33 PM
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Bryanth1a wrote:
Sec17WufPacker wrote:
JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. No way in hell. Many, and I mean many, felt Rodney Purvis would be an upgrade over CJ Williams. How do you like 'dem apples now?
FWIW, I felt TDT would be equal to or greater than DeShawn Painter.
ETA: You're talking about the NBA. I thought you were talking about NC State. Are you comparing the freshman version of CJW to RP? ___________________________________________________________________
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:42 PM
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Maybe I should have said maturity level instead of mental. But either way it is obvious a player is in some way not using his head when he keeps making the same mistakes the same way over and over again and doesn't realize what he is doing is detrimental to the team. He has multiple travels or steps out of bounce each game recently and until the UNC game he wouldn't pass it no matter where he received the ball on the court. Don't forget if not for a timely TO by Gott we would have lost a game last week. So I don't know if stubbornness and selfish play is a mental or maturity level deal, but it's obvious enough by his actions those things are going on. 94wolfpack wrote: I don't get how anyone can comment on someone else's mental status.
How has he "really mentally regressed"
This is his stat line from last year and this year
2011-2012
2012-2013
Min, PPG, RPG, APG, FG% and FT% are up this year vs last
SPG, BPG, and TPG(higher is bad) are down
He is playing more minutes per game, probably due to being in less foul trouble(its not kept as a metric on ESPN), he is shooting a better overall pct and better free throw pct.
He has more turnovers pergame and fewer blocks and steals. For any one of these items that someone could argue that his focus is lacking I could point to a similar stat that would point to his focus being better.
DJ9686 wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote: Don't worry Calvin, after the BC game, Pack Pride will reanoint you as NBA worthy.
I won't be doing that. I thought he had turned the corner--without stepping on the end line--and was NBA ready. He's really regressed mentally this year. "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift and that's why they call it 'the present', so enjoy it."--Alice Morse Earle via Mike Ditka |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:47 PM
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83grad wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
Sec17WufPacker wrote:
JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. No way in hell. Many, and I mean many, felt Rodney Purvis would be an upgrade over CJ Williams. How do you like 'dem apples now?
FWIW, I felt TDT would be equal to or greater than DeShawn Painter.
ETA: You're talking about the NBA. I thought you were talking about NC State. Are you comparing the freshman version of CJW to RP? Many posters were adamant that FR Rodney Purvis would be a significant upgrade over SR CJ Williams. Rodney was going to be this incredible slasher and finisher, something they argued CJW couldn't do. They argued that he was going to be the most explosive shooting guard since David Thompson. Of course, when I vehemently disagreed I was called a hack.  "If you want the truth, ask me". |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:49 PM
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83grad wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
Sec17WufPacker wrote:
JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. No way in hell. Many, and I mean many, felt Rodney Purvis would be an upgrade over CJ Williams. How do you like 'dem apples now?
FWIW, I felt TDT would be equal to or greater than DeShawn Painter.
ETA: You're talking about the NBA. I thought you were talking about NC State. Are you comparing the freshman version of CJW to RP? No, and I think that's his point. A freshmen Randle is still a freshmen. People just assume a talented freshmen will come in and replace a mediocre upperclassmen with little to no downside... this is almost never the truth. Thinking Randle will come in and be as productive as CJL is insane, I think that's what Bryant is getting at. Sadly, I'm sure there are people on this board that think Anya and Washington will come in next year and replace Howell and Leslie just fine... They will be disappointed. |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:50 PM
Re: Brown & Leslie and the NBA? (Howell & Wood, too)
Bryanth1a wrote:
83grad wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
Sec17WufPacker wrote:
JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. No way in hell. Many, and I mean many, felt Rodney Purvis would be an upgrade over CJ Williams. How do you like 'dem apples now?
FWIW, I felt TDT would be equal to or greater than DeShawn Painter.
ETA: You're talking about the NBA. I thought you were talking about NC State. Are you comparing the freshman version of CJW to RP? Many posters were adamant that FR Rodney Purvis would be a significant upgrade over SR CJ Williams. Rodney was going to be this incredible slasher and finisher, something they argued CJW couldn't do. They argued that he was going to be the most explosive shooting guard since David Thompson. Of course, when I vehemently disagreed I was called a hack. He really is an incredible slasher to the basket but unfortunately few of them go in. "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift and that's why they call it 'the present', so enjoy it."--Alice Morse Earle via Mike Ditka |
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Posted: 2/25/2013 3:57 PM
RE: Brown & Leslie and the NBA? (Howell & Wood,
Fair enough. I will say I would've hoped to see his TPG go down rather than up. But overall he is performing (stat wise) about where he was last year. Which is why I didn't understand him "really regressing". Last year they were saying how much he had matured from the previous year, yet this year, stat-wise he's on par with last year. DJ9686 wrote: Maybe I should have said maturity level instead of mental. But either way it is obvious a player is in some way not using his head when he keeps making the same mistakes the same way over and over again and doesn't realize what he is doing is detrimental to the team. He has multiple travels or steps out of bounce each game recently and until the UNC game he wouldn't pass it no matter where he received the ball on the court. Don't forget if not for a timely TO by Gott we would have lost a game last week. So I don't know if stubbornness and selfish play is a mental or maturity level deal, but it's obvious enough by his actions those things are going on.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 4:13 PM
Re: Brown & Leslie and the NBA? (Howell & Wood, too)
I dont care when and where Leslie goes, as long as he goes..Seen enough laziness and lack of effort.. he turns the ball over and pouts rather than run back on defense....See ya CJL
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Posted: 2/25/2013 5:10 PM
Re: Brown & Leslie and the NBA? (Howell & Wood, too)
ISEWolfpack2010 wrote:
83grad wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
Sec17WufPacker wrote:
JSaw1 wrote: I hear what you all are saying, and CJ frustrates me at times with his lack of consistency, but you all are CRAZY to say that you wouldn't want him back for his senior year...
CRAZY.
I'll take Calvin (or CJ) next year, especially with our lack of experience and depth we are facing in the post. Honestly, Randle is more ready to produce consistently at the next level than Leslie. I'll take Randle over Leslie, right now. No way in hell. Many, and I mean many, felt Rodney Purvis would be an upgrade over CJ Williams. How do you like 'dem apples now?
FWIW, I felt TDT would be equal to or greater than DeShawn Painter.
ETA: You're talking about the NBA. I thought you were talking about NC State. Are you comparing the freshman version of CJW to RP? No, and I think that's his point. A freshmen Randle is still a freshmen. People just assume a talented freshmen will come in and replace a mediocre upperclassmen with little to no downside... this is almost never the truth. Thinking Randle will come in and be as productive as CJL is insane, I think that's what Bryant is getting at.
Sadly, I'm sure there are people on this board that think Anya and Washington will come in next year and replace Howell and Leslie just fine... They will be disappointed. I don't think it's insane that Randle could match Leslie's production this year. Leslie has been horribly inefficient this season, posting a dismal 100.1 offensive rating and 3.2 turnovers per game. Comparing his stats to JJ Hickson's as a Freshman, there is no doubt that Hickson was better as a freshman than Leslie is as a Junior. I would expect similar production out of Randle. http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jj-hi ckson&i=1&p1=cj-leslie _____________________
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