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Posted: 2/23/2013 8:49 PM
RE: Brown & Leslie and the NBA
Fourthepack wrote:
This. And this is a source of frustration regarding Gott. If CJ can't learn to stop doing this then yank him. He is hurting the team more times than not.
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--- PACK 85 wrote:
One of my biggest complaints from CJ is just doesn't learn from his mistakes. He consistently forces his way into traffic and either takes an awkward shot or turns the ball over instead of kicking it out for an open shot or reposting and getting the ball back. He's just determined to shoot whether he is open or not.
--------------------------------------------- preach it. Gott really disappointed me today. "You're gonna need a bigger boat"
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:05 PM
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Calvin can be a double double guy, but CJ is a head case. I think Gott is trying to walk the fine line with his head. If he leaves him on the bench, we see more and more CJ and less and less Calvin. I know everyone is saying leave CJ on the bench, and I understand that, but we need Calvin in the game. I just know I am glad that my career doesn't hinge on the decisions of 18-22 year olds.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:08 PM
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Wolfs Lare wrote: Calvin can be a double double guy, but CJ is a head case. I think Gott is trying to walk the fine line with his head. If he leaves him on the bench, we see more and more CJ and less and less Calvin. I know everyone is saying leave CJ on the bench, and I understand that, but we need Calvin in the game. I just know I am glad that my career doesn't hinge on the decisions of 18-22 year olds. i havent seen calvin in a while. cj seems to be establishing himself again. he was better early. now it seems like hes going into "who cares" mode again. Bench him. "You're gonna need a bigger boat"
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:13 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- eighteenpack wrote: Wolfs Lare wrote: Calvin can be a double double guy, but CJ is a head case. I think Gott is trying to walk the fine line with his head. If he leaves him on the bench, we see more and more CJ and less and less Calvin. I know everyone is saying leave CJ on the bench, and I understand that, but we need Calvin in the game. I just know I am glad that my career doesn't hinge on the decisions of 18-22 year olds. i havent seen calvin in a while. cj seems to be establishing himself again. he was better early. now it seems like hes going into "who cares" mode again. Bench him. --------------------------------------------- Calvin played a great game against FSU. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:15 PM
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CJ needs to start on the bench Wednesday night.
He and Zo are in for a rude awakening next year in the Association.
Philippians 4:13
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:19 PM
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Zo will be fine. blpack90 wrote: CJ needs to start on the bench Wednesday night.
He and Zo are in for a rude awakening next year in the Association. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:33 PM
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--- eighteenpack wrote:
Wolfs Lare wrote: Calvin can be a double double guy, but CJ is a head case. I think Gott is trying to walk the fine line with his head. If he leaves him on the bench, we see more and more CJ and less and less Calvin. I know everyone is saying leave CJ on the bench, and I understand that, but we need Calvin in the game. I just know I am glad that my career doesn't hinge on the decisions of 18-22 year olds.
i havent seen calvin in a while. cj seems to be establishing himself again. he was better early. now it seems like hes going into "who cares" mode again. Bench him.
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Calvin played a great game against FSU. yeah, you're right. i saw him get a couple of sick dunks in that game. cj turned the ball over 5 times though. a theme that has gotten progressively worse lately. its like pesky things like "travelling" and "out of bounds" seem to just elude cj. thank god calvin is there to save him. "You're gonna need a bigger boat"
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:36 PM
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I just heard CJ and Lo were thinking about coming back next year to "get it right"
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:39 PM
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^ That would be awesome! I think....
We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments."
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:44 PM
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I may be in the minority today but I would love that. It's ultimately Gott's responsibility to get them rolling. We'd actually have the depth we needed this year to live up to the hype.
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I just heard CJ and Lo were thinking about coming back next year to "get it right"
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:45 PM
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I just heard CJ and Lo were thinking about coming back next year to "get it right"
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Not a chance
imo, Zo is far more ready for the NBA. CJL will jump into the draft though
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:47 PM
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imo, zo is late 1st round, and cj is killing his stock every game. they're both gone though. good luck to them both.
"You're gonna need a bigger boat"
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:50 PM
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I swear CJ looks like the Tasmanian devil when he drives. Spin, Spin, Spin....
"Here... we see what may be the epitome of a warrior, cunning matched with instinct and stealth, joined with a final, terrifying attack. For this mighty creature, I name you. You are Clan Wolf."
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:52 PM
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JonnyJackson wrote: I just heard CJ and Lo were thinking about coming back next year to "get it right" From who, a birdie? This doesn't even make sense. Get it right??? That implies the season has been a failure and it's not even over, yet. "If you want the truth, ask me". |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:55 PM
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Maybe he wants to focus on his education?
Sometimes we assume these guys are just jocks looking for a paycheck.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:56 PM
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GrandWolf wrote: Earlier in this thread I posted Leslie's ONLY improvemement in RECENT games was foul shooting.
Ooooooooooooooops! He hasn't missed a 3 point shot in 2013! unless Calvin comes back, Coach Gott is going to be damned if he does and damned if he don't when it comes to playing CJL. CJL might be hard headed enough to believe he is still a lottery pick.
drink beer straight from the bottle...brilliant!
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:56 PM
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Calvin, barring a huge outburst from here out, is a second-rounder.
Zo is a borderline first/second-rounder, but will go ahead of Calvin.
Howell is underrated, and will have a long but humble NBA career.
Wood will play in Europe.
"Here... we see what may be the epitome of a warrior, cunning matched with instinct and stealth, joined with a final, terrifying attack. For this mighty creature, I name you. You are Clan Wolf."
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:57 PM
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Both these young men seem like they value a good education. I see no reason they would not think about coming back.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:02 PM
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hunwolf wrote: Both these young men seem like they value a good education. I see no reason they would not think about coming back. this guy. eh, this guy? (would post a pic of walken in true romance if my computer didnt suck) "You're gonna need a bigger boat"
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:08 PM
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CJ's going to leave because he appears tired of the college game. Zo's probably gone with two PG's backing him up next season (Lewis, Barber).
"Here... we see what may be the epitome of a warrior, cunning matched with instinct and stealth, joined with a final, terrifying attack. For this mighty creature, I name you. You are Clan Wolf."
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:12 PM
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Hell, we could go to a three guard lineup next year if Zo came back.
It would be run and gun ala 'nova or UCONN.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:31 PM
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Calvin ain't ready. He is an awesome athletic talent, but he is inconsistent and hasn't learned to channel his athletic talents into being a good basketball player. He will probably go, but he ain't ready.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:37 PM
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I think Leslie, barring a drastic turnaround, has screwed his NBA chances. Last year he made amazing strides from his first year. Everyone was talking about his amazing potential. Now he's played another full season and he isn't getting any better. And I think his lack of effort and his weak mental are gonna scare away lots of teams. Had Leslie left after last season he would have benefitted from "the potential" that existed. Now it appears that potential might be a pipe dream. I'm not sure Leslie has the work ethic or mental toughness to improve anymore than he is right now. Look at the transformation Howell's body has undergone since he came here. Leslie's been knowing that he's skinny and needs to beef up but he's still as thin as he was his first season. That makes me question his work ethic.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:40 PM
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TheEagle0362 wrote: Calvin ain't ready. He is an awesome athletic talent, but he is inconsistent and hasn't learned to channel his athletic talents into being a good basketball player. He will probably go, but he ain't ready. I know the NBA drafts a lot on potential, but potential is only good if it is accompanied with some mark of progress. You could see that developing during last season, but from that time to now, there has been little to show. This leaves a lot of things still to work on to be ready to play in the NBA. Right now I think there would be a question about how and when that is going to take place. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:43 PM
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I don't know how to look at it. Even with his issues, obviously we're a better team if we have CJL. Then again, if CJ is back next season, it's an indicator that things did not go the way they should have this year. If CJ and Zo are both back, we'd definitely have some nice depth next season. If the draft were today, they're probably both 2nd round picks, so who knows what happens.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:44 PM
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chargerbomb wrote: I'm not sure why Gottfried put him back in the game when we were playing much better without him
Maybe Gottfried is worried that he'll turn into a locker room cancer. Turn into a locker room cancer? I think this has already been a problem for quite some time. See Wood's quote after the game. Something is amiss and, simple trial and error results in one likely source of discontent... |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:48 PM
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TheEagle0362 wrote: Calvin ain't ready. He is an awesome athletic talent, but he is inconsistent and hasn't learned to channel his athletic talents into being a good basketball player. He will probably go, but he ain't ready. At times this season, "Calvin" ain't ready for Div II b'ball. GREAT, GREAT talent. His application of his talent sucks. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:52 PM
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Honestly, Calvin won't get molested in the NBA like he does in college. He won't be called for travels as much either.
I'm as frustrated as everyone is, but he'll play in the NBA, for sure.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:00 PM
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What did Wood say? --------------------------------------------- --- ccharrison23 wrote: chargerbomb wrote: I'm not sure why Gottfried put him back in the game when we were playing much better without him
Maybe Gottfried is worried that he'll turn into a locker room cancer. Turn into a locker room cancer? I think this has already been a problem for quite some time. See Wood's quote after the game. Something is amiss and, simple trial and error results in one likely source of discontent... --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:03 PM
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Well, there could be a situation where the players didnt care.
When Les was the coach I used to see the players out at the bars right after the games win or lose. They didnt see torn up ever.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:06 PM
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PicklePacker wrote: I think Leslie, barring a drastic turnaround, has screwed his NBA chances. Last year he made amazing strides from his first year. Everyone was talking about his amazing potential. Now he's played another full season and he isn't getting any better. And I think his lack of effort and his weak mental are gonna scare away lots of teams. Had Leslie left after last season he would have benefitted from "the potential" that existed. Now it appears that potential might be a pipe dream. I'm not sure Leslie has the work ethic or mental toughness to improve anymore than he is right now. Look at the transformation Howell's body has undergone since he came here. Leslie's been knowing that he's skinny and needs to beef up but he's still as thin as he was his first season. That makes me question his work ethic. Calvin is no Hercules but he's definitely improved his body since his freshman season. He's physically bigger than UNC's Brice Johnson and that's the size Calvin was as a rook. "If you want the truth, ask me". |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:16 PM
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It's so easy to just "beef up" --------------------------------------------- --- Bryanth1a wrote: PicklePacker wrote: I think Leslie, barring a drastic turnaround, has screwed his NBA chances. Last year he made amazing strides from his first year. Everyone was talking about his amazing potential. Now he's played another full season and he isn't getting any better. And I think his lack of effort and his weak mental are gonna scare away lots of teams. Had Leslie left after last season he would have benefitted from "the potential" that existed. Now it appears that potential might be a pipe dream. I'm not sure Leslie has the work ethic or mental toughness to improve anymore than he is right now. Look at the transformation Howell's body has undergone since he came here. Leslie's been knowing that he's skinny and needs to beef up but he's still as thin as he was his first season. That makes me question his work ethic. Calvin is no Hercules but he's definitely improved his body since his freshman season. He's physically bigger than UNC's Brice Johnson and that's the size Calvin was as a rook. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:24 PM
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WolfPackIsBack wrote:
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I just heard CJ and Lo were thinking about coming back next year to "get it right"
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Not a chance
imo, Zo is far more ready for the NBA. CJL will jump into the draft though I would love to have both back, one is a great leader and the other needs to refine his game. Gee Gee
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:25 PM
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Lol - walk all the way but he walks on a lot of post moves --------------------------------------------- --- DJ2CC13 wrote: Bryanth1a wrote:
alan76EE wrote:
Bryanth1a wrote:
alan76EE wrote:
I don't agree about the footwork. I've seen him make some pretty amazing post moves.
He takes too many risks. Sometimes that puts him in a position where he can't bail himself out with athleticism. IMO that's his main issue. And that can be fixed. LOLOLOLOLOL...if you think Calvin has good footwork then you probably think the US economy is very strong.
There's are a few times about every two or three games that Calvin makes a great play around the basket but it's made entirely with his athleticism.
When have you seen Calvin make a move that required offensive fundamentals?
When have you EVER seen Calvin shoot a basic turnaround jumper? You haven't and the reason you haven't is because it requires decent footwork.
When have you seen Calvin shot within two feet of the basket with his entire body parallel to the floor and facing the basket? You haven't and that's why he gets his shot blocked so much. He does the same thing Tracy Smith used to do and jack-knife his body, making himself shorter and off-balance.
When have you watched a game that Calvin hasn't traveled at least once? Not many and it all is due to poor footwork and his lack of confidence going against players with equal size and athleticism.
With even decent footwook Calvin would be a much better offensive player and harder to defend. The reason Plumlee owned Calvin that last game was due strictly to his use of fundamentals. As big and robotic as Plumlee can be, he dominated Calvin by using solid footwork.
ETA: With all that being said, Calvin will definitely get drafted and it will surprise me more if he gets drafted in the second round than first. Some GM will fall in love with his athleticism and that will overshawdow his shortcomings. First 3 seconds of this video. WHAT THE HELL!!! You only proved my point! Calvin walked his a*s off on that move. LOLOLOLOLOL Yeah, the refs suck... shoud've been called! LOL --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:25 PM
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packfan01 wrote: Honestly, Calvin won't get molested in the NBA like he does in college. He won't be called for travels as much either.
I'm as frustrated as everyone is, but he'll play in the NBA, for sure. Yooooooou.....don't know much about the league.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:52 PM
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all i know is that i think howell and brown are more nba ready than cj is. cj is going to be playing the stretch 4 in the nba so he needs to learn to be under control when going to the rim and learn to kick it back out if there is nothing there for him.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:55 PM
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thefunkyredcaboose wrote: What did Wood say?
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chargerbomb wrote: I'm not sure why Gottfried put him back in the game when we were playing much better without him
Maybe Gottfried is worried that he'll turn into a locker room cancer. Turn into a locker room cancer? I think this has already been a problem for quite some time. See Wood's quote after the game. Something is amiss and, simple trial and error results in one likely source of discontent...
--------------------------------------------- Oh RT @ DavidCMorrison: Wood on what went wrong: “I don’t think it’s fatigue. It’s a couple other things.” Like? “I’m not allowed to say.” |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:56 PM
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thefunkyredcaboose wrote: What did Wood say?
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chargerbomb wrote: I'm not sure why Gottfried put him back in the game when we were playing much better without him
Maybe Gottfried is worried that he'll turn into a locker room cancer. Turn into a locker room cancer? I think this has already been a problem for quite some time. See Wood's quote after the game. Something is amiss and, simple trial and error results in one likely source of discontent...
--------------------------------------------- Oh RT @ DavidCMorrison: Wood on what went wrong: “I don’t think it’s fatigue. It’s a couple other things.” Like? “I’m not allowed to say.” |
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Posted: 2/24/2013 12:40 AM
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LetsGoState wrote:
packfan01 wrote: Honestly, Calvin won't get molested in the NBA like he does in college. He won't be called for travels as much either.
I'm as frustrated as everyone is, but he'll play in the NBA, for sure. Yooooooou.....don't know much about the league. Just curious which NBA team do you work for? |
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Posted: 2/24/2013 12:46 AM
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I would say that's probably in regards to officiating, and not Leslie playing poorly. That's just my opinion since Scott always seems to be looking for a call --------------------------------------------- --- JeepingWolf wrote: thefunkyredcaboose wrote: What did Wood say?
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--- ccharrison23 wrote:
chargerbomb wrote: I'm not sure why Gottfried put him back in the game when we were playing much better without him
Maybe Gottfried is worried that he'll turn into a locker room cancer. Turn into a locker room cancer? I think this has already been a problem for quite some time. See Wood's quote after the game. Something is amiss and, simple trial and error results in one likely source of discontent...
--------------------------------------------- Oh RT @ DavidCMorrison: Wood on what went wrong: “I don’t think it’s fatigue. It’s a couple other things.” Like? “I’m not allowed to say.”
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