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Brown & Leslie and the NBA? (Howell & Wood, too)UPDATED
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Posted: 2/1/2013 4:57 PM
Brown & Leslie and the NBA? (Howell & Wood, too)UPDATED
There's one month left in the regular season and there's still time for players to improve their draft status.This website rated mock drafts by accuracy and in looking at a few of the most accurate here's what they have in their most recent January mock drafts.
NBADRAFT.NET
Brown 32nd overall pick
Leslie 37th overall pick
DRAFTEXPRESS.COM
Leslie 26th pick
Brown 30th pick
Bleacherreport.com
Leslie- Not in first round..They don't do 2nd round
Brown- Not in first round..
hoopsworld.com
Leslie (1st round 27th overall)
Brown (2nd round 37 overall)
TJ Warren (2nd round 31 overall)
thesportsbank.net (most accurate mock draft in 2011 and 2012)
Leslie - 40th overall
Brown 30th overall
Howell 58th overall
CBSSPORTS.com
Leslie (1st round 25th overall)
Brown (1st round 24th overall)
Warren - 41st overall
mynbadraft.com
Leslie (1st round 22rd overall)
Brown (not in 1st round. website doesn't do 2nd round
Surprisingly now I'm finding TJ Warren creeping up the mock draft boards. I pray we don't lose him too. As for Leslie and Brown it seems that Brown's status has dropped a bit probably due to his ankle injury and Leslie's is still basically the same. Thesportsbank.net has been the most accurate draft predictor for the last two years and they have dropped Leslie several spots since I initially started this topic a month ago. With that being said, unless Leslie has a post season run like he did a year ago, it's looking like he might be right squarely in the same position he was at the end of last season. A borderline 1st-2nd round pick. Brown looks to be in the same boat. Late first/early second. Howell will likely be a mid second round pick and I didn't see Wood on any of the list. Here's the thing, a deep NCAA tourney run can boost players draft positions if they play well during that stretch. Hopefully all of our draft prospects realize that and put it all on the line these last few games.
Last edited 3/12/2013 10:19 AM by PicklePacker
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Posted: 2/1/2013 4:59 PM
Re: Brown & Leslie and the NBA
Let's hope they both play well enough from here on out to raise thier stock. Never wish any player to do anything but get better. |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:04 PM
RE: Brown & Leslie and the NBA
Leslie has a lot of work to do before he can even think about dominating on the NBA level. Strength, footwork, core strength and balance, jump shooting. He is still extremely raw in many ways. Brown would be far more ready to step in and produce right away in the pros.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:11 PM
RE: Brown & Leslie and the NBA
no exactly glowing imho.
I am sure they think it will be higher but thats probably about right.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:21 PM
RE: Brown & Leslie and the NBA
rswilli2 wrote: Leslie has a lot of work to do before he can even think about dominating on the NBA level. Strength, footwork, core strength and balance, jump shooting. He is still extremely raw in many ways. Brown would be far more ready to step in and produce right away in the pros. 100% correct on all points ______________________________________
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:23 PM
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I think they both will be good NBA players, but by your junior year with the playing time they have had, in most circumstances, you are what your are. I would love for both to come back for their senior years, but I doubt their stocks would improve much with an extra year.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:36 PM
RE: Brown & Leslie and the NBA
rswilli2 wrote: Leslie has a lot of work to do before he can even think about dominating on the NBA level. Strength, footwork, core strength and balance, jump shooting. He is still extremely raw in many ways. Brown would be far more ready to step in and produce right away in the pros. The story on Calvin is he's not strong enough to play much 2 at the next level and until he gets an outside shot, he will struggle at the 3. So until one or both changes, he may be destined to be a better college player than pro. FWIW.... If ifs and buts were fruits and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:40 PM
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All I hope for is they get the best advice possible from the coaching staff and from scouts and they make the best possible choices for them and their families. If that means they return for their senior years then awesome! If not and they go, I wish them the best. I'm not worried either way.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:40 PM
RE: Brown & Leslie and the NBA
rswilli2 wrote: Leslie has a lot of work to do before he can even think about dominating on the NBA level. Strength, footwork, core strength and balance, jump shooting. He is still extremely raw in many ways. Brown would be far more ready to step in and produce right away in the pros. This. 
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:43 PM
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Would not be surprised to see Brown go about 10 spots higher than Leslie for these reasons. rswilli2 wrote: Leslie has a lot of work to do before he can even think about dominating on the NBA level. Strength, footwork, core strength and balance, jump shooting. He is still extremely raw in many ways. Brown would be far more ready to step in and produce right away in the pros. |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:02 PM
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Think as long as both are projected in the first round, they're gone. Think Leslie is gone regardless.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:05 PM
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I'm glad that someone opened a thread on this subject, as we have briefly disussed it in others. Calvins story is quite intriguing. I agree rswill2, on his weaknesses, and is he a good fit in the NBA? I just don't see it. Not strong enough for the #2 spot, and lacks any kind of outside shot for the#3. With that being said, he is one great athlete. I have been watching some of the mock drafts, and Leslie is steadily declining, Zo, on the other hand has been rising. I recently saw a mock draft that included Howell real late in the 2nd round. Some speculated Leslie as a possible lottery pick or middle first round last year. Very few think Leslie is returning, and I surely understand that, but a jumpshot and adding strength are things that can be worked on, to improve his draft staus greatly. A lot of money difference in a lottery pick, and maybe an early second rounder. I believe Zo is more NBA ready.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:12 PM
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If I'm not mistaking Zo should actually be a senior this year, but spent a year at prep school.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:15 PM
RE: Brown & Leslie and the NBA
FinancialPacker wrote:
rswilli2 wrote: Leslie has a lot of work to do before he can even think about dominating on the NBA level. Strength, footwork, core strength and balance, jump shooting. He is still extremely raw in many ways. Brown would be far more ready to step in and produce right away in the pros. 100% correct on all points I have said this over and over, that neither one of them use their left hand around the basket. They make almost impossible shots sometimes that would be easy lay-ups if they would use their left hand. Sometimes they get blocked or miss because they do not use their left hand. That will not cut it in the NBA. I think Brown could playin the NBA but CJ is just a raw highly athletic player that is not ready. Develop a consistant jumpshot and use the lefthand and I think his status will skyrocket... |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:17 PM
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I'm not saying this because I want him to come back but Leslie could use another year IMO. Look at the number of turnovers he's had this season. Brown is our PG so it's expected for him to have the most TO's on the team. But Leslie is only 4 behind him on the season. And in the last two game he's had 7 turnovers in each. To put it in perspective Brown has 69 turnovers, Leslie has 64 and the next highest on the team is Howell with 33. Leslie will face tougher defenders at the next level and he's got to be smarter with the ball or he'll be riding the pine.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:25 PM
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Said it all year...I hope they both go in the lottery becuase if that happens it means we had a really good postseason run. |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:29 PM
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Yep seeinred! Leslies stock rose big time last year because of his tournament play.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:34 PM
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I wish them both the best, but they have to handle their business here for the Wolfpack first before thinking about the pros.If Calvin doesn't have his 'tude straighten out, someone like Metta World Peace will do it for him.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:44 PM
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All it takes is 1 team to fall in love with you. I think both go first round. I'd guess Zo before Leslie, I think his ceiling is higher.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:59 PM
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Lo is going to be a lottery pick by the time it is all said and done. Leslie will be a late 1st rounder.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:06 PM
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Doesnt matter...they are gone
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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:17 PM
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If Lo could shoot, he would be a lotto player, but I have a feeling a lot of scouts will downgrade him a bit after seeing what Smart did against us/him. I see him going in the late teens to the 20's.
Calvin IMO, will have a tough time in the NBA. He is a PF in the body of a SF. He doesn't have SF skills on the next level. Jumper is not dependable, has a handle, but more of an inside player. If a guy his size wants to be a PF he would have to be a stretch 4, and unfortunately he is not dependable from distance. Too small + weak for inside play. I just don't see him getting many minutes and possibly bouncing around between the NBDL, the NBA, and Europe.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:17 PM
RE: Brown & Leslie and the NBA
any mention of Howell and/or Wood in the mock drafts?
football record prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9, 10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7, 12-6
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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:47 PM
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wolfer79 wrote: any mention of Howell and/or Wood in the mock drafts? Wood? Is there an overseas draft? |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:57 PM
RE: Brown & Leslie and the NBA
Gut instinct tells me Brown is coming back. Not sure about CJL
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:00 PM
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Yes Wolfer, I saw Howell listed late 2nd round yesterday, I believe it was the 56th pick. Comments, were a bit undersized for his position, PF, (Height wise , I'm sure). but a real hard worker, and grabs a lot of rebounds. Wood? Not yet on any mock draft I've seen.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:03 PM
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As far as jumpers go, I've seen many a player develop a strong outside shot after being a pro; even after not having one in college. Zo n CJ may not have great ones now, but whenever they enter the league, they'll get one. I don't think current shooting ability will strongly affect their draft status. CJ's speed/athleticism n Zo's size will draw interest from multiple teams.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:05 PM
RE: Brown & Leslie and the NBA
goturbackpack66 wrote: Yes Wolfer, I saw Howell listed late 2nd round yesterday, I believe it was the 56th pick. Comments, were a bit undersized for his position, PF, (Height wise , I'm sure). but a real hard worker, and grabs a lot of rebounds. Wood? Not yet on any mock draft I've seen. thank you
football record prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9, 10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7, 12-6
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:06 PM
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wolfer79 wrote: any mention of Howell and/or Wood in the mock drafts? I haven't seen anything about Wood, but I've seen Rich in a couple of mock drafts, mid-second round. Seems he's raising a few eyebrows with his beastmode. Hope he gets drafted! I'd like to see Scott get picked up by somebody that needs a shooter. I was looking through these the other night after the UVA game, wondering where CJ and Zo were. If their stock doesn't jump between now and the deadline, do either come back? How about if we add Julius Randle to the class?
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:06 PM
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83cardiacguy wrote:
wolfer79 wrote: any mention of Howell and/or Wood in the mock drafts? I haven't seen anything about Wood, but I've seen Rich in a couple of mock drafts, mid-second round. Seems he's raising a few eyebrows with his beastmode. Hope he gets drafted! I'd like to see Scott get picked up by somebody that needs a shooter.
I was looking through these the other night after the UVA game, wondering where CJ and Zo were. If their stock doesn't jump between now and the deadline, do either come back? How about if we add Julius Randle to the class? thank you
football record prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9, 10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7, 12-6
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:12 PM
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There were a few people on this board saying Brown would never play in the NBA; didn't bother to copy the posts but it would have been appropriate to repost them on draft day.  |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:17 PM
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wolfbreath wrote: Gut instinct tells me Brown is coming back. Not sure about CJL I dont think either one of them comes back....so we better enjoy the rest of this ride ;-) |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:30 PM
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Personally, I believe Zo goes, and I wish him a strong full recovery. He is more NBA ready than Leslie. Zo is a senior age wise. Leslie will probably go too, but it might be in his best interest to come back and upgrade his status. Footwork, strength, outside shot. Maybe he can improve at the pro level, no arguement there, but I believe his playing time will be limited, where as Zo should see more minutes. The next month or two will be critical for these guys, as far as their financial future. Hey, I would love for them to be great down the stretch. It means we do well! As far as Randle? I believe he'd love to see Leslie return. Randle and Leslie in the frontcourt? Wow! Not being selfish here. Whatever is the best for these young men is cool with me. I know Anya and Washington are coming in, and they will both will most likely get a lot of playing time, without having to carry too much of the load.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:35 PM
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Cedric Simmons had no business going pro, but he did. (I know, I know, he had reasons)
The point is: whether or not they are prototype players at their positions, if someone convinces them that they are ready, they are probably gone.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:39 PM
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+1 rswilli2 wrote: Leslie has a lot of work to do before he can even think about dominating on the NBA level. Strength, footwork, core strength and balance, jump shooting. He is still extremely raw in many ways. Brown would be far more ready to step in and produce right away in the pros. |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:47 PM
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I read an article about Grant Hill where he went on record saying he couldn't shoot a left handed layup in college....that he relied on raw talent. When basketball becomes your job you're able to refine your game.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:54 PM
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First of all, I'd be shocked if either returned for his senior season. Secondly, I believe Lorenzo will be drafted in the first round and Calvin in the second.
As someone who watches the NBA alot, outside of athleticism, Calvin has too many holes in his game to be a first-round pick. He was raw when he arrived on campus and still raw today....that's not good. If I was a NBA GM, I'd question his work ethic because I'd wonder why haven't his offensive game developed yet.
I think Lorenzo will go first-round and believe he's going to be a good player. IMO, he has all the physical skills but has to become stronger mentally to be better than just good. At least he has demonstrated the skills to be a to indicate he can play at next level. It would benefit Lorenzo if he plays for a demanding coach. A coach like Larry Brown would be idea for him.
Also, I can see Howell being a late second rounder but his size could hurt him. I predict at the NBA combine, Howell will get measured at 6'6" and that will scare teams away, especially when they consider his lack of jumping ability and inability to finish against taller players. It will take a coach like Popovich or George Karl that values hard work and effort to appreciate what Richard brings to the table.
Although it wouldn't surprise me if Wood gets drafted (2nd round), I think he'll have to go the Free Agent route. I really believe he'll be on a NBA roster next season. A lot of Pack fans critique Wood as being one-dimensional. Well, that one-dimension is going to help him make a lot of $$$ in the NBA. Wood has two things heavily in his favor. He's a great shooter and a legit 6'6".
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:56 PM
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Damn good thing he wasn't left-handed! LOL.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:57 PM
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I think they are both gone. IMO, Brown is a consistent jumper away from being a very solid pro and the NBA is probably the best place for him to get that work. When you can work with coaches at the highest level for an unlimited amount of time, something like shooting can be improved immensely. In college you are limited in practice time with coaches, thus Brown is probably better off going pro if he is going to be a 1st rounder regardless if its the last pick of the first. I'd be surprised to see Leslie come back just because it seemed he was ready to go last year...he probably already came into the season knowing it would be his last. Hard to change that mindset if that is plan heading in.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:03 PM
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They will both do well in the NBA
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