I had a function to attend yesterday, and missed the race for the first time since I can remember.  Apparently, it was a good one to miss...

PackChem91 wrote:

Yep, though I didn't see pre-race yesterday, in general, the mass marketing and cross-promotion of NASCAR has worn thin. 

And the announcing crew has become such a pom-pom waving crowd, there is no substance.
I don't care much for Johnny Miller on golf, but he brings a view that is of value and calls a spade a spade.  Would like to see NASCAR with more of that approach.  Everything can't be "awesome".  

They spent the whole week telling us how great the Gen-6 car was when it was obvious that racing was the suque in these cars. Towards the end, it sounded like they were trying to convince themselves.

WFNZ just reported ratings up 30%.

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PackChem91 wrote:Yep, though I didn't see pre-race yesterday, in general, the mass marketing and cross-promotion of NASCAR has worn thin. 

And the announcing crew has become such a pom-pom waving crowd, there is no substance.
I don't care much for Johnny Miller on golf, but he brings a view that is of value and calls a spade a spade.  Would like to see NASCAR with more of that approach.  Everything can't be "awesome".  

They spent the whole week telling us how great the Gen-6 car was when it was obvious that racing was the suque in these cars. Torward the end, it sounded like they were trying to convince themselves.

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Larry Mac was doing this exact thing.

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WFNZ just reported ratings up 30%.

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Danica and NNS wreck effect.

With the quality of racing and the cost of tickets, I think you are going to see a record amount of aluminum in the stands.

ABCman wrote: WFNZ just reported ratings up 30%.

Danica-effect.  Guessing all the guys will lay down in qualifying again this week :)  I kid, i kid. 
It's a shame there wasn't a better show yesterday.  And I don't mean big wrecks...but just the crazy close-quarters driving that keep your eyes glued to the set.

copper2945 wrote:

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WFNZ just reported ratings up 30%.

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Danica and NNS wreck effect.

She was the only reason this newbie watched.  Now I can't wait for the next race.

Have to admit I watched due to the hype of Danica, may watch again, just not a nascar guy. Don't hate it just kinda meh.

I would probably go live maybe...but a die hard fan. nah.

 Gen-6 car

I heard about the "new car", but never heard the specifics of the differences between it and the COT during the broadcast.  I did see the spoilers are  "invisible" = black / clear.  
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from a non-nascar site:  The new cars - Chevy's SS, Ford's Fusion and Toyota's Camry - all have body lines that give them a unique look rather than the spec-car appearance of the COT. The new cars have authentic grills, nose pieces and door 'coves' that offer performance and a sportier appearance. Chevy designed its street model SS backward, basing the looks of the model that will be for sale later this year on its race car.

The newest version is 150 pounds lighter than the COT at 3,300 pounds without the driver, some of it with weight-saving carbon fiber hoods and trunk lids. It's 2.3 inches shorter from nose to tail, and 3 inches wider. The COT's safety gains were passed down or improved upon - more roof support, for instance, in the steel rollcage. The aerodynamic fin that runs from the roofline to the rear spoiler is now made of a clear material to avoid disrupting the cars' true body shape.
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What do y'all think of the changes ?

PackChem91 wrote:

ABCman wrote: WFNZ just reported ratings up 30%.

Danica-effect.  Guessing all the guys will lay down in qualifying again this week :)  I kid, i kid. 
It's a shame there wasn't a better show yesterday.  And I don't mean big wrecks...but just the crazy close-quarters driving that keep your eyes glued to the set.

Funny that Danica made a mistake during a post race interview.... she said she was running most of the race at 1/2 throttle.  Race folks don't want to hear that.

Best ratings since 2006.

Compared to 2012 race:

- Up 91% in Chicago
- Up 60% in LA
- Up 43% in NYC

Now I know some on here could care less about the top 3 markets in the country, but NASCAR and Fox sure do.

wrcwolf wrote: Best ratings since 2006.

Compared to 2012 race:

- Up 91% in Chicago
- Up 60% in LA
- Up 43% in NYC

Now I know some on here could care less about the top 3 markets in the country, but NASCAR and Fox sure do.

Here's how the real numbers

Chicago ,  7 people watch last year, 13 this year
LA , 11 watched last year, 17 this year
NYC 13 watched last year, 19 this year

Does Danica have big following in the lesbian community?  The reason I ask, my wife's suitemate from Meredith, her sister is a full blown lesbian.  Tats, butch hair, etc.  But she is extremely nice and great to hang with.  Her and her partner and lots of their friends are hard core Danica fans.  I know they were probably pretty fired up with Dania and the pole.

Could be the case, but when NASCAR goes to Fox to negotiate the TV deal or when Fox sells ad space to companies for it's races, those numbers will be used over any number from Richmond, Va or Columbia, SC.

Seemed like several teams were struggling with the carbon fiber hoods. They don't deform like sheet metal and so what used to be normal wear and tear bumping damage you could live with is now a big problem.

crash42 wrote:

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Yamahog wrote:

PackBacker77 wrote: You should have been watching 20 years ago when it was real racing.

Well, at least NASCAR "technology" is still pretty much the same.

You should do a little research before posting!  There has been quite a bit of inovation and saftey features from NASCAR and the manufacturing sponsor over the last 20 years.  This year the hoods and deck lids are carbon fiber with a Kevlar coating.

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Oh come on. This is bout as pioneering as the drop snout car.

So what do suggest?  Let's hear it.

I preferred the restrictor plate races prior to the COT (before the two-by-two), back when you'd have lines of drafting cars passing the other line...then one forming in the middle...where you could go from 25th to 1st in 5-10 laps...a new leader practically every lap...and always a crazy *** finish.

Yesterday wasn't great, but is still better than what we got the last few years w/ the two-by-two, which was just annoying.

gopack in va wrote:

wrcwolf wrote: Best ratings since 2006.

Compared to 2012 race:

- Up 91% in Chicago
- Up 60% in LA
- Up 43% in NYC

Now I know some on here could care less about the top 3 markets in the country, but NASCAR and Fox sure do.

Here's how the real numbers

Chicago ,  7 people watch last year, 13 this year
LA , 11 watched last year, 17 this year
NYC 13 watched last year, 19 this year

Does Danica have big following in the lesbian community?  The reason I ask, my wife's suitemate from Meredith, her sister is a full blown lesbian.  Tats, butch hair, etc.  But she is extremely nice and great to hang with.  Her and her partner and lots of their friends are hard core Danica fans.  I know they were probably pretty fired up with Dania and the pole.

Sounds to me they don't enjoy the pole at all.

gopack in va wrote:

wrcwolf wrote: Best ratings since 2006.

Compared to 2012 race:

- Up 91% in Chicago
- Up 60% in LA
- Up 43% in NYC

Now I know some on here could care less about the top 3 markets in the country, but NASCAR and Fox sure do.

Here's how the real numbers

Chicago ,  7 people watch last year, 13 this year
LA , 11 watched last year, 17 this year
NYC 13 watched last year, 19 this year

Does Danica have big following in the lesbian community?  The reason I ask, my wife's suitemate from Meredith, her sister is a full blown lesbian.  Tats, butch hair, etc.  But she is extremely nice and great to hang with.  Her and her partner and lots of their friends are hard core Danica fans.  I know they were probably pretty fired up with Dania and the pole.

Agreed, gopack.  Mike Joy is pretty good, but Larry Mac with his unabashed poor grammar, and DW with his savant-like worship of Danica really wore thin on me yesterday.  At least I don't remember seeing that damn cartoon ground hog during the broadcast.

I'm pretty close to 100% MRN radio back where I started.  Joe Moore was saying yesterday that HOF announcer Barney Hall is 81 years old, and would just do occasional races this year.  He didn't do all of them in the past few years, and seems to do fewer every year  *sad*.  I like Mr. Hall.  He not only announces the race, but makes insightful observations on different drivers throughout the race.

NeverQuitPacker wrote:

gopack in va wrote:

wrcwolf wrote: Best ratings since 2006.

Compared to 2012 race:

- Up 91% in Chicago
- Up 60% in LA
- Up 43% in NYC

Now I know some on here could care less about the top 3 markets in the country, but NASCAR and Fox sure do.

Here's how the real numbers

Chicago ,  7 people watch last year, 13 this year
LA , 11 watched last year, 17 this year
NYC 13 watched last year, 19 this year

Does Danica have big following in the lesbian community?  The reason I ask, my wife's suitemate from Meredith, her sister is a full blown lesbian.  Tats, butch hair, etc.  But she is extremely nice and great to hang with.  Her and her partner and lots of their friends are hard core Danica fans.  I know they were probably pretty fired up with Dania and the pole.

Agreed, gopack.  Mike Joy is pretty good, but Larry Mac with his unabashed poor grammar, and DW with his savant-like worship of Danica really wore thin on me yesterday.  At least I don't remember seeing that damn cartoon ground hog during the broadcast.

I'm pretty close to 100% MRN radio back where I started.  Joe Moore was saying yesterday that HOF announcer Barney Hall is 81 years old, and would just do occasional races this year.  He didn't do all of them in the past few years, and seems to do fewer every year  *sad*.  I like Mr. Hall.  He not only announces the race, but makes insightful observations on different drivers throughout the race.

Poor grammar on a nascar telecast doesn't bother me so much...at least they get hte performer's names right. 
Its the over the top hype.  You may be ok w/Mike Joy, but he has turned up the hype machine this year even higher, which I thought was impossible.

wrcwolf wrote: Could be the case, but when NASCAR goes to Fox to negotiate the TV deal or when Fox sells ad space to companies for it's races, those numbers will be used over any number from Richmond, Va or Columbia, SC.

Yep, so now that the NASCAR leaders see the light, there will be about 5 women running next year...guaranteed though they will have to meet a certain "easy on the eye" requirement. 

And contrary to Hun's assertion, Jeff Gordon doesn't count :)


On flip side....maybe they can get the TVs they want in those big markets by adding sexy women, and then pull the races from the borefests that are California and Chicagoland
 since racing there has clearly not increased market share.

PackChem91 wrote:

EastChapelHill04Class wrote:

Denverpacker wrote:

EastChapelHill04Class wrote:

Denverpacker wrote:

EastChapelHill04Class wrote: Hate the 48 won, but thank the good Lord Dale Jr didn't win! His hillbilly fan base would have burned down every Wal-Mart in Charlotte if he won today...whew!!!

"Second place is just the first loser." -Dale Earnhardt, Sr.

You do know that it takes a hillbilly mentality to make blanket statements like this?

You must not live near these "Juuunnnneee-yerrrr" fans in the Concord/Kannapolis area.

And yes his father, the REAL Dale Earnhardt, the NASCAR Hall of Famer, 7-Time Cup Champion and winner of 76 Cup races, did say this and it is as true today as it was then.

If you are going to quote a source ,please provide the link.

And you can make that statement about any fan base in NASCAR, basically.  You may also want just say that the NASCAR demographics include just about every socio-economic strata, across all fan bases.

http://www.searchquotes.com/quotation/Second_place _is_just_the_first_place_loser./51484/

Jr fans are typically the most "Larry the Cable Guy"-like fans of all NASCAR drivers...

And so if nascar fans are like their drivers, as you suggest here, that must make you, a Kyle Busch fan, one misreable lout to be around.  And what, about 30th loser?
Oh, I know, but he's maturing.

As for the race, really boring.  Seemed almost impossible to pass. What made Daytona great for fans (if not drivers) were the continual lead changes.  Yesterday, everyone was either content, or only capable of, following the leader.

If you want to insult someone, you have more credibility if you correctly spell miserable. (not "misreable")

To your point, what draws me to #18 is he is not afraid to be outspoken and honest. He is not afraid to tell people the truth even though they don't want to hear it...mainly about Dale "Junnnneee-yerrr" and his ability to be popular without actually winning anything. He's not afraid to be pissed off about finishing 2nd because it wasn't 1st...he understands Dale Sr.'s quote. With his brash attitude, he's a great reminder of a young Darrell Waltrip or Tim Richmond from back in the day...a refreshing change from the uber-boring Jimmie Johnson and the over-rated Dale Jr.

I like that he has no problem bowing to fans after race wins as if to say "F--- YOU HATERS!" to all the hillbillies wearing 88 shirts.

If I'm like someone who is honest, self-confident, successful and not ashamed to be the those things, then yeah I guess that would make fans of the under-achieving #88 driver "misreable" that they can't counter with their own driver's success, because he has so little of it.

As for yesterday, is it the driver's fault Toyota engines blew up? So does that make Matt Kenseth a loser too? Let's blow up Jr's engine when he's running 2nd and see how he finishes...give me a break dude.

Who's your driver, by the way? I'm guessing someone from the Hendrick team.

EastChapelHill04Class wrote:

PackChem91 wrote:

EastChapelHill04Class wrote:

Denverpacker wrote:

EastChapelHill04Class wrote:

Denverpacker wrote:

EastChapelHill04Class wrote: Hate the 48 won, but thank the good Lord Dale Jr didn't win! His hillbilly fan base would have burned down every Wal-Mart in Charlotte if he won today...whew!!!

"Second place is just the first loser." -Dale Earnhardt, Sr.

You do know that it takes a hillbilly mentality to make blanket statements like this?

You must not live near these "Juuunnnneee-yerrrr" fans in the Concord/Kannapolis area.

And yes his father, the REAL Dale Earnhardt, the NASCAR Hall of Famer, 7-Time Cup Champion and winner of 76 Cup races, did say this and it is as true today as it was then.

If you are going to quote a source ,please provide the link.

And you can make that statement about any fan base in NASCAR, basically.  You may also want just say that the NASCAR demographics include just about every socio-economic strata, across all fan bases.

http://www.searchquotes.com/quotation/Second_place _is_just_the_first_place_loser./51484/

Jr fans are typically the most "Larry the Cable Guy"-like fans of all NASCAR drivers...

And so if nascar fans are like their drivers, as you suggest here, that must make you, a Kyle Busch fan, one misreable lout to be around.  And what, about 30th loser?
Oh, I know, but he's maturing.

As for the race, really boring.  Seemed almost impossible to pass. What made Daytona great for fans (if not drivers) were the continual lead changes.  Yesterday, everyone was either content, or only capable of, following the leader.

If you want to insult someone, you have more credibility if you correctly spell miserable. (not "misreable")

To your point, what draws me to #18 is he is not afraid to be outspoken and honest. He is not afraid to tell people the truth even though they don't want to hear it...mainly about Dale "Junnnneee-yerrr" and his ability to be popular without actually winning anything. He's not afraid to be pissed off about finishing 2nd because it wasn't 1st...he understands Dale Sr.'s quote. With his brash attitude, he's a great reminder of a young Darrell Waltrip or Tim Richmond from back in the day...a refreshing change from the uber-boring Jimmie Johnson and the over-rated Dale Jr.

I like that he has no problem bowing to fans after race wins as if to say "F--- YOU HATERS!" to all the hillbillies wearing 88 shirts.

If I'm like someone who is honest, self-confident, successful and not ashamed to be the those things, then yeah I guess that would make fans of the under-achieving #88 driver "misreable" that they can't counter with their own driver's success, because he has so little of it.

As for yesterday, is it the driver's fault Toyota engines blew up? So does that make Matt Kenseth a loser too? Let's blow up Jr's engine when he's running 2nd and see how he finishes...give me a break dude.

Who's your driver, by the way? I'm guessing someone from the Hendrick team.

If you're going to make fun of someone for a typing mistake, you should double check to make sure your reply doesn't have any mistakes.

ECH: Look, people can be honest and say what they want w/o being a jerk.  Is that all he was doing when he went out of his way to wreck the truck driver who was competing for a championship?  Good ol' "just being honest Kyle", no problems. 
You can be all those things and still be a good guy.  Mark Martin says whats on his mind, but he's one of the most respected guys in the garage (ok, and now well past his prime).

And guys who have to say, in your words, "F___ You haters" thru their words as he does...are pretty small-minded individuals.  Let your actions speak for yourself...he's clearly one of the most talented drivers around. But his flaunting it reeks of the Miami Hurricanes of the old day, or the Running Rebels...all the bad guys.  So if you want to like that....more power to you.  But, you're the one who said Junior's fans are ALL a bunch of 'necks like him, so I'm just applying your own rules.

But hes won the same # of championships as Junior, in some part due to his gross immaturity and inability to control his temper.

My favorite driver?  Was Bobby Labonte years ago, but he's gone horrible for nearly a decade.  After that, it was Dale Earnhardt Sr for a bit, because he kind of got around the brashness at the end of his career, and was a much more tolerable sort.   Would still say his winning the Daytona 500, and the reaction aroudn that was one of the top 10 great sporting moments. 
 
I like Junior now, in part because he has handled all the churn (imagine being in that fishbowl with who his father was) with more class than the Busch brothers have demonstrated in their careers combined.

As for Hendrick...not a fan at all.  Dislike all his other drivers.  I like Joe Gibbs as an owner, and the relationship between he and K Busch is clearly one of the great oxymorons of business relationships. 

BTW, do you give Roy Williams a pass for "just being honest" when he says all the intolerable things he does?

PackChem91 wrote: ECH: Look, people can be honest and say what they want w/o being a jerk.  Is that all he was doing when he went out of his way to wreck the truck driver who was competing for a championship?  Good ol' "just being honest Kyle", no problems. 

Interesting how you neglect to mention what provoked that happening was Hornaday kept bumping Kyle repeatedly. Kyle responded out of retaliation and although it was foolish, he was punished for it and owned up to it after the fact.

You can be all those things and still be a good guy.  Mark Martin says whats on his mind, but he's one of the most respected guys in the garage (ok, and now well past his prime).

Mark Martin? Really? Remember his "Salute to You" Tour when he was supposed to retire years ago and then changed his mind 1/4 of the way through the season? Even he admitted Kyle is an incredible driver after he broke his record for all-time Nationwide/Busch Series wins.

And guys who have to say, in your words, "F___ You haters" thru their words as he does...are pretty small-minded individuals.  Let your actions speak for yourself...he's clearly one of the most talented drivers around. But his flaunting it reeks of the Miami Hurricanes of the old day, or the Running Rebels...all the bad guys.  So if you want to like that....more power to you.  But, you're the one who said Junior's fans are ALL a bunch of 'necks like him, so I'm just applying your own rules.

Why shouldn't he flaunt it? He wins the races and earns the right to celebrate anyway he chooses. Remember when Hall of Famer Darrell Waltrip was once asked "It looked like it was an easier day for you out there" and his answer was "That's the problem with me I make it look too easy!" Guys in NASCAR flaunted way before Kyle and they'll flaunt after him to, no different than NFL players who score TDs and do endzone dances. Interesting you compare Kyle to the "swagger" Miami Hurricanes and UNLV Runnin' Rebels from 2 decades ago. Many people still refer to those teams as college kids who made watching their sports more fun and you respected their talent. As they said, if you don't like it, you should beat us...when Kyle gets beat you don't see him bowing or anything like that. If you don't like how he celebrates, someone else should beat him everytime. Do you mind when Carl Edwards does the backflip? Did you mind when Tony Stewart climbed fences?

But hes won the same # of championships as Junior, in some part due to his gross immaturity and inability to control his temper.

And yet Jr has been in the sport 4-5 years longer and Kyle has won more NSCS races than Jr.

My favorite driver?  Was Bobby Labonte years ago, but he's gone horrible for nearly a decade.  After that, it was Dale Earnhardt Sr for a bit, because he kind of got around the brashness at the end of his career, and was a much more tolerable sort.   Would still say his winning the Daytona 500, and the reaction aroudn that was one of the top 10 great sporting moments. 

Agree Dale Sr. winning the 1998 Daytona 500 was a great sporting moment.
 
I like Junior now, in part because he has handled all the churn (imagine being in that fishbowl with who his father was) with more class than the Busch brothers have demonstrated in their careers combined.

How exactly with class? Before he blamed everything on his step-mother, then he switched to Hendrick and blamed everything on Tony Eury Jr., then he switched crew chiefs to Lance McGrew and blamed everything on him, then he switched crew chiefs to Steve Latarte and he blamed the Gen-5 cars for not winning, so NASCAR changed the car...what/who will he blame this year? Certainly not himself, oh no...but you know what, I bet Dale Jr not winning is all Kyle Busch's fault...yup.

As for Hendrick...not a fan at all.  Dislike all his other drivers.  I like Joe Gibbs as an owner, and the relationship between he and K Busch is clearly one of the great oxymorons of business relationships. 

I agree and I believe bringing Matt Kenseth to that team was in part a message to Kyle...a message of you can be replaced if you don't step up, a message I hope he understood.

BTW, do you give Roy Williams a pass for "just being honest" when he says all the intolerable things he does?

Absolutely not. Kyle may be a jerk, but as I said he is an honest jerk, you know where you stand with Kyle as he is not a politician. That's what I like about him, unlike the 48, Kyle is up front with you, you may not like it, but again at least you know where you stand. Roy is part of a massive cover-up to keep his athletes eligible and lies about it, there is a difference between an honest jerk and a dishonest jerk. Kyle is the former, Roy is the latter.

Not to bring the Nationwide crash back up...but this was being discussed quite a bit before the 500. This website has a great photo just prior to the front of the car being swallowed by the fence. You can clearly see both tires still in tact, and the car sitting just above the safer barrier.

No way the tire went over the fence from there. Most definitely went through the fence. One tire and the engine got caught up in the fencing...the other tire continued through the fence. I've been to enough races to know a tire can't get over the fence from where this car is sitting.

m.nbcnews.com/technology/techn...edown-1C8537538

ATLPACK wrote: Not to bring the Nationwide crash back up...but this was being discussed quite a bit before the 500. This website has a great photo just prior to the front of the car being swallowed by the fence. You can clearly see both tires still in tact, and the car sitting just above the safer barrier.

No way the tire went over the fence from there. Most definitely went through the fence. One tire and the engine got caught up in the fencing...the other tire continued through the fence. I've been to enough races to know a tire can't get over the fence from where this car is sitting.

m.nbcnews.com/technology/techn...edown-1C8537538

For sure.  I saw it clearly on my TV from the sportscenter highlight Sunday morning.  The youtube video on the computer is not as good.  You can see the tire behind the fence AND rising on the video as it flies into the stands.  It would have to be the "magical tire" in order to go over the fence.

I am sure nascar knows it went through the fence, but they are probably trying to keep that to themselves as much as possible.

Humpy Wheeler says it went over the fence:

Wheeler said his review of the video suggests the wheel went over the fence. If that’s found to be the case, he predicted many track owners will have to spend millions to raise the heights of their fences.

And that, he said, could “disrupt the sport completely.”

“The worst thing that anyone can think about is a wheel going over the fence,” he said.

http://www.thatsracin.com/2013/02/25/101538/two-wo rst-hurt-nascar-fans-in.html

With all due respect to Humpy...he's wrong. Probably speaking the NASCAR line. No way they want it to get out that all of that debris went through the fence.

Video looks over the fence to me.

Just look at the photo in the link above and think logically about the way the fence hangs over the track. No way it goes over the fence.

To me, it's much easier for NASCAR to say "raise the height of the fence" as opposed to "the whole fence design is insufficient".

To me the problem was in the access gate area. Wrong place, wrong time. Get rid of the access gates at all of the tracks and I think that problem goes away. I think it shows that the access gates weren't sufficiently reinforced.

Bryanth1a wrote:

copper2945 wrote:

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Danica and NNS wreck effect.

She was the only reason this newbie watched.  Now I can't wait for the next race.

News paper headline made me loller, it started out Danica takes pole

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FLWolf88 wrote:

ATLPACK wrote: Not to bring the Nationwide crash back up...but this was being discussed quite a bit before the 500. This website has a great photo just prior to the front of the car being swallowed by the fence. You can clearly see both tires still in tact, and the car sitting just above the safer barrier.

No way the tire went over the fence from there. Most definitely went through the fence. One tire and the engine got caught up in the fencing...the other tire continued through the fence. I've been to enough races to know a tire can't get over the fence from where this car is sitting.

m.nbcnews.com/technology/techn...edown-1C8537538

For sure.  I saw it clearly on my TV from the sportscenter highlight Sunday morning.  The youtube video on the computer is not as good.  You can see the tire behind the fence AND rising on the video as it flies into the stands.  It would have to be the "magical tire" in order to go over the fence.

I am sure nascar knows it went through the fence, but they are probably trying to keep that to themselves as much as possible.

The video I saw, you could clearly see it flying over the fence.  One thought -- perhaps it got ripped off by the fence, fell back to teh track where it got punted by another car over the fence.

I don't know much about the technology...but could then not tether the tires to prevent them from rolling away?  Surely they've considred that before....I thought Indy went to that after the Charlotte fatalaties?

48wolfpacker wrote: Video looks over the fence to me.

With all due respect, please watch the video from the camera near turn one.  If you watch closely you will see the tire appear behind the fence after the car has struck the fence.  You can then see the tire rising up into the stands BEHIND the fence.  It is below the top of the fence line from that camera angle. 

If it had flew over the fence it would have stayed above the fence line from that camera angle as it was rising into the stands.  But it did not.

I think it appears to be going over the fence, but is actually on the other side of the fence still rising as it enters the stands. The fence isn't straight vertical. It bends and curves out over the track by several feet. It would have to come from the infield grass to get to where it landed going over the fence.

And what are you going to tether the tire to...the while front end of the car was ripped off.

Here is the video.  Watch very closely around 0:25.  You will see the tire appear behind the fence and rising just as the car strikes the fence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL_G-jEuY7Q

It appears that the tire assembly breaks through the top of the fence.  I'm going to guess though that the tire assembly was not rotating like a bouncing loose tire.  It could have been worse.  While the fence did a pretty good job of controlling the car, NASCAR still has work to do to prevent large debris from making it through.

FLWolf88 wrote: Here is the video.  Watch very closely around 0:25.  You will see the tire appear behind the fence and rising just as the car strikes the fence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL_G-jEuY7Q

After pausing the video multiple times I take back my earlier opinion that the tire went over the top. FLWolf88, you are correct- it appears to have come through the lower part of the fence with the engine & other tire.

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crash42 wrote:

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Yamahog wrote:

PackBacker77 wrote: You should have been watching 20 years ago when it was real racing.

Well, at least NASCAR "technology" is still pretty much the same.

You should do a little research before posting!  There has been quite a bit of inovation and saftey features from NASCAR and the manufacturing sponsor over the last 20 years.  This year the hoods and deck lids are carbon fiber with a Kevlar coating.

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Oh come on. This is bout as pioneering as the drop snout car.

So what do suggest?  Let's hear it.

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grantwolf wrote: I preferred the restrictor plate races prior to the COT (before the two-by-two), back when you'd have lines of drafting cars passing the other line...then one forming in the middle...where you could go from 25th to 1st in 5-10 laps...a new leader practically every lap...and always a crazy *** finish.

Yesterday wasn't great, but is still better than what we got the last few years w/ the two-by-two, which was just annoying.

Pretty much spot on. Daytona and Talladega have sucked since the COT. I didn't watch on Sunday, nor do I plan on watching any race this year. Didn't quite know it at the time, but NASCAR lost me as a fan as soon as "The Chase" started. It took me a few years, but after slowly losing interest and watching some races here and there, I've decided that I'm finished. Once NASCAR took its image out of the South, it sealed its fate of a slow but sure death.