Lupin wrote: It's more likely that the NCAA chose to ignore evidence in the UNC case. 

FretlessPackJam wrote:

wrcwolf wrote: Cue the obligatory UNC rant.

Can the ncaa* be sued for illegally NOT obtaining informaiton related the the unc* investigation?

PackBacker1 wrote: I guess we now know why the NCAA is not looking into what is going on at UNC.  UNC has told them they would sue if they found any damaging information that was not personally provided by UNC.  UNC would not hide or cover up any damaging information.  Wink Wink.

MarkusAurelius wrote:

TruthBKnownReturns wrote:
But if that information is available to US thanks to FOIA, then it is also available to the NCAA thanks to FOIA.  Is it not?

How can they ignore anything that they DO have access to? 

They said that since the NCAA gained access to information it would not have otherwise had if not for bankruptcy proceedings, that they can not use that information against someone.  Likewise, it follows that if the NCAA gets information it would otherwise not have had through a criminal investagtion, for example, that they can not use that information against them.  Even if that information is made public.  Therefore they are not moving forward with the Notice Of Allegations against Miami. 

I strongly believe that if the information is public then it should be used.  But the NCAA is saying that's not the case, apparently.  If anyone has more information on this let us know.

RJWolfpack wrote:

Jay Bilas on twitter.

NCAA receptionist to Emmert: "Penn State on the line. They'd like to talk to you about the 'culture' of the NCAA. USC is on line 2."

RJWolfpack wrote:

Jay Bilas on twitter.

NCAA receptionist to Emmert: "Penn State on the line. They'd like to talk to you about the 'culture' of the NCAA. USC is on line 2."

BlackRazor wrote:

RJWolfpack wrote:

Jay Bilas on twitter.

NCAA receptionist to Emmert: "Penn State on the line. They'd like to talk to you about the 'culture' of the NCAA. USC is on line 2."

lol

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

RJWolfpack wrote:

Jay Bilas on twitter.

NCAA receptionist to Emmert: "Penn State on the line. They'd like to talk to you about the 'culture' of the NCAA. USC is on line 2."

lol

Jay Bilas can suck it.

Just a few months ago he was deriding the N&O and Kane for "piling on" unc-ch*. Also, his slant on the Googs/Corch fiasco was enough for me to want to kick his teeth in.

He also hasn't seen unc-ch* commit a foul since around 2009.

BlackRazor wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

BlackRazor wrote:

RJWolfpack wrote:

Jay Bilas on twitter.

NCAA receptionist to Emmert: "Penn State on the line. They'd like to talk to you about the 'culture' of the NCAA. USC is on line 2."

lol

Jay Bilas can suck it.

Just a few months ago he was deriding the N&O and Kane for "piling on" unc-ch*. Also, his slant on the Googs/Corch fiasco was enough for me to want to kick his teeth in.

He also hasn't seen unc-ch* commit a foul since around 2009.

I hear ya, I just like it when 2 people or groups I'm not fond of take shots @ each other.

I thought that Bilas did a nice job when he called our game the other day, non of his snide remarks that he sometimes makes that I heard.

At some point, major university presidents will wise up and form their own leagues. Enough will finally become enough.  When these leaders see the light and grow a pair of big ones, they will be stunned to learn how much cash will remain at each school and maybe will address supplementing the players at some reasonable level.

Who knows when but some change must come.  There is just too much S$$t going on.

At the end of that day, perhaps we can return to cheer for our teams and watch sports played on a truly level playing field.

fakeoutrage wrote: Launches external review of enforcement program:

Link

The NCAA national office has uncovered an issue of improper conduct within its enforcement program that occurred during the University of Miami investigation. Former NCAA enforcement staff members worked with the criminal defense attorney for Nevin Shapiro to improperly obtain information for the purposes of the NCAA investigation through a bankruptcy proceeding that did not involve the NCAA.

As it does not have subpoena power, the NCAA does not have the authority to compel testimony through procedures outside of its enforcement program. Through bankruptcy proceedings, enforcement staff gained information for the investigation that would not have been accessible otherwise.

jelly wrote:

At some point, major university presidents will wise up and form their own leagues. Enough will finally become enough.  When these leaders see the light and grow a pair of big ones, they will be stunned to learn how much cash will remain at each school and maybe will address supplementing the players at some reasonable level.

Who knows when but some change must come.  There is just too much S$$t going on.

At the end of that day, perhaps we can return to cheer for our teams and watch sports played on a truly level playing field.

direwolfpack wrote: any league started by university president will include U*NC at the highest level. If you think we're getting screwed now, wait until U*NC Bama, OSU, Mich and USC get to write their own rules.

BlackRazor wrote:

direwolfpack wrote: any league started by university president will include U*NC at the highest level. If you think we're getting screwed now, wait until U*NC Bama, OSU, Mich and USC get to write their own rules.

One of these 5 is not like the others - a wanna be FB power.

AlignedFor9 wrote: The NCAA now holds head coaches responsible for everything that goes on within their program... even if the head coaches legitmately had nothing to do with it.

Mark Emmert is the head coach of the NCAA.

I asked who would have signed off on such a move. Emmert said the office of general counsel Donald Remy. But, Emmert added, the issue never reached Remy's desk.

That suggests that for a period of months an investigator at the NCAA was allowed to go cowboy and hire Elena Perez without oversight. Wouldn't we all love that expense account?

This is becoming all too coincidental. No one in charge at unc-ch* knows anything, and Emmert has no clue as to the day-to-day, or even week-to-week operations of the single biggest ongoing case at the organization.

Yeah, sure he doesn't. I know when I worked under a huge umbrella I made executive decisions all the time without consent or knowledge of my superiors. Doesn't everyone????

direwolfpack wrote: One of these is a large State university/basketball power with friends in the highest places of other universities, government and media. There is simply no way a new athletic order is formed without U*NC in a position of influence. 

BlackRazor wrote:

direwolfpack wrote: any league started by university president will include U*NC at the highest level. If you think we're getting screwed now, wait until U*NC Bama, OSU, Mich and USC get to write their own rules.

One of these 5 is not like the others - a wanna be FB power.

but isn't the push for the big schools to pull away from the NCAA FB related?

I'm not willing to bet UNC will do as well in a new version of the NCAA where FB is king & the main reason the biggest schools want out of the NCAA.

direwolfpack wrote: any league started by university president will include U*NC at the highest level. If you think we're getting screwed now, wait until U*NC Bama, OSU, Mich and USC get to write their own rules.

jelly wrote:

At some point, major university presidents will wise up and form their own leagues. Enough will finally become enough.  When these leaders see the light and grow a pair of big ones, they will be stunned to learn how much cash will remain at each school and maybe will address supplementing the players at some reasonable level.

Who knows when but some change must come.  There is just too much S$$t going on.

At the end of that day, perhaps we can return to cheer for our teams and watch sports played on a truly level playing field.

TruthBKnownReturns wrote: I have no problem with that, as long as we KNOW the rules and are allowed to follow them the same as everyone else.  All I really care about is leveling the playing field.  When one team is cheating and the others are not, then it is not level.

BlackRazor wrote:

direwolfpack wrote: One of these is a large State university/basketball power with friends in the highest places of other universities, government and media. There is simply no way a new athletic order is formed without U*NC in a position of influence. 

BlackRazor wrote:

direwolfpack wrote: any league started by university president will include U*NC at the highest level. If you think we're getting screwed now, wait until U*NC Bama, OSU, Mich and USC get to write their own rules.

One of these 5 is not like the others - a wanna be FB power.

but isn't the push for the big schools to pull away from the NCAA FB related?

I'm not willing to bet UNC will do as well in a new version of the NCAA where FB is king & the main reason the biggest schools want out of the NCAA.

direwolfpack wrote: The football powers don't care about basketball so U*NC will have free reign to do whatever they want plus any advantages afforded for football. We see U*NC as a corrupt monster. The big schools see U*NC as a kindred spirit. The ONLY explanation for the lack of outcry is that either schools like Bama, Mich, USC, etc either already have an "AFAM" department or are working on one as we speak. Remember Michigan and Auburn got busted for the exact same fraud a few years back albeit on a smaller scale. Heck to a lot of those schools what U*NC did regarding the illegal benefits is small time. All of U*NC's reported benefits combined.were less than what Miss St tried to pay Cam Newton. 

BlackRazor wrote:

TruthBKnownReturns wrote: I have no problem with that, as long as we KNOW the rules and are allowed to follow them the same as everyone else.  All I really care about is leveling the playing field.  When one team is cheating and the others are not, then it is not level.

Amen!

And why certain schools don't want to be exposed & lose their advantage. How can they dominate if the odds aren't in their favor to the degree to which they & their fans are accustomed?

BlackRazor wrote:

direwolfpack wrote: The football powers don't care about basketball so U*NC will have free reign to do whatever they want plus any advantages afforded for football. We see U*NC as a corrupt monster. The big schools see U*NC as a kindred spirit. The ONLY explanation for the lack of outcry is that either schools like Bama, Mich, USC, etc either already have an "AFAM" department or are working on one as we speak. Remember Michigan and Auburn got busted for the exact same fraud a few years back albeit on a smaller scale. Heck to a lot of those schools what U*NC did regarding the illegal benefits is small time. All of U*NC's reported benefits combined.were less than what Miss St tried to pay Cam Newton. 

Then so will we or NCSU should get the eff out of playing sports if we allow ourselves to be handicapped. If it ever gets to that point, then top coaches will know they can't win @ NCSU or any school that chooses to play by a tougher set of rules.

OrangeCane wrote: I think the main issue here is that the NCAA was paying the main lawyer for the person who was the source of all the major accusations against Miami and its former coaches.  That has to be a conflict of interest.  She also abused her subpoena power to ask questions unrelated to finances in a bankruptcy hearing.  My guess is that the big problem originates there, not in the NCAA working with a lawyer or private investigator.

CSCPACK1984 wrote: Is this really "ILLEGAL", or is it just against NCAA policy?

OrangeCane wrote: I think the main issue here is that the NCAA was paying the main lawyer for the person who was the source of all the major accusations against Miami and its former coaches.  That has to be a conflict of interest.  She also abused her subpoena power to ask questions unrelated to finances in a bankruptcy hearing.  My guess is that the big problem originates there, not in the NCAA working with a lawyer or private investigator.