Can we please offer Coger already. Even if we get Randle, it's painfully obvious we lack depth, badly.

If the staff feels that Coger can contribute, they will offer him. No reason to offer a player just because you have open schollies.

TexasWolfpack wrote:

chargerbomb wrote:

TexasWolfpack wrote:

Engineer65 wrote:

TexasWolfpack wrote:

Based on Gott's short time here - I don't anticipate him offering much 3* or less talent.  The only recruit who could even be considered a borderline 4* recruit is Washington - who I really like.  Seems like a relatively low 4* is Gott's version of taking a flyer on someone. 

If he does't sign some with less than four stars, we'll always have a short bench.  Rivals, for example, has a total of 113 four and five star recruits.  Not all of those are going to eligible in the ACC, and a few may turn pro before college.  Given that small pool, there will just be a few schools which can stock up with the top guys, and NC State is not one of those.

I'm not quite so sure about this; Gott hasn't been here that long and thus far has an incredible track record in recruiting.  Since taking over, he might actually be the 2nd best recruiter so far; granted Calipari is in a league by himself - I'm not sure if any other coach has done better than Gott.

Crean and K have brought in more talent than Gott since he's been here.  

But yeah, he has recruited very well.

I'm not sure how long Crean has been at IU but we've averaged more stars for 2012, 2013, and 2014 than Indiana.  I'll give you K though.

Bill Self and Josh Pastner are reeling in some top guys as well.

Cat Barber with 28 tonight, he is 29 points away from setting the Peninsula District all time scoring record, currently held by Tony Rutland(Wake)

Hampton forces a one game playoff for the Division title with Kecoughtan,(Hampton beat them once this week already)

we need help fast! Need another CJ Williams, a player who can play DEFENSE!!

Please recuit hussling, D playing, smart players who want to work there arse off all the time! Do Washington/Anya/barber know how much they will play next year. I hope they work on their footwork and defensive ability in the off season.

Self & Pastner are doing well but I still think Gott has them beat by a little in the recruiting front; I just have Cal and K as the only ones that I think are doing better recruit wise since G's been here.

One thing is for sure - Gott has quickly turned around the brand from the damage done by his predecessor.  We're on the radar for a bunch of top 2014 recruits and still in for Randle for 2013.

TexasWolfpack wrote: Self & Pastner are doing well but I still think Gott has them beat by a little in the recruiting front; I just have Cal and K as the only ones that I think are doing better recruit wise since G's been here.

One thing is for sure - Gott has quickly turned around the brand from the damage done by his predecessor.  We're on the radar for a bunch of top 2014 recruits and still in for Randle for 2013.

Sean Miller has been killing it out west, and even Ben Howland has better results thus far (#1 recruiting class last season, a 5* and a 4* already signed up for next season). Roy's recruiting has been down some but on paper he's on par with what Gott has pulled in these past two years and if he can pay, er, sway Wiggins then that will definitely put him ahead of Gott. 

I'm thrilled with what Gott has been able to do so far, but let's not jump the gun and compare him to Cal and K.

NCStateFanForLife wrote:

TexasWolfpack wrote: Self & Pastner are doing well but I still think Gott has them beat by a little in the recruiting front; I just have Cal and K as the only ones that I think are doing better recruit wise since G's been here.

One thing is for sure - Gott has quickly turned around the brand from the damage done by his predecessor.  We're on the radar for a bunch of top 2014 recruits and still in for Randle for 2013.

Sean Miller has been killing it out west, and even Ben Howland has better results thus far (#1 recruiting class last season, a 5* and a 4* already signed up for next season). Roy's recruiting has been down some but on paper he's on par with what Gott has pulled in these past two years and if he can pay, er, sway Wiggins then that will definitely put him ahead of Gott. 

I'm thrilled with what Gott has been able to do so far, but let's not jump the gun and compare him to Cal and K.

You guys are killing me - can't keep up checking the classes LOL.  I'm talking just recruiting ; I knew Cal was doing better and checked on K after another poster mentioned his classes.  I'm going off average *s not overall classes - I've seen some classes highly rated that were large like 6 3*.  I did give Gott a slight edge leaving off TDT as one of his recruits.

NCStateFanForLife wrote:

TexasWolfpack wrote: Self & Pastner are doing well but I still think Gott has them beat by a little in the recruiting front; I just have Cal and K as the only ones that I think are doing better recruit wise since G's been here.

One thing is for sure - Gott has quickly turned around the brand from the damage done by his predecessor.  We're on the radar for a bunch of top 2014 recruits and still in for Randle for 2013.

Sean Miller has been killing it out west, and even Ben Howland has better results thus far (#1 recruiting class last season, a 5* and a 4* already signed up for next season). Roy's recruiting has been down some but on paper he's on par with what Gott has pulled in these past two years and if he can pay, er, sway Wiggins then that will definitely put him ahead of Gott. 

I'm thrilled with what Gott has been able to do so far, but let's not jump the gun and compare him to Cal and K.

Problem with Howland is he may not even make it to next season as a coach, As for his class next year, all three players are SG's. Plus he cannot keep the high level talent he signs. Howland can talk them into UCLA, but cant get maximum out of them. He is a excellent recruiter, but I am going with Gott if I had a choice. Love what Pastner is doing at Memphis after the mess Cal left for him and Sean Miller is bringing them in droves. If I had to rate a top list it would be

Cal
Coach K
Self
Miller/Roy tie
Gott/Pastner tie

Just for the last couple of classes
Billy Donovan at Florida is top ten as well.

Julius Randle on official visit to Texas this weekend.

I wonder what the mentality of a guy like Randle is right about now. I'm sure he hasn't missed our slide out of the rankings and woeful performances against some pretty bad teams.

Does a player like that say, "I can help fix this." Or, does he say, "I don't want to be on the sinking ship."

Kecoughtan beats out Hampton for the number 1 spot in the District. Teams most likely will meet again in the tournament. Barber had an ok game, but he really needs to develop a jump shot. At this point, I think it is safe to say T. Lewis will be the starter next year.

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Kecoughtan beats out Hampton for the number 1 spot in the District. Teams most likely will meet again in the tournament. Barber had an ok game, but he really needs to develop a jump shot. At this point, I think it is safe to say T. Lewis will be the starter next year.

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Either way, I'm just glad we don't have to worry about the point guard position next year even if (when) Zo leaves.

dunlow66 wrote: Julius Randle on official visit to Texas this weekend.

Texas host Oklahoma State at 1:45 - ESPN3.

Might just have to watch that game.  Hopefully OSU wins by 50.

TexasWolfpack wrote:

chargerbomb wrote:

TexasWolfpack wrote:

Engineer65 wrote:

TexasWolfpack wrote:

Based on Gott's short time here - I don't anticipate him offering much 3* or less talent.  The only recruit who could even be considered a borderline 4* recruit is Washington - who I really like.  Seems like a relatively low 4* is Gott's version of taking a flyer on someone. 

If he does't sign some with less than four stars, we'll always have a short bench.  Rivals, for example, has a total of 113 four and five star recruits.  Not all of those are going to eligible in the ACC, and a few may turn pro before college.  Given that small pool, there will just be a few schools which can stock up with the top guys, and NC State is not one of those.

I'm not quite so sure about this; Gott hasn't been here that long and thus far has an incredible track record in recruiting.  Since taking over, he might actually be the 2nd best recruiter so far; granted Calipari is in a league by himself - I'm not sure if any other coach has done better than Gott.

Crean and K have brought in more talent than Gott since he's been here.  

But yeah, he has recruited very well.

I'm not sure how long Crean has been at IU but we've averaged more stars for 2012, 2013, and 2014 than Indiana.  I'll give you K though.

Crean has been at IU 5 years this coming April.   And no one should be surprised at Josh Pastner's recruiting ability considering he learned his craft from Calipari...

LetsGoState wrote:

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Kecoughtan beats out Hampton for the number 1 spot in the District. Teams most likely will meet again in the tournament. Barber had an ok game, but he really needs to develop a jump shot. At this point, I think it is safe to say T. Lewis will be the starter next year.

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Either way, I'm just glad we don't have to worry about the point guard position next year even if (when) Zo leaves.

State finally has point guards-plural, amazing!

Sidy Djitte had 28 points, 17 rebounds and 4 blocks tonight


Cat Barber with 13 points in the loss tonight, Hampton may have been a little tired, third game this week and back to back games because of the extra playoff game to determine Peninsula district top seed.

wolfpack87 wrote: Can we please offer Coger already. Even if we get Randle, it's painfully obvious we lack depth, badly.

talked to a guy who has coached and worked directly with Coger..says State is where he thinks he will end up....says it will be a last minute deal base upon who jumps, commits etc.

That makes sense diddly ^^^^ it is the proper way to do things for both parties. NCSU has higher ranked recruits to chase & they know Coger loves NCSU, so in a way he could be a last resort, but in another way -- he could be a good "fall-back"

LiveWolvesinUnitards wrote: I wonder what the mentality of a guy like Randle is right about now. I'm sure he hasn't missed our slide out of the rankings and woeful performances against some pretty bad teams.

Does a player like that say, "I can help fix this." Or, does he say, "I don't want to be on the sinking ship."

maybe it is the optimist in me but as far as recruiting him goes I think the past few games have been a plus. Most likely he isn't going to be playing with Lorenzo Brown next year and now he has had a chance to see that we are still going to have a very good pass first PG who knows how to get him the ball in Tyler Lewis. If Brown comes back that is just a bonus.

Said it before... None of y'all would care about Coger at all if he was from Jackson, Mississippi. He's only being mentioned because he is from Raleigh.

He has had plenty of exposure these last few year. Ever wonder why other d1 programs aren't in hot pursuit of him?

Anyone that has seen him lay in person will tell to the he isn't an ACC prospect. He's a mid major prospect on a good day.

abcfan2005 wrote: Said it before... None of y'all would care about Coger at all if he was from Jackson, Mississippi. He's only being mentioned because he is from Raleigh.

He has had plenty of exposure these last few year. Ever wonder why other d1 programs aren't in hot pursuit of him?

Anyone that has seen him lay in person will tell to the he isn't an ACC prospect. He's a mid major prospect on a good day.

I think everyone realizes this. It's just that I don't think most coaches use that entire 13 scholarship allotment anyway, so what would it hurt if you did throw him a scholarship? Maybe he's happy sitting on the bench a couple of years and can contribute a bit as a reserve by his 3rd or 4th year. It's sort of a no risk situation.

It is a risk though. Gott isn't going to take kids that he thinks might transfer due to lack of PT. If a kid leaves your program with less than a certain RPI, it will hurt your RPI. We've been affected by this due to a few transfers already. Can't risk it.

(This was all explained to me by someone on staff)

I wouldn't want him to take someone who is likely to transfer. I guess it would just depend on Gott and Coger having a conversation where he understands he's probably not going to play much his first couple of years. I don't really know what the kid's mentality is. I guess a lot would depend on his thinking.

I think it would be better than having to turn to walkons in a crunch. This season we are just one more injury away from likely having to play non scholarship players in ACC games, that is not what we need as a program. IF a kid like Coger or Gary Clark in '14 love NCSU and want to be here, why not give them a shot. If we were like Louisville and sending away scholarship kids to open spots for other players, I would understand. but we are not in that position. If Gott is going to recruit and sign five star players who may or may not leave early for the NBA, isnt it a good idea to have a few kids in the program who can step in a fill the rotation out when injury or early exits strike?

LetsGoState wrote:

abcfan2005 wrote: Said it before... None of y'all would care about Coger at all if he was from Jackson, Mississippi. He's only being mentioned because he is from Raleigh.

He has had plenty of exposure these last few year. Ever wonder why other d1 programs aren't in hot pursuit of him?

Anyone that has seen him lay in person will tell to the he isn't an ACC prospect. He's a mid major prospect on a good day.

I think everyone realizes this. It's just that I don't think most coaches use that entire 13 scholarship allotment anyway, so what would it hurt if you did throw him a scholarship? Maybe he's happy sitting on the bench a couple of years and can contribute a bit as a reserve by his 3rd or 4th year. It's sort of a no risk situation.

Wasn't Josh Davis another local product who was not highly rated and wanted to play at State? Even if they are able to contribute, they still need to stick around if they are going to be of any help.

seniorwolf60 wrote:
Even if they are able to contribute, they still need to stick around if they are going to be of any help.

I am going to hate myself even more for posting this information

Sports Illustrated - February 4
The proliferation of graduate exceptions and hardship waivers, and the high transfer rate overall—according to the NCAA, 40% of D-I players will leave their original school before the end of their sophomore year

John Wall and Pack Pride's most second most-wanted recruit going one-on-one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...p;v=VWmoSttOm_A

dunlow66 wrote: I think it would be better than having to turn to walkons in a crunch. This season we are just one more injury away from likely having to play non scholarship players in ACC games, that is not what we need as a program. IF a kid like Coger or Gary Clark in '14 love NCSU and want to be here, why not give them a shot. If we were like Louisville and sending away scholarship kids to open spots for other players, I would understand. but we are not in that position. If Gott is going to recruit and sign five star players who may or may not leave early for the NBA, isnt it a good idea to have a few kids in the program who can step in a fill the rotation out when injury or early exits strike?

I think Gott is trying to build depth slowly.  Unbalanced big classes rarely work out for everybody.

I think he end up signing 5.  The three inked, + a big and + a transfer (JC or otherwise).  You also add Turner. 

I don't know anything about Coger or Clark.  Whether those guys would be happy not figuring to be in the rotation - I don't know.  I trust the staff to evaluate that.

Last year, we all wanted to take Josh Newkirk, the local top 100 kid.  While Josh is a good player and certainly capable of playing ACC ball, its pretty clear he wouldn't have a clear spot here with Barber and Lewis.

9mariowilliams90 wrote:

dunlow66 wrote: I think it would be better than having to turn to walkons in a crunch. This season we are just one more injury away from likely having to play non scholarship players in ACC games, that is not what we need as a program. IF a kid like Coger or Gary Clark in '14 love NCSU and want to be here, why not give them a shot. If we were like Louisville and sending away scholarship kids to open spots for other players, I would understand. but we are not in that position. If Gott is going to recruit and sign five star players who may or may not leave early for the NBA, isnt it a good idea to have a few kids in the program who can step in a fill the rotation out when injury or early exits strike?

I think Gott is trying to build depth slowly.  Unbalanced big classes rarely work out for everybody.

I think he end up signing 5.  The three inked, + a big and + a transfer (JC or otherwise).  You also add Turner. 

I don't know anything about Coger or Clark.  Whether those guys would be happy not figuring to be in the rotation - I don't know.  I trust the staff to evaluate that.

Last year, we all wanted to take Josh Newkirk, the local top 100 kid.  While Josh is a good player and certainly capable of playing ACC ball, its pretty clear he wouldn't have a clear spot here with Barber and Lewis.

That is a good argument, but suppose Barber or Lewis are injured, just like Brown has been this season, then what? Purvis at the point, that hasnt worked very well this year. I dont think we should just hand out scholarships to fill up the roster, but we are thin and will be again next season even if we bring in only five players, I want Randle, I hope and wish for Randle, but I dont think we are getting him. Without Randle we have Anya, Washington, and   .........Vandy(useless in my book) if he doesnt graduate and leave. He is a redshirt junior. That is no depth once again. You cant count Turner in this class, he will be a junior. JUCO's are great and I hope we get a nice one or two, but NCSU is not known as a JUCO haven like some other programs(Iowa St). JUCO players would be in our system for 2 years, a local prospect could even redshirt and be exposed to our system for 5 years if necessary. If the staff doesnt want Coger, fine with me, but then get someone else, it is getting very late in the recruiting game for 2013 and I can envision another season of praying for no "Ankle Sprains"

APR?

abcfan2005 wrote: It is a risk though. Gott isn't going to take kids that he thinks might transfer due to lack of PT. If a kid leaves your program with less than a certain GPA, it will hurt your RPI. We've been affected by this due to a few transfers already. Can't risk it.

(This was all explained to me by someone on staff)

abcfan2005 wrote: Said it before... None of y'all would care about Coger at all if he was from Jackson, Mississippi. He's only being mentioned because he is from Raleigh.

He has had plenty of exposure these last few year. Ever wonder why other d1 programs aren't in hot pursuit of him?

Anyone that has seen him lay in person will tell to the he isn't an ACC prospect. He's a mid major prospect on a good day.

Last I checked, he was once committed to Missouri and was just offered by Villanova. Far above mid major basketball. He will go to a program in one of the major conferences, IMO

diddlybo wrote:

wolfpack87 wrote: Can we please offer Coger already. Even if we get Randle, it's painfully obvious we lack depth, badly.

talked to a guy who has coached and worked directly with Coger..says State is where he thinks he will end up....says it will be a last minute deal base upon who jumps, commits etc.

Good deal. Makes sense, as someone already mentioned.

I like it when kids want to be here, and we have a class loaded with 4 and 5 star kids, I don't think there is a single thing wrong with taking a hard working player at a position of high need that wants to be here, and will most likely stay here for 4 years.

Yea, meant APR. my bad.

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APR?

abcfan2005 wrote: It is a risk though. Gott isn't going to take kids that he thinks might transfer due to lack of PT. If a kid leaves your program with less than a certain GPA, it will hurt your RPI. We've been affected by this due to a few transfers already. Can't risk it.

(This was all explained to me by someone on staff)

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I want Gott to get quality players, but right now we just have a numbers problem.  We have eight guys on Scholly, and one of those is Vandy.  The rest are walk-ons.  Of those eight, better than average chance four of them are gone next year, with only three players currently signed.  Even if we luck up and sign Randle() that would still leave us at eight on scholly.  We need some additional depth just for practice, if nothing else.  Think about it right now, our first team is playing against a team of TJ, and then Vandy and walkons.  Not sure if Stats is going to push Purvis or the guys to take down the Duke, UNC, etc of the world.

jbwbubba wrote: I want Gott to get quality players, but right now we just have a numbers problem.  We have eight guys on Scholly, and one of those is Vandy.  The rest are walk-ons.  Of those eight, better than average chance four of them are gone next year, with only three players currently signed.  Even if we luck up and sign Randle() that would still leave us at eight on scholly.  We need some additional depth just for practice, if nothing else.  Think about it right now, our first team is playing against a team of TJ, and then Vandy and walkons.  Not sure if Stats is going to push Purvis or the guys to take down the Duke, UNC, etc of the world.

Your forgetting Turner in your numbers counts.  We likely lose (4), we'll add at least 4. 

We are still after Randle and Djittle.  I'm sure we are going to go after a few 5th year senior transfer too.  I think we are involved with a few JC guys. 

You guys act like we Gott plan to lead us into the season with a 8 man scholarship rotation.  Let's replay the events - Harris transfer, Raymond transfer, Jefferson committs to Duke, Painter transfer and De Thay quits the team.  We reportedly were interested in the UCONN big man and Dez Wells.

Gott knows what he's doing.  He's not going to fill our roster with guys who can't contribute. 


Gott's buidling depth.

9mariowilliams90 wrote:

jbwbubba wrote: I want Gott to get quality players, but right now we just have a numbers problem.  We have eight guys on Scholly, and one of those is Vandy.  The rest are walk-ons.  Of those eight, better than average chance four of them are gone next year, with only three players currently signed.  Even if we luck up and sign Randle() that would still leave us at eight on scholly.  We need some additional depth just for practice, if nothing else.  Think about it right now, our first team is playing against a team of TJ, and then Vandy and walkons.  Not sure if Stats is going to push Purvis or the guys to take down the Duke, UNC, etc of the world.

Your forgetting Turner in your numbers counts.  We likely lose (4), we'll add at least 4. 

We are still after Randle and Djittle.  I'm sure we are going to go after a few 5th year senior transfer too.  I think we are involved with a few JC guys. 

You guys act like we Gott plan to lead us into the season with a 8 man scholarship rotation.  Let's replay the events - Harris transfer, Raymond transfer, Jefferson committs to Duke, Painter transfer and De Thay quits the team.  We reportedly were interested in the UCONN big man and Dez Wells.

Gott knows what he's doing.  He's not going to fill our roster with guys who can't contribute. 


Gott's buidling depth.

Questionable

9mariowilliams90 wrote:

jbwbubba wrote: I want Gott to get quality players, but right now we just have a numbers problem.  We have eight guys on Scholly, and one of those is Vandy.  The rest are walk-ons.  Of those eight, better than average chance four of them are gone next year, with only three players currently signed.  Even if we luck up and sign Randle() that would still leave us at eight on scholly.  We need some additional depth just for practice, if nothing else.  Think about it right now, our first team is playing against a team of TJ, and then Vandy and walkons.  Not sure if Stats is going to push Purvis or the guys to take down the Duke, UNC, etc of the world.

Your forgetting Turner in your numbers counts.  We likely lose (4), we'll add at least 4. 

We are still after Randle and Djittle.  I'm sure we are going to go after a few 5th year senior transfer too.  I think we are involved with a few JC guys. 

You guys act like we Gott plan to lead us into the season with a 8 man scholarship rotation.  Let's replay the events - Harris transfer, Raymond transfer, Jefferson committs to Duke, Painter transfer and De Thay quits the team.  We reportedly were interested in the UCONN big man and Dez Wells.

Gott knows what he's doing.  He's not going to fill our roster with guys who can't contribute. 


Gott's buidling depth.

I bet Harris and his daddy regrets his move now. He would have gotten PT this year, and would be in line to get even more next year, if not start. 

Anyway, we put all our eggs in the Jefferson basket, and lost. It's tough to jump on these kids late in the recruiting year and expect to get a bite. Hell we couldn't even land the Bojanovsky kid that went to FSU. But it is what it is.

Dude above said, "Questionable" ---- WHO In the name of college basketball do you think NCSU can realistically hire? Yea, I bet Billy D & Sean Miller are coming.

IF some of our fans would quit backstabbing, 2nd guessing, whining, complaining, and fabricating know-it-all garbage answers & actually CHEER AT GAMES LIKE every team was unc-cheat & dook then maybe our team would play better. We need much better fans.

With special fans like this, maybe NCSU deserves herbie sendek & sidney lowe & les robinson. Don't talk about BB IQ for our players, when our FANS have 0 IQ. Pitiful.