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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:45 AM
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SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Difference between argument and debate. If you read my post I even say why Tiger if he ships this event tomorrow is going to do big things this year. Every time he has won here to start his year out he's produced in the Majors. Have to wait and see but the 5 year argument is beyond ridiculous. Hell he won the US Open on June 16, 2008 and hasn't played in 4 years worth of majors since (14). 7 top 10's, 5 top 5's since that win all white developing and tinkering with a new swing. Yea to think the wall isn't going to come down very soon is only denying the inevitable. Of course Tiger has gone 2 separate stints during his career where there were 10 majors he played in between victories, acting like 14 is such a ridiculous slump isn't looking at his career in an honest light. When he ended those slumps he won 4 in 2 years both times, and 5 in 3 years both times. When the wall falls, and it will that's where he'll start adding to the total again.
Is that debate enough for you? I am a Tiger fan....but it has been nearly 5 years since he won a major. There is nothing ridiculous about that argument. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:58 AM
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SidsSouljahBoy wrote: Difference between argument and debate. If you read my post I even say why Tiger if he ships this event tomorrow is going to do big things this year. Every time he has won here to start his year out he's produced in the Majors. Have to wait and see but the 5 year argument is beyond ridiculous. Hell he won the US Open on June 16, 2008 and hasn't played in 4 years worth of majors since (14). 7 top 10's, 5 top 5's since that win all white developing and tinkering with a new swing. Yea to think the wall isn't going to come down very soon is only denying the inevitable. Of course Tiger has gone 2 separate stints during his career where there were 10 majors he played in between victories, acting like 14 is such a ridiculous slump isn't looking at his career in an honest light. When he ended those slumps he won 4 in 2 years both times, and 5 in 3 years both times. When the wall falls, and it will that's where he'll start adding to the total again.
Is that debate enough for you? I am a Tiger fan....but it has been nearly 5 years since he won a major. There is nothing ridiculous about that argument. That's my point though it's not an argument it's a statement and people keep acting like it's a ridiculously bad thing that's never happened. Like I already said two different streaks of 10 majors between wins. 14 isn't 10, but the "slump" isn't as ridiculous as OMG he's never going to win one again as so many people make it out to be. The more respectable argument is Tiger won't win one anytime soon because the fields are so deep. That's the only thing I see potentially stopping him, not his mind or some silly drought notion.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 1:58 AM
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He hasn't won a major in 5 years, that is a fact. His peers no longer are scared of him that is a fact. He is a basket case in the majors anymore, that is a fact. He now chokes leads in majors where he never did before 2008, that is a fact. Anything else you try and state as a prelude to his winning more majors is all speculation. He hasn't won a major in 5 years, so to try and say winning a meaningless Farmers Insurance Open is a precursor to winning a major this year is pure pseudo science. Until he shows he can win a major again the "slump" is FIVE years and counting. He is NOT the greatest golfer of all time as 18>14 especially how Nicklaus won his against all time great golfers not the chokers Tiger beat in his run. Now that a true champ has come on the scene, McIlroy, Tiger has done nothing in the majors.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:13 AM
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So not winning a major in 5 years is a small little drought. He has wasted 5 years of his prime without winning a major but he is suddenly going to start winning majors again as he gets older, LMFAO. The deep fields have nothing to do with tiger losing majors anymore, he plays like crap on majors weekends, he is no longer mentally able to win majors and the pressure only builds with each failure and time is not on his side. Please try and actually discuss golf intelligently instead of making excuses for your idol.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:10 AM
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suddenly going to start winning majors again as he gets older, LMFAO Yes, because older players simply can't go through a drought and win a major. Good point. Oh, wait: - Julius Boros: 1968 PGA Championship, 48 years, 4 months, 18 days
- Jack Nicklaus: 1986 Masters, 46 years, 2 months, 23 days
- Hale Irwin: 1990 U.S. Open, 45 years, 15 days old
- Lee Trevino: 1984 PGA Championship, 44 years, 8 months, 18 days
- Raymond Floyd: 1986 U.S. Open, 43 years, 9 months, 11 days
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:14 AM
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Did any of these win 5 MAJORS after the age of 37, I guess you missed the plural .Were any of these players on HGH like Tiger and who hasn't won a major since his Canadian doctor was indicted ? Were any of these players except Nicklaus, chasing the record 18 majors? Tiger is a head case who wants something he can't have and puts enormous pressure on himslef that he can't handle in the majors. It is fun watching him implode and make a fool of himself on the major weekends, poetic justice for a guy who is a serial cheater on and off the course.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:08 AM
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The dude looks pretty dominant this weekend. I know this is a place he wins a lot, but that shouldn't detract from the performance. Will he be able to carry the momentum over to the next tournments and build on it up to the Masters? Who knows.
I don't like the guy, and it won't hurt my feelings if he never wins a major again....but, if he plays at his best at any given major, there are only a few guys who could keep up with him, so I expect he'll win more.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:45 AM
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ROLL TIGER ROLL!!!!!
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Posted: 1/28/2013 4:37 PM
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Golf Channel also reports that Fritsch was intending to qualify for Phoenix. With his play today, he's likely not going to remain in the top 10 either. Tough deal. What's even better is that WRAL has decided the Young & Restless is more worthwhile than golf. www.golfchannel.com/news/golft...ifier-for-some/"They're our television partners, and they wanted to show it," he explained, noting that the decision on when to resume play Monday was one that was made late Sunday morning. "I thought we'd probably come in and finish tomorrow morning on Golf Channel, but CBS wants to do that and we're more than happy to accommodate." Those affected by the decision include several players in contention, notably Brad Fritsch, who will begin play Monday in fourth place with 11 holes remaining. Billy Horschel and Tag Ridings, both currently tied for 16th at 4 under, are also among the players whose plans for next week have been affected. When they get back on the South Course Monday, however, they - like Fritsch - will do so knowing that a top-10 finish at Torrey Pines will also grant them a spot in next week's field. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:06 PM
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Fritsch finished tied for 9th. Tiger wobbled home for an easy win.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:13 PM
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No huge fan of Tiger, I don't mind him. . . but I don't pull for him. That said, I think he is going to have a huge year and win a Major or two. He seems to be in a better place with his personal life and his swing looks the best it has since 08.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:17 PM
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^^ Birdied #17 and #18 for a 75 and T9. Good for him. Watching him today, around the greens is an issue for him.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 1:39 PM
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Vijay gets caught up in the SI report on SWATS. Will the Tour suspend him for a year? Seems that should be the case. Doesn't say much for the testing procedure on the Tour or in the NFL. But no one cares if NFL players juice. Vijay's statement: "While I have used deer antler spray, at no time was I aware that it may contain a substance that is banned under the PGA Tour Anti-Doping Policy. In fact, when I first received the product, I reviewed the list of ingredients and did not see any prohibited substances. I am absolutely shocked that deer antler spray may contain a banned substance and am angry that I have put myself in this position. I have been in contact with the PGA Tour and am cooperating fully with their review of this matter. I will not be commenting further at this time." sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-de...9411--golf.htmlPGA Tour doping policy: "does not matter whether you intentionally or unknowingly used a prohibited substance.''
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:11 PM
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On Aug. 17, 2011, the Tour issued an “anti-doping warning” via the green sheet which is circulated to players monthly, when it was learned that Mark Calcavecchia and Ken Green were endorsing S.W.A.T.S’ “Ultimate Spray.” “The PGA Tour has learned that a supplement product marketed as ‘deer antler spray’ contains a prohibited substance under the PGA Tour anti-doping program,” the warning read.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:57 PM
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I think Tiger will win one maybe 2 majors this year. Because i think he is finally in control of his "new swing" A new swing takes a few years to really trust..and what is this year 3? I would bet that Tiger will win one major this year.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:11 PM
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You mean the new swing that went to hell on Sunday when he started hitting the ball 50 to 70 yards off line ? He started choking on Sunday with a huge lead in a meaningless tourney, he will again be a basket case on the weekends of majors. He will not win another major this year.
Will be interesting to see what they do to Vijay when all the HGH use Tiger did with the Canadian doctor is out there and the PGA did nothing to their meal ticket, wonder why ?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:12 PM
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^^^ Tough to claim ignorance after that report, IMO. If he does get a year ban, does he come back to the Tour or Champions Tour? Should have plenty of money, no real need to return except for the competitive juices. Do you say "**** it" or comeback and have to deal with the media scrutiny and whispers of fellow competitors?
^^ If Tiger hits it off the tee like he did the first 45 holes, he should be in the hunt at all of the majors this year. If he hits it off the tee like he did the last 27 holes, he'll have zero chance at Merion (US Open), Oak Hill (PGA) and most likely Muirfield (Open). He will always have a chance at Augusta.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:40 PM
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wrcwolf wrote:
^^ If Tiger hits it off the tee like he did the first 45 holes, he should be in the hunt at all of the majors this year. If he hits it off the tee like he did the last 27 holes, he'll have zero chance at Merion (US Open), Oak Hill (PGA) and most likely Muirfield (Open). He will always have a chance at Augusta. That was his problem last year. He would look good during rounds 1 & 2. Rounds 3 & 4 were his problems. I still see putting issues. Saturday and Sunday against the competition in majors.. my money will be on the field again this year.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:40 PM
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Heard "Keith Hills" get a very nice mention on the air Sunday during discussion on Fritsch. I believe Gannon was the one that snuck the plug in.
Too bad this thread isn't staying anywhere close to a "constructive debate" standard... well at least in regards to one participant anyway. Nice performance for Tiger early in the season coming off a bad outing overseas. Too early to make any major predictions until we can determine what the consistency level will look like. Obviously when he's on he's either the first or second best player in the world right now.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:44 PM
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Oh... and we are all four(4) majors and almost an ENTIRE season of golf away from it being five(5) years since his last major.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:51 PM
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wrcwolf wrote: Vijay gets caught up in the SI report on SWATS. Will the Tour suspend him for a year? Seems that should be the case. Doesn't say much for the testing procedure on the Tour or in the NFL. But no one cares if NFL players juice.
Vijay's statement:
"While I have used deer antler spray, at no time was I aware that it may contain a substance that is banned under the PGA Tour Anti-Doping Policy. In fact, when I first received the product, I reviewed the list of ingredients and did not see any prohibited substances. I am absolutely shocked that deer antler spray may contain a banned substance and am angry that I have put myself in this position. I have been in contact with the PGA Tour and am cooperating fully with their review of this matter. I will not be commenting further at this time."
sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-de...9411--golf.html
PGA Tour doping policy: "does not matter whether you intentionally or unknowingly used a prohibited substance.'' Did he go to unc? Will it all be over by Friday? Never heard of deer antler spray. What is the mysterious banned ingredient that you can get out of a deer's antlers?  |
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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:19 PM
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Hedjhog wrote:
wrcwolf wrote: Vijay gets caught up in the SI report on SWATS. Will the Tour suspend him for a year? Seems that should be the case. Doesn't say much for the testing procedure on the Tour or in the NFL. But no one cares if NFL players juice.
Vijay's statement:
"While I have used deer antler spray, at no time was I aware that it may contain a substance that is banned under the PGA Tour Anti-Doping Policy. In fact, when I first received the product, I reviewed the list of ingredients and did not see any prohibited substances. I am absolutely shocked that deer antler spray may contain a banned substance and am angry that I have put myself in this position. I have been in contact with the PGA Tour and am cooperating fully with their review of this matter. I will not be commenting further at this time."
sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-de...9411--golf.html
PGA Tour doping policy: "does not matter whether you intentionally or unknowingly used a prohibited substance.'' Did he go to unc? Will it all be over by Friday?
Never heard of deer antler spray. What is the mysterious banned ingredient that you can get out of a deer's antlers? basically a chemical that acts like a metabolite of HGH in your liver |
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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:27 PM
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Grinder wrote:
wrcwolf wrote:
^^ If Tiger hits it off the tee like he did the first 45 holes, he should be in the hunt at all of the majors this year. If he hits it off the tee like he did the last 27 holes, he'll have zero chance at Merion (US Open), Oak Hill (PGA) and most likely Muirfield (Open). He will always have a chance at Augusta. That was his problem last year. He would look good during rounds 1 & 2. Rounds 3 & 4 were his problems. I still see putting issues. Saturday and Sunday against the competition in majors.. my money will be on the field again this year. How do you see putting issues after 1 PGA event? He putted fine. Won the tournament. The biggest improvement in his game this off season is going to be his short game around the greens and from 100 yards in. He struggled with that more than anything last year. Tiger's never going to drive the ball straight consistently, he's never been that type of player but it was his uber elite short game that always carried him through bad driving stretches. If he has that reigned in, which he did for most of last week's tourney then he'll be just fine. |
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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:46 PM
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FeloniousQ wrote:
Hedjhog wrote:
wrcwolf wrote: Vijay gets caught up in the SI report on SWATS. Will the Tour suspend him for a year? Seems that should be the case. Doesn't say much for the testing procedure on the Tour or in the NFL. But no one cares if NFL players juice.
Vijay's statement:
"While I have used deer antler spray, at no time was I aware that it may contain a substance that is banned under the PGA Tour Anti-Doping Policy. In fact, when I first received the product, I reviewed the list of ingredients and did not see any prohibited substances. I am absolutely shocked that deer antler spray may contain a banned substance and am angry that I have put myself in this position. I have been in contact with the PGA Tour and am cooperating fully with their review of this matter. I will not be commenting further at this time."
sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-de...9411--golf.html
PGA Tour doping policy: "does not matter whether you intentionally or unknowingly used a prohibited substance.'' Did he go to unc? Will it all be over by Friday?
Never heard of deer antler spray. What is the mysterious banned ingredient that you can get out of a deer's antlers? basically a chemical that acts like a metabolite of HGH in your liver IGF-1 is the banned substance http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01...ancer.html?_r=0
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:56 AM
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Vijay withdraws from Phoenix this morning citing a bad back. Was looking forward to him playing #16 and seeing what the crowd would say when he stepped on the tee. Too bad. Imagine a few people in Ponte Verde have been having sleepless nights since this story broke. Suspending a Doug Barron is no big deal. From reading the scribes tweeting yesterday, coming public with a suspension of even a semi-popular player, Anthony Kim (not PED's supposedly), is not on the to do list of those at PGA headquarters. Sitting Vijay publically will be a much bigger deal. Well known, but the NCAA drug testing program will get called out as well in regards to the SWAT story. Over 20 Alabama players and some Auburn players now involved. www.tuscaloosanews.com/article.../NEWS/130139971 |
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:19 PM
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I'm not a Tiger fan. But, Jack still thinks he can beat him. I have to think Jack knows more about golf than any of us, or Tiger, on this site. “I think Tiger’s work ethic is so good and I think his desire to pass my record is there,” said Nicklaus, 72. “He is still plenty young enough. So I believe he will, but he’s still got to do it. As each tournament passes his chances become smaller.” Woods is now 36 years and seven months old and has 14 majors. At the same age, Nicklaus also had 14 majors. So far, so similar, but while Nicklaus says that time is ticking away, he still believes that Woods has it on his side. Benson22 wrote: Did any of these win 5 MAJORS after the age of 37, I guess you missed the plural .Were any of these players on HGH like Tiger and who hasn't won a major since his Canadian doctor was indicted ? Were any of these players except Nicklaus, chasing the record 18 majors? Tiger is a head case who wants something he can't have and puts enormous pressure on himslef that he can't handle in the majors. It is fun watching him implode and make a fool of himself on the major weekends, poetic justice for a guy who is a serial cheater on and off the course. |
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Posted: 1/31/2013 1:47 PM
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Mickelson is (-8) thru 10 holes.
I'd imagine Vijay is rooting hard for a 59 from Phil to get him off golf's front pages for a day at least. With their history, how fantastic.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:37 PM
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It will be a interesting year on the links, the main problem for Tiger or anyone else is McElroy, he will win IMO 2 or 3 majors this year, one will be the Masters.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:40 PM
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....on a side note, played at my club yesterday and shot 86 in that tempest, my hat blew off three times......good thing my ******* head wasn't in it.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:41 PM
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Make that (-10) thru 13. Par 71, so Phil needs (-2) in his last 5 holes to get 59. 58 maybe?
Golf Channel breaking into coverage to televise his last few holes right now.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:43 PM
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wrcwolf wrote: Make that (-10) thru 13. Par 71, so Phil needs (-2) in his last 5 holes to get 59. 58 maybe?
Golf Channel breaking into coverage to televise his last few holes right now. Now let the Phil is back hype begin as well.....I do like Lefty though. Life long Wolfpack Fan....Alumni Class of 1989
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Posted: 1/31/2013 3:30 PM
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A 25 footer on 18 for 59
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Posted: 1/31/2013 3:32 PM
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It rims out, how do that not go in?
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Posted: 1/31/2013 3:40 PM
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That was cruel.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 3:50 PM
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He was 2 inches total from shooting 58. Course is definitely set up for some lowwwwww numbers. Can't wait to post the GIF of that miss. I thought Bones falling all over the green was a little out of line though. Just something you don't do.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 3:53 PM
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Benson22 wrote: It rims out, how do that not go in? Ask Calvin. Life long Wolfpack Fan....Alumni Class of 1989
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:23 PM
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RunningWolves wrote:suddenly going to start winning majors again as he gets older, LMFAO Yes, because older players simply can't go through a drought and win a major. Good point.
Oh, wait:- Julius Boros: 1968 PGA Championship, 48 years, 4 months, 18 days
- Jack Nicklaus: 1986 Masters, 46 years, 2 months, 23 days
- Hale Irwin: 1990 U.S. Open, 45 years, 15 days old
- Lee Trevino: 1984 PGA Championship, 44 years, 8 months, 18 days
- Raymond Floyd: 1986 U.S. Open, 43 years, 9 months, 11 days
Or ask these guys if you can just stop winning majors in what appears to be your prime: Tom Watson--won last major at 33. Arnold Palmer--won last major at 34. Seve Ballesteros--won last major at 31. Johnny Miller--won last major at 29. |
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:49 PM
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Posted: 1/31/2013 5:09 PM
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Here is a link to the video on PGAtour.com and the first video right now is Phil going through the whole round with Mark Rolfing. http://www.pgatour.com/video.html They also have the video that Sid just posted, but they show it from about 4 different angles. You need to watch Bones his caddy on the last one. It should come right up on the home page and just click play. http://www.pgatour.com/BEING AN N C STATE FAN BUILDS GREAT CHARACTER
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Posted: 1/31/2013 5:27 PM
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Wow, what a round Phil!! I once shot a 60, at the local putt putt course 20 years ago. Way to go Mickelson.
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