NO RESPECT!!!1

Oh, wait, a 4-seed is actually quite a bit of respect. We might even be overrated in this bracketology.

Nevermind, carry on.

GoPack40 wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote: As of now UNC-A is the only tourney team outside ACC he has in the dance.

Of the teams we've played?  Perhaps you overlooked Norfolk State?  Not sure how that happens.

Michigan, Norfolk State, UNC-A, and Ok. State are all on there. Not sure how you saw UNC-A but overlooked the rest of the bracket...

Yes, quick scan....complete fail.

packfanstk wrote:

RedTerrors wrote: Didn't we actually back into a 3 seed under Herb one year?

We led the ACC and maybe even the nation in FT pct that season. That's why we had an inflated record. We hit free throws at the end of games and went from barely losing a bunch of games to barely winning them or making close wins look better on paper. Maryland exposed us in the Tournament because they could and did press without fouling. Our guys committed a bunch of turnovers and missed a bunch of shots and the Terps wound up winning. Vandy did the same thing at the end of the NCAAT game. They were behind late, but pressed without fouling and forced a bunch of turnovers. The offense that season wasn't much different than usual under Herbus except for the presence of Julius Hodge and hitting FTs. We still got swept by Carolina and split with Dook, lost at Clemson. But I do give those kids credit for hitting their foul shots in the close ones.

Speaking of Herb, Arizona State is 13-2 and on a five game win streak. 2-0 Pac 12. Beat Utah and Colorado at home. Signature wins against Cornell, Coppin State, Sacramento State, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Hartford, and Dartmouth.

That is a great example of what great FT shooting can do for you...if it can make an average Herb team end up an (albeit overrated) 3 seed... what would it do for this year's squad?

RedTerrors wrote:

packfanstk wrote:

RedTerrors wrote: Didn't we actually back into a 3 seed under Herb one year?

We led the ACC and maybe even the nation in FT pct that season. That's why we had an inflated record. We hit free throws at the end of games and went from barely losing a bunch of games to barely winning them or making close wins look better on paper. Maryland exposed us in the Tournament because they could and did press without fouling. Our guys committed a bunch of turnovers and missed a bunch of shots and the Terps wound up winning. Vandy did the same thing at the end of the NCAAT game. They were behind late, but pressed without fouling and forced a bunch of turnovers. The offense that season wasn't much different than usual under Herbus except for the presence of Julius Hodge and hitting FTs. We still got swept by Carolina and split with Dook, lost at Clemson. But I do give those kids credit for hitting their foul shots in the close ones.

Speaking of Herb, Arizona State is 13-2 and on a five game win streak. 2-0 Pac 12. Beat Utah and Colorado at home. Signature wins against Cornell, Coppin State, Sacramento State, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Hartford, and Dartmouth.

That is a great example of what great FT shooting can do for you...if it can make an average Herb team end up an (albeit overrated) 3 seed... what would it do for this year's squad?

Over-rated 3 that year?  I disagree.  We were 3-1 against teams in the final four that year.   We were a good team that year, unfortunately with nothing to show for it.

statwolf81 wrote:

RedTerrors wrote:

packfanstk wrote:

RedTerrors wrote: Didn't we actually back into a 3 seed under Herb one year?

We led the ACC and maybe even the nation in FT pct that season. That's why we had an inflated record. We hit free throws at the end of games and went from barely losing a bunch of games to barely winning them or making close wins look better on paper. Maryland exposed us in the Tournament because they could and did press without fouling. Our guys committed a bunch of turnovers and missed a bunch of shots and the Terps wound up winning. Vandy did the same thing at the end of the NCAAT game. They were behind late, but pressed without fouling and forced a bunch of turnovers. The offense that season wasn't much different than usual under Herbus except for the presence of Julius Hodge and hitting FTs. We still got swept by Carolina and split with Dook, lost at Clemson. But I do give those kids credit for hitting their foul shots in the close ones.

Speaking of Herb, Arizona State is 13-2 and on a five game win streak. 2-0 Pac 12. Beat Utah and Colorado at home. Signature wins against Cornell, Coppin State, Sacramento State, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Hartford, and Dartmouth.

That is a great example of what great FT shooting can do for you...if it can make an average Herb team end up an (albeit overrated) 3 seed... what would it do for this year's squad?

Over-rated 3 that year?  I disagree.  We were 3-1 against teams in the final four that year.   We were a good team that year, unfortunately with nothing to show for it.

Talk about an inflated statistic. We swept that flukey Final Four Georgia Tech team by hitting FTs--18 of 23 in the first game, 27 of 34 in the second. Red Terrors is exactly right. If State that year had hit FTs at the same clip as Herb's teams normally did we probably finish 7-9 in the ACC instead of 11-5 without being appreciably different in any other way. FT % was the one and only improvement. It didn't make the half court offense, the fast break, the passing, the three-point shooting, or the defense a bit different from any other Sendek team. But it did make a huge difference in the record, and made us look better than we were.

Instead of being a generally strong team with a weakness that could be exploited (think Houston 1983), we were an average team with one strength that could be negated. The first kind makes the Final Four and sometimes wins it all. The second kind loses in the round of 32.

Georgia Tech's Final Four in 2004 was no more "flukey" than a 1983 appearance by a certain school from Raleigh.  If anything, far less so. 

GT was ranked as high as #3 in the country at one point in the season and were a 3-seed in the tournament and finished at #3 in the final poll.  How the **** was that a "flukey" Final Four team?

If you're trying to make a point about the overall importance, or lack thereof, of team FT% (and in doing so, diminish the one good season Herb gave us), that's all well and good.  But don't weaken your argument by attempting to use grossly inaccurate rhetoric to support it.

Tech had a serious squad that season, was a VERY worthy FF participant, and our sweep of them was probably the last real feather in Herb's bald cap.

Flukey may be been a bit too strong a word, but it came to mind because Tech did not have to play either team seeded ahead of them to get to the Final Four. They played #10 seed Nevada in the regional semis because Nevada pulled two upsets in a row, knocking off #7 Michigan State and #2 Gonzaga, then were spared playing #1 Kentucky because #9 UAB had knocked them out in the round of 32. OTOH, NC State in 1983 beat the #3 and #1 seeds in the West Regional to earn our trip to the Final Four. So, while Tech's appearance may not have been a total fluke, they got a lot of help from the other teams in the regional.

Still a #4 seed
http://espn.go.com/mens-colleg...ll/bracketology

Man, that South bracket is brutal, that would be a hell of a run to the FF.

Stoney Brook?

Whitechapel wrote: Georgia Tech's Final Four in 2004 was no more "flukey" than a 1983 appearance by a certain school from Raleigh.  If anything, far less so. 

GT was ranked as high as #3 in the country at one point in the season and were a 3-seed in the tournament and finished at #3 in the final poll.  How the **** was that a "flukey" Final Four team?

If you're trying to make a point about the overall importance, or lack thereof, of team FT% (and in doing so, diminish the one good season Herb gave us), that's all well and good.  But don't weaken your argument by attempting to use grossly inaccurate rhetoric to support it.

Tech had a serious squad that season, was a VERY worthy FF participant, and our sweep of them was probably the last real feather in Herb's bald cap.

GT was not "far less flukey" than the 83 team with Whitt in the lineup.  Actually neither team was "flukey".  NCSU with Whitt healthy and playing all season arguably is only a 5-6 loss team that year and ranked in the Top 10 going into the NCAAT.

Up to a #3 seed this week:
http://espn.go.com/mens-colleg...ll/bracketology

hunwolf wrote:

RedTerrors wrote: Didn't we actually back into a 3 seed under Herb one year?

Actually, by the numbers that team deserved the 3 seed. The issue was how the team ended (literally) the ACCT semifinal game and the 2nd round game against Vandy.

Two of the worst meltdowns in modern sports history.

Yeah, we finished 2nd in the ACC so we didn't "back into it."  But post season performance was collosal disappointment.

Although I'm still not sure what's more embarassing.  Our huge choking away of the game to Vanderbilt or Vanderbilt cutting down the nets after winning a 2nd round NCAA game.  Don't think I've ever seen that before or since.  I could give a pass to some small mid-major school that had never been to the NCAA tournament before, but come on...Vanderbilt?  You're a freaking member of the SEC and you're cutting down the nets in the 2nd round?

Duke a 1
Pack a 2
Miami a 5
Unc a 9
Maryland an 11

DCrotty22 wrote: Up to a #3 seed this week:
http://espn.go.com/mens-colleg...ll/bracketology

Lose a game we should win and move up...
Am I on the wrong boards?
This is opposite of everything that ever happens to us.


"If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right."- Jerry, to George, in "The Opposite"

specialedition wrote:

hunwolf wrote:

RedTerrors wrote: Didn't we actually back into a 3 seed under Herb one year?

Actually, by the numbers that team deserved the 3 seed. The issue was how the team ended (literally) the ACCT semifinal game and the 2nd round game against Vandy.

Two of the worst meltdowns in modern sports history.

Yeah, we finished 2nd in the ACC so we didn't "back into it."  But post season performance was collosal disappointment.

DCrotty22 wrote: Up to a #3 seed this week:
http://espn.go.com/mens-colleg...ll/bracketology

Us vs. Shaka in the 2nd round?  Me likey.

burkely wrote:

DCrotty22 wrote: Up to a #3 seed this week:
http://espn.go.com/mens-colleg...ll/bracketology

Lose a game we should win and move up...
Am I on the wrong boards?
This is opposite of everything that ever happens to us.


"If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right."- Jerry, to George, in "The Opposite"

You know...I honestly think the media just wants us to do what they THINK we will do.  Since they all thought we would lose to Maryland (and we did so in really close fashion), they were proved right and all we did was lose a tight road game against a decent conference opponent.  We made them look smart, so they rewarded us.

In a twisted sort of way, it makes sense....

KChill wrote:

DCrotty22 wrote: Up to a #3 seed this week:
http://espn.go.com/mens-colleg...ll/bracketology

Us vs. Shaka in the 2nd round?  Me likey.

gimme gimme gimme

Next week...7 seed.

LOL

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Next week...7 seed.

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If state is lucky

3 seeds, what will we grow with that? We are going in the wrong direction and headed towards bubbleville.

CBS has us a seven seed now and Miami a two

boonewolf1 wrote: 3 seeds, what will we grow with that? We are going in the wrong direction and headed towards bubbleville.

Really?  15-4 overall and 4-2 in the ACC with a win over then #1 Duke = "bubbleville"?????  Common sense says NO.

packbackrb wrote:

boonewolf1 wrote: 3 seeds, what will we grow with that? We are going in the wrong direction and headed towards bubbleville.

Really?  15-4 overall and 4-2 in the ACC with a win over then #1 Duke = "bubbleville"?????  Common sense says NO.

i think this part went over your head
lack of smiley did nit help either

1/29 Update. #5 seed vs Lasalle in Kansas region. Miami a 3 seed, UNC a 9 seed, Maryland a 12 seed and Duke a 1 seed. We need to finish as a 2 or 3 seed. A 4 or 5 seed plays the 1 seed in the sweet sixteen.

SexualChocolate wrote: 1/29 Update. #5 seed vs Lasalle in Kansas region. Miami a 3 seed, UNC a 9 seed, Maryland a 12 seed and Duke a 1 seed. We need to finish as a 2 or 3 seed. A 4 or 5 seed plays the 1 seed in the sweet sixteen.

never mind the #5 seed is the "ejector seat"

Me likes a 2 or 3 seed. That would be good.

SexualChocolate wrote: 1/29 Update. #5 seed vs Lasalle in Kansas region. Miami a 3 seed, UNC a 9 seed, Maryland a 12 seed and Duke a 1 seed. We need to finish as a 2 or 3 seed. A 4 or 5 seed plays the 1 seed in the sweet sixteen.

NCAA will find a way to make sure #5 seed NC State and #12 seed Arizona State play in first round. I think I will take a mod vacation that day.

NOVAwolf wrote:

SexualChocolate wrote: 1/29 Update. #5 seed vs Lasalle in Kansas region. Miami a 3 seed, UNC a 9 seed, Maryland a 12 seed and Duke a 1 seed. We need to finish as a 2 or 3 seed. A 4 or 5 seed plays the 1 seed in the sweet sixteen.

never mind the #5 seed is the "ejector seat"

I read somewhere that the #5 seed actually loses a lot less often than one would think. In fact, I believe more #2 seeds lost last year than #5 seeds.

And no, I'm not serious-Le High...

I don't even care about seeding. I think people get too caught up in it. If you're good enough you're going to advance no matter seeding or opponent.

5 seed is good considering our recent losses.

SidsSouljahBoy wrote: I don't even care about seeding. I think people get too caught up in it. If you're good enough you're going to advance no matter seeding or opponent.

the expression I like
"the can play your way out of a bad seed. you cannot play your way out of no seed."

Still a #7 seed at CBS

http://www.cbssports.com/colle...ll/bracketology

#7 seed seems a tad low.  Hard to pick 24 better teams than the Pack overall (so far this season)

GoatShoulders wrote: Still a #7 seed at CBS

http://www.cbssports.com/colle...ll/bracketology

still have #7 NC State and #11 Arizona State not as first round match-up

wolfer79 wrote:

GoatShoulders wrote: Still a #7 seed at CBS

http://www.cbssports.com/colle...ll/bracketology

still have #7 NC State and #11 Arizona State not as first round match-up

I would LOVE the chance.

Treyvon wrote:

wolfer79 wrote:

GoatShoulders wrote: Still a #7 seed at CBS

http://www.cbssports.com/colle...ll/bracketology

still have #7 NC State and #11 Arizona State not as first round match-up

I would LOVE the chance.

Imagine the meltdown if we were a 5 seed and got a Herb 12 seed... and lost.

OMFG, the entire internet would be gone.