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Re: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:47 AM
Re: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
cwsloan wrote: OK, we all know it will be damn near impossible to win tourney finishing in that 5 slot so someone between UNC, UVA, and NCSU will be left out in the cold. No disrespect to Maryland but after Duke and Miami, two of these three will finish 3rd and 4th. One will be 5th and heartbroken.
Who has the inside track here or rather who has the worst shot of making that 3 or 4 slot?
UNC: @ Clemson @ Maryland Duke FSU and NCSU
Hardest win to get: Duke
UVA: @BC @FSU Maryland Duke and GT
Hardest win to get: Duke
NCSU: @UNC @GT @FSU BC and WF
Hardest win to get: @UNC
Predictions:
1. Duke will be 2nd favorite team in the next two weeks. If they can beat UNC and UVA that will help TREMENDOUSLY. I think it will happen.
2. IF we beat UNC I think we are in the 4 spot at minimum. That momentum will carry us the rest of the way even if we lose to let's say, FSU.
3. Maryland will also play a huge role. We need them to beat at least UVA or UNC but I think they have a better shot at home vs UNC.
Predictions: UNC 3-2
UVA 3-2
NCSU 3-2
Therefore, can someone please tell me what they would do if we all finished 11-7? After head to head what tie breakers would they use? Where would we all end up if Duke beats UNC and UVA in the remaining games? Thanks guys! If we can't go 4-1 in the last 5, we don't deserve a bye. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:49 AM
Re: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
hungrylikethewolf wrote:
cwsloan wrote: OK, we all know it will be damn near impossible to win tourney finishing in that 5 slot so someone between UNC, UVA, and NCSU will be left out in the cold. No disrespect to Maryland but after Duke and Miami, two of these three will finish 3rd and 4th. One will be 5th and heartbroken.
Who has the inside track here or rather who has the worst shot of making that 3 or 4 slot?
UNC: @ Clemson @ Maryland Duke FSU and NCSU
Hardest win to get: Duke
UVA: @BC @FSU Maryland Duke and GT
Hardest win to get: Duke
NCSU: @UNC @GT @FSU BC and WF
Hardest win to get: @UNC
Predictions:
1. Duke will be 2nd favorite team in the next two weeks. If they can beat UNC and UVA that will help TREMENDOUSLY. I think it will happen.
2. IF we beat UNC I think we are in the 4 spot at minimum. That momentum will carry us the rest of the way even if we lose to let's say, FSU.
3. Maryland will also play a huge role. We need them to beat at least UVA or UNC but I think they have a better shot at home vs UNC.
Predictions: UNC 3-2
UVA 3-2
NCSU 3-2
Therefore, can someone please tell me what they would do if we all finished 11-7? After head to head what tie breakers would they use? Where would we all end up if Duke beats UNC and UVA in the remaining games? Thanks guys! If we can't go 4-1 in the last 5, we don't deserve a bye. agreed. however, if we do go 3-2 i hope we still do!!!
2.23.13...BEAT THE CHEATS!!!
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:58 AM
RE: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
If we don't beat the holes, we don't win any tiebreaker scenario in a 3 way tie. Va would get 3rd.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:06 AM
Re: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
in other words, even if we go 4-1 and that loss is to UNC, and the others go 4-1 too, we are toast?
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:30 AM
RE: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
Wait another week...maybe two and this picture will become much more clear without all the speculation..
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:30 AM
Re: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
cwsloan wrote: in other words, even if we go 4-1 and that loss is to UNC, and the others go 4-1 too, we are toast? I think we would get 4th in that scenario. Va would be 3rd, UNC 5th. It goes head-to-head. Va would hold it over us & Tied with UNC, UNC would be tied with both. State would lose to Va and tied with UNC. I think we get the nod over UNC because (I'm assuming we're taking their one loss against Duke), we would hold the head-to-head against the top of the conference...we both lost to Miami, we split with Duke, they lost both to Duke. I think it's just a whole hell of a lot easier if we beat the **** out of UNC today, win our remaining games and say **** everyone else. We finish 3rd in that scenario.
We can even curse other teams from afar. - rswilli2
Last edited 2/23/2013 11:31 AM by Packster
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:40 AM
RE: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
How are tiebreakers head to head if it's a "three way tie"?
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:43 AM
RE: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
depends whether it is a devil's three way
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:55 AM
RE: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
hunwolf wrote: How are tiebreakers head to head if it's a "three way tie"? Maybe they should call it "head to head to head". We are screwed in that scenario if we lose today since we lost at UVA and don't get a chance to beat them in Raleigh. UVA beat us and UNC, lost to UNC, Record 2-1 UNC beat us (if it happens) and UVA and lost once to each, record 2-2 NC State beat UNC, lost to UVA and UNC, record 1-2 If we all finish with the same conf record and lose today, we are looking at the 5 seed. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 12:26 PM
Re: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
We are going to finish the regular season with 8 straight wins.  Finish 3rd and depending on how we do in the ACC tourney we will be a 4 or 5 seed in NCAA tourney.  If we win the ACC Tourney we will be a 3 seed after the 11 game win streak!  Yeah, I'll go with that!  |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 12:45 PM
RE: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
Just WIN!!
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Posted: 2/23/2013 1:22 PM
RE: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
@UNC, @ GT and @ FSU.........Unless we have improved our psychic regarding road games I don't see us winning these games. Call me a sceptic but I have been a State alumnus for 34 years and I'll believe it when I see the last second tick away with us having the most points.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 1:24 PM
RE: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
graywolf4life wrote: @UNC, @ GT and @ FSU.........Unless we have improved our psychic regarding road games I don't see us winning these games. Call me a sceptic but I have been a State alumnus for 34 years and I'll believe it when I see the last second tick away with us having the most points. Alright, you're a "sceptic" Happy?
We can even curse other teams from afar. - rswilli2
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Posted: 2/23/2013 1:29 PM
RE: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
Just wait until March 9th and we'll have a much better idea of where it all stands
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Posted: 2/23/2013 1:59 PM
RE: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
I think uva has 3 more losses in them.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 6:00 PM
RE: 3 Teams at 8-5, Team w/ Most Favorable Schedule
Packster wrote:
graywolf4life wrote: @UNC, @ GT and @ FSU.........Unless we have improved our psychic regarding road games I don't see us winning these games. Call me a sceptic but I have been a State alumnus for 34 years and I'll believe it when I see the last second tick away with us having the most points. Alright, you're a "sceptic"
Happy? Happy ....No, but I'm use to this. It's been this way since the board of governor's ran off Jim Valvano. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 6:08 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
Miami (13-1) 65
Wake Forest (12-14, 5-9)(who beat NC State 86-84 in Winston-Salem on January 22) 80
Clemson (5-9)59
Maryland (the team that beat NC State 51-50 on January 16th) (7-7) 72
NC State 65
unc-ch 76
updated standings -ties listed what I think is tiebreaker
Miami 13-1
Duke 10-3
unc-ch 9-5
Virginia 8-5
NC State 8-6
Maryland 7-7
Florida State 6-7
Clemson 5-9 (1-0 vs Wake Forest)
Wake Forest 5-9 (0-1 vs Clemson)
Georgia Tech 4-9 (0-0 vs Boston College)0-0 vs Miami, 0-1 vs Duke, 1-0 vs Virginia
Boston College 4-9 (0-0 vs Georgia Tech) 0-2 vs Miami, 0-1 vs Duke, 0-0 vs Virginia
Virginia Tech 2-11
football record prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9, 10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7, 12-6
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Posted: 2/23/2013 6:12 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
Gonna be tough to get a top 4 seed in the ACCT now.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 6:14 PM
Re: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
Looks like we're going to get another shot at Virginia (assuming we win our play in game).
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Posted: 2/23/2013 6:15 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
Told you so!
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Posted: 2/23/2013 6:36 PM
Re: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
4th is not out of she question. lets go 4-0 and let other teams lose
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Posted: 2/23/2013 7:52 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
Preseason # 6 in the Country.....
Now #5 in the mediocre ACC......
Disappointing to say the least
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Posted: 2/23/2013 8:07 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
As I posted 2 weeks ago, 4th or 5th place may actually be the best thing for us.
Hell, it's an easier road to the title than 3rd IMO.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 8:49 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
How is 5th place good for us? We don't have the depth to win the tournament in four days.
"We want guys who will play like a Jet" John Idzik, GM of the New York Jets
Locally responsive, Globally engaged.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 8:59 PM
Re: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
I know we're all pissy and all but it's time to get over this game and look to BC. The game today was the toughest 1 left on the schedule. We can win out and still be in the top 4. Virginia and North Carolina have a tough stretch. Don't give up yet folks
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:04 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
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How is 5th place good for us? We don't have the depth to win the tournament in four days.
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Anything can happen in a tourney.
Would it be hard? Yes. I don't think it's impossible.
Syracuse won their their tourney playing 5 games in 5 days with 2 starters playing every minute.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:05 PM
Re: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
What's the over/under on Calvin's turnovers against BC?
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:13 PM
Re: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
I think NC State will be fine, because we have the better schedule to finish out the ACC. State has BC, at GT, WF, at FSU. We should win all four of these games and finish with a record of 12-6. That should get us at third in the ACC standings. UNC plays at Clemson, FSU, at Maryland, Duke. I see UNC possibly could lose three of their last four. If that would happen they finish the ACC with a 10-8 record. Also Virginia plays GT, Duke, at BC, at FSU, and Maryland. Virginia could lose three of these five games and finish the ACC with a 10-8 record. I like NC States schedule over UNC or Virginia's. But they can't take any of these teams lightly or an upset could cost dearly.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:15 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
hunwolf wrote:
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How is 5th place good for us? We don't have the depth to win the tournament in four days.
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Anything can happen in a tourney.
Would it be hard? Yes. I don't think it's impossible.
Syracuse won their their tourney playing 5 games in 5 days with 2 starters playing every minute. We have people on here constantly saying how our guys get fatigued. And, they have days off in between their games. I don't see how people are thinking that we can go and win four games in four days keeping that in mind.
"We want guys who will play like a Jet" John Idzik, GM of the New York Jets
Locally responsive, Globally engaged.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:19 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
Tournament ball is entirely different.
It's coached different, there are a billion stoppages in play, and they are grinders.
More mentally tough than physically.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:21 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
I'm sure they are. At the same time, wouldn't you say road games measure mental toughness?
"We want guys who will play like a Jet" John Idzik, GM of the New York Jets
Locally responsive, Globally engaged.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:26 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
They have not shown it to this point no. And that's more frustrating than anything else.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:29 PM
RE: ACC MBB conference standings and the week ahead
It really is. That's why it's important to win at least 50 percent of your road games. It shows mental toughness, which is exactly what you need in tournament play.
Who's the leader on our floor to exhibit that toughness on the road? I really wish Howell got into people's faces more, but it is a little too late for that. He would have been our best case.
"We want guys who will play like a Jet" John Idzik, GM of the New York Jets
Locally responsive, Globally engaged.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:13 PM
ACC Regular Season Tie Breaker Situations
Does anyone know how a tiebreaker would work if both us and UNC finish with the same ACC record? We split head to head, so you can't use that. Does it go to overall record?
Also, what happens if UVA, UNC, and State are all tied? These are pretty distinct possibilities given the teams remaining schedules and current records. Just wondering how that would work out.
Would really like to have that bye.
SABOTAGE!!!
Last edited 2/23/2013 11:13 PM by LetsGoState
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:14 PM
RE: ACC Regular Season Tie Breaker Situations
www.theacc.com/sports/m-baskbl.../021203aad.htmlI. When two teams are tied in the standings, regular season head-to-head results are used as the tiebreaker. II. If the two tied teams split their regular season games, the tie is broken by comparing each team's records against the team occupying the highest position in the standings, and then continuing down until one team gains an advantage. III. If three or more teams are tied, the combined record of each team against the other two teams involved is used to break the tie. After this procedure, if two teams remain tied, procedure (2) is followed. IV. If procedures (2) and/or (3) fail to establish an advantage, a coin flip to break the tie will be conducted by the commissioner after the final regular season game before the Conference Championship. V. If there is more than one tie in the standings, and when utilizing the tie breaking procedures there are a pair of teams tied, a team's record against the combined tied team is used, rather than performance against the individual tied teams. VI. If a coin flip is required, the procedure takes place immediately following the conclusion of the last regular season game prior to the Conference Championship. The procedure is administered by the commissioner or a designated assistant. This session is open to the media and to athletics department representatives from the tied teams.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:15 PM
RE: ACC Regular Season Tie Breaker Situations
We would win the head to head tie break with UNC.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:19 PM
RE: ACC Regular Season Tie Breaker Situations
Seems like a 3 way tie would screw us then since we'd be 1-2 while UNC and UVA would be 2-2.
Okay, so say just us and UNC are tied. We're 0-1 vs Miami and UNC is 0-2. I guess technically we'd have a better record against Miami. Wouldn't seem fair to UNC (not that I care) but would we finish ahead of them since we only have the one loss against them?
SABOTAGE!!!
Last edited 2/23/2013 11:20 PM by LetsGoState
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:22 PM
RE: ACC Regular Season Tie Breaker Situations
Yep. We would have the better record.
The three way tie hurts us.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:24 PM
RE: ACC Regular Season Tie Breaker Situations
Damn. So we'd be better off with UVA having a better ACC record than us as opposed to the same record, given our tie break situation with UNC.
That sucks that we'd win a tiebreak with just UNC, but we'd lose the tie break to the exact same team if it's a 3 way tie. WTF!?!?
SABOTAGE!!!
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:25 PM
RE: ACC Regular Season Tie Breaker Situations
That's the way I interpret it anyway.
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