Virginia Tech's last 5 games:

vs Georgia Southern 78-73 LOSS (loss at home to Ga. Southern and this is an ACC team)

vs Bradley 66-65 (overtime) WIN (took overtime to beat Bradley and this is an ACC team)

vs Colorado State 88-52 LOSS (CSU is improved but should not win by 30+ points)

at BYU 97-71 LOSS (never easy to win in Salt Lake City, but should keep the spread under 25)

at Maryland 94-71 LOSS (Maryland is improved and this was on the road, but again the spread should be kept under 20)

See my point? Lately, when they play decent teams, VT isn't just losing they're getting crushed. They lose at home against Ga. Southern who probably is not a bracket buster. On a neutral floor against Bradley they survived by 1 point in OT...against Bradley. Then on a neutral floor against CSU, they get destroyed.

Now, looking at these results, tell me how good Erick Green is again. Follow-up question: tell me why he couldn't carry them to a win over GSU or at least minimize the losses to BYU, CSU and/or Maryland.

After seeing all 12 teams open up this weekend, can you name 2 teams that honestly looked worse than they did?

Tech will be an up-and-down team, but I've watched them play a couple of times and, when they're up (and healthy), they're probably good enough to win a few conference games.

Looking at their schedule, they have BC coming to town this week.  I predict they'll get their first win this week.

Otter74 wrote: Looking at their schedule, they have BC coming to town this week.  I predict they'll get their first win this week.

BC is better than VT...

Sec17WufPacker wrote:

Otter74 wrote: Looking at their schedule, they have BC coming to town this week.  I predict they'll get their first win this week.

BC is better than VT...

Home team gets the advantage in this one.

EastChapelHill04Class wrote: Virginia Tech's last 5 games:

vs Georgia Southern 78-73 LOSS (loss at home to Ga. Southern and this is an ACC team)

vs Bradley 66-65 (overtime) WIN (took overtime to beat Bradley and this is an ACC team)

vs Colorado State 88-52 LOSS (CSU is improved but should not win by 30+ points)

at BYU 97-71 LOSS (never easy to win in Salt Lake City, but should keep the spread under 25)

at Maryland 94-71 LOSS (Maryland is improved and this was on the road, but again the spread should be kept under 20)

See my point? Lately, when they play decent teams, VT isn't just losing they're getting crushed. They lose at home against Ga. Southern who probably is not a bracket buster. On a neutral floor against Bradley they survived by 1 point in OT...against Bradley. Then on a neutral floor against CSU, they get destroyed.

Now, looking at these results, tell me how good Erick Green is again. Follow-up question: tell me why he couldn't carry them to a win over GSU or at least minimize the losses to BYU, CSU and/or Maryland.

After seeing all 12 teams open up this weekend, can you name 2 teams that honestly looked worse than they did?

It doesn't matter.  The season is long.  They will get some W's.

How do you explain them beating OSU by 10 and we lost to OSU by 20?

Steven1974 wrote:

Didn't Duke go 0-fer in the league during K's medical absence back in the 90s, only to beat us in the ACC Tourney?

2-14 that year. In the Tournament that year the higher seeded team won every game except the play-in....#9 Dook beating #8 NC State. Just FYI, the only time the higher seed won every game was ironically the year of the league's strongest top-to-bottom balance, 1985.

packwon wrote:

EastChapelHill04Class wrote: Virginia Tech's last 5 games:

vs Georgia Southern 78-73 LOSS (loss at home to Ga. Southern and this is an ACC team)

vs Bradley 66-65 (overtime) WIN (took overtime to beat Bradley and this is an ACC team)

vs Colorado State 88-52 LOSS (CSU is improved but should not win by 30+ points)

at BYU 97-71 LOSS (never easy to win in Salt Lake City, but should keep the spread under 25)

at Maryland 94-71 LOSS (Maryland is improved and this was on the road, but again the spread should be kept under 20)

See my point? Lately, when they play decent teams, VT isn't just losing they're getting crushed. They lose at home against Ga. Southern who probably is not a bracket buster. On a neutral floor against Bradley they survived by 1 point in OT...against Bradley. Then on a neutral floor against CSU, they get destroyed.

Now, looking at these results, tell me how good Erick Green is again. Follow-up question: tell me why he couldn't carry them to a win over GSU or at least minimize the losses to BYU, CSU and/or Maryland.

After seeing all 12 teams open up this weekend, can you name 2 teams that honestly looked worse than they did?

It doesn't matter.  The season is long.  They will get some W's.

How do you explain them beating OSU by 10 and we lost to OSU by 20?

Given the other posted results, that is incredibly embarrassing, or should be.

No

EastChapelHill04Class wrote: Virginia Tech's last 5 games:

vs Georgia Southern 78-73 LOSS (loss at home to Ga. Southern and this is an ACC team)

vs Bradley 66-65 (overtime) WIN (took overtime to beat Bradley and this is an ACC team)

vs Colorado State 88-52 LOSS (CSU is improved but should not win by 30+ points)

at BYU 97-71 LOSS (never easy to win in Salt Lake City, but should keep the spread under 25)

at Maryland 94-71 LOSS (Maryland is improved and this was on the road, but again the spread should be kept under 20)

See my point? Lately, when they play decent teams, VT isn't just losing they're getting crushed. They lose at home against Ga. Southern who probably is not a bracket buster. On a neutral floor against Bradley they survived by 1 point in OT...against Bradley. Then on a neutral floor against CSU, they get destroyed.

Now, looking at these results, tell me how good Erick Green is again. Follow-up question: tell me why he couldn't carry them to a win over GSU or at least minimize the losses to BYU, CSU and/or Maryland.

After seeing all 12 teams open up this weekend, can you name 2 teams that honestly looked worse than they did?

You can't judge the next game based on any of these games.  Do you really think VT can't beat Wake?  GT?  Clemson?

No. On any given night (or day) in the ACC they will rise up and beat someone...

No.  I bet they win at least 2 acc games.

EastChapelHill04Class wrote:

Now, looking at these results, tell me how good Erick Green is again. Follow-up question:

VT is not a good basketball team this year, but everyone knew they were not going to be.  They have two walk-ons getting REGULAR playing time.  They lost there best returning frosh from last year, their top incoming frosh from this year, and kept the guys that Greenberg has brought on that were, well, not very good.......oh, and their top frosh on the team this year broke his foot......

They will win some more games, but the season will not be pretty.  There is a serious problem on the defensive side of the ball right now.  Basically, they cannot defend anyone......or shoot......or rebound......you get the point.....

With that said, Green is definitely one of the better players in the league, and probably the country.  No, he is not NBA lottery material, but that does not take away from how good of a college basketball player he developed into.........he is basically all VT has right now, and it's not easy to put up 25 points a game when every team is completely focussed on guarding you, and only you.......

It's safe to say that VT is not very good, but to question the quality of a player averaging 25 points a game is a bit of a stretch......

willembahh wrote:

goturbackpack66 wrote: What is the futility mark in history of ACC basketball?  I'm guessing somebody went 0, and something?  Hope it wasn't State!  LOL

ACC’S WORST TEAMS

 1954-55 Clemson               0-14 ACC (3-23 overall)

 1980-81 Georgia Tech      0-14 (4-23)

 1953-54 Clemson               0-9 (5-18)

 1985-86 Wake Forest        0-14 (8-21)

1986-87 Maryland             0-14 (9-17)

1959-60 Virginia                1-13 (6-18)

1979-80 Georgia Tech       1-13 (8-18)

1988-89 Maryland             1-13 (9-20)

1955-56 Clemson               1-13 (9-17)

My hope is Maryland will leave the ACC being the last team with a zero win and last team with a one win ACC record.

No, they'll beat the Heels at least once.

VT is in a slump, but they are by no means the worst team in ACC history. When you have a scorer like Greene, you'll win some regardless as long as he has the hot hand.

There's plenty of wins for them in the league between WF, Clemson and BC. Also, I could see them beating FSU or GT. They will also spring an upset against some of the better teams.

I'd put them down as 7-11. They're in a slump right now, but I think they'll pick it up.

Even though we didn't make this list, thank God, In 1988-89 we lost to that 1-13 Maryland team in the first round of the ACC Tournament by 298 points. I think that may have been the most embarrising lost in the 48 years I have been a State fan.

goturbackpack66 wrote: What is the futility mark in history of ACC basketball?  I'm guessing somebody went 0, and something?  Hope it wasn't State!  LOL

ACC’S WORST TEAMS

 1954-55 Clemson               0-14 ACC (3-23 overall)

 1980-81 Georgia Tech      0-14 (4-23)

 1953-54 Clemson               0-9 (5-18)

 1985-86 Wake Forest        0-14 (8-21)

1986-87 Maryland             0-14 (9-17)

1959-60 Virginia                1-13 (6-18)

1979-80 Georgia Tech       1-13 (8-18)

1988-89 Maryland             1-13 (9-20)

1955-56 Clemson               1-13 (9-17)

No, they'll beat the Holes.

Losing by 298 points is pretty embarrassing.

apackfan69 wrote: Even though we didn't make this list, thank God, In 1988-89 we lost to that 1-13 Maryland team in the first round of the ACC Tournament by 298 points. I think that may have been the most embarrising lost in the 48 years I have been a State fan.

goturbackpack66 wrote: What is the futility mark in history of ACC basketball?  I'm guessing somebody went 0, and something?  Hope it wasn't State!  LOL

ACC’S WORST TEAMS

 1954-55 Clemson               0-14 ACC (3-23 overall)

 1980-81 Georgia Tech      0-14 (4-23)

 1953-54 Clemson               0-9 (5-18)

 1985-86 Wake Forest        0-14 (8-21)

1986-87 Maryland             0-14 (9-17)

1959-60 Virginia                1-13 (6-18)

1979-80 Georgia Tech       1-13 (8-18)

1988-89 Maryland             1-13 (9-20)

1955-56 Clemson               1-13 (9-17)

DaHarpoon wrote:

My guess... they won't go winless.... and unlikely at the other end of the spectrum any team sweeps the schedule -- though Duke may be able to do it given their ability to effectively utilize the poor officiating in the ACC to their advantage... still, 18 games is a long time not to have an "off night" where it just isn't working.  We won't go undefeated nor will the Cheats...and the middle of the conference is a bunch of 9-9 teams just waiting to happen.  The Hokies will likely not be in the middle pack but in the lower third that fight it out amonst thereselves to get 2-4 wins.

Yeap. But you just described pretty much every single season in the ACC for the last 25 years.

not as long as Wake Forest is on their schedule.

No Duke won two games in the ACC with Gaudet coaching

   Maybe a more realistic thread would be:


Will UNC go 0-18 in ACC play this season?

No way. Wake and BC are coming up on the home schedule.

camvilpack wrote:

DaHarpoon wrote:

My guess... they won't go winless.... and unlikely at the other end of the spectrum any team sweeps the schedule -- though Duke may be able to do it given their ability to effectively utilize the poor officiating in the ACC to their advantage... still, 18 games is a long time not to have an "off night" where it just isn't working.  We won't go undefeated nor will the Cheats...and the middle of the conference is a bunch of 9-9 teams just waiting to happen.  The Hokies will likely not be in the middle pack but in the lower third that fight it out amonst thereselves to get 2-4 wins.

Yeap. But you just described pretty much every single season in the ACC for the last 25 years.

Exactly, except the race is just two games longer now.  Which probably makes it even harder to "sweep" at either end of the table.  At the high end, you are probably Final Four and NC favorite and at the other you are just terrible...that said, from what I have seen Wake Forest may be the team most able this year to sweep in the loss column even with the 18 game schedule.

Hubman wrote:

EastChapelHill04Class wrote:

Now, looking at these results, tell me how good Erick Green is again. Follow-up question:

VT is not a good basketball team this year, but everyone knew they were not going to be.  They have two walk-ons getting REGULAR playing time.  They lost there best returning frosh from last year, their top incoming frosh from this year, and kept the guys that Greenberg has brought on that were, well, not very good.......oh, and their top frosh on the team this year broke his foot......

They will win some more games, but the season will not be pretty.  There is a serious problem on the defensive side of the ball right now.  Basically, they cannot defend anyone......or shoot......or rebound......you get the point.....

With that said, Green is definitely one of the better players in the league, and probably the country.  No, he is not NBA lottery material, but that does not take away from how good of a college basketball player he developed into.........he is basically all VT has right now, and it's not easy to put up 25 points a game when every team is completely focussed on guarding you, and only you.......

It's safe to say that VT is not very good, but to question the quality of a player averaging 25 points a game is a bit of a stretch......

You missed my point, my point was if he's so good, why did this team get blown out in its last 3 games against not powerhouse teams. Why wasn't Green able to keep these margins less and dare say win one of these games. He may have talent, but if it doesn't translate into wins for his team then who cares how good he is?

This thread is about will VT win a conference game or not; not will Erick Green make all-ACC 1st or 2nd team or not.

JamesHenderson wrote:

EastChapelHill04Class wrote: Virginia Tech's last 5 games:

vs Georgia Southern 78-73 LOSS (loss at home to Ga. Southern and this is an ACC team)

vs Bradley 66-65 (overtime) WIN (took overtime to beat Bradley and this is an ACC team)

vs Colorado State 88-52 LOSS (CSU is improved but should not win by 30+ points)

at BYU 97-71 LOSS (never easy to win in Salt Lake City, but should keep the spread under 25)

at Maryland 94-71 LOSS (Maryland is improved and this was on the road, but again the spread should be kept under 20)

See my point? Lately, when they play decent teams, VT isn't just losing they're getting crushed. They lose at home against Ga. Southern who probably is not a bracket buster. On a neutral floor against Bradley they survived by 1 point in OT...against Bradley. Then on a neutral floor against CSU, they get destroyed.

Now, looking at these results, tell me how good Erick Green is again. Follow-up question: tell me why he couldn't carry them to a win over GSU or at least minimize the losses to BYU, CSU and/or Maryland.

After seeing all 12 teams open up this weekend, can you name 2 teams that honestly looked worse than they did?

You can't judge the next game based on any of these games.  Do you really think VT can't beat Wake?  GT?  Clemson?

According to Hubman (Defensive VPI fan): There is a serious problem on the defensive side of the ball right now.  Basically, they cannot defend anyone......or shoot......or rebound......you get the point.....


If VT can't defend, shoot or rebound, how can they beat anyone? Including Wake, GT or Clemson.

I'm sure Hubman was saying this partly in jest, but look again at those last 5 games and hub may be onto something...

lumberpack3 wrote:

Hedjhog wrote:

willembahh wrote:

goturbackpack66 wrote: What is the futility mark in history of ACC basketball?  I'm guessing somebody went 0, and something?  Hope it wasn't State!  LOL

ACC’S WORST TEAMS

 1954-55 Clemson               0-14 ACC (3-23 overall)

 1980-81 Georgia Tech      0-14 (4-23)

 1953-54 Clemson               0-9 (5-18)

 1985-86 Wake Forest        0-14 (8-21)

1986-87 Maryland             0-14 (9-17)

1959-60 Virginia                1-13 (6-18)

1979-80 Georgia Tech       1-13 (8-18)

1988-89 Maryland             1-13 (9-20)

1955-56 Clemson               1-13 (9-17)

My dad was at Clemson during that 1-36 ACC run in the mid-50s.  He says half of their basketball team was the tallest football players they could get, and they would just pound on people because, well, they were no good at basketball and liked hitting people.  I knew they were bad but I didn't know they were that bad

I've always been told by old heads at State that the Clemson teams in mid 50's were the worst.  That GT team was bad, but they were coming out of the metro into the ACC.  What made the Clemson team so bad was that they were not really in a different conference in 53-55, IIRC an old posting from the ACC boards, they couldn't beat the Citadel, Furman or Davidson in that period, let alone getting killed in the new ACC round robin.

The 4 games that Georgia Tech won that year were all against non-DI competition, and in fact 2 of the games they lost were to non-DI competition.  Didn't see the 1950's Clemson squads, but of the teams that I saw, that Georgia Tech squad was the worst.  Good thing that came out of it was they hired Bobby Cremins after the season.  

That 1986-87 Wake squad was a train wreck as well.  Carl Tacy had stepped down after the previous season, and Bob Staak was hired.  Didn't start off too bad, but then some players quit/transferrred/got injured and they fell off the cliff, but they weren't as bad as that Georgia Tech team.

they will beat wake and ga tech....

lumberpack3 wrote:

Hedjhog wrote:

willembahh wrote:

goturbackpack66 wrote: What is the futility mark in history of ACC basketball?  I'm guessing somebody went 0, and something?  Hope it wasn't State!  LOL

ACC’S WORST TEAMS

 1954-55 Clemson               0-14 ACC (3-23 overall)

 1980-81 Georgia Tech      0-14 (4-23)

 1953-54 Clemson               0-9 (5-18)

 1985-86 Wake Forest        0-14 (8-21)

1986-87 Maryland             0-14 (9-17)

1959-60 Virginia                1-13 (6-18)

1979-80 Georgia Tech       1-13 (8-18)

1988-89 Maryland             1-13 (9-20)

1955-56 Clemson               1-13 (9-17)

My dad was at Clemson during that 1-36 ACC run in the mid-50s.  He says half of their basketball team was the tallest football players they could get, and they would just pound on people because, well, they were no good at basketball and liked hitting people.  I knew they were bad but I didn't know they were that bad

I've always been told by old heads at State that the Clemson teams in mid 50's were the worst.  That GT team was bad, but they were coming out of the metro into the ACC.  What made the Clemson team so bad was that they were not really in a different conference in 53-55, IIRC an old posting from the ACC boards, they couldn't beat the Citadel, Furman or Davidson in that period, let alone getting killed in the new ACC round robin.

In the 54-55 season Clemson only won 2 games, both against Georgia.  How bad must Georgia have been?  That season Clemson lost twice to Presbyterian, including one defeat of 36 points.  They lost twice to Furman, once by 37.  They lost to Tenn Tech.  They lost a game to Duke by 61.  They lost to Wake Forest by 55.  State beat them 3 times, by 40, 34, and 25.

Really...the same Virginia Tech team that beat Oklahoma State which pounded NC State? They must be wondering the same thing about the Pack.

EastChapelHill04Class wrote: Seriously.

Their roster is awful, the head coach has never been the head coach anywhere else before and oh by the way it's not football here for Virginia Tech.

The first month and a half seems like an anomaly after seeing their last 3 games (losses by 36, 26 and 23) and I told a few VPI folks I knew this might happen, but said it mostly in jest. Now it looks very real as they enter conference play.

Somewhere Seth Greenberg is smiling.

NC State plays them in Raleigh on Feb. 16th and I wish we played them twice!

What do y'all think? Will the Chokies set the ultimate mark in futility in the history of ACC basketball?

tabramos wrote: Really...the same Virginia Tech team that beat Oklahoma State which pounded NC State? They must be wondering the same thing about the Pack.

EastChapelHill04Class wrote: Seriously.

Their roster is awful, the head coach has never been the head coach anywhere else before and oh by the way it's not football here for Virginia Tech.

The first month and a half seems like an anomaly after seeing their last 3 games (losses by 36, 26 and 23) and I told a few VPI folks I knew this might happen, but said it mostly in jest. Now it looks very real as they enter conference play.

Somewhere Seth Greenberg is smiling.

NC State plays them in Raleigh on Feb. 16th and I wish we played them twice!

What do y'all think? Will the Chokies set the ultimate mark in futility in the history of ACC basketball?

Once again, is Oklahoma State in the ACC?

Is this thread about VT losing all of their ACC games or losing all of their Big 12 games?

Are you predicting by this logic that Virginia Tech will beat NC State on Feb. 16th?

I think teams have focused on making sure the other four on the floor don't beat them, and they let Green do what he wants. Green is not a player that makes the other players on the floor better, I.e. Zo does a great job of running the offense and distributing the ball. Green hasn't done that the last six games.

hokiewolf wrote: I think teams have focused on making sure the other four on the floor don't beat them, and they let Green do what he wants. Green is not a player that makes the other players on the floor better, I.e. Zo does a great job of running the offense and distributing the ball. Green hasn't done that the last six games.

Agree.

Unless Green can drop 50 in a game, his impressive stats do not translate into wins for his team.

Dear lord

You play the game for a reason - many think Duke or UNC will go undefeated many years only for them to loose a game or two. VT will not be 0 fer - hopefully NCSU is not one of those teams

VT will win 4 or 5 games.

Many missed free throws by BC (20-35! ouch!) made this game closer than it should have been.

Still though, another double-digit loss by Virginia Tech. This time at home and this was BC's first ACC road win since the 2010-11 season.

VT only has 7 scholarship players so anyone's game-plan is simple:

Attack the glass and get them in foul trouble early so their lack of depth can hurt them late in games.

So now the Hokies are 0-2 in the ACC.

Next up is Georgia Tech in Atlanta on Saturday; after seeing the Yellow Jackets tonight, I'd say it's a tougher game than some thought.

They'll play us close if these first two ACC games are any indication. We'll give anyone a chance to beat us...

No clearly in sports the transitive property cannot be applied with 100% accuracy. The point is one could wonder if NC State might not be vastly superior to Virginia Tech and then realistically be confident that the Hokies will not be anywhere near 0-18.

EastChapelHill04Class wrote:

tabramos wrote: Really...the same Virginia Tech team that beat Oklahoma State which pounded NC State? They must be wondering the same thing about the Pack.

EastChapelHill04Class wrote: Seriously.

Their roster is awful, the head coach has never been the head coach anywhere else before and oh by the way it's not football here for Virginia Tech.

The first month and a half seems like an anomaly after seeing their last 3 games (losses by 36, 26 and 23) and I told a few VPI folks I knew this might happen, but said it mostly in jest. Now it looks very real as they enter conference play.

Somewhere Seth Greenberg is smiling.

NC State plays them in Raleigh on Feb. 16th and I wish we played them twice!

What do y'all think? Will the Chokies set the ultimate mark in futility in the history of ACC basketball?

Once again, is Oklahoma State in the ACC?

Is this thread about VT losing all of their ACC games or losing all of their Big 12 games?

Are you predicting by this logic that Virginia Tech will beat NC State on Feb. 16th?