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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:27 AM
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Seriously, is Wake Forest the worst program in the 5 power conferences?
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:38 AM
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Trade 'em to the Big East for a college to be named later, possibly Connecticut.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:43 AM
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OldNorthStatesman wrote: Trade 'em to the Big East for a college to be named later, possibly Connecticut. Can we throw in Boston College too?
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:49 AM
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Im thinking Wake should give Bzzz at least 5 years. If he is still terrible after the 5th year, they maybe should sign him to another 5 year contract. He just needs time to get the right personnel and implement his system.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:52 AM
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How dare Wake Forest expect to compete.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:58 AM
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bigblawng wrote: Im thinking Wake should give Bzzz at least 5 years. If he is still terrible after the 5th year, they maybe should sign him to another 5 year contract. He just needs time to get the right personnel and implement his system. Welcome back Lee, we missed you here.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:15 AM
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FeloniousQ wrote: How dare Wake Forest expect to compete. That's what they said about us a couple years ago BG (before Gott) 
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:24 AM
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MisterRee wrote: Bzzz <<< Lowe FTFY
High Five!
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:45 AM
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Riddickfield wrote: Thank you for finDing this, its like a time machine. This one just jumped out at me.
MTOW: How does what you’re seeing square with what you’re hearing from the fan base? RW: I hear both sides from the fan base. I hear that `This is terrible, and nothing could be worse.’ And I hear fans saying `I see what Jeff Bzdelik is doing. We just need to be patient and understand the turmoil that he’s going through. Tell him to keep his **** up and everything’s going to be fine.’ So I hear both extremes. And what’s important is what I see, and I see a lot to be encouraged about.
Meanwhile the collective Wake fan base goes, "HUA?!?!"
How many times did we hear the slow steady progress argument? So glad this guy is not our AD. He channels his inner Jed well. **** gets censored?
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:46 AM
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bigblawng wrote: Im thinking Wake should give Bzzz at least 5 years. If he is still terrible after the 5th year, they maybe should sign him to another 5 year contract. He just needs time to get the right personnel and implement his system. They should expect NIT by about the 5th year or so and be satisfied with that.  Seriously, nobody should give them crap for wanting to be better. Their program has shown it can be successful. Giving them crap about wanting more is exactly the type of junk folks (including many media types) have given us for years.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:48 AM
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badweatherpackfan wrote: Steven1974 wrote: packinseneca wrote: I don't doubt your information...but why has no one hired him since? He appears to be able to win..at least with someone else's players. There must be more, something 'darker'...because he has not be hired by anyone else. Could be that he's happy working at ESPN. This. There's no love lost here for WFU, to be sure. Recently I almost feel sorry for the b-ball team. Bzdelik (?) is no good. Is Wake still paying Gaudio? Typical wording of a contract was to pay the difference between the guaranteed portion of the contract, and any new coaching salary, correct? Could be that he's getting two paychecks.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 10:48 AM
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mwp99 wrote:
Riddickfield wrote: Thank you for finDing this, its like a time machine. This one just jumped out at me.
MTOW: How does what you’re seeing square with what you’re hearing from the fan base? RW: I hear both sides from the fan base. I hear that `This is terrible, and nothing could be worse.’ And I hear fans saying `I see what Jeff Bzdelik is doing. We just need to be patient and understand the turmoil that he’s going through. Tell him to keep his **** up and everything’s going to be fine.’ So I hear both extremes. And what’s important is what I see, and I see a lot to be encouraged about.
Meanwhile the collective Wake fan base goes, "HUA?!?!"
How many times did we hear the slow steady progress argument? So glad this guy is not our AD. He channels his inner Jed well. **** gets censored? fallout from football coaching search
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:06 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- packfan01 wrote: badweatherpackfan wrote: Steven1974 wrote: packinseneca wrote: I don't doubt your information...but why has no one hired him since? He appears to be able to win..at least with someone else's players. There must be more, something 'darker'...because he has not be hired by anyone else. Could be that he's happy working at ESPN. This.
There's no love lost here for WFU, to be sure.
Recently I almost feel sorry for the b-ball team.
Bzdelik (?) is no good.
Is Wake still paying Gaudio? Typical wording of a contract was to pay the difference between the guaranteed portion of the contract, and any new coaching salary, correct? Could be that he's getting two paychecks. --------------------------------------------- That's what Butch did to UNC. He works for Tampa, but doesn't have a title of "coach" of any sort. So they pay him and UNC still pays the full amount. Dino should be on the same plan, but by working in a totally different business, not as shady as Butch.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:15 AM
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I don't feel sorry for Wake at all. Ever since the "tiers" discussions, I've really disliked Wake fans, particularly their basketball fans. The two schools (NC State/Wake) could not be further apart in their student bodies, ideologies, etc..
I've understood why some of our fanbase liked Wellman. When we were stuck with Lee and he wasn't willing to make obvious changes, Wellman was willing to pull the trigger. Some of our fans loved Wellman because of that.
Wellman is like any leader. He's made some good and bad hires. He's done some things well, but made some mistakes.
The only thing that I really feel sorry for them about was Prosser's death. I really liked Prosser and was sad when he died. That left Wake in a tough position.
The Bzz hire? That's all on Wellman. Grobe's huge contract? Again Wellman. The baseball team falling off the map under his watch? Wellman.
Wellman is going down with that Bzz hire. There's no way the WF will let Wellman make another coaching hire in basketball after this disaster.
Wellman would be wise to read the tea leaves and get out while he can, unless he wants to retire. If so, then he should just ride it out and take his parachute payment.
There are two things related to NC State on this: 1) Deb could be in the same thing if we don't watch out. If she misses on some hires and then has a secondary quick trigger, it could be very difficult to fill those spots. This is not an argument to keep bad coaches. It's just something we should recognize. Not all of the coaches will work out.
2) Our basketball program: Dave Odom said in the 1990s that given how entrenched UNC and Duke were, he thought that one of either NC State or Wake could also be good at the same time. If you track what has happened since then, that has pretty much been the case. I personally don't believe it because ACC basketball recruits nationally and you only need a few players, but Wake being down actually helps us.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:15 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- MisterRee wrote:
Bzzz= Lowe
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Way, way worse. Worse coaching (somehow) with less recruiting ability, and I've never seen anyone with worse communication skills. He makes Herb seem like he got along with the fanbase and had Shaka Smart level enthusiasm
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:21 AM
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No way I let them walk. I hope they sign Bzzz to a lifetime contract. You think I'm gonna give all those who bashed us during the sendek and lowe years? I remember all the crap we got and payback is coming. Oh it is. It's coming. State is back. I beleive that. Not there....but headed back to knowing we can compete with anyone night in night out like back in the V days. No one is getting a pass from me 
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:34 AM
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I will say, that was one hell of a polishing in the interview that Wellman gave the turd that is Wake hoops and Bzz.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:29 PM
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Those guys on the WF board that had the inferiority complex and rode us hard when Sendek/Amato/Lowe were here are not representative of the WF fans that I know and have encountered in real life. I don't hold it against the entire fanbase because I know most of them are not a-holes like PHDeac, ChrissyL, and DeaconBrad. I think these three were responsible for starting false rumors about NC State's program than anyone at IC.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:36 PM
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When State was awful, Wake benefitted.
Now we are back and they will go back to where they were before.... a team that will pick us off once in a while but will almost never be a threat to win anything.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:52 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- TruthBKnownReturns wrote
I won't ever forget the time our students ran out onto the basketball court after we beat Wake. I guess State athletics had been so bad for so long that the students just lost their mind. All I could do was shed a tear like Iron Eyes Cody in that famous commercial from the 70's. In my mind, I was screaming, "YOU DON'T RUN ON THE COURT AFTER BEATING WAKE!! EVE
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I was at that game, one of the first on the floor. Wake was at the time #4 in the nation. If I am right I believe they fell off the map afterwards.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 1:00 PM
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would have one sweet basketball conference if the catholic 7 were joined by uconn, cincy, wake, duke, Pitt, BC and cuse. The rest of the ACC would then be absorbed by the sec, b1g and big12. Hooray.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 3:26 PM
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I hope they sign Bzzzzz to a lifetime contract. I was at a WFU game in Winston when Marcus Melvin played for State. His mom was sitting behind the bench and the tie dyed dorks they call students were jeering at her the whole time. State won the game and she waved to the students as she left. When I got home and looked at their message boards they were crying about how "Marcus Melvin's mother taunted us". One of them also said "I can't believe we lost to those public school bottom feeders". They can spend the rest of time in last place for all I care. Oh, and Sidney owned them.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 3:35 PM
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Gilligan approves of this thread. 
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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:09 PM
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The wins and losses don't matter, the key is does Bzzz have the 12 seeds of greatness? I've even forgotten what the 12 seeds were.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:34 PM
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MegaPack wrote: Seriously, is Wake Forest the worst program in the 5 power conferences? They are definitely in the conversation. I'd think BC, Southern Cal, and Auburn would be in there too.
SABOTAGE!!!
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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:35 PM
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That had nothing to do with Dino being fired. DevilnTX wrote:
reciprocity wrote: Can someone refresh my memory? Why was Gaudio fired? Seems as though it had to do with an alleged sexual assault at a hotel involving key players and the way Gaudio handled it.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:37 PM
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GSOWuf wrote: I don't hold it against the entire fanbase because I know most of them are not a-holes like PHDeac, ChrissyL, and DeaconBrad. I think these three were responsible for starting false rumors about NC State's program than anyone at IC. There were many more...... In the end It wouldn't bother me a bit to see them fail for eternity. While you can't hold It against the entire Wake fanbase, per capita they have more Idiots than unc.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:38 PM
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Reading their board is like something deja vu from the Lowe years. Have to think that whatever Wellman says right now, he can't keep Bzdelik around much longer.
The few Wake fans I know are very nice folks.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:39 PM
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packfan01 wrote:
reciprocity wrote: Can someone refresh my memory? Why was Gaudio fired? I'm not sure of the behind-the-scenes reason, but the reason Wellman gave was basically "Gaudio didn't have post-season success" (I think he got bounced in the 1st round of the NCAAs 2-3 times in a row).
Extremely ironic, this. The real reason he was canned was because he had zero control of the program. That's why you saw so many kids get bounced with Bzzzzzz took over. That's also why Wellman brought in an old friend he trusted to right the ship. That place was about to implode.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:08 PM
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Derek Medlin @ DerekMedlin9m RT @ BSD_RaJohnston: Capacity December crowd at the Joel according to Ron Wellman http:// lockerz.com/s/270022703

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Posted: 12/18/2012 7:49 PM
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Bless their hearts, they sure are giving Furman a good game.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 8:07 PM
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Tim Duncan where art thou?
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:29 AM
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XxPack18xX wrote: The reason why Dino was let go due to him pissing off the higher ups and alumni. It has nothing to do with not winning..he had a real good winning percentage. However, due to them letting him go, they have fallen to the bottom of the tarpit (no pun intended). It sucks. I am from Winston and would like Wake to be competitive. I think the real reason were all of the off the court problems by his players. Rape charges, flunking out, etc., etc.. Wake cleaned up their own mess unlike UNCheat.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 1:00 PM
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I heard they are changing the WF on the uniforms to WTF.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 5:14 PM
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mwp99 wrote:
Riddickfield wrote: Thank you for finDing this, its like a time machine. This one just jumped out at me.
MTOW: How does what you’re seeing square with what you’re hearing from the fan base? RW: I hear both sides from the fan base. I hear that `This is terrible, and nothing could be worse.’ And I hear fans saying `I see what Jeff Bzdelik is doing. We just need to be patient and understand the turmoil that he’s going through. Tell him to keep his **** up and everything’s going to be fine.’ So I hear both extremes. And what’s important is what I see, and I see a lot to be encouraged about.
Meanwhile the collective Wake fan base goes, "HUA?!?!"
How many times did we hear the slow steady progress argument? So glad this guy is not our AD. He channels his inner Jed well. **** gets censored? Thomas Jefferson copped out when the going got tough.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 12:38 AM
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Frack Weak Florist. They killed Gilligan.
That is all.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 12:48 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- erbufo wrote:
I heard they are changing the WF on the uniforms to WTF.
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LOL
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Posted: 12/23/2012 2:46 AM
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Until Buzzdicklick is fired, they will continue to suffer in agony.
I get no pleasure seeing Wake in the dumps.
The sooner this clown's tenure ends, the better, on a number of levels.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 6:53 AM
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it's not even fun for me to irritate their fans any more. it's kind of like beating up stephen hawking.
Their is still more to come. I cannot say but more is coming.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 8:18 AM
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LMAO
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