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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:18 PM
RE: Adrian Peterson falls 9 yards short. Greatest RB all-time?
ThomYorkepack wrote: Uh, there is a guy named Jim Brown that played. You may have heard of him.
He played when the NFL had 12 game seasons...and he still rushed for over 12,000 yards. 9th all time. Averaged 104.3 YPG (still first all time), and 5.2 YPC for his career. Led the NFL in rushing EIGHT times.
I'd rate Brown a clear number one, with Payton, Sanders, Smith, Simpson behind him. AP is great, and may well end up in the top 5, but right now he's not. No doubt. Until somebody else plays LIKE Jim Brown did (not only running with wild abandon but also running straight OVER other players and enjoying the contact), he is the unquestioned #1 all time. Sweetness was incredible. Sayers was the smoothest ever. Emmitt and TD had incredible acceleration. Simpson could break off huge chunks of yardage at a time. Sanders could make players break their own legs trying to react to his reverses. But Jim Brown had that speed and those moves packed into a huge body that could also punish a defensive player. He's the best of all time. (And I say that, and I don't even like the guy......)
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:20 PM
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Jim Brown can't tote grenades fast enough though
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:20 PM
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wolfgar wrote: Jim Brown can't tote grenades fast enough though let's see you try it
football record prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:22 PM
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wolfer79 wrote:
wolfgar wrote: Jim Brown can't tote grenades fast enough though let's see you try it haha ima the kraut firing down from the third floor on yo ***!
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:43 PM
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Peterson's got a long ways to go before being one of the all time greats. I'd argue that Tomlinson is the best in the last 10 years as he did it year over year.
I'm not old enough to have seen Jim Brown play live, but the best RB that I've personally ever seen was Barry Sanders (and I watched a lot of games by Payton). Sanders did things with the ball that I've never seen another RB do, and he did it on a team with virtually no supporting cast. Yes, Payton was amazing, but he was doing it on some pretty good teams with some good lines. I suspect had Sanders not (smartly) retired in his prime, then this wouldn't even be a conversation.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:50 PM
RE: Will AP break single season rushing record? NO, 9 yards
wolfpackfan10 wrote:
JamesHenderson wrote: There is no doubt who the MVP is.
Seriously, is Adrian Peterson the greatest RB to play the game? No. I think by the end of his career he could be top 5 but he has a great O-line as well. I watched Barry Sanders his whole career and he always had a crappy O-line in Detroit. It was amazing to see what Barry did when he had the football in his hands. Barry Sanders could make Jesus Christ miss the tackle coming off the edge. Who is on this great OL that he has? The Loadholt guy that killed them today? Is there a Pro Bowler on his line?
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:50 PM
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I'm a Redskin fan and I hate the Cowboys with a passion, but Tony Dorsett was the best I ever saw play.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:52 PM
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ncstate598 wrote: Not doubting that AP is a great back, but the true test of if he is the best ever, wait 5 years and lets have that discussion, just like they do with HOF candidates. Of course most people are gonna have a knee jerk reaction right this minute. Let's let the hype of the day wear off. In 2017? maybe not. Have to see his resume for a much longer period than what he has already. IMO right now, I would have Walter Payton and Barry Sanders ahead of him for sure. Obviously if you're going by stats he's not going to be there, I just mean the eye test. He's been dominant his entire career IIRC, although most of those guys have.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:53 PM
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ThomYorkepack wrote: Uh, there is a guy named Jim Brown that played. You may have heard of him.
He played when the NFL had 12 game seasons...and he still rushed for over 12,000 yards. 9th all time. Averaged 104.3 YPG (still first all time), and 5.2 YPC for his career. Led the NFL in rushing EIGHT times.
I'd rate Brown a clear number one, with Payton, Sanders, Smith, Simpson behind him. AP is great, and may well end up in the top 5, but right now he's not. Yep, heard of Jim Brown. He should have been playing now, not in the days of 240 pound linemen. He was ahead of his time. His first 4 years they had 12-game seasons, his final 5 they had 14.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:56 PM
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Sanders was the #1 cause of dislocated ankles among safeties and corners in the NFL. Really would have liked to see what he would have done with another 3-4 years. Didn't see Simpson or Brown play, Walter Payton is who I remember and remains the standard I judge all running backs. Peterson is going to be top5 all time, barring a serious career-ending injury.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:57 PM
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as a vikings fan, i think AD has to be considered as one of the best ever.
obviously, its hard to compare across different eras. How the heck can anyone say he is better than Brown or not.
that said, I am just glad we are alive for one more week. i dont see us beating the peckers next week but with AD anything is possible.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 9:58 PM
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MApackfan wrote:
ThomYorkepack wrote: Uh, there is a guy named Jim Brown that played. You may have heard of him.
He played when the NFL had 12 game seasons...and he still rushed for over 12,000 yards. 9th all time. Averaged 104.3 YPG (still first all time), and 5.2 YPC for his career. Led the NFL in rushing EIGHT times.
I'd rate Brown a clear number one, with Payton, Sanders, Smith, Simpson behind him. AP is great, and may well end up in the top 5, but right now he's not. No doubt. Until somebody else plays LIKE Jim Brown did (not only running with wild abandon but also running straight OVER other players and enjoying the contact), he is the unquestioned #1 all time.
Sweetness was incredible. Sayers was the smoothest ever. Emmitt and TD had incredible acceleration. Simpson could break off huge chunks of yardage at a time. Sanders could make players break their own legs trying to react to his reverses.
But Jim Brown had that speed and those moves packed into a huge body that could also punish a defensive player. He's the best of all time. (And I say that, and I don't even like the guy......) You don't think AP runs like that?
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Posted: 12/30/2012 10:03 PM
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wolfsappi wrote:
that said, I am just glad we are alive for one more week. i dont see us beating the peckers next week but with AD anything is possible. congrats to the Vikes, theyve played well these last few weeks and are a tough draw. Glad to see the bears and giants out but they werent playing well and Minnesota is. Bizarre that our secondary played so poorly after being solid all year. Hopefully Woodson comes back next week. that 3rd and 11 deep in your own end was a backbreaker. Ponder played well though. Hes the wild card. AD will get his yards, esp if he gets 40 carries again. Just hoping our D will play better and Ponder will float a couple into the cold Lambeau win. Thought the refs were horrid on both sides. again, congrats to Minnesota |
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Posted: 12/30/2012 10:08 PM
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JaegerWolf wrote: I'm a Redskin fan and I hate the Cowboys with a passion, but Tony Dorsett was the best I ever saw play. You must not have watched much football over the years. |
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Posted: 12/30/2012 10:15 PM
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Tomlinson is a quitter. I will always think of him sitting on the sitting on the bench with his
helmet on during a playoff game. But, Philip Rivers played on a bad knee and did not sit
out.
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Posted: 12/30/2012 10:21 PM
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wrcwolf wrote:
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--- ThomYorkepack wrote:
Uh, there is a guy named Jim Brown that played. You may have heard of him.
He played when the NFL had 12 game seasons...and he still rushed for over 12,000 yards. 9th all time. Averaged 104.3 YPG (still first all time), and 5.2 YPC for his career. Led the NFL in rushing EIGHT times.
I'd rate Brown a clear number one, with Payton, Sanders, Smith, Simpson behind him. AP is great, and may well end up in the top 5, but right now he's not.
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Don't do it, Thom. Remember, Jim Brown played in the 50's and 60's when every athlete was a bum according to James Henderson. He's a non-factor in this discussion, since for some, football, or other sports, was irrelevant prior to the day they were born.
In 1963, Jim Brown had 845 more yards than the 2nd leading rusher in the NFL that year. He was 1,022 yards ahead of the 3rd leading rusher in the league. Of course, everyone was a bum back in those days. Come on now, the all-time greats can't be bums, just the guys they are playing against! Dude was trucking DLs he was bigger than in 1965!
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Posted: 12/30/2012 10:32 PM
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Christian Okoye :)
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:10 AM
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wolfgar wrote: Jim Brown can't tote grenades fast enough though he is so good at acting, he makes you think that.
drink beer straight from the bottle...brilliant!
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:29 AM
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When I first saw the question of is AP the best running back ever I thought heck no.
But to do what he has done in a pass-happy league that Brown, Payton, Dickerson, Sayers, Sanders and whoever else did not play in, Peterson has to be in the discussion. I think the jury is still out on him being the best ever, but to me this is the greatest single season rushing effort in history given the circumstances.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:36 AM
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spider321 wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote: I'm a Redskin fan and I hate the Cowboys with a passion, but Tony Dorsett was the best I ever saw play.
You must not have watched much football over the years. Saw my first Redskin game in 1969. Unless you are considerably older than me, I can almost guarantee I've watched more than you have. -------
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:57 AM
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ncpack54 wrote: When I first saw the question of is AP the best running back ever I thought heck no.
But to do what he has done in a pass-happy league that Brown, Payton, Dickerson, Sayers, Sanders and whoever else did not play in, Peterson has to be in the discussion. I think the jury is still out on him being the best ever, but to me this is the greatest single season rushing effort in history given the circumstances. pass happy league opens running lanes, i'd go with payton as the greatest ever, and i hate the bears INTERNET CHAMPION OF THE WORLD |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:11 AM
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JaegerWolf wrote:
spider321 wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote: I'm a Redskin fan and I hate the Cowboys with a passion, but Tony Dorsett was the best I ever saw play.
You must not have watched much football over the years.
Saw my first Redskin game in 1969. Unless you are considerably older than me, I can almost guarantee I've watched more than you have. Ok, so you didn't comprehend much of what you were watching. No biggie. |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:15 AM
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What Peterson accomplished today one of the great sports feats of all time. Coming back from the injury to do what he did, insanity. If you've seen the guy run you know he's in a class of his own. He's freakish. Strong, fast, quick, will run you over even if you're his teammate if you get in his way. His ability to stop and go on a dime isn't explainable.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:37 AM
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When I first saw the question of is AP the best running back ever I thought heck no.
But to do what he has done in a pass-happy league that Brown, Payton, Dickerson, Sayers, Sanders and whoever else did not play in, Peterson has to be in the discussion. I think the jury is still out on him being the best ever, but to me this is the greatest single season rushing effort in history given the circumstances.
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Chris Johnson gained 2006 yards in 2009. Was the NFL not a pass-happy league in 2009? Jamal Lewis gained 2066 in 2003.
Difference between 1st and 2nd place in rushing yards:
1963 - Jim Brown +845
1973 - OJ Simpson +859
1984 - Eric Dickerson +420
1997 - Barry Sanders +303
2003 - Jamal Lewis +183
2009 - Chris Johnson +590
2012 - Adrian Peterson +480
Great year for AP. One of the best ever, but nowhere near the hyperbole that I'm hearing from some. Give me OJ's '73 season behind the "Electric Company" as best ever among the group above. Again, he did that against bums according to some, though.
James, you didn't disappoint. As someone with a job in sports reporting, one would think one should have a better understanding of the past, but maybe not.
Speaking of rushing, interesting to see where the playoff teams ranked rushing and defending the run this year.
Rushing:
1. Minnesota
2. Washington
3. Seattle
4. San Francisco
7. New England
8. Houston
11. Baltimore
16. Denver
18. Cincy
20. Green Bay
22 . Indy
29. Atlanta
Rushing Against:
3. Denver
4. San Francisco
5. Washington
7. Houston
9. New England
10. Minnesota
11. Seattle
12. Cincy
18. Green Bay
21. Baltimore
22. Atlanta
29. Indy
May be a pass-happy league, but running and stopping the run are still vital to making the playoffs. As the past few years have pointed out, it's not an end-all, be-all once in the playoffs. Pretty impressive season by Green Bay, Atlanta and Indy in making the playoffs and being in the bottom half of the league in both statistical categories.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:39 AM
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Barry Sanders is the best ever, IMO. Clearly AP is one of the best ever. AP is in the same class as Barry, however, he's only played for 6 seasons. Let's re-evaluate after 10 seasons.
I was really disappointed AP didn't break the season rushing record. He really deserved it.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:56 AM
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lance7 wrote:
ThomYorkepack wrote: Uh, there is a guy named Jim Brown that played. You may have heard of him.
He played when the NFL had 12 game seasons...and he still rushed for over 12,000 yards. 9th all time. Averaged 104.3 YPG (still first all time), and 5.2 YPC for his career. Led the NFL in rushing EIGHT times.
I'd rate Brown a clear number one, with Payton, Sanders, Smith, Simpson behind him. AP is great, and may well end up in the top 5, but right now he's not. yep. the conversation starts and ends with Jim Brown.
and OJ got his 2000 in a 14 game season. great back before he became a murderer.
AP keeps doing what he's doing, and he'll be in the conversation. in 7 years. Barry Sanders had 2000 over the last 14 games of the 1997 season. I had him on my fantasy team and he only had 53 yards through the first 2 games. Then went freaking nuts the rest of the year. He had 310 carries in those 14 games for a 6.5 average. OJ had 2003 yards on 332 carries for a 6.0 average.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:49 AM
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spider321 wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
spider321 wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote: I'm a Redskin fan and I hate the Cowboys with a passion, but Tony Dorsett was the best I ever saw play.
You must not have watched much football over the years.
Saw my first Redskin game in 1969. Unless you are considerably older than me, I can almost guarantee I've watched more than you have. Ok, so you didn't comprehend much of what you were watching. No biggie. Instead of being a dick, you could just point out why you think I'm wrong. -------
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Posted: 12/31/2012 3:11 AM
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state95 wrote:
lance7 wrote:
ThomYorkepack wrote: Uh, there is a guy named Jim Brown that played. You may have heard of him.
He played when the NFL had 12 game seasons...and he still rushed for over 12,000 yards. 9th all time. Averaged 104.3 YPG (still first all time), and 5.2 YPC for his career. Led the NFL in rushing EIGHT times.
I'd rate Brown a clear number one, with Payton, Sanders, Smith, Simpson behind him. AP is great, and may well end up in the top 5, but right now he's not. yep. the conversation starts and ends with Jim Brown.
and OJ got his 2000 in a 14 game season. great back before he became a murderer.
AP keeps doing what he's doing, and he'll be in the conversation. in 7 years. Barry Sanders had 2000 over the last 14 games of the 1997 season. I had him on my fantasy team and he only had 53 yards through the first 2 games. Then went freaking nuts the rest of the year. He had 310 carries in those 14 games for a 6.5 average. OJ had 2003 yards on 332 carries for a 6.0 average. That was all on Bobby Ross. He had to be told after the first two games that it doesn't matter how few yards Barry had after the first 10 carries or so, you've got to keep giving him the ball and he'll get you your yards. Barry is the only guy on the list that did things I haven't seen before or since, and don't expect to see again. To say nobody has ever run like Jim Brown is foolish. AP runs like him. As did Bo Jackson. As did Earl Campbell. And you don't have to sub those guys out on the goal line like you would a Barry, but Barry is pretty much incomparable. Barry's the guy that if you tried to tell stories about, nobody would believe you (I saw him make a defender do a 360 and fall down without touching him.....) I'd pay a ticket to watch all those guys play. But Barry would get the highest price tag. ___________________________________________
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Posted: 12/31/2012 4:55 AM
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Barry Sanders is the best RB of all time. Had he continued to play he would've had several records. If you need convincing just watch his film. You'll change your mind in a heartbeat. Guy was unbelievable
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Posted: 12/31/2012 4:57 AM
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JaegerWolf wrote:
spider321 wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote:
spider321 wrote:
JaegerWolf wrote: I'm a Redskin fan and I hate the Cowboys with a passion, but Tony Dorsett was the best I ever saw play.
You must not have watched much football over the years.
Saw my first Redskin game in 1969. Unless you are considerably older than me, I can almost guarantee I've watched more than you have. Ok, so you didn't comprehend much of what you were watching. No biggie.
Instead of being a dick, you could just point out why you think I'm wrong. Bored. Pulling your chain. I do remember Darrell Green walking down Dorsett who had a 30 yard lead on him, tho. |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 4:58 AM
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Quicksand wrote:
And you don't have to sub those guys out on the goal line like you would a Barry... That was because Fontes and Ross were idiots.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 5:18 AM
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Posted: 12/31/2012 6:11 AM
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JamesHenderson wrote:
ThomYorkepack wrote: Uh, there is a guy named Jim Brown that played. You may have heard of him.
He played when the NFL had 12 game seasons...and he still rushed for over 12,000 yards. 9th all time. Averaged 104.3 YPG (still first all time), and 5.2 YPC for his career. Led the NFL in rushing EIGHT times.
I'd rate Brown a clear number one, with Payton, Sanders, Smith, Simpson behind him. AP is great, and may well end up in the top 5, but right now he's not. Yep, heard of Jim Brown. He should have been playing now, not in the days of 240 pound linemen. He was ahead of his time.
His first 4 years they had 12-game seasons, his final 5 they had 14. What technicality are you going to hang your hat on in 2 years when AP will have played in just as many games as Jim Brown and still not surpass Jim Brown's career rushing yardage? |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 7:52 AM
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StAugieDoggie wrote:
ncpack54 wrote: When I first saw the question of is AP the best running back ever I thought heck no.
But to do what he has done in a pass-happy league that Brown, Payton, Dickerson, Sayers, Sanders and whoever else did not play in, Peterson has to be in the discussion. I think the jury is still out on him being the best ever, but to me this is the greatest single season rushing effort in history given the circumstances. pass happy league opens running lanes, i'd go with payton as the greatest ever, and i hate the bears On most teams, but we're talking about CHRISTIAN PONDER here. No running lanes are being opened for AP by the passing game.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 7:54 AM
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partizanpack wrote:
JamesHenderson wrote:
ThomYorkepack wrote: Uh, there is a guy named Jim Brown that played. You may have heard of him.
He played when the NFL had 12 game seasons...and he still rushed for over 12,000 yards. 9th all time. Averaged 104.3 YPG (still first all time), and 5.2 YPC for his career. Led the NFL in rushing EIGHT times.
I'd rate Brown a clear number one, with Payton, Sanders, Smith, Simpson behind him. AP is great, and may well end up in the top 5, but right now he's not. Yep, heard of Jim Brown. He should have been playing now, not in the days of 240 pound linemen. He was ahead of his time.
His first 4 years they had 12-game seasons, his final 5 they had 14. What technicality are you going to hang your hat on in 2 years when AP will have played in just as many games as Jim Brown and still not surpass Jim Brown's career rushing yardage? It's hard to compare players across diff. eras. In 1965, who was the JJ Watt or BJ Raji that was hanging all over AP yesterday?
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:05 AM
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JamesHenderson wrote:
It's hard to compare players across diff. eras. In 1965, who was the JJ Watt or BJ Raji that was hanging all over AP yesterday? 1965 - 14 team NFL, 8 team AFL separate and unequal unless until merger just looking at Pro football HOF list DL NFC Atkins Jordan Davis Page Eller Marshall Jones Lilly Olsen AFC Bethea Buchanan LB Butkus was rookie in 1965 Nitskchke Hanburger Huff Wilcox AFC Bell
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:17 AM
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JamesHenderson wrote:
partizanpack wrote:
JamesHenderson wrote:
ThomYorkepack wrote: Uh, there is a guy named Jim Brown that played. You may have heard of him.
He played when the NFL had 12 game seasons...and he still rushed for over 12,000 yards. 9th all time. Averaged 104.3 YPG (still first all time), and 5.2 YPC for his career. Led the NFL in rushing EIGHT times.
I'd rate Brown a clear number one, with Payton, Sanders, Smith, Simpson behind him. AP is great, and may well end up in the top 5, but right now he's not. Yep, heard of Jim Brown. He should have been playing now, not in the days of 240 pound linemen. He was ahead of his time.
His first 4 years they had 12-game seasons, his final 5 they had 14. What technicality are you going to hang your hat on in 2 years when AP will have played in just as many games as Jim Brown and still not surpass Jim Brown's career rushing yardage? It's hard to compare players across diff. eras. In 1965, who was the JJ Watt or BJ Raji that was hanging all over AP yesterday? You are right; different eras are hard to compare. You also have to remember that Brown gained his yardage exclusively on natural turf fields that were not as well maintained; many times they are mostly mud. No domes or turfgrass fields. And those teams were "run-first" offenses where the defense stacked to stop the run. But when you watch his highlights and look at per-game yardage, he is simply hard to not rank as #1 all time.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:30 AM
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JamesHenderson wrote:
On most teams, but we're talking about CHRISTIAN PONDER here. No running lanes are being opened for AP by the passing game. Christian Ponder is a newlywed. married Espn's Samantha Steele at least one pass was completed
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:40 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- JamesHenderson wrote: partizanpack wrote:
JamesHenderson wrote:
ThomYorkepack wrote: Uh, there is a guy named Jim Brown that played. You may have heard of him.
He played when the NFL had 12 game seasons...and he still rushed for over 12,000 yards. 9th all time. Averaged 104.3 YPG (still first all time), and 5.2 YPC for his career. Led the NFL in rushing EIGHT times.
I'd rate Brown a clear number one, with Payton, Sanders, Smith, Simpson behind him. AP is great, and may well end up in the top 5, but right now he's not. Yep, heard of Jim Brown. He should have been playing now, not in the days of 240 pound linemen. He was ahead of his time.
His first 4 years they had 12-game seasons, his final 5 they had 14. What technicality are you going to hang your hat on in 2 years when AP will have played in just as many games as Jim Brown and still not surpass Jim Brown's career rushing yardage? It's hard to compare players across diff. eras. In 1965, who was the JJ Watt or BJ Raji that was hanging all over AP yesterday? --------------------------------------------- BUTKUS |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:42 AM
Re: Adrian Peterson falls 9 yards short. Greatest RB all-time?
wolfer79 wrote:
JamesHenderson wrote:
On most teams, but we're talking about CHRISTIAN PONDER here. No running lanes are being opened for AP by the passing game. Christian Ponder is a newlywed. married Espn's Samantha Steele
at least one pass was completed  "If you want the truth, ask me". |
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