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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:04 PM
RE: Source: Seven schools agree to leave Big East
^But it's also simple that NCSU wont move on it's own correct? For instance, if the SEC/B1G called and wanted NCSU, you do agree that NCSU wont/cant move by itself without making sure UNC is taken care of correct?
So that may be more the reason people have little man syndrome.
-Brooks Doughtie
NC State Triathlon Club Team Head Coach
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Posted: 12/17/2012 12:13 PM
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As far as the Big Boy table, are you asserting that Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Washington State, Iowa State, TCU, Baylor and others are bigger boys than NC State? Do they have bigger audiences, followings, etc? Miss State, Ole Miss, and Vanderbilt are charter members of the SEC. The only way they can leave the SEC, per by-laws, is voluntarily. It has nothing to do with audience or following, and has no relationship to the situation of NC State. That said, in this brave new world where it's all about TV markets, I think your school has a lot of value to a conference, especially in a different conference from wherever UNC ends up. |
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Posted: 12/17/2012 3:21 PM
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Dodd article on the race to #6. That's the next step for those in the "group of 5". Try to get the best group together to become the clear #6 in the FBS. www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...conference-no-6 |
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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:54 PM
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wrcwolf wrote: Dodd article on the race to #6. That's the next step for those in the "group of 5". Try to get the best group together to become the clear #6 in the FBS.
www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...conference-no-6 WRC - nice to see someone not drinking the West Va koolaid, or a journalist so lazy that they can't count from four to five. One day the details relative to MD will come out - that's what should make the court case so interesting. By 2016 or so the ACC will be third after the ND and Louisville look ins - Pac 12 @ 31 million Big 12 @ 31 million ACC @ 32 million SEC @ 32 million All the majors except the Big 10 are getting around 20 million per school for TV by 2015/2016. The Big 12 gets about 7 million in playoff money, the PAC 12 and ACC are getting about 6 million. The Big 12 gets $4 million for the Sugar Bowl. The PAC 12 gets $3.33 for the Rose. The SEC gets $3.535 for the Sugar and it's four Orange Bowls. The ACC gets $2 million for the Orange. That's $25 million for the ACC before the Notre Dame 2.5 games (around .750 million per) for a total of $25.75 before the Louisville and ND look in - lets say the ACC gets 2 million so the ACC is at $27.75 million. The Pac 12 will stay at $29.3 - 20 for TV, 6 for playoff, 3.3 for Rose The Big 12 will be at $20 for TV, 4 for Sugar and almost 7 for playoff - $31 million. The SEC is not generating new big money unless they get their network off the ground -something Texas could not do. They are at $18 now for TV, 3.535 for Sugar and Orange Bowl and 6 million for playoff. That's just $27.535 million, perhaps they get an extra 2 million from CBS, ESPN or their network, but that takes them to $29.535 around 2016 or so. 14 schools ACC @28 million in 2016 12 schools Pac 12 @ 29.3 million in 2016 14 schools SEC @ 29.5 million in 2016 10 schools Big 12 @ 31 million on 2016 The Big 10 is the wild card with 14 schools, they get 3.535 for the Rose and Orange bowls. The get almost 7 for the playoff. That puts them at 10.535. Now the TV question? How far can they actually go past the 20 million ceiling set by the PAC12 and Big 12 - they have claimed $35-$45 million according to Maryland. I bet the results are closers to $25 million and once the other elements are added they are at $35 to $36 million, not 45.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:05 PM
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wrcwolf wrote: Dodd article on the race to #6. That's the next step for those in the "group of 5". Try to get the best group together to become the clear #6 in the FBS.
www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...conference-no-6 Aresco likely selling 'Big East' name to C7, adding ECU all-sports, etc... http://ajerseyguy.com/______________________________________________
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:15 PM
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Dodd with another article tonight. Some interesting remarks from an unnamed source. www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...en-raid-for-nowSOUTH BEND, Ind. -- A source has told CBSSports.com there is no current “list” of expansion candidates to be taken in the near future by the Big Ten. That would make sense to Jack Swarbrick. The Notre Dame AD is simultaneously overseeing the exit of his school from the Big East and entry into the ACC. Both conferences are wounded in different ways. However, Swarbrick senses a relative sense of calm settling over conference realignment. “Given how much of this [there is], none of us could have predicted,” Swarbrick said Monday during Notre Dame's bowl media day. “You can't be having definitive statements [but] my sense from talking to my colleagues, the presidential conversations that have gone on, is a real comfort level. I feel really good about the future of that.” Swarbrick was the second source in two days to say that the ACC will eventually be making more money per school than the Big 12. That would seemingly put to rest speculation that Florida State is trying to get out. Both of those conferences are behind the Big Ten, largely considered to be No. 1 in conference revenue at the moment. One source said all the major conferences are within $500,000 of each other, hovering around the $20 million mark per year in annual per-school payout. However, estimates for a future Big Ten have gone as high as $40 million per school when its primary TV rights are renegotiated by 2016. “What you have now is the Big Ten has put itself in a different category financially,” Swarbrick said. “A lot of it has to do with their assets. A lot of it has to do with Jim's leadership. A big part of it is they caught lightning in a bottle [with the Big Ten Network] and no one else can get there, at least in the foreseeable future.” One source said the ACC is in the process of monetizing its soon-to-be lucrative digital network located in Charlotte, N.C. Industry sources are split on whether the ACC can do a full-on network similar to the Big Ten that would be able to throw off profit in a relatively short period of time. |
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Posted: 12/17/2012 9:22 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- PiedmontPirate1 wrote: wrcwolf wrote: Dodd article on the race to #6. That's the next step for those in the "group of 5". Try to get the best group together to become the clear #6 in the FBS.
www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...conference-no-6 Aresco likely selling 'Big East' name to C7, adding ECU all-sports, etc... ajerseyguy.com/--------------------------------------------- All of that makes sense to me. Boise has to indicate it's position first. They've been consistent with their intent to move to the Big East from the beginning. Not sure why that changes. We'll see. If that conference comes about, it will be a strong move for ECU, IMO, Piedmont. It's not the Big East of yesteryear, but it's not that bad either. Think you'll find some national interest in that league as well once they become the "Cinderella" of college football. |
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Posted: 12/17/2012 10:06 PM
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wrcwolf wrote: Dodd with another article tonight. Some interesting remarks from an unnamed source.
www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...en-raid-for-now
SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- A source has told CBSSports.com there is no current “list” of expansion candidates to be taken in the near future by the Big Ten. That would make sense to Jack Swarbrick.
The Notre Dame AD is simultaneously overseeing the exit of his school from the Big East and entry into the ACC. Both conferences are wounded in different ways. However, Swarbrick senses a relative sense of calm settling over conference realignment.
“Given how much of this [there is], none of us could have predicted,” Swarbrick said Monday during Notre Dame's bowl media day. “You can't be having definitive statements [but] my sense from talking to my colleagues, the presidential conversations that have gone on, is a real comfort level. I feel really good about the future of that.”
Swarbrick was the second source in two days to say that the ACC will eventually be making more money per school than the Big 12. That would seemingly put to rest speculation that Florida State is trying to get out. Both of those conferences are behind the Big Ten, largely considered to be No. 1 in conference revenue at the moment.
One source said all the major conferences are within $500,000 of each other, hovering around the $20 million mark per year in annual per-school payout. However, estimates for a future Big Ten have gone as high as $40 million per school when its primary TV rights are renegotiated by 2016.
“What you have now is the Big Ten has put itself in a different category financially,” Swarbrick said. “A lot of it has to do with their assets. A lot of it has to do with Jim's leadership. A big part of it is they caught lightning in a bottle [with the Big Ten Network] and no one else can get there, at least in the foreseeable future.”
One source said the ACC is in the process of monetizing its soon-to-be lucrative digital network located in Charlotte, N.C. Industry sources are split on whether the ACC can do a full-on network similar to the Big Ten that would be able to throw off profit in a relatively short period of time. I don't see why it couldn't make a profit. Duke and UNC basketball are big draws. So are FSU and Clemson in football. |
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Posted: 12/17/2012 10:12 PM
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wrcwolf wrote: Dodd article on the race to #6. That's the next step for those in the "group of 5". Try to get the best group together to become the clear #6 in the FBS.
www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...conference-no-6 Aresco likely selling 'Big East' name to C7, adding ECU all-sports, etc...
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All of that makes sense to me. Boise has to indicate it's position first. They've been consistent with their intent to move to the Big East from the beginning. Not sure why that changes. We'll see.
If that conference comes about, it will be a strong move for ECU, IMO, Piedmont. It's not the Big East of yesteryear, but it's not that bad either. Think you'll find some national interest in that league as well once they become the "Cinderella" of college football. The Big East was damaged goods once WVU bolted if not before when Pitt and Syracuse went to the ACC. I never carried any illlusions otherwise once those events unfolded. As I've stated on the Pirate board, I just want ECU to be associated with the best group of schools it can outside the P5. I like reading that Aresco also wants to seize the leftover high-ground to ensure his league can be best positioned to consistently get that big G5 bowl slot every year. It should most years if things go as intended. ______________________________________________
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Posted: 12/17/2012 10:25 PM
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Posted: 12/17/2012 10:44 PM
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Seems like a great deal for ECU. --------------------------------------------- --- PiedmontPirate1 wrote: wrcwolf wrote: Dodd article on the race to #6. That's the next step for those in the "group of 5". Try to get the best group together to become the clear #6 in the FBS.
www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...conference-no-6 Aresco likely selling 'Big East' name to C7, adding ECU all-sports, etc... ajerseyguy.com/--------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 11:53 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- Big 4 Country wrote: wrcwolf wrote: Dodd with another article tonight. Some interesting remarks from an unnamed source.
www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...en-raid-for-now
SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- A source has told CBSSports.com there is no current “list” of expansion candidates to be taken in the near future by the Big Ten. That would make sense to Jack Swarbrick.
The Notre Dame AD is simultaneously overseeing the exit of his school from the Big East and entry into the ACC. Both conferences are wounded in different ways. However, Swarbrick senses a relative sense of calm settling over conference realignment.
“Given how much of this [there is], none of us could have predicted,” Swarbrick said Monday during Notre Dame's bowl media day. “You can't be having definitive statements [but] my sense from talking to my colleagues, the presidential conversations that have gone on, is a real comfort level. I feel really good about the future of that.”
Swarbrick was the second source in two days to say that the ACC will eventually be making more money per school than the Big 12. That would seemingly put to rest speculation that Florida State is trying to get out. Both of those conferences are behind the Big Ten, largely considered to be No. 1 in conference revenue at the moment.
One source said all the major conferences are within $500,000 of each other, hovering around the $20 million mark per year in annual per-school payout. However, estimates for a future Big Ten have gone as high as $40 million per school when its primary TV rights are renegotiated by 2016.
“What you have now is the Big Ten has put itself in a different category financially,” Swarbrick said. “A lot of it has to do with their assets. A lot of it has to do with Jim's leadership. A big part of it is they caught lightning in a bottle [with the Big Ten Network] and no one else can get there, at least in the foreseeable future.”
One source said the ACC is in the process of monetizing its soon-to-be lucrative digital network located in Charlotte, N.C. Industry sources are split on whether the ACC can do a full-on network similar to the Big Ten that would be able to throw off profit in a relatively short period of time. I don't see why it couldn't make a profit. Duke and UNC basketball are big draws. So are FSU and Clemson in football. --------------------------------------------- Not easy to get a network on TV. Long article that offers more detail on the "Catholic 7" leaving the Big East. Don't buy Tulane as a reason. As the Seton Hall coach imitated, this split is a result of Syracuse, to a lesser extent Pittsburgh, leaving and the potential of the TV deal. www.nj.com/college-basketball/...rce=twitterfeed |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:30 PM
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wrcwolf wrote: Dodd with another article tonight. Some interesting remarks from an unnamed source.
www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...en-raid-for-now
SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- A source has told CBSSports.com there is no current “list” of expansion candidates to be taken in the near future by the Big Ten. That would make sense to Jack Swarbrick.
The Notre Dame AD is simultaneously overseeing the exit of his school from the Big East and entry into the ACC. Both conferences are wounded in different ways. However, Swarbrick senses a relative sense of calm settling over conference realignment.
“Given how much of this [there is], none of us could have predicted,” Swarbrick said Monday during Notre Dame's bowl media day. “You can't be having definitive statements [but] my sense from talking to my colleagues, the presidential conversations that have gone on, is a real comfort level. I feel really good about the future of that.”
Swarbrick was the second source in two days to say that the ACC will eventually be making more money per school than the Big 12. That would seemingly put to rest speculation that Florida State is trying to get out. Both of those conferences are behind the Big Ten, largely considered to be No. 1 in conference revenue at the moment.
One source said all the major conferences are within $500,000 of each other, hovering around the $20 million mark per year in annual per-school payout. However, estimates for a future Big Ten have gone as high as $40 million per school when its primary TV rights are renegotiated by 2016.
“What you have now is the Big Ten has put itself in a different category financially,” Swarbrick said. “A lot of it has to do with their assets. A lot of it has to do with Jim's leadership. A big part of it is they caught lightning in a bottle [with the Big Ten Network] and no one else can get there, at least in the foreseeable future.”
One source said the ACC is in the process of monetizing its soon-to-be lucrative digital network located in Charlotte, N.C. Industry sources are split on whether the ACC can do a full-on network similar to the Big Ten that would be able to throw off profit in a relatively short period of time. Full network like Big Ten?? Is this the online network doing replays? Any information on what the ACC is doing and with which network(ESPN?). |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 9:56 PM
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Just a question about all these conference networks. NCSU has the online media production that essentially broadcasts most of the non-rev. sports. For instance, I can watch pretty much every home baseball game on that production.
So with a conference tv network, like how many times will each school be on there? I get the sense it's more of a wide variety of all games/schools, so what makes it so valuable? So what type of games are actually on these networks, that would make fans want to really buy into it? Do I really care for the BC vs Northeastern football game the 1st of sept or citadel vs fsu?
So does anyone think the individual schools media package will really ever take over and be the go to for most fans?
Pardon my ignorance if I have it all wrong on what they show on the BTN.
-Brooks Doughtie
NC State Triathlon Club Team Head Coach
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Posted: 12/19/2012 12:09 AM
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ncsuTRIcoach wrote: Just a question about all these conference networks. NCSU has the online media production that essentially broadcasts most of the non-rev. sports. For instance, I can watch pretty much every home baseball game on that production.
So with a conference tv network, like how many times will each school be on there? I get the sense it's more of a wide variety of all games/schools, so what makes it so valuable? So what type of games are actually on these networks, that would make fans want to really buy into it? Do I really care for the BC vs Northeastern football game the 1st of sept or citadel vs fsu?
So does anyone think the individual schools media package will really ever take over and be the go to for most fans?
Pardon my ignorance if I have it all wrong on what they show on the BTN. This is my understanding - People pay to watch football, basketball and some baseball. They will watch the women from time to time. People like to watch the team they root for and the teams they hate. There is not much money in a chump game. In the ACC, people will pay to watch Duke, UNC, Syracuse and ND lose. They will pay to watch UNC, ND, FSU, NCSU, Clemson, VT win. That's a gross simplification and not to say that GT, Pitt, UVa, or Louisville don't have fans. Do Wake and BC have fans? It's just a recognition that a lot of folks like to hate Duke, UNC, Syracuse and ND. When it's football, the following teams will turn on the ACC TV's: FSU, ND, UNC, Clemson, VT, and to a lesser degree NCSU, GT, Louisville and Miami. When it's basketball, the following teams will turn on ACC TV's: UNC, Duke, Syracuse, NC State, Louisville, ND and Pitt. When it's baseball, the following teams will turn on ACC TV's FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, NCSU, UVa and perhaps Wake. As to who appears - it's according to who get's ratings. BC and Duke baseball will not appear very much. BC and Duke football will not appear very much. The network after ESPN gets the dregs or what ESPN does not have time to show. About 6 months ago West Virginia trolls began trolling FSU to claim that a treasure trove of tier 3 money was to be made in the Big 12. Only Texas and OU can tap that money. They can tap it because Texas and OU have the fans to tap such stuff. The other Big 12 teams get no more tier three type money than other schools, some get less. Look at Iowa State's most recent tier 3 deal. This tier 3 crap has been repeated by moronic so called journalist that are just bloggers and stringers at places like Forbes, etc. They talk out of their anus instead out of their mouth. Only the Big 10 has the possibility of generating money that is significantly more than the other 4 conferences. We aren't talking 5-10 percent bumps, but real cash - 30% or so more. If the ACC makes 30, the Pac 12 30, the Big 12 makes 33 and the SEC 33 - that's all roughly even. The Big 12 has a slight edge due to only 10 teams - but that edge is due to Texas and Texas can walk away and take the entire kit and kaboodle. If the Big 10 can really $40 when all others are generatign $30-33 - that will be an issue - however, look for the SEC, Big 12, Pac 12 and ACC to band together to deal with that and bring them back to the pack. I like the athletic type.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 11:19 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- ncsuTRIcoach wrote: Just a question about all these conference networks. NCSU has the online media production that essentially broadcasts most of the non-rev. sports. For instance, I can watch pretty much every home baseball game on that production. So with a conference tv network, like how many times will each school be on there? I get the sense it's more of a wide variety of all games/schools, so what makes it so valuable? So what type of games are actually on these networks, that would make fans want to really buy into it? Do I really care for the BC vs Northeastern football game the 1st of sept or citadel vs fsu? So does anyone think the individual schools media package will really ever take over and be the go to for most fans? Pardon my ignorance if I have it all wrong on what they show on the BTN. --------------------------------------------- Once again, the tier 1 football rights for the Big Ten are controlled by ESPN/ABC. They typically select 3-5 games a Saturday to show those games on their networks (ABC, ESPN, 2,U). Once those games are selected, the rest (tier 2 and tier 3) end up on the BTN. The BTN get's some decent games, especially once conference play begins. If you're a fan of the Big Ten, you'll watch MSU vs Michigan or Wisconsin vs Purdue. No different than ACC fans watching UVa vs Miami or NC State vs GT on the ACC Network (Raycom). Here's all of the Big Ten's games from this past season on each network. mattsarzsports.com/Football2012/BigTenHere's Indiana's basketball schedule for this year. As you can see most of their top games are shown on an ESPN network or CBS (Big Ten has a seperate deal with CBS for basketball games), but the BTN does get some bigger games (@Purdue) for the top team in their conference this year. bigtennetwork.stats.com/cbk/te...edule&team=0271You can scan the last link to see what the BTN and it's digital network (app) also televise for the other Olympic sports. I watch some hockey from time to time. |
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Posted: 12/19/2012 4:13 PM
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Artist formerly known as the Big East contacts Fresno State and UNLV: LinkThe Big East has “reached out” to both Fresno State and UNLV to join the league on the football side, CBSSports.com has learned. In addition, BYU and Big East commissioner Mike Aresco have at least had informal conversations.This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it? |
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Posted: 12/19/2012 4:16 PM
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They should call their new conference "Everyone Else"
Since they are left out of the top 5 conferences in the new structure, wouldn't it make more sense to go back to regionalizing the conference instead of making this weird national conference. I assume they are trying to get to 16 with an East and West structure which will basically be a combination of the old C-USA and Mtn West. |
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Posted: 12/19/2012 4:56 PM
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I realize that conference name no longer has much of anything to do with the member institutions... but I find it really funny to think Fresno and UNLV might be in the Big EAST one day.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 5:59 PM
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^^ No, there is still a pecking order behind the power 5. Big East has a better chance to be #6 than the rest by plucking who they want from the "group of five".
No surprise on these discussions. The football-only mention is a bit of a surprise, but that could be just a PR move until they can firm up a Western Division for all sports. Not sure either will be able to find a home for their Olympic sports if it is football-only. Move has appeasing Boise State all over it. Which is fine.
2013 MWC
Air Force
Colorado St
Nevada-Reno
New Mexico
Wyoming
Hawaii
San Jose St
Utah St
Fresno St
UNLV
If you're Fresno, UNLV, it will be difficult to turn down the Big East invite. If they do, does New Mexico and Colorado St take their spot or does Boise St and SDSU come back to the MWC? Since the Big East is offering those two, my guess is Boise and SDSU still are pushing for joining the Big East. If that happens, the MWC backfills with Idaho and NMSU most likely.
East
UConn
Cincy
USF
Temple
UCF
ECU
Memphis (could move West)
Navy(football only)/UMass (Olympic Sports) - Wonder if Navy will reconsider football-only invite by 2015.
West
Boise State
San Diego State
Houston
SMU
Tulane (could move to East)
Fresno St
UNLV
One or two from:
BYU/Air Force/New Mexico/Colorado St/Nevada/Utah State
- BYU is the jewel. Their ESPN contract and BYU Network are the sticking points. Have been able to schedule so far. Probably stay Indy, but new BCS system limits them in a big way.
- Air Force would be a nice match with Navy. After reportedly talking with Big 12, no interest in moving.
- New Mexico with UNLV improves basketball in Western division
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Posted: 12/19/2012 9:24 PM
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If it weren't for the fact that it would make a mess of a court situation in finding out who'd get what from a monetary standpoint, I'd almost say the remaining Big East members should have voted to dissolve the league along with the basketball school and then they could have gotten out of having teams like Tulane and SMU join them. They could have then had pick of the litter to form a national super-mid-major conference that almost every year would have the auto bid into the BCS and then occasionally do well enough to make the playoffs.
They could have gone for 16 teams and just gone to two eight-team divisions in the East and West with two crossovers each year (no rivalries to preserve, obviously). Essentially, an all-star MWC/WAC versus an all-star Big East/CUSA. Would even work for basketball with round-robin in division play and four cross-over games. For example:
East: Cincy, UConn, Temple, UCF, USF, ECU, Memphis, Houston
West: Boise, San Diego State, Fresno State, UNLV, BYU, New Mexico, Air Force, Colorado State
I'm sure the lineup could tweak to suit, but it's a good mix of stronger football and a few solid basketball schools.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 10:18 PM
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They could just go to 20 and five team pods:
NE SW
UMass San Diego State
UConn Fresno State
Temple UNLV
Cincy Boise State
Navy Air Force
SE Mountain
ECU Colorado State
SF BYU
CF New Mexico
Memphis SMU
Tulane Houston
Moreover, they could play a 4-2-2-2 slate leaving only two games for chumps or Big Five conferences to buy into.
Of course, getting Navy or BYU to agree to 10 league games is not going to happen.
I suppose they could go 4-1-1-1 and a rival.
That would leave 4 OOC games. A team like Navy would get UMass, UConn, Temple, Cincy, ECU, Colorado State, SD State, and Air Force as their rival. That would all them space for Notre Dame, Army and two chumps.
I like the athletic type.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 7:15 PM
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The ACC really has some high-power law firms representing them i not familar with Smith Leatherwood LLC, but general counsel Holmes LLC is very high powered out of Boston with Washington D.C offices. I understand from people who know the kennedy's are clients of this firm and we know how they seem to get out of trouble.So in retrospect i think the ACC is in great hands coming down the stretch. Remember when Boston College Sued to get out of the Big East? Father Leahy hand picked who will be representing them out of all the law firms in Downtown Boston. So my guess is they had a hand in assisting the ACC in who is the best firm for this type of litigation. Boston College got out of the Big East by the Wording of the meeting, this was a coup for the school and the law firm. I really really think Dr Wallace Loh made a fatal error by assisting the ACC on the increase and voting the way he did, when it became apparent he had first hand knowledge.Stay tune! for all of you litigating buffs try sitting in on this case because i want to see how you guy's interpret this case. My opinion Maryland pay's the full amount including lawyers fees, Big Ten save face and negotiate a settlement.Same exact thing that happen in the BC case. Chance for the ACC to Stick it to the Big Ten and Maryland at the same time. Really as we all know this is really about Notre Dame and how the Big Ten are Mad! at the ACC for getting them so they turn around and get Maryland.  |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 7:19 PM
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lumberpack3 wrote:
ncsuTRIcoach wrote: Just a question about all these conference networks. NCSU has the online media production that essentially broadcasts most of the non-rev. sports. For instance, I can watch pretty much every home baseball game on that production.
So with a conference tv network, like how many times will each school be on there? I get the sense it's more of a wide variety of all games/schools, so what makes it so valuable? So what type of games are actually on these networks, that would make fans want to really buy into it? Do I really care for the BC vs Northeastern football game the 1st of sept or citadel vs fsu?
So does anyone think the individual schools media package will really ever take over and be the go to for most fans?
Pardon my ignorance if I have it all wrong on what they show on the BTN.
This is my understanding - People pay to watch football, basketball and some baseball. They will watch the women from time to time. People like to watch the team they root for and the teams they hate. There is not much money in a chump game.
In the ACC, people will pay to watch Duke, UNC, Syracuse and ND lose. They will pay to watch UNC, ND, FSU, NCSU, Clemson, VT win.
That's a gross simplification and not to say that GT, Pitt, UVa, or Louisville don't have fans. Do Wake and BC have fans? It's just a recognition that a lot of folks like to hate Duke, UNC, Syracuse and ND.
When it's football, the following teams will turn on the ACC TV's:
FSU, ND, UNC, Clemson, VT, and to a lesser degree NCSU, GT, Louisville and Miami.
When it's basketball, the following teams will turn on ACC TV's:
UNC, Duke, Syracuse, NC State, Louisville, ND and Pitt.
When it's baseball, the following teams will turn on ACC TV's
FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, NCSU, UVa and perhaps Wake. Don't forget Georgia Tech.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 8:45 PM
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I guess baseball folks do watch GT baseball. I hate baseball I like the athletic type.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 1:03 PM
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RE: BYU
Aren't the Cougars limited to the minor leagues (Big East, CUSA, etc.) unless they reverse their policy of never playing any game in any sport on Sunday. I believe the only one of the Big Five (SEC, ACC, Big, Big 12, Pac) leagues to allow partial membership in the revenue sports (basketball, football) is the ACC in the case of Notre Dame. College football is not played on Sundays. Would Swof take BYU for football only?
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Posted: 12/21/2012 1:54 PM
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OldNorthStatesman wrote: RE: BYU
Aren't the Cougars limited to the minor leagues (Big East, CUSA, etc.) unless they reverse their policy of never playing any game in any sport on Sunday. I believe the only one of the Big Five (SEC, ACC, Big, Big 12, Pac) leagues to allow partial membership in the revenue sports (basketball, football) is the ACC in the case of Notre Dame. College football is not played on Sundays. Would Swof take BYU for football only? I can't see that happening and not because of religion. BYU's distance and altitude from the rest of the conference would probably be a non-starter. BYU's stadium is nearly at 5,000 feet. VT is at 2,000 feet. That's more of home field advantage than you might think - even Boone is just 3,333 feet. It's 2000 miles from Atlanta to Provo. By comparison its 1100 miles from Tallahasse to Boston. I just don't see the ACC adding BYU with those distance and altitude factors and all that's before you start to deal with Mormon missions and playing against kids who are 22, 23 and 24 years old. I think Texas is the only other school that might get a ND type deal. I like the athletic type.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 3:05 PM
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Well, the distance might be a seen as another factor for limiting BYU to football only. ACC teams would only fly out every other year at the most for football. Would adding BYU for football only significantly add to the ACC's television revenue? That's the big question. Once you get on an airplane what's the difference between flying to South Bend or to Provo in time? It's a long way from Coral Gables to Chestnut Hill now.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 4:28 PM
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OldNorthStatesman wrote: Well, the distance might be a seen as another factor for limiting BYU to football only. ACC teams would only fly out every other year at the most for football. Would adding BYU for football only significantly add to the ACC's television revenue? That's the big question. Once you get on an airplane what's the difference between flying to South Bend or to Provo in time? It's a long way from Coral Gables to Chestnut Hill now. You make a good point about distance not mattering for football only. I do think altitude matters out there. At least it did for me the last two times I was out there, but I'm not in the best shape.  I like the athletic type.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 5:46 PM
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sources saying Boise St. will not be headed to the Big East Three sources told me today that Boise's depature from the Big East is inevitable. “I would be shocked if it didn’t happen.” "Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 12/21/2012 6:01 PM
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dunlow66 wrote: sources saying Boise St. will not be headed to the Big East
Three sources told me today that Boise's depature from the Big East is inevitable. “I would be shocked if it didn’t happen.” If that's the case, SDSU is sure to follow suit. Be interested to see if SMU and Houston stick it out. ___________________________________________
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Posted: 12/21/2012 6:03 PM
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Yeah, that would be a killer blow to the BE. Who would have thought Boise State would be driving this train? The fate of many in the "group of five" resides in Idaho. Dodd comes out with article right after that about Colorado St and New Mexico trying to lure Boise and BYU to start a new conference. Great for a new TV deal, terrible for just about everything else. www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...ming-new-leagueETA - And with that Dodd article comes Brian Murphy's, Idaho Stateman, tweet that prior to joining Big East, Boise studied their options and forming a new conference was #2 on it's list behind Big East.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:16 PM
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The remaining Mountain West members are attempting to convince Boise State that it would have more security staying put rather than going to a conference that could still lose two key members in Cincinnati and UConn if there is more movement by the Big Ten and ACC. Cincinnati and UConn were public about the desire to join the ACC, but Louisville was chosen over the two rivals.
At this point, both schools have to stay in the Big East, but sources at Cincinnati and UConn are under the impression -- even if it's not known to be true yet -- the Big Ten will raid the ACC for two more schools -- North Carolina and Georgia Tech.
Both Cincinnati and UConn sources have said they ultimately think they will be in the ACC and it's a case of not if but when.
Of course, the Big Ten may not move beyond 14. Still, ACC schools that could be ripe for poaching (Florida State and Clemson for a possible Big 12 play and NC State and Virginia Tech as a possibility to the SEC) are waiting to see what happens with a lawsuit over whether Maryland has to pay a $52 million exit fee.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/87712 86/boise-state-broncos-discussing-staying-mountain -west-snubbing-big-east |
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:32 PM
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So, UNC/GT to Big 10, FSU/Clemson to Big 12, and State/VT to SEC. Does that just about cover all the rumors that have ever come up about the ACC to this point? How many message board and blog posters did he copy his work from to come up with that?
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:43 PM
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I would have never considered that Maryland would whore itself out to the highest bidder. Up until they left, I thought it was nothing more than a silly rumor. As the Maryland situation has shown us, in this crazy world of realignment, anything is possible.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:59 PM
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If there is any way at all for Boise State to be able to stay in the MWC, they need to do so. The Big East loses AQ status, so there really is no incentive to go there for football and the Big West is awful. At this point, the MWC is better than both of those conferences. 48wolfpacker wrote:The remaining Mountain West members are attempting to convince Boise State that it would have more security staying put rather than going to a conference that could still lose two key members in Cincinnati and UConn if there is more movement by the Big Ten and ACC. Cincinnati and UConn were public about the desire to join the ACC, but Louisville was chosen over the two rivals.
At this point, both schools have to stay in the Big East, but sources at Cincinnati and UConn are under the impression -- even if it's not known to be true yet -- the Big Ten will raid the ACC for two more schools -- North Carolina and Georgia Tech.
Both Cincinnati and UConn sources have said they ultimately think they will be in the ACC and it's a case of not if but when.
Of course, the Big Ten may not move beyond 14. Still, ACC schools that could be ripe for poaching (Florida State and Clemson for a possible Big 12 play and NC State and Virginia Tech as a possibility to the SEC) are waiting to see what happens with a lawsuit over whether Maryland has to pay a $52 million exit fee.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/87712 86/boise-state-broncos-discussing-staying-mountain -west-snubbing-big-east
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:59 PM
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One would think a CBSSports.com writer would have great sources within the CBS TV family. Not sure why you write the article I linked in previous post, then come back two hours later with this article. Wait to get it right and complete. Was the threat of starting a new conference used to make CBS negotiate? MWC and CBS have restructured their TV deal. Now, I would think, the MWC has the chance to match or come close to the new Big East TV deal. If Boise St (BYU?) returns, maybe even offer more. Not good news for ECU. www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...s-deal-with-cbs |
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Posted: 12/21/2012 10:06 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- wrcwolf wrote: Big East splits their money between the members by percentage. Reportedly the split with the new TV contract will be 70/30 (football/basketball). So full members get 100%, football-only get 70% and non-football full members get 30% of the total TV revenue. The A10 signed a new TV deal this year worth $5 million/year. That would be the starting point for a new non-football conference of those 7 schools plus A10 additions. Probably get a little more, not much, however. That is unless ESPN is somehow pulling the strings behind the scenes and rewards these schools for breaking away, which wouldn't surprise me. Imagine these schools are trying to gain as many advantages as possible before they become the minority. They would be leaving significant revenue on the table, should they leave. --------------------------------------------- Wasn't ESPN that was pulling the strings behind the scenes. Instead, it appears to have been FOX in order to get inventory for it's new national cable network. m.si.com/627787/whats-next-for...lic-7-big-east/Where will we see the games? A week ago, the feeling among the schools was that they’d be happy with $2 million per year from television. Multiple sources have indicated the $3 million per school figure is looking like a more accurate number. Who will pony up? The lead suitor right now is Fox, which is starting its own national sports cable network that’s expected to be on the air this fall. The glut of inventory means that it will inevitably be split between multiple networks, but Fox has been most aggressive so far. There would be some symmetry to Fox using Catholic 7 basketball as a bedrock of its newly founded sports network. Some other upstart cable television network did that with Big East basketball in the late 1970s and early 1980s. It seemed to be a pretty good formula for ESPN. The other leading candidate would be NBC/Comcast, which made a huge bid for the Pac-12 that ultimately ended up forging an unlikely alliance between Fox and ESPN. NBC/Comcast is certainly interested, as they been a persistent factor in the race for Big East programming before things began to fall apart in that league. Could Fox buy it all and sell some off to other places? That seems feasible. Could there be a multi-network deal? That’s highly possible as well. What would surprise people is that ESPN’s fingerprints were nowhere to be found on this Catholic 7 breakaway. The chances of them bidding for it — especially with the potential eye-popping price tag — are minimal. Could ESPN end up with some inventory? Sure. It could end up with a share if the Catholic 7 want to maintain a tie to ESPN. (There’s certainly some nostalgia from ESPN for Villanova, St. John’s and Georgetown). But for now, the chances of ESPN as the primary carrier of this league are slim. They’re already overloaded with regular-season basketball that gets minimal ratings. Why overpay for more? |
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Posted: 12/22/2012 1:05 AM
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Has anyone seen the ECU/Big East promo billboards on 440?
It's actually kind of sad.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 12:58 PM
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Did you.....just....respond to yourself? --------------------------------------------- --- wrcwolf wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- wrcwolf wrote: Big East splits their money between the members by percentage. Reportedly the split with the new TV contract will be 70/30 (football/basketball). So full members get 100%, football-only get 70% and non-football full members get 30% of the total TV revenue. The A10 signed a new TV deal this year worth $5 million/year. That would be the starting point for a new non-football conference of those 7 schools plus A10 additions. Probably get a little more, not much, however. That is unless ESPN is somehow pulling the strings behind the scenes and rewards these schools for breaking away, which wouldn't surprise me. Imagine these schools are trying to gain as many advantages as possible before they become the minority. They would be leaving significant revenue on the table, should they leave. --------------------------------------------- Wasn't ESPN that was pulling the strings behind the scenes. Instead, it appears to have been FOX in order to get inventory for it's new national cable network. m.si.com/627787/whats-next-for...lic-7-big-east/Where will we see the games? A week ago, the feeling among the schools was that they’d be happy with $2 million per year from television. Multiple sources have indicated the $3 million per school figure is looking like a more accurate number. Who will pony up? The lead suitor right now is Fox, which is starting its own national sports cable network that’s expected to be on the air this fall. The glut of inventory means that it will inevitably be split between multiple networks, but Fox has been most aggressive so far. There would be some symmetry to Fox using Catholic 7 basketball as a bedrock of its newly founded sports network. Some other upstart cable television network did that with Big East basketball in the late 1970s and early 1980s. It seemed to be a pretty good formula for ESPN. The other leading candidate would be NBC/Comcast, which made a huge bid for the Pac-12 that ultimately ended up forging an unlikely alliance between Fox and ESPN. NBC/Comcast is certainly interested, as they been a persistent factor in the race for Big East programming before things began to fall apart in that league. Could Fox buy it all and sell some off to other places? That seems feasible. Could there be a multi-network deal? That’s highly possible as well. What would surprise people is that ESPN’s fingerprints were nowhere to be found on this Catholic 7 breakaway. The chances of them bidding for it — especially with the potential eye-popping price tag — are minimal. Could ESPN end up with some inventory? Sure. It could end up with a share if the Catholic 7 want to maintain a tie to ESPN. (There’s certainly some nostalgia from ESPN for Villanova, St. John’s and Georgetown). But for now, the chances of ESPN as the primary carrier of this league are slim. They’re already overloaded with regular-season basketball that gets minimal ratings. Why overpay for more? ---------------------------------------------
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