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Posted: 12/15/2012 11:01 AM
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Sounds like the 7 Catholic schools are about to administer last rites to the Big East.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 11:41 AM
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Wolfpack4Life wrote: Sounds like the 7 Catholic schools are about to administer last rites to the Big East.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 12:14 PM
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Local business journal says Duke and Wake should be worried: http://www.bizjournals.com/tri...p;ed=2012-12-14"Like a rusty old trophy from a bygone era gathering dust in the back corner of a display case, 'The Carolina Way' is now a thing of the past." Brett Friedlander, 21 June 2011. |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 12:42 PM
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College Football is ruining College BAsketball.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 12:45 PM
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Bigwuf wrote: Local business journal says Duke and Wake should be worried:
http://www.bizjournals.com/tri...p;ed=2012-12-14 Steve Logan was talking yesterday, thinking that Wake and Duke would barely make it in. If we are truly headed towards a 4 league, 16 team model... Right now, with the Big 5 conferences (SEC, ACC, PAC 12, Big 10, Big 12), there are 64 current members, plus Notre Dame which means 65 teams are in the mix. Once all of the moving and shaking works itself out, one team in the Big 5 will be left out to make room for ND. Chances are Duke and Wake will barely make the cut, IMO. |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 1:38 PM
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gregpage wrote: College Football is ruining College BAsketball. College football has no effect on March Madness and that is all College basketball is about. In College basketball you can win barely half of your regular season games and still have a shot at a National Championship. Oh and then there is the basic fact that non-BCS schools have basically a very little shot at playing for the football title, and if the BCS members had their say, they would have zero shot. Imagine being 7-5 in the regular season in college football and having a chance to be in a tournament to play for the National Title. That is the equivalent of being 18-12 in the regular season in basketball. Instead in College football, you lose one game and you probably lose any chance at a title. You lose two and you are done. 11-1 in College football is the equivalent of 28-2 in the regular season. Imagine how compelling a College Basketball regular season would be if you had to win your conference or could only have three or fewer losses to get in. Conferences do not matter when it comes to the NCAA Basketball Tournament. College football isn't ruining basketball. It is shaking up the status quo and power structure of conferences.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 1:52 PM
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Wolfpack4Life wrote:
Bigwuf wrote: Local business journal says Duke and Wake should be worried:
http://www.bizjournals.com/tri...p;ed=2012-12-14 Steve Logan was talking yesterday, thinking that Wake and Duke would barely make it in.
If we are truly headed towards a 4 league, 16 team model...
Right now, with the Big 5 conferences (SEC, ACC, PAC 12, Big 10, Big 12), there are 64 current members, plus Notre Dame which means 65 teams are in the mix. Once all of the moving and shaking works itself out, one team in the Big 5 will be left out to make room for ND. Chances are Duke and Wake will barely make the cut, IMO. There are some other schools beside Notre Dame that could get into that top 64. BYU Boise State Cincinnati SMU Houston Fresno State etc. Now, I am not saying all these schools would be in that final 64, but could see one or more as legitimate candidates. Would you prefer Duke football or Boise State ? BYU football or Wake ? "Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:35 PM
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The "Catholic 7" have officially decided to leave the Big East. No disolving of the league. They will leave and from the statement, it appears as if they will not pursue the Big East name either. Now the fun stuff begins as far as tourney credits, automatic bids, etc... Next move is from Boise State, I would think. My guess is that they will stick with their decision to stay in Big East. Have to realize that now there's movement within the "group of 5" to become the dominant conference among the five. With Boise, SDSU, UConn, Cincy, USF, ECU, etc... that group has the ability to seperate itself among the other four. But who knows for sure. Will be interesting to watch. Here's a macro view of how this decision could effect the NCAA voting blocks. An interesting read. www.athleticscholarships.net/2...es-for-ncaa.htm |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:38 PM
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dunlow66 wrote:
Wolfpack4Life wrote:
Bigwuf wrote: Local business journal says Duke and Wake should be worried:
http://www.bizjournals.com/tri...p;ed=2012-12-14 Steve Logan was talking yesterday, thinking that Wake and Duke would barely make it in.
If we are truly headed towards a 4 league, 16 team model...
Right now, with the Big 5 conferences (SEC, ACC, PAC 12, Big 10, Big 12), there are 64 current members, plus Notre Dame which means 65 teams are in the mix. Once all of the moving and shaking works itself out, one team in the Big 5 will be left out to make room for ND. Chances are Duke and Wake will barely make the cut, IMO. There are some other schools beside Notre Dame that could get into that top 64.
BYU
Boise State
Cincinnati
SMU
Houston
Fresno State
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Now, I am not saying all these schools would be in that final 64, but could see one or more as legitimate candidates. Would you prefer Duke football or Boise State ? BYU football or Wake ? Very good points. I think Duke and Wake both have a legitimate interest to be a little worried. Steve Logan seems to think they would make the cut, but I dunno. I could see BYU and maybe Cincy out of that group making a push, and then it's a question of who gets left out. |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:45 PM
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Y'all lost me at "Steve Logan said"
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:01 PM
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wrcwolf wrote: The "Catholic 7" have officially decided to leave the Big East. No disolving of the league. They will leave and from the statement, it appears as if they will not pursue the Big East name either. Now the fun stuff begins as far as tourney credits, automatic bids, etc... Next move is from Boise State, I would think. My guess is that they will stick with their decision to stay in Big East. Have to realize that now there's movement within the "group of 5" to become the dominant conference among the five. With Boise, SDSU, UConn, Cincy, USF, ECU, etc... that group has the ability to seperate itself among the other four. But who knows for sure. Will be interesting to watch.
Here's a macro view of how this decision could effect the NCAA voting blocks. An interesting read.
www.athleticscholarships.net/2...es-for-ncaa.htm My guess is that Boise will ****** the situation and look to what SMU, Houston, SD State, and maybe BYU want to do. Personally, I think it would be in all their best interests to stay west of the Mississippi and reform the mega conference Mountain West, which would essentially be the old WAC + SWC remnants. This would be a conference that would rival the ACC in football stature and you would have east and west divisions that can have a lucrative and compelling championship game and get travel costs closer to reasonability and you don't have the challenges with the Out of Conference scheduling structure of smaller conferences.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:09 PM
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wrcwolf wrote: The "Catholic 7" have officially decided to leave the Big East. No disolving of the league. They will leave and from the statement, it appears as if they will not pursue the Big East name either. Now the fun stuff begins as far as tourney credits, automatic bids, etc... Next move is from Boise State, I would think. My guess is that they will stick with their decision to stay in Big East. Have to realize that now there's movement within the "group of 5" to become the dominant conference among the five. With Boise, SDSU, UConn, Cincy, USF, ECU, etc... that group has the ability to seperate itself among the other four. But who knows for sure. Will be interesting to watch.
Here's a macro view of how this decision could effect the NCAA voting blocks. An interesting read.
www.athleticscholarships.net/2...es-for-ncaa.htm My guess is that Boise will ****** the situation and look to what SMU, Houston, SD State, and maybe BYU want to do. Personally, I think it would be in all their best interests to stay west of the Mississippi and reform the mega conference Mountain West, which would essentially be the old WAC + SWC remnants. This would be a conference that would rival the ACC in football stature and you would have east and west divisions that can have a lucrative and compelling championship game and get travel costs closer to reasonability and you don't have the challenges with the Out of Conference scheduling structure of smaller conferences. Funny how the Mountain West schools left the super sized WAC a few years back, and now they have pretty much absorbed most of those teams back into the MWC. "Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:30 PM
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I'm curious as to who the C7 invite to join them. Are they going to ten or twelve? Xavier is a slam dunk. Probably St Louis as well. Solid basketball only catholic institutions in good markets.
Would they rather invite teams that aren't catholic like VCU and Butler that are bigger names and better markets, or are they gonna go with lesser teams and markets like Creighton/Dayton that are Catholic? Would they throw geography completely out the window and contemplate Gonzaga? Just curious as to how they are going to prioritize any invites to their league. Either way it should be a fun league to follow, and if I were a member of one of these schools, I'd be excited to get out from under the albatross that the Big East label has become.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:36 PM
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FWIW
Pete Thamel @SIPeteThamel
Next decision will be 10 or 12 for New East. Xavier and Butler considered locks. Dayton and SLU in battle 10 if they end there.
Pete Thamel @SIPeteThamel
If New East ends up at 12, it would likely be X, Butler, Dayton, SLU and Creighton. (Temple, GMU, VCU will be considered).
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:37 PM
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^^^^ Possible, but again I think those in the Big East will try to pick the top remaining schools from the MWC and CUSA and establish East and West divisions. Seven or eight schools to comprise both sides. There still is a hierarchy in conferences. The Big East is still considered to be better than the MWC and CUSA. If Boise State and SDSU go back to the MWC, you'll have two conferences that are considered equals in the MWC and Big East among the "group of five" instead of one clear leader. Establishing one dominant conference will help the schools in that conference in regards to the TV contract, the new BCS "host" school invite and tourney bids.
In no way would that conference rival the ACC. Not even remotely close financially and not close in perception either. Travel costs are not that big of a deal for schools out west. They are flying no matter who they play for the most part. Plus, with distinct East and West divisions, even the Olympic sports wouldn't be too difficult for traveling.
East
UConn
Cincy
USF
Temple
UCF
ECU
Memphis
Navy(football only)/UMass
West
Boise State
San Diego State
Houston
SMU
Tulane (could move to East)
BYU/Air Force/Colorado St/Nevada/Utah State (if BYU/Air Force want in, they get first dibs over the rest. BYU likely to remain Indy)
Fresno State
UNLV
^^ Thamel, who has good contacts within Big East, thinks that Xavier and Butler are locks. Dayton and St. Louis would battle for #10 if they stay at that number and Creighton, George Mason and VCU would be finalists for the 12th spot. Creighton might have the edge over the other two.
You beat me to it.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:43 PM
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Seth Davis on CBS saying the exit fee for MD can't be enforced by ACC and if so, it will open the doors for a mass exodus in the ACC leading to 4 16 team super conferences.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:45 PM
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oldschoolkid wrote: Seth Davis on CBS saying the exit fee for MD can't be enforced by ACC and if so, it will open the doors for a mass exodus in the ACC leading to 4 16 team super conferences. It all comes down to which league gets absorbed by the other 4, the Big 12 or the ACC. If Maryland's exit fee cannot be enforced, and with the Big 12's grant of rights deal, I would think it'd be hard for the ACC to remain intact. |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:47 PM
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Not saying it cant, not saying it can, but can there be an explaination for why a contract they signed cant be enforced. I get it, umd had a room full of lawyers scouring every single letter and wording, but again how is this allowed? oldschoolkid wrote: Seth Davis on CBS saying the exit fee for MD can't be enforced by ACC and if so, it will open the doors for a mass exodus in the ACC leading to 4 16 team super conferences. -Brooks Doughtie
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:51 PM
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Again, what four teams does the Pac-12 take to get to 16 without Texas and the three that come with them? The (4) 16-school conferences need to figure that out. It will not be directional U or city State.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:01 PM
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It's a little more complex than just saying college football has ruined college basketball. In a way the NCAA tournament has ruined the regular season and the need for conferences built with basketball in mind. Now that virtually anyone can get into the NCAA tournament why not build your conference around football. Your teams will still make the NCAA tournament as the reg season is less significant. TV dollars for basketball will be centered around the NCAA tournament and basketball conferences will see less year round revenue.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:07 PM
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oldschoolkid wrote: Seth Davis on CBS saying the exit fee for MD can't be enforced by ACC and if so, it will open the doors for a mass exodus in the ACC leading to 4 16 team super conferences. Did he mention which law school he went to? Or how he knows this as a fact?
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:19 PM
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oldschoolkid wrote: Seth Davis on CBS saying the exit fee for MD can't be enforced by ACC and if so, it will open the doors for a mass exodus in the ACC leading to 4 16 team super conferences. And Davis got his law degree from where in Virginia? What a dumb ***.
I like the athletic type.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:31 PM
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Wolfpack4Life wrote:
oldschoolkid wrote: Seth Davis on CBS saying the exit fee for MD can't be enforced by ACC and if so, it will open the doors for a mass exodus in the ACC leading to 4 16 team super conferences. It all comes down to which league gets absorbed by the other 4, the Big 12 or the ACC.
If Maryland's exit fee cannot be enforced, and with the Big 12's grant of rights deal, I would think it'd be hard for the ACC to remain intact. Davis is a dumb ***. Why do folks like to put the comments of morons on here? It's already been shown that the ACC's money is the same of simlar to that of the other five conferences. The Big 12 is just a 2 team league and Texas can leave at any time. It's been explained what a GOR really is and what it is not. Is it a failure to read or is it just stupidity? Why would any ACC school jump in with Texas for no more money? FSU and Clemson will be at 28-30 million in two years along with all other ACC teams. Why would they move to the Big 12 for the same money? Why do they want to become the number 3 and 4 football schools in the Big 12 instead of staying 1 and 2 in the ACC? You have to be stupid or a West Virginia fan not to understand this. If the Big 10 were really strong, the Big 10 would have take MD, UVA, UNC and GT. Instead all they could get was Rutgers and MD. Again you have to be stupid not to understand the mechanics. If UNC, UVa, Duke, VT and NCSU are not willing to move for money and Clemson and FSU have no real offer to move that's 7 teams of the 15 team league. Wake and Miami are not going to leave this group and have no offers to do so. Pitt no offer to leave. This makes 10. Does anyone thing the Big 10 really wants Syracuse and BC? Folks Davis and that moron who writes part time for Forbes show what's wrong with journalism today - it's banal, it's based on wikipedia and it's base on poor math skills. I wish these guys had to take responsiblity for this crap - perhaps have a beautiful women slap their face on ESPN When they are proven worng.
I like the athletic type.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:37 PM
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wrcwolf wrote: Again, what four teams does the Pac-12 take to get to 16 without Texas and the three that come with them? The (4) 16-school conferences need to figure that out. It will not be directional U or city State. WRC - Stanford calls the shots in the Pac 12 - period. Stanford is not adding a religious school or a right-wing school. Texas is the only school of which Stanford approves. Stanford will hold it's nose for OU if Texas comes along. Stanford is NO LONGER willing to hold it's nose for TT or OSU. That means going all the way to Kansas or attempting to build a program in BC (I don't see that happening for decades). Stanford MIGHT, and I do mean MIGHT, support Rice and that will not suite Texas and Colorado does not want to play Texas, etc., etc. The PAC 12 is not expanding . That blow the 4 superconference thing up before it begins.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:41 PM
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lumberpack3 wrote:
Wolfpack4Life wrote:
oldschoolkid wrote: Seth Davis on CBS saying the exit fee for MD can't be enforced by ACC and if so, it will open the doors for a mass exodus in the ACC leading to 4 16 team super conferences. It all comes down to which league gets absorbed by the other 4, the Big 12 or the ACC.
If Maryland's exit fee cannot be enforced, and with the Big 12's grant of rights deal, I would think it'd be hard for the ACC to remain intact.
Davis is a dumb ***. Why do folks like to put the comments of morons on here? It's already been shown that the ACC's money is the same of simlar to that of the other five conferences. The Big 12 is just a 2 team league and Texas can leave at any time. It's been explained what a GOR really is and what it is not. Is it a failure to read or is it just stupidity?
Why would any ACC school jump in with Texas for no more money? FSU and Clemson will be at 28-30 million in two years along with all other ACC teams. Why would they move to the Big 12 for the same money? Why do they want to become the number 3 and 4 football schools in the Big 12 instead of staying 1 and 2 in the ACC?
You have to be stupid or a West Virginia fan not to understand this.
If the Big 10 were really strong, the Big 10 would have take MD, UVA, UNC and GT. Instead all they could get was Rutgers and MD. Again you have to be stupid not to understand the mechanics.
If UNC, UVa, Duke, VT and NCSU are not willing to move for money and Clemson and FSU have no real offer to move that's 7 teams of the 15 team league. Wake and Miami are not going to leave this group and have no offers to do so. Pitt no offer to leave. This makes 10. Does anyone thing the Big 10 really wants Syracuse and BC?
Folks Davis and that moron who writes part time for Forbes show what's wrong with journalism today - it's banal, it's based on wikipedia and it's base on poor math skills. I wish these guys had to take responsiblity for this crap - perhaps have a beautiful women slap their face on ESPN When they are proven worng. If if if...that's the key word here, if. It's all speculation at this point, you can either agree or disagree, because nobody knows. So just sit back and watch it unfold. |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:49 PM
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halftime of IU-Butler(which was a great game) Davis sounded matter of fact that MD would not have to pay all of the $50M and FSU/Clem would be gone before the ink on the ruling was dry leading a number of schools(including State) to go elsewhere. Thought it was interesting for him to go out on a limb like that and what he was hearing to make a statement like that. Said the exit fee wasn't worth the paper it was written on?
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:56 PM
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The PAC 12 is not expanding .
That blow the 4 superconference thing up before it begins. Or it just might mean that instead of 64 spots available, there are only 60 or 62 (depending on how big the B1G minds getting) ___________________________________________
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:56 PM
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There is no way all this conference expansion happens without breaking off and forming some "mega" association free of NCAA. I see it happening, just a matter of time. So, I actually think you dont really need 64 to make it work. If you get all the conferences to shuffle and leave it at 12 in the Pac, it can still work at pretty much any number of teams. 64 just makes this "cute" equal number. But let's say there is only 60 + ND that means they only have to divide the money 61 ways. lumberpack3 wrote:
wrcwolf wrote: Again, what four teams does the Pac-12 take to get to 16 without Texas and the three that come with them? The (4) 16-school conferences need to figure that out. It will not be directional U or city State. WRC - Stanford calls the shots in the Pac 12 - period. Stanford is not adding a religious school or a right-wing school. Texas is the only school of which Stanford approves. Stanford will hold it's nose for OU if Texas comes along. Stanford is NO LONGER willing to hold it's nose for TT or OSU. That means going all the way to Kansas or attempting to build a program in BC (I don't see that happening for decades). Stanford MIGHT, and I do mean MIGHT, support Rice and that will not suite Texas and Colorado does not want to play Texas, etc., etc.
The PAC 12 is not expanding .
That blow the 4 superconference thing up before it begins. -Brooks Doughtie
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Posted: 12/15/2012 5:05 PM
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The PAC 12 is not expanding .
That blow the 4 superconference thing up before it begins. Or it just might mean that instead of 64 spots available, there are only 60 or 62 (depending on how big the B1G minds getting) --------------------------------------------- The SEC and B10 would not let pac stay at 12 and have more money per school in a megaleague scenario. That would force them to 16. |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 5:08 PM
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Seems to me then it'll fall flat on it's face or it will absolutely destroy the Big12. Because who in the Pac12 area is the B1G and SEC conferences going to force on Stanford and USC? Boise State, Utah State, BYU? 89pack94 wrote:
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lumberpack3 wrote:
The PAC 12 is not expanding .
That blow the 4 superconference thing up before it begins. Or it just might mean that instead of 64 spots available, there are only 60 or 62 (depending on how big the B1G minds getting)
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Posted: 12/15/2012 5:14 PM
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If they try to force four on the PAC-12 (which won't happen), or leave them behind (which won't happen), they cut their own nose to spite their face, both in terms of market and legitimacy.
They'll figure out how to distribute their gobs and gobs of money, I'm sure.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 5:18 PM
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ncsuTRIcoach wrote: Not saying it cant, not saying it can, but can there be an explaination for why a contract they signed cant be enforced. I get it, umd had a room full of lawyers scouring every single letter and wording, but again how is this allowed?
oldschoolkid wrote: Seth Davis on CBS saying the exit fee for MD can't be enforced by ACC and if so, it will open the doors for a mass exodus in the ACC leading to 4 16 team super conferences. Contract law, absent fraud, does not allow for punitive damages. The ACC needs to prove that they would be harmed in the amount of $50 million. I see no way they can prove that in court. You and I can sign a contract that says if I mow your law you will pay me $50, but if I do not I will owe you damages of $1 billion, a court will never enforce that even though we both signed it. A court will rule that I owe you the cost you had to pay to get your yard cut by someone else plus attorney fees.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 5:22 PM
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So what was the exit fee before the $50 mil was just recently signed? Or will you then say that pretty much any *exit* fee can get cast away? st8dukegrad87 wrote:
ncsuTRIcoach wrote: Not saying it cant, not saying it can, but can there be an explaination for why a contract they signed cant be enforced. I get it, umd had a room full of lawyers scouring every single letter and wording, but again how is this allowed?
oldschoolkid wrote: Seth Davis on CBS saying the exit fee for MD can't be enforced by ACC and if so, it will open the doors for a mass exodus in the ACC leading to 4 16 team super conferences. Contract law, absent fraud, does not allow for punitive damages. The ACC needs to prove that they would be harmed in the amount of $50 million. I see no way they can prove that in court.
You and I can sign a contract that says if I mow your law you will pay me $50, but if I do not I will owe you damages of $1 billion, a court will never enforce that even though we both signed it. A court will rule that I owe you the cost you had to pay to get your yard cut by someone else plus attorney fees. -Brooks Doughtie
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Posted: 12/15/2012 5:31 PM
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fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes....ols/?ref=sportsSilver's take. This is good news if you're a college hoops fan. Georgetown, Villanova, St. John’s, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall and DePaul share a history of relatively successful men’s basketball programs, along with a heritage as Roman Catholic colleges. They have more in common with one another than they do with the other members of the Big East, which has diluted its basketball brand in its effort to remain intact as an elite football conference. A conference composed of these seven teams, along with select others that do not sponsor Division I football programs, could offer a men’s basketball league that was roughly as competitive as that of major conferences like the Pacific-12 and the Southeastern Conference. The alternative, to remain attached to the other members of the Big East, would put these schools at risk of being associated with a conference that would come to be regarded as second-tier.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 6:02 PM
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halftime of IU-Butler(which was a great game) Davis sounded matter of fact that MD would not have to pay all of the $50M and FSU/Clem would be gone before the ink on the ruling was dry leading a number of schools(including State) to go elsewhere. Thought it was interesting for him to go out on a limb like that and what he was hearing to make a statement like that. Said the exit fee wasn't worth the paper it was written on?
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If Davis really did say that he's an idiot. Even Maryland isn't claiming they don't have to pay an exit fee. They are just saying they shouldn't have to pay $52 million. They are hoping to get the amount reduced. But make no mistake, the ACC will make Maryland win their claim in court. There will be no settlement. That will take years and a ton in legal fees.
As for Clemson and FSU leaving? Where are they going? Not the SEC and if anyone tries to say the Big 12 they are clueless. Nonsense like this is proof positive that intelligence and knowing what your talking about are not required to get a TV gig.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 6:11 PM
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^What in the Big12's tv/media contract made it so that adding more teams doenst increase the value (say if they add newer markets)? Have they thus limited their earning capacity? Obviously if you cant earn more, there is no reason to add more mouths to feed, but what happened or why did the conference sign that type of contract? Is that normal for contracts?
-Brooks Doughtie
NC State Triathlon Club Team Head Coach
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Posted: 12/15/2012 6:15 PM
RE: Source: Seven schools agree to leave Big East
Davis was saying MD would not have to pay the full exit fee and even said "not even close". Never said they didn't have to pay ANY exit fee. Contract law may make these statements true and if the fee is much less, FSU/Clem are gone.
Last edited 12/15/2012 6:17 PM by oldschoolkid
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Posted: 12/15/2012 6:17 PM
RE: Source: Seven schools agree to leave Big East
I said if the ACC can get $35 mil they should take it and run to the bank. No way in hell this goes to court, this will get settled. oldschoolkid wrote: my bad...Davis was saying MD would not have to pay the full exit fee and even said "not even close". Never said they didn't have to pay ANY exit fee. Contract law may make these statements true and if the fee is much less, FSU/Clem are gone. -Brooks Doughtie
NC State Triathlon Club Team Head Coach
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Posted: 12/15/2012 6:18 PM
RE: Source: Seven schools agree to leave Big East
st8dukegrad87 wrote:
ncsuTRIcoach wrote: Not saying it cant, not saying it can, but can there be an explaination for why a contract they signed cant be enforced. I get it, umd had a room full of lawyers scouring every single letter and wording, but again how is this allowed?
oldschoolkid wrote: Seth Davis on CBS saying the exit fee for MD can't be enforced by ACC and if so, it will open the doors for a mass exodus in the ACC leading to 4 16 team super conferences. Contract law, absent fraud, does not allow for punitive damages. The ACC needs to prove that they would be harmed in the amount of $50 million. I see no way they can prove that in court.
You and I can sign a contract that says if I mow your law you will pay me $50, but if I do not I will owe you damages of $1 billion, a court will never enforce that even though we both signed it. A court will rule that I owe you the cost you had to pay to get your yard cut by someone else plus attorney fees. Nothing to add except to say that's a great analogy, ST8. I never understood the general concept so clearly before. It also makes me wonder why leagues have exit fees at all. If a league didn't have one in place, could they still go to court to get the lawn-cutting expenses and attorney's fees covered? |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 7:50 PM
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ncsuTRIcoach wrote: So what was the exit fee before the $50 mil was just recently signed? Or will you then say that pretty much any *exit* fee can get cast away?
st8dukegrad87 wrote:
ncsuTRIcoach wrote: Not saying it cant, not saying it can, but can there be an explaination for why a contract they signed cant be enforced. I get it, umd had a room full of lawyers scouring every single letter and wording, but again how is this allowed?
oldschoolkid wrote: Seth Davis on CBS saying the exit fee for MD can't be enforced by ACC and if so, it will open the doors for a mass exodus in the ACC leading to 4 16 team super conferences. Contract law, absent fraud, does not allow for punitive damages. The ACC needs to prove that they would be harmed in the amount of $50 million. I see no way they can prove that in court.
You and I can sign a contract that says if I mow your law you will pay me $50, but if I do not I will owe you damages of $1 billion, a court will never enforce that even though we both signed it. A court will rule that I owe you the cost you had to pay to get your yard cut by someone else plus attorney fees. I believe it was about $20 million. If the ACC can prove that Maryland leaving caused $50 million in damage to the conference they will get the full amount, otherwise they will get less. The ACC will get something, but the objective of contract law damages is to compensate for damages by the breaching party and not to punish.
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