abcfan2005 wrote: Imagine being a UCONN fan right now.

What's worse? Being a UConn fan and seeing every team fleeing your conference, but you? Or being an EZU fan & wishing to be in the Big East year after year after year, and then when you are FINALLY (partially) admitted, your team is the proverbial "nail in the coffin" that destroys the conference?

Of course, Boston College could finally drop their football program and join in on the fun.

There's really no need for them to build a super-conference in size.  They only need 8 for an automatic bid (I think!), and anything more than that just means more money and time for travel, not just for hoops for for all the non-revenue sports.

And frankly, I think it's a fabulous idea.  I also think it's why UConn is going to end up in the ACC or the B1G.

P.S. It's UConn.  Not UCONN, and not CONN.  Easy way to remember -- just think of the midget in the photo earlier, and include three of 'em.

^ I'm thinking UConn won't get an invite to the ACC because of that law suit they filed against the conference.  the powers that be said no way ever you get in now.  the last thing you want is a bunch of yankees that will drop a lawyer on you on a whim.

If the BE disbands, there is no buyout to deal with for the football schools. UConn would end up in the ACC very quickly, Tulane, Memphis, and ECU back to the CUSA.

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One has to wonder where the NCAA Tourney credits end up if the Big East dissolves. I would guess they go to the individual schools. Will be some extra revenue for Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and Notre Dame over the next five years. After all these moves through the years, the Tulane addition gets the Catholic schools off their seats to potentially breakaway. Who'd have thought? Wonder what strings ESPN is pulling?

espn.go.com/college-sports/sto...ast-sources-say

Boise State holds all the cards for the rest of the football playing Big East schools. Do they stay with their decision to move to the Big East schools or do they tuck their tail and head back to the MWC? If they go back to the MWC with SDSU, what becomes of UConn, Cincy and USF? UConn and Cincy to MAC with Temple? USF to CUSA with the other new BE schools.

www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...ts-shaky-future

A quaint state school on the banks of the Boise River is the Big East's football flagship.

"There isn't another, other anchor team [in the Big East]," one college administrator said.

• Big East credibility has been damaged but no matter what happens, Boise is going to be OK. At the BCS level, conference brands sell. At the mid-tier level, individual schools give value to a conference.

CBSSports.com has learned that there was interest from a rights-holder in televising Boise State's home games only, similar to Notre Dame. That's not to say Boise would go independent, but it is a sign that the football program alone has television value no matter where it ends up.

A Big East source from a football-playing school told ESPN on Sunday, 'The basketball schools are not thrilled with Tulane' and 'would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member.'

ECU finally gets a half-invite to a conference teetering on the brink and now it could easily be back in Conference USA for life; if they will take them back?

CBSSports.com has learned that there was interest from a rights-holder in televising Boise State's home games only, similar to Notre Dame. That's not to say Boise would go independent, but it is a sign that the football program alone has television value no matter where it ends up.

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That's interesting because BSU still doenst get the "big boys" to come play at BSU all that often (Oregon did a few years ago before they were actually this juggernaut of a team, the famous Blount punch/postgame meltdown). And BSU doesnt seem to have the "brand", so I'm curious how/why someone wants to televise their home games.

What a mess. If the BE does dissolve do Boise and SDSU go back to the MWC? Does ECU go back to C-USA even though they have already been replaced? Do the football schools form a new conference?

Would this mean L'ville and ND in the ACC next year?

I don't see the need to dissolve the conference unless the basketball schools think there is a way they can take the "Big East" brand name with them.

ncsuTRIcoach wrote: CBSSports.com has learned that there was interest from a rights-holder in televising Boise State's home games only, similar to Notre Dame. That's not to say Boise would go independent, but it is a sign that the football program alone has television value no matter where it ends up.

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That's interesting because BSU still doenst get the "big boys" to come play at BSU all that often (Oregon did a few years ago before they were actually this juggernaut of a team, the famous Blount punch/postgame meltdown). And BSU doesnt seem to have the "brand", so I'm curious how/why someone wants to televise their home games.

ECU used to get their games televised on WITN.  The real question is how much is someone willing to pay Boise for their home games.  My guess is not much.

Oh, well I assumed it meant on a national level, based on it was talking about the ND situation.  WITN 7 showing the random sat home game to eastern NC to me wouldnt warrant a national column to list it as getting it's game televised on Saturdays like ND does.   Which like your assessment, not really sure who/why BSU would get garnered to play on a national level.  If this is some local Idaho tv gig, fair enough, just wondering why it would merit getting mentioned in a national column. 

RedLight wrote:

ncsuTRIcoach wrote: CBSSports.com has learned that there was interest from a rights-holder in televising Boise State's home games only, similar to Notre Dame. That's not to say Boise would go independent, but it is a sign that the football program alone has television value no matter where it ends up.

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That's interesting because BSU still doenst get the "big boys" to come play at BSU all that often (Oregon did a few years ago before they were actually this juggernaut of a team, the famous Blount punch/postgame meltdown). And BSU doesnt seem to have the "brand", so I'm curious how/why someone wants to televise their home games.

ECU used to get their games televised on WITN.  The real question is how much is someone willing to pay Boise for their home games.  My guess is not much.

RedLight wrote: What a mess. If the BE does dissolve do Boise and SDSU go back to the MWC? Does ECU go back to C-USA even though they have already been replaced? Do the football schools form a new conference?

Would this mean L'ville and ND in the ACC next year?

I don't see the need to dissolve the conference unless the basketball schools think there is a way they can take the "Big East" brand name with them.

I would think that if the conference is dissolved, then no schools would be required to pay an exit fee.  That would be a good reason.  I hadn't thought of the "Big East" brand name, that would just be a bonus (maybe).

wolfpack91 wrote: A Big East source from a football-playing school told ESPN on Sunday, 'The basketball schools are not thrilled with Tulane' and 'would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member.'

ECU finally gets a half-invite to a conference teetering on the brink and now it could easily be back in Conference USA for life; if they will take them back?

ECU has always had this chip on their shoulder about being left out of any serious scheduling/expansion talks.  Turns out they have no one to blame but themselves.  The possibility of having their basketball program in the conference is the impetus for this coup.  Forever their fans and alumni have been tar-pirates.  support the football team, but come basketball season, they turn their back on their school and support unc.  When asked why  the answer is, "Because we aren't very good in basketball".  That level of support meant they have a pitiful basketballl program and now those chickens have come home to roost.

44magnum wrote:

bepackbeproud wrote:

crusherl wrote: Well if they take Duke too then it starts the UNC/UVA move to the B1G.

?? For the record Duke is Methodist.

And has a better football team than we do at the current moment.

thats funny! just because Duke finally made a bowl game certainly does not make them a superior team/program

"But multiple sources said the seven basketball-centric schools had had enough of the defections that had wreaked havoc on the league in the last couple of years."

Ironic this.  The C7 should look no further than themselves over the last 30+years for this cause.

Trout1 wrote: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports...vTg8twF80US3G6H

Oh my.

PiedmontPirate1 wrote: "But multiple sources said the seven basketball-centric schools had had enough of the defections that had wreaked havoc on the league in the last couple of years."

Ironic this.  The C7 should look no further than themselves over the last 30+years for this cause.

My favorite comment from one of the articles was this:

UConn president Susan Herbst has contacted officials from the non-FBS Big East members, pleading with them to stay in the league, sources told ESPN.

Ironically, Herbst, along with Cincinnati and South Florida officials, heavily lobbied to get out of the Big East and join the ACC when the league had to replace Maryland.

If the ACC does fall apart, this may be a good place for Duke and Wake to end up.

If the FBS version of the Big East can keep the football schools they have added, the league basically becomes somewhat of a version of the CUSA/Mt West merger that was discussed a few years ago, with some teams still in those old conferencers.

East teams:  UCONN, Cincy, South Florida, UCF, Temple, Navy, ECU

West teams:  Houston, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane, Mempis

Trout1 wrote: If the FBS version of the Big East can keep the football schools they have added, the league basically becomes somewhat of a version of the CUSA/Mt West merger that was discussed a few years ago, with some teams still in those old conferencers.

East teams:  UCONN, Cincy, South Florida, UCF, Temple, Navy, ECU

West teams:  Houston, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane, Mempis

So I wonder what happens in this scenario if the league does become "dissolved" -- what happens to the "Big East" name?  Do the breakaway Catholic schools keep it?  Can the reconstituted football version keep the name?  While it doesn't make sense given the western schools, there is brand recognition with the name that I would imagine they'll want to hold on to.  Regardless, as a football conference, they've done a good job of filling in the gaps and taking many of the best programs from the non-AQ conferences.

If the 7 leave, I think Boise State and SDSU both retreat back into the Mt West.

If the 7 leave, they would dissolve the "Big East" name and brand, forming a new conference.  The 7 would be able to take the NCAA tournament shares with them though, from what I understand.

Trout1 wrote: If the FBS version of the Big East can keep the football schools they have added, the league basically becomes somewhat of a version of the CUSA/Mt West merger that was discussed a few years ago, with some teams still in those old conferencers.

East teams:  UCONN, Cincy, South Florida, UCF, Temple, Navy, ECU

West teams:  Houston, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane, Mempis

I would be just fine with this 16-team [all sport] conference and divisional configuration:

East Division:  UCONN, Cincy, South Florida, UCF, Temple, Navy, ECU, Memphis

West Division:  Houston, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane, (add BYU, AF and Fresno St.)

Trout1 wrote: If the FBS version of the Big East can keep the football schools they have added, the league basically becomes somewhat of a version of the CUSA/Mt West merger that was discussed a few years ago, with some teams still in those old conferencers.

East teams:  UCONN, Cincy, South Florida, UCF, Temple, Navy, ECU

West teams:  Houston, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane, Mempis

Looking at that lineup, I wonder if Navy still remains for football only?

Boise and SD would go back into the Mt West.  They would need some Southwestern teams to go with Houston and SMU, but I'm not sure who would be available.

A 10 team league of the East being UCONN, USF, UCF, Temple and ECU and the West being Houston, SMU, Tulane, Memphis and Cincy?

PiedmontPirate1 wrote: 
I would be just fine with this 16-team [all sport] conference and divisional configuration:

East Division:  UCONN, Cincy, South Florida, UCF, Temple, Navy, ECU, Memphis

West Division:  Houston, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane, (add BYU, AF and Fresno St.)

I just dont see Boise, SDSU staying in this league (they go to Mt West), and if that happens, no way BYU, AF and Fresno join.

Trout1 wrote: If the 7 leave, I think Boise State and SDSU both retreat back into the Mt West.

If the 7 leave, they would dissolve the "Big East" name and brand, forming a new conference.  The 7 would be able to take the NCAA tournament shares with them though, from what I understand.

I think the basketball schools plan on taking the Big East name with them if the leave. Too much basketball history and brand recognition to just throw the name away.

Trout1 wrote: If the 7 leave, I think Boise State and SDSU both retreat back into the Mt West.

If the 7 leave, they would dissolve the "Big East" name and brand, forming a new conference.  The 7 would be able to take the NCAA tournament shares with them though, from what I understand.

From the NY Post article, it sounds like dissolving would allow the 7 to keep the Big East name.

"It was unknown if the seven schools, which together hold a majority vote, were going to dissolve the league. That would allow them to keep the name and its contract with The Garden, where it has held its postseason tournament since 1981.

packfan01 wrote:

Trout1 wrote: If the 7 leave, I think Boise State and SDSU both retreat back into the Mt West.

If the 7 leave, they would dissolve the "Big East" name and brand, forming a new conference.  The 7 would be able to take the NCAA tournament shares with them though, from what I understand.

From the NY Post article, it sounds like dissolving would allow the 7 to keep the Big East name.

"It was unknown if the seven schools, which together hold a majority vote, were going to dissolve the league. That would allow them to keep the name and its contract with The Garden, where it has held its postseason tournament since 1981.

You are correct.  Thanks

Trout1 wrote:

Trout1 wrote: If the FBS version of the Big East can keep the football schools they have added, the league basically becomes somewhat of a version of the CUSA/Mt West merger that was discussed a few years ago, with some teams still in those old conferencers.

East teams:  UCONN, Cincy, South Florida, UCF, Temple, Navy, ECU

West teams:  Houston, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane, Mempis

Looking at that lineup, I wonder if Navy still remains for football only?

Boise and SD would go back into the Mt West.  They would need some Southwestern teams to go with Houston and SMU, but I'm not sure who would be available.

A 10 team league of the East being UCONN, USF, UCF, Temple and ECU and the West being Houston, SMU, Tulane, Memphis and Cincy?

You can't have a 10-team league trout.  Not and have 2 divisions anyway w/o a waiver.  I suspect this group could find 2 from C-USA (Tulsa/Rice) to complete a 12-team league.

PiedmontPirate1 wrote:

Trout1 wrote:

Trout1 wrote: If the FBS version of the Big East can keep the football schools they have added, the league basically becomes somewhat of a version of the CUSA/Mt West merger that was discussed a few years ago, with some teams still in those old conferencers.

East teams:  UCONN, Cincy, South Florida, UCF, Temple, Navy, ECU

West teams:  Houston, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane, Mempis

Looking at that lineup, I wonder if Navy still remains for football only?

Boise and SD would go back into the Mt West.  They would need some Southwestern teams to go with Houston and SMU, but I'm not sure who would be available.

A 10 team league of the East being UCONN, USF, UCF, Temple and ECU and the West being Houston, SMU, Tulane, Memphis and Cincy?

You can't have a 10-team league trout.  Not and have 2 divisions anyway w/o a waiver.  I suspect this group could find 2 from C-USA (Tulsa/Rice) to complete a 12-team league.

Agree.  They would find 2 more

Trout1 wrote: If the FBS version of the Big East can keep the football schools they have added, the league basically becomes somewhat of a version of the CUSA/Mt West merger that was discussed a few years ago, with some teams still in those old conferencers.

East teams:  UCONN, Cincy, South Florida, UCF, Temple, Navy, ECU

West teams:  Houston, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane, Mempis

This is just Conference USA 2.0 with 8 former CUSA members. I see no advantage to Boise and San Diego State participating in this collection of second tier football. Why increase travel cost to play schools of the same quality as the Mountain West. Think CUSA will take these guys back and form a ultra CUSA? Navy just stays INDIE and Temple back to the MAC

Bet UConn and Cincy are begging the ACC for a bid now.(well, begging even harder than they already were)

stomv wrote: Of course, Boston College could finally drop their football program and join in on the fun.

There's really no need for them to build a super-conference in size.  They only need 8 for an automatic bid (I think!), and anything more than that just means more money and time for travel, not just for hoops for for all the non-revenue sports.

And frankly, I think it's a fabulous idea.  I also think it's why UConn is going to end up in the ACC or the B1G.

P.S. It's UConn.  Not UCONN, and not CONN.  Easy way to remember -- just think of the midget in the photo earlier, and include three of 'em.

It's also NCSU not NCST, yet only a few people not associated with State have that figured out.

dunlow66 wrote:

Trout1 wrote: If the FBS version of the Big East can keep the football schools they have added, the league basically becomes somewhat of a version of the CUSA/Mt West merger that was discussed a few years ago, with some teams still in those old conferencers.

East teams:  UCONN, Cincy, South Florida, UCF, Temple, Navy, ECU

West teams:  Houston, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane, Mempis

This is just Conference USA 2.0 with 8 former CUSA members. I see no advantage to Boise and San Diego State participating in this collection of second tier football. Why increase travel cost to play schools of the same quality as the Mountain West. Think CUSA will take these guys back and form a ultra CUSA? Navy just stays INDIE and Temple back to the MAC

Bet UConn and Cincy are begging the ACC for a bid now.(well, begging even harder than they already were)

Unlikely there would be a return to C-USA for anyone. Rather taking more from C-USA.

PiedmontPirate1 wrote:

dunlow66 wrote:

Trout1 wrote: If the FBS version of the Big East can keep the football schools they have added, the league basically becomes somewhat of a version of the CUSA/Mt West merger that was discussed a few years ago, with some teams still in those old conferencers.

East teams:  UCONN, Cincy, South Florida, UCF, Temple, Navy, ECU

West teams:  Houston, Boise State, San Diego State, SMU, Tulane, Mempis

This is just Conference USA 2.0 with 8 former CUSA members. I see no advantage to Boise and San Diego State participating in this collection of second tier football. Why increase travel cost to play schools of the same quality as the Mountain West. Think CUSA will take these guys back and form a ultra CUSA? Navy just stays INDIE and Temple back to the MAC

Bet UConn and Cincy are begging the ACC for a bid now.(well, begging even harder than they already were)

Unlikely there would be a return to C-USA for anyone. Rather taking more from C-USA.

Same results either way I guess. You will still end up with CUSA version 2, just a different name. This has to be killing UConn and Cincy supporters. I wonder if Cincy is on the phone as we speak with the ACC or Big 12?

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If the 7 leave, I think Boise State and SDSU both retreat back into the Mt West.

If the 7 leave, they would dissolve the "Big East" name and brand, forming a new conference.  The 7 would be able to take the NCAA tournament shares with them though, from what I understand.

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Not sure about them being able to take the current Big East NCAA tourney credits with them. At the moment that stands at over $100 million. What Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville and the others do this year will add to that. Reports indicate that the Big East may have some sort of orderly split agreement written into their conference contract. Could see the name going with the Catholic 7, don't see the other schools allowing them to take all the credits, however. Most likely those will revert back to the individual schools.

Wonder how Charlotte is going to fit in this?  They are currently in the Atl 10 for Basketball and were set to go to Conference USA in a couple years for football.

kona1 wrote: Wonder how Charlotte is going to fit in this?  They are currently in the Atl 10 for Basketball and were set to go to Conference USA in a couple years for football.

I could easily see them getting an accelerated bump up, conference affiliation wise. They're in the 24th TV market in the US, have an enrollment of over 25,000 students, and a relatively young alumni base (which is crucial to the growth of a fledgling football team). They could go from FCS to whatever the "new Big East" will be called (same conference as ECU) in as little as 5 years IMO.

PackBackMac wrote:

Planet Boulder wrote:

abcfan2005 wrote: Imagine being a UCONN fan right now.

I'd really rather not imagine being anything like this trash:

Is that a friggen midget???

Maybe a Hobbitt.  Can't tell if the feet are hairy