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Source: Seven schools agree to leave Big East
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:05 PM
Source: Seven schools agree to leave Big East
In what could be the first step towards the collapse of the Big East football/basketball structure, officials of the 7 non-football playing Big East basketball schools held a meeting in New York on Monday to discuss breaking off on their own. According to sources familiar with the talks, the conference included not only athletic directors, but Presidents as well. A time frame of six months was set up to make a decision whether to break off on their own or continue to stay within the frame work of a conference whose configuration has changed steadily over the last several months. That time frame may be predicated on the nature of a new television football/basketball contract the Big East is currently trying to put together. The group of 7 schools includes: Marquette, St. John’s, Providence, Georgetown, Villanova, DePaul and Seton Hall. Those schools are concerned about the defection of the core of the Big East basketball conference–Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville and Notre Dame as well as the expansion of the conference in football to 12 teams and the inclusion of schools such as Central Florida, Memphis, SMU, Houston and Temple in basketball.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:14 PM
RE: Big East Catholic schools breaking away?
Imagine being a UCONN fan right now.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:21 PM
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abcfan2005 wrote: Imagine being a UCONN fan right now. I'd really rather not imagine being anything like this trash: 
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:26 PM
RE: Big East Catholic schools breaking away?
Hopefully they will take BC with them
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:27 PM
RE: Big East Catholic schools breaking away?
Well if they take Duke too then it starts the UNC/UVA move to the B1G.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:36 PM
RE: Big East Catholic schools breaking away?
Probably take Xavier too. Maybe Butler? That'd be one heck of a conference.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:45 PM
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Planet Boulder wrote:
abcfan2005 wrote: Imagine being a UCONN fan right now. I'd really rather not imagine being anything like this trash:
Is that a friggen midget??? |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 12:00 AM
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abcfan2005 wrote: Probably take Xavier too. Maybe Butler? That'd be one heck of a conference. Yep. Look for them to raid some of the 16 team A10. That cold be one heck of a bball conference. |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 12:04 AM
RE: Big East Catholic schools breaking away?
I'm not sure I see what advantage those schools have by breaking out on their own.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 12:15 AM
RE: Big East Catholic schools breaking away?
They would have complete control of their conference. Wouldn't have to worry about traveling to SMU, Houston, Tulane, etc. Zhuge1 wrote: I'm not sure I see what advantage those schools have by breaking out on their own. |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 12:19 AM
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abcfan2005 wrote: They would have complete control of their conference. Wouldn't have to worry about traveling to SMU, Houston, Tulane, etc.
Zhuge1 wrote: I'm not sure I see what advantage those schools have by breaking out on their own. I wonder what their football payout is if anything. If it's little-nothing cutting the football schools loose and grabbing a few from the A-10 or somewhere and you've got a pretty good basketall conference and they can just ride the conf realighnment mess out. They arent going to be a part of the football superconferences anyway so why keep being drug into it. |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 2:26 AM
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asupackman wrote:
I wonder what their football payout is if anything. If it's little-nothing cutting the football schools loose and grabbing a few from the A-10 or somewhere and you've got a pretty good basketall conference and they can just ride the conf realighnment mess out. They arent going to be a part of the football superconferences anyway so why keep being drug into it. Yeah, I think that's exactly what they're thinking. The conference realignment stuff has really brought home to me that in this brave new world, basketball means nothing. I mean, CBS pays billions for the NCAA tournament, so you'd think MBB would matter, and yet a school like Kansas is an absolute afterthought in all this. |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 4:24 AM
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/87353 30/big-east-direction-concerns-conference-catholic -schools-sources-say
Best line of the article: The source added that "the basketball schools would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member and what that would have done to the basketball league."
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Posted: 12/11/2012 6:26 AM
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EastChapelHill04Class wrote: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/87353 30/big-east-direction-concerns-conference-catholic -schools-sources-say
Best line of the article: The source added that "the basketball schools would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member and what that would have done to the basketball league." I saw that. LOL!!!
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:01 AM
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makes sense....I mean the Big EAst was always a defective dysfunctional mess with lots of hoops only teams. Break away and form a hoops league and be done with it already. Or create two "big east " divisions....call one HoopsEast the other GridironEast or something.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:03 AM
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PackBackMac wrote:
Planet Boulder wrote:
abcfan2005 wrote: Imagine being a UCONN fan right now. I'd really rather not imagine being anything like this trash:
Is that a friggen midget??? LOLOLOLOLOL
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:05 AM
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crusherl wrote: Well if they take Duke too then it starts the UNC/UVA move to the B1G. ?? For the record Duke is Methodist. “I don’t have a reputation across all of men’s basketball of being difficult to work with I have a reputation of not getting along with Gary Williams" |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:29 AM
RE: Big East Catholic schools breaking away?
Makes sense to me, depending on how much money they receive from Big East Football TV contracts, which I would assume is nothing.
I've been wondering why the non-football playing members of the conference hadn't already done this. Every realignment move in the Big East has hurt the quality of basketball in the conference and this is the only sport these schools care about. As previous posters mentioned, they can raid some of the A-10 members and create a heck of an 8-10 team league with home and homes.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:42 AM
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I read defection as defecation. Seemed more appropriate that way.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:50 AM
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wlfpck4life wrote: Makes sense to me, depending on how much money they receive from Big East Football TV contracts, which I would assume is nothing.
I've been wondering why the non-football playing members of the conference hadn't already done this. Every realignment move in the Big East has hurt the quality of basketball in the conference and this is the only sport these schools care about. As previous posters mentioned, they can raid some of the A-10 members and create a heck of an 8-10 team league with home and homes. This. I think it's a great idea for them to do it. I doubt they get any football money, I don't see how they could--not fair to the football member teams to see some of their revenue got to schools that aren't pitching in. |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:50 AM
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bepackbeproud wrote:
crusherl wrote: Well if they take Duke too then it starts the UNC/UVA move to the B1G.
?? For the record Duke is Methodist. They're non-sectarian. Only former ties to Methodism. The Catholic schools are still run by the Catholic church.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:58 AM
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How viable can a basketball-only conference be these days?
It looks like ECU might be the last one in and the last one out of the Big East...
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:59 AM
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Marquette, St. John's, Providence, Georgetown, Villanova, DePaul, Seton Hall, Butler, Xavier, and Dayton would be a heck of a conference. Maybe trade Butler for St. Joe's, if you want to keep the Catholic thing going.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 9:08 AM
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Isnt this what the Big East was started for anyway. Basketball schools looking for a basketball conference. I knew as soon as ECU was in the mix, this was going to be discussed. Big East Football is dead anyway, Just Conference USA 2.0
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Posted: 12/11/2012 9:21 AM
RE: Big East Catholic schools breaking away?
Packsman wrote:
bepackbeproud wrote:
crusherl wrote: Well if they take Duke too then it starts the UNC/UVA move to the B1G.
?? For the record Duke is Methodist. They're non-sectarian. Only former ties to Methodism. The Catholic schools are still run by the Catholic church. And they'll actually be whatever K tells them to be. Since he's Catholic, he probably has the majority of them already believing they're Catholic too.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 9:28 AM
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EasternNCstyleBBQueWolf wrote:
Packsman wrote:
bepackbeproud wrote:
crusherl wrote: Well if they take Duke too then it starts the UNC/UVA move to the B1G.
?? For the record Duke is Methodist. They're non-sectarian. Only former ties to Methodism. The Catholic schools are still run by the Catholic church.
And they'll actually be whatever K tells them to be. Since he's Catholic, he probably has the majority of them already believing they're Catholic too. Not that there's anything wrong with that... |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 9:41 AM
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Big East splits their money between the members by percentage. Reportedly the split with the new TV contract will be 70/30 (football/basketball). So full members get 100%, football-only get 70% and non-football full members get 30% of the total TV revenue.
The A10 signed a new TV deal this year worth $5 million/year. That would be the starting point for a new non-football conference of those 7 schools plus A10 additions. Probably get a little more, not much, however. That is unless ESPN is somehow pulling the strings behind the scenes and rewards these schools for breaking away, which wouldn't surprise me.
Imagine these schools are trying to gain as many advantages as possible before they become the minority. They would be leaving significant revenue on the table, should they leave.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 9:48 AM
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Maybe the new trend will be for conferences to field separate slates of teams for separate sports. The ACC is leading the way with Notre Dame absent from its football competition for the league championship. Sign up Gonzaga for basketball only.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 9:51 AM
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OneManWolfpack44 wrote: Hopefully they will take BC with them We're not that lucky. _____________________________________________
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Posted: 12/11/2012 10:49 AM
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I like this idea and it makes a lot of sense to me. These private catholic schools don't play football so they SHOULD focus on the one sport that floats their boat - basketball. They also share a common mission and DNA that binds them together. There are several more Catholic schools like Xavier & St. Joes that should be added to this. I think the results would be a powerful and sucessful league that doesn't try to be something its not like the Big East. How refreshing it would be for a conference to be true to who and what it is. Simply call it the Catholic League, similar to the Ivy League.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 11:36 AM
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EastChapelHill04Class wrote: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/87353 30/big-east-direction-concerns-conference-catholic -schools-sources-say
Best line of the article: The source added that "the basketball schools would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member and what that would have done to the basketball league." I saw that. LOL!!! ecuslapinthefaceloller -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Posted: 12/11/2012 3:25 PM
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Events may move even more rapidly with this new proposal by the A10 http://espn.go.com/mens-colleg...nference-source______________________________________________
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Posted: 12/11/2012 3:54 PM
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PiedmontPirate1 wrote: Events may move even more rapidly with this new proposal by the A10
http://espn.go.com/mens-colleg...nference-source That article made entirely too much sense. Although I think a 21-team conference is a little too large. A 20 game conference schedule doesn't leave enough OOC games. |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 4:21 PM
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EasternNCstyleBBQueWolf wrote:
Packsman wrote:
bepackbeproud wrote:
crusherl wrote: Well if they take Duke too then it starts the UNC/UVA move to the B1G.
?? For the record Duke is Methodist. They're non-sectarian. Only former ties to Methodism. The Catholic schools are still run by the Catholic church.
And they'll actually be whatever K tells them to be. Since he's Catholic, he probably has the majority of them already believing they're Catholic too. Someone got it. |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 6:26 PM
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I said when the whole mess with Big East football started that the league would die trying to survive as a hodgepodge. Even after the first ACC raid, if the BE all sports schools had pulled out and started a real all-sports conference with full revenue sharing a la the ACC, it would have become a pretty good all sports league, even in basketball without all the Catholic schools. An all-sports conference consisting of Syracuse, UConn, West Virginia, Pitt, Louisville, Cincinnati, Rutgers, and USF would have been much more viable and healthy than what the BE became by trying to do revenue sharing on a mix and match basis. If they'd made that move while VaTech and Miami were still in it and implemented full sharing, who knows what might have happened when Swofford came calling?
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Posted: 12/11/2012 6:29 PM
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bepackbeproud wrote:
crusherl wrote: Well if they take Duke too then it starts the UNC/UVA move to the B1G.
?? For the record Duke is Methodist. And has a better football team than we do at the current moment. "I understand why they're doing this; they made a commitment to football, but I think we ought to quit doing football altogether," she said. "We're no good at it." --Sue Estroff, Professor of Social Medicine, University of North Carolina.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 7:12 PM
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As a Georgetown fan I have been hoping for this very thing since the dismantling of the Big East. My Catholic conference...
Georgetown
Providence
Seton Hall
St Johns
Villanova
Depaul
Marquette
Dayton
Xavier
Creighton
St Joes
Temple
Saint Louis
??? (14th to round it out. Gonzaga? A bit too far. Probably a small school like Siena, Fordham, etc.)
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:16 PM
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I heard them say on ESPN, that LaSalle's gym is on the 3rd floor of a building. WTF?
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:35 PM
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Is it a Catholic Conference if not all the schools are Catholic? athundergatti wrote: As a Georgetown fan I have been hoping for this very thing since the dismantling of the Big East. My Catholic conference...
Georgetown
Providence
Seton Hall
St Johns
Villanova
Depaul
Marquette
Dayton
Xavier
Creighton
St Joes
Temple
Saint Louis
??? (14th to round it out. Gonzaga? A bit too far. Probably a small school like Siena, Fordham, etc.) |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:36 PM
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backthepack93 wrote:
PiedmontPirate1 wrote: Events may move even more rapidly with this new proposal by the A10
http://espn.go.com/mens-colleg...nference-source That article made entirely too much sense. Although I think a 21-team conference is a little too large. A 20 game conference schedule doesn't leave enough OOC games. Could also do it as three seven-team divisions: West--DePaul, Marquette, Butler, Xavier, Dayton, Duquesne, St. Louis South--Richmond, VCU, Georgetown, GW, Villanova, St. Joe's, La Salle North--St. Bonaventure, Fordham, St. John's, Seton Hall, Providence, UMass, URI Play your own twice, 3 away to one division, 3 hosting another for 18 games. Take top 16 for tournament. Sorta like a football league schedule for basketball.
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