ChemE96 wrote: Postseason counts also.

Staples' and Redick's numbers are insane.  I realize they played 4 years, but good grief!!!  Think about the number of attempts to get to those levels.

Red-dick also had 4 dook players setting moving screens for him on every play and three referees who were more than happy to call a foul on anyone within 5 feet of him.  He chucked up everything he saw, and some of them went in, and he was a good shooter, but he would not have been anything special without all the preferential treatment and rear-kissing by the officials.

Clifford Crawford shut him down.

well, until being removed from the game.

TheInnerLight wrote:

ChemE96 wrote: Postseason counts also.

Staples' and Redick's numbers are insane.  I realize they played 4 years, but good grief!!!  Think about the number of attempts to get to those levels.

Red-dick also had 4 dook players setting moving screens for him on every play and three referees who were more than happy to call a foul on anyone within 5 feet of him.  He chucked up everything he saw, and some of them went in, and he was a good shooter, but he would not have been anything special without all the preferential treatment and rear-kissing by the officials.

Um, yeah, which is why he still averages over 30 minutes and 15 points a night for an NBA franchise, and has more or less done so for 6 years now.  They give him preferential treatment as well, apparently.

Reddick was (is) a great peremeter shooter. Whatever else you feel about him, he was deadly from the arc.

ADS95 wrote:

TheInnerLight wrote:

ChemE96 wrote: Postseason counts also.

Staples' and Redick's numbers are insane.  I realize they played 4 years, but good grief!!!  Think about the number of attempts to get to those levels.

Red-dick also had 4 dook players setting moving screens for him on every play and three referees who were more than happy to call a foul on anyone within 5 feet of him.  He chucked up everything he saw, and some of them went in, and he was a good shooter, but he would not have been anything special without all the preferential treatment and rear-kissing by the officials.

Um, yeah, which is why he still averages over 30 minutes and 15 points a night for an NBA franchise, and has more or less done so for 6 years now.  They give him preferential treatment as well, apparently.

You would expect someone who hit 457 3-pointers in college (without preferential treatment) to dominate in the NBA and be a perennial All-Star, like Tim Duncan or Reggie Miller.  You would not expect him to only be a good role player.  I'm not saying he wasn't a good shooter and that he didn't improve in the NBA, but I challenge you to watch an old dook game and tell me he didn't get preferential treatment.

If you figure that maybe he would have averaged 1 less 3-pointer per game without preferential treatment, take away 130+ 3-pointers and that puts him right around 320 or so.  That's a great number, but nowhere near 457.

Okay, I'm done.  You can go back to chewing on Red-dick's jock strap, that is if you are done with Carlos Boozer's.

SupplyChainPack wrote: Haven't read the thread - so this was probably already covered - but has Wood played in a lot more games than Monroe?

Wood is good, but he's not even close to what Monroe did - not even close. Maybe Monroe didn't do as much as an underclassman as I thought - but he was a scoring machine by his last two seasons.

Don't see how Wood is even close...

In Monroe's 4 year career he shot 885-1936 overall for 2551 points, that includes 322-739 from 3 point range.  Wood on the other hand has shot 413-982 overall for 1336 points, including 302-736 from 3 point range.  No disrespect to Wood who is a great shooter but Monroe was a great all around player who could score from anywhere on the court.  If the defense played him soft he would hit jumpers, if they played him tight he would drive and score.  He could do it all from catch & shoot to beating his man off the dribble.  He could even catch and hit intentional missed free throws for game winning shots :)
What I cannot remember is if Monroe got to benefit from a short 3 point line? Seems like one year in the 80s the line was really close but I cannot remember when?  It seems like the line moved around a couple years in a row and even one year it was only used in league play & not in non-conference games.  That all may have happened before Monroe though?

scot wood has no line

TheInnerLight wrote:

ADS95 wrote:

TheInnerLight wrote:

ChemE96 wrote: Postseason counts also.

Staples' and Redick's numbers are insane.  I realize they played 4 years, but good grief!!!  Think about the number of attempts to get to those levels.

Red-dick also had 4 dook players setting moving screens for him on every play and three referees who were more than happy to call a foul on anyone within 5 feet of him.  He chucked up everything he saw, and some of them went in, and he was a good shooter, but he would not have been anything special without all the preferential treatment and rear-kissing by the officials.

Um, yeah, which is why he still averages over 30 minutes and 15 points a night for an NBA franchise, and has more or less done so for 6 years now.  They give him preferential treatment as well, apparently.

You would expect someone who hit 457 3-pointers in college (without preferential treatment) to dominate in the NBA and be a perennial All-Star, like Tim Duncan or Reggie Miller.  You would not expect him to only be a good role player.  I'm not saying he wasn't a good shooter and that he didn't improve in the NBA, but I challenge you to watch an old dook game and tell me he didn't get preferential treatment.

If you figure that maybe he would have averaged 1 less 3-pointer per game without preferential treatment, take away 130+ 3-pointers and that puts him right around 320 or so.  That's a great number, but nowhere near 457.

Okay, I'm done.  You can go back to chewing on Red-dick's jock strap, that is if you are done with Carlos Boozer's.

Is this the inverse Harrison Barnes stat?  You know if he made one more shot per game...

I mean come on dude, you sound petty, bitter and slightly delusional.  JJ is having a much better NBA career than I would have thought so I give him credit for working on his game.  Sorry just because he leads the ACC in 3 pointers doesn't mean he is/was supposed to be a perennial All Star, thats an absurd conclusion to reach.  Hell look at the NBA careers of those guys on that list...how many perennial all stars do you see?

Nobody should compare Rodney, the complete player, to Wood.  It should be painfully obvious to everyone that Rodney was more than just a spot shooter.

This thread is about 3-point shooting records only.

TheInnerLight wrote:

ADS95 wrote:

TheInnerLight wrote:

ChemE96 wrote: Postseason counts also.

Staples' and Redick's numbers are insane.  I realize they played 4 years, but good grief!!!  Think about the number of attempts to get to those levels.

Red-dick also had 4 dook players setting moving screens for him on every play and three referees who were more than happy to call a foul on anyone within 5 feet of him.  He chucked up everything he saw, and some of them went in, and he was a good shooter, but he would not have been anything special without all the preferential treatment and rear-kissing by the officials.

Um, yeah, which is why he still averages over 30 minutes and 15 points a night for an NBA franchise, and has more or less done so for 6 years now.  They give him preferential treatment as well, apparently.

You would expect someone who hit 457 3-pointers in college (without preferential treatment) to dominate in the NBA and be a perennial All-Star, like Tim Duncan or Reggie Miller.  You would not expect him to only be a good role player.  I'm not saying he wasn't a good shooter and that he didn't improve in the NBA, but I challenge you to watch an old dook game and tell me he didn't get preferential treatment.

If you figure that maybe he would have averaged 1 less 3-pointer per game without preferential treatment, take away 130+ 3-pointers and that puts him right around 320 or so.  That's a great number, but nowhere near 457.

Okay, I'm done.  You can go back to chewing on Red-dick's jock strap, that is if you are done with Carlos Boozer's.

I know some Maryland fans said they ****** JJ's sister......maybe JJ ****** this guys sister, and mom???

Monroe did not get the benefit of the real short line.  That was just ACC rules for one year in 1983.  He did have the 19'9" line, but his first year was the second year the 3 point shot was used in college basketball.  It was not focused on as much as it is now.

Rodney was a great all around scorer and he had maybe the best point guard ever passing him the ball, so he got a lot of open opportunites and went to the line a whole lot more than Scott has.  Different players in different eras and Rodney played on much better teams his whole time at State.  Both are/were great shooters.

There have been many in the ACC that I have seen.  Bob Verga, Tate Armstrong, and Reddick at Duke, Barry Parkhill, Jeff Lamp Wally Walker, and Staples at Virginia, Greg Manning, Brian Magid, and Ernest Graham at Maryland(Graham usually saved his best for N. C. State) Al Wood and Brad Hoffman at UNC, Mark Price and Dennis Scott at GT, Gannon, Thompson, Monroe, Carr, Kenny Matthews and Wood at State, Randolph Childress, Jerry Schnellenberger, and Skip Brown at Wake, John Roche was a good shooter and there are many more I am not even including, but there have always been some deadly long range shooters in the ACC

platypack wrote:

SupplyChainPack wrote: Haven't read the thread - so this was probably already covered - but has Wood played in a lot more games than Monroe?

Wood is good, but he's not even close to what Monroe did - not even close. Maybe Monroe didn't do as much as an underclassman as I thought - but he was a scoring machine by his last two seasons.

Don't see how Wood is even close...

In Monroe's 4 year career he shot 885-1936 overall for 2551 points, that includes 322-739 from 3 point range.  Wood on the other hand has shot 413-982 overall for 1336 points, including 302-736 from 3 point range.  No disrespect to Wood who is a great shooter but Monroe was a great all around player who could score from anywhere on the court.  If the defense played him soft he would hit jumpers, if they played him tight he would drive and score.  He could do it all from catch & shoot to beating his man off the dribble.  He could even catch and hit intentional missed free throws for game winning shots :)
What I cannot remember is if Monroe got to benefit from a short 3 point line? Seems like one year in the 80s the line was really close but I cannot remember when?  It seems like the line moved around a couple years in a row and even one year it was only used in league play & not in non-conference games.  That all may have happened before Monroe though?

That is right it was at the RBC center and thanks for the correction.  Did not matter he was throwing them in from everywhere.

wolfpackernc wrote:

DrummerboyWolf wrote: Oh I agree and as I said, it wouldn't make a lot of difference to any of these guys.  I seem to remember J. J. hitting them from the ACC logo in Greensboro.  Herb told Scooter to get on him and Scooter said "Coach he is shooting from the logo."  It went down something like that.

Actually, that was a home game for us.  I was there.  And yes, he was shooting from the RBC logo.    Even I wasn't mad at Scooter - who the hell guards someone close 30 feet from the basket?

BigBlind wrote:

TheInnerLight wrote:

ADS95 wrote:

TheInnerLight wrote:

ChemE96 wrote: Postseason counts also.

Staples' and Redick's numbers are insane.  I realize they played 4 years, but good grief!!!  Think about the number of attempts to get to those levels.

Red-dick also had 4 dook players setting moving screens for him on every play and three referees who were more than happy to call a foul on anyone within 5 feet of him.  He chucked up everything he saw, and some of them went in, and he was a good shooter, but he would not have been anything special without all the preferential treatment and rear-kissing by the officials.

Um, yeah, which is why he still averages over 30 minutes and 15 points a night for an NBA franchise, and has more or less done so for 6 years now.  They give him preferential treatment as well, apparently.

You would expect someone who hit 457 3-pointers in college (without preferential treatment) to dominate in the NBA and be a perennial All-Star, like Tim Duncan or Reggie Miller.  You would not expect him to only be a good role player.  I'm not saying he wasn't a good shooter and that he didn't improve in the NBA, but I challenge you to watch an old dook game and tell me he didn't get preferential treatment.

If you figure that maybe he would have averaged 1 less 3-pointer per game without preferential treatment, take away 130+ 3-pointers and that puts him right around 320 or so.  That's a great number, but nowhere near 457.

Okay, I'm done.  You can go back to chewing on Red-dick's jock strap, that is if you are done with Carlos Boozer's.

Is this the inverse Harrison Barnes stat?  You know if he made one more shot per game...

I mean come on dude, you sound petty, bitter and slightly delusional.  JJ is having a much better NBA career than I would have thought so I give him credit for working on his game.  Sorry just because he leads the ACC in 3 pointers doesn't mean he is/was supposed to be a perennial All Star, thats an absurd conclusion to reach.  Hell look at the NBA careers of those guys on that list...how many perennial all stars do you see?

No, it's just you that figures. Please see my sig line.....

I didn't hear this until today, but Scott Wood was Co ACC-Player of the Week with P. J. Hairston

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m.../021813aaa.html

5 vs unc-ch
307 career

2nd place behind Monroe @ NC State, Monroe had 322
15 to tie

9th place in ACC

8. Williams 313
7. Grey WF 319
6. Monroe 322
5. Childress, WF 329
4. Langdon 342
3. Scott, GT 351
2. Staples, Virginia 413
1. Reddick 457

Scott's been a good player for us. Going to finish high up there with some ACC legends on the 3pt list.

Yeah, Wood, may be going down as our best 3 point shooter, and Howell having an outside shot of becoming our 2nd best rebounder. It's been a delight to watch these seniors, and the improvement they have made. Ironically, both of those guys played very well yesterday. Showed senior leadership, unfortunately the rest of the team didn't respond as well. We're going to miss both of these guys next year, and I wish the best for both of them.

wolfer79 wrote: 5 vs unc-ch
307 career

2nd place behind Monroe @ NC State, Monroe had 322
15 to tie

9th place in ACC

8. Williams 313
7. Grey WF 319
6. Monroe 322
5. Childress, WF 329
4. Langdon 342
3. Scott, GT 351
2. Staples, Virginia 413
1. Reddick 457

two things, one, surprised to not see John Scheyer up there, thought he made more than that.

and number two, nice company in the top 5 for Wood where he'll likely finish. Reddick (ugh) and Staples could stroke it, growing up I hate Staples man, UVA always kept a shooter back then, felt like Staples was at UVA for like 15 years.

Absolutely and that is one reason I will be at the Wake Forest game to give these two a great send off.  Both of these guys got a lot out of their limited abilities and have become very good players. 

goturbackpack66 wrote: Yeah, Wood, may be going down as our best 3 point shooter, and Howell having an outside shot of becoming our 2nd best rebounder. It's been a delight to watch these seniors, and the improvement they have made. Ironically, both of those guys played very well yesterday. Showed senior leadership, unfortunately the rest of the team didn't respond as well. We're going to miss both of these guys next year, and I wish the best for both of them.

Wood has been playing incredible ball for the past 1/2 dozen games.  His defense has been solid (never going to be great) and he really has been working hard to get open then hitting his shot when he gets the chance.

I have been saying it for two years.  Wood should average 9-10 threes a game.

JEddieHeel16 wrote:

wolfer79 wrote: 5 vs unc-ch
307 career

2nd place behind Monroe @ NC State, Monroe had 322
15 to tie

9th place in ACC

8. Williams 313
7. Grey WF 319
6. Monroe 322
5. Childress, WF 329
4. Langdon 342
3. Scott, GT 351
2. Staples, Virginia 413
1. Reddick 457

two things, one, surprised to not see John Scheyer up there, thought he made more than that.

and number two, nice company in the top 5 for Wood where he'll likely finish. Reddick (ugh) and Staples could stroke it, growing up I hate Staples man, UVA always kept a shooter back then, felt like Staples was at UVA for like 15 years.

Scheyer did have a lot.  I think Wood passed him a few weeks back...he is in the 12-15 range IIRC

Say you have Monroe and Wood both on your roster... who would you design a play for to take a last second shot?  It's a no-brainer for me, but I'm sure some will disagree.

On Sr day, I would like to see a game plan that is targeted toward getting Scott 30 shots.

theTHRILL wrote: Say you have Monroe and Wood both on your roster... who would you design a play for to take a last second shot?  It's a no-brainer for me, but I'm sure some will disagree.

What exactly does that have to do with anything?

jds0881 wrote:

theTHRILL wrote: Say you have Monroe and Wood both on your roster... who would you design a play for to take a last second shot?  It's a no-brainer for me, but I'm sure some will disagree.

What exactly does that have to do with anything?

Sorry... I forgot that all discussions on this board were of utmost importance.  Just as you, it seems, forgot that you're not required to comment on items that you find unimportant.

ADS95 wrote:

TheInnerLight wrote:

ChemE96 wrote: Postseason counts also.

Staples' and Redick's numbers are insane.  I realize they played 4 years, but good grief!!!  Think about the number of attempts to get to those levels.

Red-dick also had 4 dook players setting moving screens for him on every play and three referees who were more than happy to call a foul on anyone within 5 feet of him.  He chucked up everything he saw, and some of them went in, and he was a good shooter, but he would not have been anything special without all the preferential treatment and rear-kissing by the officials.

Um, yeah, which is why he still averages over 30 minutes and 15 points a night for an NBA franchise, and has more or less done so for 6 years now.  They give him preferential treatment as well, apparently.

This is awesome for every reason why it's 100% absurd. That kid was a sick shooter, give your animosity a rest already, it must be tiring.

theTHRILL wrote:

jds0881 wrote:

theTHRILL wrote: Say you have Monroe and Wood both on your roster... who would you design a play for to take a last second shot?  It's a no-brainer for me, but I'm sure some will disagree.

What exactly does that have to do with anything?

Sorry... I forgot that all discussions on this board were of utmost importance.  Just as you, it seems, forgot that you're not required to comment on items that you find unimportant.

Just trying to find the relevance to Wood creeping up on Monroe's record for three's.  Were we talking about the amount of shots they made to win games.

jds0881 wrote: I have been saying it for two years.  Wood should average 9-10 threes a game.

Good lord!  I mean, Duke jacks up 3's like they are going out of style, and Scott still has 17 more attempts this year than Curry does...while shooting roughly the same %.  He leads the ACC in attempts and 3's made....and this is while, generally speaking, being chased all over the court all game by one of the other team's best defenders.

ADS95 wrote:

TheInnerLight wrote:

ChemE96 wrote: Postseason counts also.

Staples' and Redick's numbers are insane.  I realize they played 4 years, but good grief!!!  Think about the number of attempts to get to those levels.

Red-dick also had 4 dook players setting moving screens for him on every play and three referees who were more than happy to call a foul on anyone within 5 feet of him.  He chucked up everything he saw, and some of them went in, and he was a good shooter, but he would not have been anything special without all the preferential treatment and rear-kissing by the officials.

Um, yeah, which is why he still averages over 30 minutes and 15 points a night for an NBA franchise, and has more or less done so for 6 years now.  They give him preferential treatment as well, apparently.

I believe this is the 1st season he has averaged 30 min and 15 points.

JEddieHeel16 wrote:

wolfer79 wrote: 5 vs unc-ch
307 career

2nd place behind Monroe @ NC State, Monroe had 322
15 to tie

9th place in ACC

8. Williams 313
7. Grey WF 319
6. Monroe 322
5. Childress, WF 329
4. Langdon 342
3. Scott, GT 351
2. Staples, Virginia 413
1. Reddick 457

two things, one, surprised to not see John Scheyer up there, thought he made more than that.

Scheyer has 297 3point baskets

grantwolf wrote:

jds0881 wrote: I have been saying it for two years.  Wood should average 9-10 threes a game.

Good lord!  I mean, Duke jacks up 3's like they are going out of style, and Scott still has 17 more attempts this year than Curry does...while shooting roughly the same %.  He leads the ACC in attempts and 3's made....and this is while, generally speaking, being chased all over the court all game by one of the other team's best defenders.

Curry is also splitting Duke's 3 point attempts with about 3 other really good shooters, while Scott takes (guessing off the top of my head) about 90% of our 3 point attempts because he is the only legit 3 point threat we have. I have no problem with Scott taking more shots. Any shot that comes off of his hands is a good shot.

wolfpack821 wrote:
while Scott takes (guessing off the top of my head) about 90% of our 3 point attempts because he is the only legit 3 point threat we have.

Wood has attempted 175 3-point shots
the team has attempted 351 3-point shots
Wood has 49.86% of attempts

Wood has made 77 3-point shots
team has made 141 3-point shots
Wood has made 54.61% of 3-point shots

Wood is shooting 44% on 3-point shots
team 40.2%

team without Wood is hitting 36.36% of 3-point shots

stats

Who is Grey from WF?  I don't remember that name.

Thanks,

^Justin Grey?  I'm surprised he is up there, I don't remember him being known as a 3 point shooter

Great names listed above Drummerboy, going way back. We've been fortunate to watch Wood these last 4 years. Big gap between he and "Nasty O" Monroe time wise. Hope we get another long range bomber in soon.

wolfpack821 wrote:

grantwolf wrote:

jds0881 wrote: I have been saying it for two years.  Wood should average 9-10 threes a game.

Good lord!  I mean, Duke jacks up 3's like they are going out of style, and Scott still has 17 more attempts this year than Curry does...while shooting roughly the same %.  He leads the ACC in attempts and 3's made....and this is while, generally speaking, being chased all over the court all game by one of the other team's best defenders.

Curry is also splitting Duke's 3 point attempts with about 3 other really good shooters, while Scott takes (guessing off the top of my head) about 90% of our 3 point attempts because he is the only legit 3 point threat we have. I have no problem with Scott taking more shots. Any shot that comes off of his hands is a good shot.

...and you don't see how him being our only legitimate outside threat makes it difficult to get him unlimited outside shots in a game?

blpack90 wrote: Great names listed above Drummerboy, going way back. We've been fortunate to watch Wood these last 4 years. Big gap between he and "Nasty O" Monroe time wise. Hope we get another long range bomber in soon.

My take - the combination of Purvis, Warren, Barber, and Turner won't be bad.  It looks to be a lot more evenly-spread going forward, that's for sure.  No single deadly threat, however 4 guys who can all legitimately hit.  For that matter Lewis has shown he can hit some, so really 5.  None of these guys can be left wide open, at any rate.

WolfStock wrote:

blpack90 wrote: Great names listed above Drummerboy, going way back. We've been fortunate to watch Wood these last 4 years. Big gap between he and "Nasty O" Monroe time wise. Hope we get another long range bomber in soon.

My take - the combination of Purvis, Warren, Barber, and Turner won't be bad.  It looks to be a lot more evenly-spread going forward, that's for sure.  No single deadly threat, however 4 guys who can all legitimately hit.  For that matter Lewis has shown he can hit some, so really 5.  None of these guys can be left wide open, at any rate.

I don't know about Turner or Barber yet, but neither Purvis or Warren will be the caliber of shooter Scott Wood is.  T. J. probably will end up hitting a very high percentage of his shots, but IMO he is never going to consistently shoot and make a lot of threes like Scott or Rodney did.  That is just not his game.  I am pretty sure that Barber is more of a slasher than a great shooter, but we shall see.

grantwolf wrote:

wolfpack821 wrote:

grantwolf wrote:

jds0881 wrote: I have been saying it for two years.  Wood should average 9-10 threes a game.

Good lord!  I mean, Duke jacks up 3's like they are going out of style, and Scott still has 17 more attempts this year than Curry does...while shooting roughly the same %.  He leads the ACC in attempts and 3's made....and this is while, generally speaking, being chased all over the court all game by one of the other team's best defenders.

Curry is also splitting Duke's 3 point attempts with about 3 other really good shooters, while Scott takes (guessing off the top of my head) about 90% of our 3 point attempts because he is the only legit 3 point threat we have. I have no problem with Scott taking more shots. Any shot that comes off of his hands is a good shot.

...and you don't see how him being our only legitimate outside threat makes it difficult to get him unlimited outside shots in a game?

Sorry I misunderstood your first post. I thought you were saying Wood doesn't need to shoot anymore than he does.