boomerwolf wrote: Teams like UConn, Duke, and Stanford lost. That doesn't help

adamant wrote: After Saturday 2/16/2013 games :

RPI #22
Sagarin #26
Pomeroy #43

None of those rating systems liked our OT win over a bottom feeder Vatech!

GO PACK!!! BEAT FSU!!!!

adamant wrote: True for RPI - but Pomeroy definitely takes into account MOV - and that is why we slipped to the 40's on that chart.

GO PACK!!!! BEAT FSU!!!!

WOLFDAC wrote:

adamant wrote: True for RPI - but Pomeroy definitely takes into account MOV - and that is why we slipped to the 40's on that chart.

GO PACK!!!! BEAT FSU!!!!

.....and the selection committe puts the least amount of weight on the Pomeroy.

grantwolf wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote:

adamant wrote: True for RPI - but Pomeroy definitely takes into account MOV - and that is why we slipped to the 40's on that chart.

GO PACK!!!! BEAT FSU!!!!

.....and the selection committe puts the least amount of weight on the Pomeroy.

I've never even heard the Pomeroy ratings mentioned by the selection committee.

boomerwolf wrote: On the CBS college basketball podcast last week, they had onJerry Palm (their brackets guy) who has done one of the mock selection things that the NCAA does with the press. He said that officially look only at rpi and not kenpom or sagar in, or bpi or whatever. They are allowed to look at whatever they want but the only official number is rpi.

SexualChocolate wrote: Does the selection committee seed more based on RPI?

adamant wrote: dancecard now updated through Sunday's games (2-17-2013) :

ACC teams IN (top 50) :

#1 Duke
#6 Miami
#26 NCSU
#39 UNC-CHeat
#48 UVA

teams OUT :

#52 MD (note #54 is ASU :))
#61 FSU (they really need a top 50 win - we need to deny them that - twice - in the next few games)
#102 GaTech
#107 Clemson (soooo glad we swept them - if barely)
#141 Wake Forest (our worst loss - and hopefully will stay our worst loss)
#146 BC
#158 Vatech (whewwwww!)

GO PACK!!! BEAT FSU!!!!!

grantwolf wrote: UNC is good (much better than earlier in the season), and is no longer a bubble team IMHO.  UVA has work to do to make it in.

RedLight wrote:

grantwolf wrote: UNC is good (much better than earlier in the season), and is no longer a bubble team IMHO.  UVA has work to do to make it in.

And yet they still have only one top 50 RPI win - UNLV at home.  UNC has made a living off beating the average to bad teams on their schedule.  (Something State could learn a thing or two about.)  UNC has lost to every good team they have played and been blown out of most of those games.

RedLight wrote:

grantwolf wrote: UNC is good (much better than earlier in the season), and is no longer a bubble team IMHO.  UVA has work to do to make it in.

And yet they still have only one top 50 RPI win - UNLV at home.  UNC has made a living off beating the average to bad teams on their schedule.  (Something State could learn a thing or two about.)  UNC has lost to every good team they have played and been blown out of most of those games.

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

RedLight wrote:

grantwolf wrote: UNC is good (much better than earlier in the season), and is no longer a bubble team IMHO.  UVA has work to do to make it in.

And yet they still have only one top 50 RPI win - UNLV at home.  UNC has made a living off beating the average to bad teams on their schedule.  (Something State could learn a thing or two about.)  UNC has lost to every good team they have played and been blown out of most of those games.

Exactly. They have 4 wins against RPI top 100.

They may get in, but if we beat them Saturday, they need to win out to be sure of getting a bid. They still have games at clemson and maryland along with fsu and dook in hell.

They're a bubble team until they prove otherwise. They almost have to beat us, or dook to get an at-large.

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote: ^Maybe they beat us, maybe they don't.

They're a weak team, and if we come to play we'll stomp them.

If we don't, we'll get an L, and possibly a bad one.

They are as one-dimensional as it gets. If they nail 37%> 3s they can beat a lot of teams, if they jack up a bunch and flail like last night, the only thing that saves them is they play GT, or a team that masquerades as GT.

adamant wrote:  Fix the ft's - stop turning the ball over (more of Lewis/Brown at the same time might help) and keep fighting - we will be a tough out in the postseason.

48wolfpacker wrote:

adamant wrote:  Fix the ft's - stop turning the ball over (more of Lewis/Brown at the same time might help) and keep fighting - we will be a tough out in the postseason.

That's been the rally cry all season. What makes you think it will happen when 27 games in it hasn't?

hmm - let's see - we are 8-6 in the ACC (not a losing record and 4 winnable games left) - we have not generally turned the ball over that much  - some games yes - other games we have not.

We have shot well from the floor most of the season - but still hit cold spells - we have played well in terms of getting to the free throw line - some games we hit them - some we don't (at least 2 or 3 losses JUST from missing free throws at a rate that is below our average for the season).

In short (too late!) we have not done "one wrong thing" all season - we have had good games in every aspect - and bad games in all aspects - mostly we have some good things and some bad things and mostly we have won or come very close (only a few double digit losses).

We don't have to fix everything all at once - just emphasize the things we have done well most of the season while working on things we have had trouble with (but even free throws and turnovers have been good in some games - not bad all year long).

We are not so far away from exactly where we need to be - gelling and coming together just in time for a big NCAA run (and hopefully for a late season surge to get 4th or better seeding in the ACCT and a run in that as well).

GO PACK!!! BEAT BC!!!!

All of our important goals are still in reach - winning the ACC and making it deep into the NCAA's.

adamant wrote:

48wolfpacker wrote:

adamant wrote:  Fix the ft's - stop turning the ball over (more of Lewis/Brown at the same time might help) and keep fighting - we will be a tough out in the postseason.

That's been the rally cry all season. What makes you think it will happen when 27 games in it hasn't?

hmm - let's see - we are 8-6 in the ACC (not a losing record and 4 winnable games left) - we have not generally turned the ball over that much  - some games yes - other games we have not.

We have shot well from the floor most of the season - but still hit cold spells - we have played well in terms of getting to the free throw line - some games we hit them - some we don't (at least 2 or 3 losses JUST from missing free throws at a rate that is below our average for the season).

In short (too late!) we have not done "one wrong thing" all season - we have had good games in every aspect - and bad games in all aspects - mostly we have some good things and some bad things and mostly we have won or come very close (only a few double digit losses).

We don't have to fix everything all at once - just emphasize the things we have done well most of the season while working on things we have had trouble with (but even free throws and turnovers have been good in some games - not bad all year long).

We are not so far away from exactly where we need to be - gelling and coming together just in time for a big NCAA run (and hopefully for a late season surge to get 4th or better seeding in the ACCT and a run in that as well).

GO PACK!!! BEAT BC!!!!

All of our important goals are still in reach - winning the ACC and making it deep into the NCAA's.

48wolfpacker wrote:

adamant wrote:

48wolfpacker wrote:

adamant wrote:  Fix the ft's - stop turning the ball over (more of Lewis/Brown at the same time might help) and keep fighting - we will be a tough out in the postseason.

That's been the rally cry all season. What makes you think it will happen when 27 games in it hasn't?

hmm - let's see - we are 8-6 in the ACC (not a losing record and 4 winnable games left) - we have not generally turned the ball over that much  - some games yes - other games we have not.

We have shot well from the floor most of the season - but still hit cold spells - we have played well in terms of getting to the free throw line - some games we hit them - some we don't (at least 2 or 3 losses JUST from missing free throws at a rate that is below our average for the season).

In short (too late!) we have not done "one wrong thing" all season - we have had good games in every aspect - and bad games in all aspects - mostly we have some good things and some bad things and mostly we have won or come very close (only a few double digit losses).

We don't have to fix everything all at once - just emphasize the things we have done well most of the season while working on things we have had trouble with (but even free throws and turnovers have been good in some games - not bad all year long).

We are not so far away from exactly where we need to be - gelling and coming together just in time for a big NCAA run (and hopefully for a late season surge to get 4th or better seeding in the ACCT and a run in that as well).

GO PACK!!! BEAT BC!!!!

All of our important goals are still in reach - winning the ACC and making it deep into the NCAA's.

Everyone's goal is still within reach until they lose in the ACCT.

That's correct. However the reach of any team that has to start the ACCT on Thursday is not going to be very long. We have come closest to doing that 4 games in 4 days deal - and both times came up tired in the final.

We really need to get into the top 4 if we have a good shot at winning the ACC this year.

And we can still do it. Starting with BC at home.

GO PACK!!!